Byzantium's Twilight [Concluded]

[GeneralHankerchief]

Constantinople, May 1453

So, this was it, then. The city, *the* city, Nova Roma, Constantine's City, the very last stronghold of the classical world and all it represented, was going to fall. This wasn't exactly unprecedented news; after all, the city had been under siege dozens of times in its existence, and it had even fallen once before, in 1204, to the might of the horribly misguided Venetian Crusaders. But that was different. That time was an aberration, a shock, an error in history that was remedied only half a century. This one was definite. It had a horrible air of finality around it. The city's defenders were not facing a band of greedy Venetians this time around. No, this time the foe was an incredible force of 80,000 Ottomans, ready to take the city and remake it in the mold of the man who led them on: Sultan Mehmed II, 21 years old and with a singleminded ambition to become the next Caesar.

This army was very large and very motivated. They were also very well-supplied. When the final assault came, there would be three waves of attackers: The irregulars, to wear the defenders down, the Anatolians, to clear a path, and then the feared Janissaries, to finish the defenders off once and for all. They had built a massive fort the past year, Rumeli Hisar, aptly-named the Throat Cutter, to cut the city off from much needed supply. They had a large navy and were prepared to take control of the city's harbor, the legendary Golden Horn. And they had cannons, cannons which would reduce the city's famed double walls to dust in no time at all.

And yet, for all this, the Sultan was still uncertain of victory. The defenders were hardy, they were fighting for far more than just ground, after all. They were fighting for their homes, their last city, the final remnant of a once-glorious civilization that stretched arguably all the way back to 753 BC with a fratricide. They were led by a very capable man in the Genoan, Giustiniani. And there was always the hope of a miracle, a hope of help from the West.

The Sultan did not want to risk anything going wrong with the capture of his prized city, the Red Apple. After all, failure would be catastrophic. Ottoman politics being what they were, a defeat could spell the abrupt end of his short reign. No, he needed to increase his odds. He had the brute force department all wrapped up, but it wouldn't hurt to throw in a little subterfuge as well. After all, those walls *were* large, and that cannon *did* take a while to reload between shots.

Why waste thousands of men trying to scramble up and capture a tough position when you can just walk right in through the gate?

The Sultan figured it was time to activate his deep-cover agents currently operating inside the city. Two of them were working with a group of soldiers who, according to intelligence reports, had the keys to one of the city's most important gates. Using his discreet communication method, he sent the agents their newest orders: Kill the soldiers, get the keys, open the gate.

With the gate fallen, the city would be wide open, ready for its new ruler at least.

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Introduction and Rules:

"Byzantium's Twilight" is, as you might guess, set during the Fall of Constantinople in 1453, more specifically the Ottoman siege that preceded the fall. Not coincidentally, I'm also writing about this exact topic for my undergraduate thesis, which is currently due in... three months oh God help me it's too soon and will be a good way for me to keep interest with the topic and, hopefully, share my enthusiasm for it with the rest of you.

This is a vanilla mafia game that -

"GH, you're hosting a Large vanilla mafia game and it's not part of the Mafia series? What gives?"

...as I was saying, this is a vanilla mafia game that has two mafiosi who know each other's identities and are not allowed to kill each other at night. These mafiosi will take the form of Ottoman deep cover agents. The rest of the players, none of whom will have special abilities, are the town/Byzantine soldiers.

There is a wrinkle or two whose exact form will take shape based on the amount of players we get. This will have to do with the number of kills per night and whether it's a consistent two per night until the end, switches from two to one at a predetermined phase, or whether it switches from two to one if/when the town is successful at lynching one of the two Ottoman deep cover agents.

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Please post to sign up. In addition, I am debating on whether or not to include anonymous accounts for this game. Please state your preference, if you have one, when signing up.

Thanks for your interest and let's have a great game! :yes:

Signed up: (27)
Subotan
Zack
Montmorency
Arjos
The King
Captain Blackadder
LazyMcCrow
Ishmael
Double A
scottishranger
Chaotix
Askthepizzaguy
classical_hero
Visorslash
landlubber
God Emperor
edse
atheotes
Cjreynol
DaveShack
Diamondeye
autolycus
issaikhaan
Riedquat
BSmith
Csargo
rickinator9

[Subotan]

In it to win it or bin it.

EDIT: No preference

[Zack]

Anonymous accounts for the win!

[Montmorency]

In.

None.

[Arjos]

Eis ten Polin!

And I like the anonymous accounts for the sake of it :P

[Montmorency]

^^^ So you want to be Mafia? :stare:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

This is too good to be true.. Of course I'm IN!

[Captain Blackadder]

In please

[LazyMcCrow]

In please. Anonymous accounts = no preference... Sorry :)

[Ishmael]

I always feel vaguely guilty for stealing people's places in small games, but I don't have to worry so much with large ones. In!

EDIT: As to the anonymous accounts, I quite like the novelty of them, so I'm in favour of their use.

[Double A]

Can I be Steam?

[scottishranger]

Innnyy

[Chaotix]

In. Liking the setup. Vanilla games with a theme keep things interesting without getting too complicated.

[Askthepizzaguy]

ANONYMOUS ACCOUNTAGE FOR THE EPIC WIN

Vote: Anonymous version of Askthepizzaguy

But you can't find me, so the vote is invalid, mwahahaa!!!

[classical_hero]

Constantinople. Anonymous accounts please.

[Visor]

Yeah. No preference.

[landlubber]

Never played a game with anonymous accounts. It would probably be pretty cool.
Oh, and I'm in, of course.

[God Emperor]

In :)

Edit: as for cover accounts, I am a little unsure of why you are considering it.. If it is just a standard vanilla game, then I don't see the point in using other accounts

[edse]

In :)

Edit: as for cover accounts, I am a little unsure of why you are considering it.. If it is just a standard vanilla game, then I don't see the point in using other accounts

So that Pizza isn't killed first round.

In.

[Zack]

Killing an innocent Pizza in a vanilla game is silly, because then everyone knows the Pizzaman is innocent and will listen to what he says. If you leave him alive, people get suspicious and start saying things like, "Why in the name of Hulk Hogan is Pizzaman still alive? He must be scum!"

[atheotes]

In :bow:

[Cjreynol]

I am in, and think anonymous accounts would be a good idea

[DaveShack]

In, not sure how anonymous accounts would work.

[Diamondeye]

Evvet.

Also, no anonymity, please.

[autolycus]

In. I support anonymous accounts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

How many more do ya need, GH? I can scare up some hoodlums.

[seireikhaan]

:charge:

[Riedquat]

Can I get in please?

[GeneralHankerchief]

How many more do ya need, GH? I can scare up some hoodlums.

Around 30 total would be good. :yes:

[BSmith]

I'll be in.

EDIT: Not sure how the mechanics of anonymous accounts would work, so I guess I have no preference. :inquisitive:

[Csargo]

I'm in.

[GeneralHankerchief]

EDIT: Not sure how the mechanics of anonymous accounts would work, so I guess I have no preference. :inquisitive:

In regards to the anonymous accounts feature, basically, for the duration of the game your account is connected with a pre-made "Mafia" account that masks your identity. It takes roughly 0.5 seconds to switch back and forth between accounts and reduces the metagame, for better or for worse. [Mafia] Vincent is an example.

I think we'll give signups one more day before starting. :yes:

[rickinator9]

I'm in

[GeneralHankerchief]

All right everyone, thanks for your interest. I've put in a request to the Tech Admins for the anonymous accounts and hopefully we'll start sometime tomorrow. :bow:

[Sigurd]

I will be mapping anonymous accounts to your profiles. The accounts have been distributed with the help of random.org

[GeneralHankerchief]

Thanks to Sigurd for getting these set up. :bow:

If you've never used an anonymous account before, or need a refresher course, then TinCow has provided a handy primer:



The Anonymous account system has been improved to make it easier to use. All in-use Anonymous accounts are now automatically linked to the profiles of the players to whom they are assigned. Changing between accounts now takes only a single click and does not require logging out, logging in, or entering passwords. To switch accounts, simply use the Quick Account Switch dropdown menu on the navbar at the top of the forum:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/qswitch.jpg

Clicking the name of the Anonymous account will instantly switch you over to using that account. While in the Anonymous account, the Quick Account Switch dropdown menu will change to display your real account, and another single click will return you to it.

You should all be connected with an anonymous account. Please notify my if this is not the case. I will now randomly determine the two mafiosi and we'll begin shortly. :yes:

[Ishmael]

Thanks guys! I love anonymous accounts, I don't know why - I think it's the novelty of them. That and the only other time I've used them (The Thing mafia) was a great game as well.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Constantinople, 1453
Day 1

The Captain of the Guard was distraught. He didn't need this. Not this. There was already enough on his plate to deal with, from the extreme lack of sleep his detail was working on, to the constant threat of cannonfire, to the citizenry ready to explode at any minute. However, the evidence was undeniable. He had done a routine inspection of his detail's HQ and found things. Scraps of paper written in Turkish, in code. Fine material that the city was unfamiliar with ever since it had fallen on hard times.

He sighed. This could only mean one thing. Ottoman spies were in his camp.

The Captain was beginning to doubt himself. This unit, the people that consisted of it, had been through enough. He had personally admitted each man and vouched for their integrity. All of them were loyal Byzantines who were ready to fight to the end. So he thought, anyway. How had he thought wrong? How could he have done such a poor job of vetting his men?

His confidence, already battered by weeks of Ottoman bombardment, was now all but gone. Normally, as Captain, he would deal with the matter himself, but not after he had already failed so terribly. This was the men's lives at stake, after all. He would put them to the task. They would weed out the Ottomans among themselves and save the day.

And if they failed? Well, the Sultan would receive the keys to the gate, the city would fall, and the rest of them would be dead anyway.


The game has now begun! We will start with a day phase, which will end in 24 hours. Please vote for who you think should be lynched.

Regarding the anonymous accounts: You must solely post with them while still alive in the game. Your identity will be revealed upon death, at which point you can post under your normal accounts.

In addition, due to the amount of players, the number of kills will decrease to one upon the lynching of one Ottoman agent. However, this does not preclude the Ottomans from switching to one kill earlier to disguise their numbers.

Best of luck to all!

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Still alive: (27)
Luigi
Furio
Scarface
Angelo
Tony
Anne
Silvio
Giuseppe
Little Leo
Paulie
Vincent
Fredo
Fat Tony
Vinny
Mickey
Bugsy
Fingers
Claudia
Maria
Emilio
Chickenman
Junior
Big George
Bertha
Vito
Richie
Sonny

Player list:
Subotan
Zack
Montmorency
Arjos
The King
Captain Blackadder
LazyMcCrow
Ishmael
Double A
scottishranger
Chaotix
Askthepizzaguy
classical_hero
Visorslash
landlubber
God Emperor
edse
atheotes
Cjreynol
DaveShack
Diamondeye
autolycus
issaikhaan
Riedquat
BSmith
Csargo
rickinator9

[[MAFIA] Mickey]

Well at least I'm not Bertha :D. No role PM means I'm a townie, right?

(Sips his wine)

And would we be able to have a list of the anonymous accounts being used? I assume we vote for them and not the players.

[Montmorency]

An island in the sea of Islam. Catch me if you can, chumps!

[[MAFIA] Silvio]

So Monty is scum. XD

[[MAFIA] Tony]

:idea2:

vote: Montmorency

[[MAFIA] Emilio]

Monty, dear friend, what is your Mafia name so that we could lynch you properly? ~;)

[[MAFIA] Giuseppe]

I look cool in my picture.

[[MAFIA] Mickey]

Good old Montmorency, pulling a Reenk. I have a feeling you'll eventually betray yourself through your posting style though.

[[MAFIA] Richie]

Vote: Montmorency :creep:

[GeneralHankerchief]

And would we be able to have a list of the anonymous accounts being used? I assume we vote for them and not the players.

Good call, updated.

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

Vote: Fat Tony

Gluttony is a sin!

[[MAFIA] Mickey]

vote: Bertha :smug:

It's pretty much a death sentence to be given Bertha, and I really shouldn't be propagating this, but I can't help myself!

[[MAFIA] Furio]

Dude, I love the new anonymous account system. So much more efficient than the old one. Props to Sigurd.

Anyway, Vote: Luigi

[[MAFIA] Silvio]

Vote: Chickenman

Sounds like a codename. :P

[[MAFIA] Tony]

unvote, vote: Big George. He scares me. :sweatdrop:

[[MAFIA] Chickenman]

Vote: Scarface

I never really liked that movie :no:

[[MAFIA] Richie]

Unvote; Vote: Fingers

You perv!

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Richie;2053414732']Unvote; Vote: Fingers

You perv!

Oh do grow up.

Also, vote: Richie

[[MAFIA] Junior]

I wonder what my picture looks like?

EDIT: not badd....

[[MAFIA] Bertha]

Mickey;2053414724']vote: Bertha :smug:

It's pretty much a death sentence to be given Bertha, and I really shouldn't be propagating this, but I can't help myself!

Vote: Mickey

(and have a sharp slap on the wrist for meta-gaming)

[[MAFIA] Claudia]

vote: Bertha

Stay away from my menfolk!

[[MAFIA] Vinny]

If anyone dares to call me Vinny, it will be the end of them. My name is Vincenzo and don't forget that.

vote:Bertha

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

Vinny;2053414784']If anyone dares to call me Vinny, it will be the end of them. My name is Vincenzo and don't forget that.

vote:Bertha
Wait, what'd you say, Vinny?

[GeneralHankerchief]

With all of these Italian names I should have made the setting be one of the Genoese battalions in the city. :laugh4:

[[MAFIA] Little Leo]

vote: Fat Tony I should be the only one who is allowed to have a space in his name,

[[MAFIA] Big George]

I'll have to Vote: Little Leo , what's this about wanting to corner the names with spaces market? :inquisitive:

[[MAFIA] Vito]

Vote: Mickey

There is nothing wrong with Bertha capisce I like my women big.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Vote: Tony because

[[MAFIA] Junior]

Vote: Big George

We little people stick together!

[[MAFIA] Scarface]

Vote: Junior

Everyone's gotta stick together. Not just the mafia little people.

[[MAFIA] Paulie]

Vote:abstain

[[MAFIA] Fat Tony]

Little Leo;2053414796']vote: Fat Tony I should be the only one who is allowed to have a space in his name,

Vote: Little Leo We are not the only ones with a space in the name. Your reasoning is desperate. You must be scum.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Vote: Paulie

[[MAFIA] Luigi]

Vote: Paulie

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Vote: Paulie

[[MAFIA] Scarface]

Unvote: Junior
Vote: Paulie

Death to abstainers. No holding back.

[[MAFIA] Bertha]

4
Paulie: Angelo, Luigi, Maria, Scarface

3
Bertha: Mickey, Claudia, Vinny

2
Fat Tony: Bugsy, Little Leo
Little Leo: Big George, Fat Tony

1
Mickey: Bertha, Vito
Big George: Tony, Junior
Luigi: Furio
Chickenman: Silvio
Scarface: Chickenman
Fingers: Richie
Tony: Anne

ABSTAIN:
Paulie

Seems like you get in a whole lot of trouble round here for sitting on the fence (or for carrying a coupe of extra pounds)

[[MAFIA] Emilio]

Vote: Big George

Don't be a bully! Leave the little one alone!

[[MAFIA] Fredo]

Vote: Luigi, because I don't like that series

PS: The guy on my avatar looks like a perv

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Constantinople, 1453
Day 1

A grim mood descended over the camp when the Captain of the Guard relayed everyone the news. Of course, the standard questions came. Yes, this was actually happening. Yes, he was sure about it. Yes, there were two Ottoman agents. Yes, it had to come to this, otherwise they'd kill everyone, steal the gate key, and most likely the Sultan's entire 80,000-strong force would come charging through unopposed come morning.

After grudgingly accepting this new, harsh reality, the guards got to work. It was a sign of their confusion and their previous mutual trust in each other that the votes were thrown around in literally a dozen different directions. A full twelve people out of the 27-guard detachment received votes, none of them getting more than four. Obviously, with such a spread vote, the margin would be razor-thin.

Near the end of the day, the guard Paulie started receiving flack for essentially refusing to vote. "I still refuse to believe this is happening. We're dealing with enough as it is. I have worked closely with every single man in this band of soldiers. I know their worth. They are all, to a man, loyal Byzantine soldiers who would die for their Basileus (and probably will, too)! I protest this entire operation as it is just a pointless loss of life. What happens when the Ottomans finally do come storming up the walls and we almost hold them back, but there's just a dozen or two not enough of us. What happens then, huh? I vote abstain!"

Silence greeted this. Sure, every guard had been thinking of this exact scenario. But their Captain had said they had to do this, and they trusted their Captain. Finally, the silence was broken when somebody softly spoke up. "And what happens if we listen to you and the Captain turns out to be correct?" The answer, of course, was implied. Irregulars. Anatolians. Janissaries, all of them coming, and the outcome wouldn't even be in doubt. It would be a slaughter to the very maximum degree. And they all knew it.

Following this silent, simultaneous line of thought, four guards lined up to vote for Paulie, also known as Csargo, and that was enough to carry the day. As the Captain of the Guard prepared to execute him, only a few of the men could look. Paulie, for his part, was just disgusted. "I hope to God you're right," he told his Captain right before the man's sword met his neck.

As it would turn out the following night, the Captain was indeed right.

It is now Night 1! This phase will last until Saturday, January 21st at 19:00 GMT-5.

Day 1 tally:

Paulie: 4 (Angelo, Luigi, Maria, Scarface) :skull:
Bertha: 3 (Mickey, Claudia, Vinny)
Big George: 3 (Tony, Junior, Emilio)
Fat Tony: 2 (Bugsy, Little Leo)
Luigi: 2 (Furio, Fredo)
Mickey: 2 (Bertha, Vito)
Little Leo: 2 (Big George, Fat Tony)
Chickenman: 1 (Silvio)
Scarface: 1 (Chickenman)
Fingers: 1 (Richie)
Richie: 1 (Fingers)
Tony: 1 (Anne)

Abstained: 2 (Paulie, Giuseppe)
Didn't vote: 2 (Vincent, Sonny)

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Still alive: (26)
Luigi
Furio
Scarface
Angelo
Tony
Anne
Silvio
Giuseppe
Little Leo
Vincent
Fredo
Fat Tony
Vinny
Mickey
Bugsy
Fingers
Claudia
Maria
Emilio
Chickenman
Junior
Big George
Bertha
Vito
Richie
Sonny

Executed:
Paulie (Csargo)

Player list:
Subotan
Zack
Montmorency
Arjos
The King
Captain Blackadder
LazyMcCrow
Ishmael
Double A
scottishranger
Chaotix
Askthepizzaguy
classical_hero
Visorslash
landlubber
God Emperor
edse
atheotes
Cjreynol
DaveShack
Diamondeye
autolycus
issaikhaan
Riedquat
BSmith
Csargo
rickinator9

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

No! We killed the Strawberry!

[[MAFIA] Fredo]

Wouldn't it be best if we voted on GeneralHankerchief? He's the one who is dressed as an easterner.

[[MAFIA] Silvio]

but he's the captain. :P

[[MAFIA] Emilio]

Silvio;2053415225']but he's the captain. :P

And Captain is always guilty right!

[Csargo]

Wow, lynched in the first round. I don't think I've ever experienced this before. It doesn't feel good though.

[[MAFIA] Giuseppe]

It's okay. Have a moving bread hat. ~:pat:

[[MAFIA] Vito]

There there, there there.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Sorry for the delay, I got distracted last night. :sweatdrop: Writeup coming.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Constantinople, 1453
Night 1

The guard known as Chickenman was out on patrol tonight. The overworked guards had to deal with both the constant threat of the Ottomans coming over the horizon as well as the usual disturbances from inside the actual city itself. Though the population had mostly remained quiet ever since the siege began, bracing themselves for the inevitable, there were still some crimes being committed. The bulk of it was theft. Supplies were beginning to run low. Some people would do whatever they could to obtain for themselves or their families that extra bit of food, or those small luxuries that were previously taken for granted but now hard to live without. The guards were more sympathetic than usual for these instances of theft, but still protected against them nonetheless. The lack of order would mean a total societal breakdown in the city's walls, and if that was the case then it wouldn't have mattered if the Ottomans took the place anyway.

Chickenman made his rounds, looking for any signs of disturbances. What he saw was emptiness. There were no sign of human life in this section of the city. Constantinople had been repeatedly depopulated for the past few centuries, beginning with the sack of the city in 1204 and continuing with the Byzantine reconquest and then decades of economic hardship. At present, the city's population of a fraction of its capacity.

The result of this was a lot of ruined, empty buildings. Many of them had been demolished to make room for fields in which to grow crops (the farming on the outside having been increasingly unreliable since the Ottoman incursions into Europe began), but several deserted sections remained. Chickenman didn't particularly enjoy going through these parts of the city. The utter emptiness frightened him. There were ghosts in these sections of the city, ghosts of glories past. They resented Constantinople's decline. They silently clamored for a return to the days of Constantine, Justinian, even Alexius Komnenus. They clamored, and Chickenman heard them. And he could do nothing about it. He was only a mere soldier, not a great Emperor.

It was a cloudy night, and there were no shadows. Chickenman sensed the ghosts out tonight even more than usual. He focused his concentration primarily on completing his rounds as quickly as possible and not checking for disturbances. In any case, it wouldn't have mattered. The assassin by the second-floor window of one of the ruined buildings was absolutely quiet and still, and chances were high that even a fully alert guard would have spotted him. Chickenman had no chance. He walked right by the window and didn't even notice the large rock that was about to crush his head until it was far too late.

On the walls of the city, Vincent had watch duty. He hated watch duty. Every night he had drawn this nothing had happened. When others in the guard outfit had gotten watch duty, the Ottomans had made a probing strike that needed defending. Or sometimes the watcher was called to give the all-clear for Byzantine sortie attempts. Vincent, though, got none of that. Every night for 6 hours he stared out to the west and watched thousands of campfires burn off in the distance with no real signs of movement. Oh sure, on occasion a cannon would fire, damaging some section of the walls and waking everybody up, but there was nothing to justify his vigilance.

As a result, Vincent grew bored. His vision started to wander. He looked off to the side and then to the city behind him, looking up at the sky and down at the wall section beneath his feet. By chance, he caught the sight of something glistening. There was some foreign liquid that coated a very small section of this wall. Vincent bent down to take a closer look. Some sort of oil, probably. Whatever it was, it was fresh.

The oil's presence was mildly interesting, but it was of no matter. It wasn't going anywhere. Vincent made a mental note to watch his step around this section of the walls and stared back out at the Ottomans in the distance.

All of a sudden, Vincent felt a sharp tug around his leg area. He had half a second to look down and see that someone below had latched a grappling hook to it - incredible aim, just his luck - and was now pulling as hard as he could. Vincent could feel his weight shifting. He knew his best chance was to grab on to the inner edge of the wall, hang on for dear life, and then scream for help. He felt himself going down, he knew he only had one chance at this...

...his hands gripped the section of the edge that had the oil poured over it. It was too slippery to get a good grip. Vincent fell to his death, screaming.

The next day, the Captain of the Guard gathered his unit around the camp. Upon taking the roll call, he swore in disgust. Two of his men - Chickenman, better known as Cjreynol, and Vincent, also known as Subotan - were missing. Subotan's body was quickly discovered at the foot of the walls.

"Well then," said the Captain, "I'd say that this has a very low chance at being a coincidence. There are still two Ottoman deep cover agents out there, men. We need to find them."

It is now Day 2! Voting will conclude Monday, January 23rd, at 17:00 GMT-5.

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Still alive: (24)
Luigi
Furio
Scarface
Angelo
Tony
Anne
Silvio
Giuseppe
Little Leo
Fredo
Fat Tony
Vinny
Mickey
Bugsy
Fingers
Claudia
Maria
Emilio
Junior
Big George
Bertha
Vito
Richie
Sonny

Killed:
Chickenman (Cjreynol)
Vincent (Subotan)

Executed:
Paulie (Csargo)

Player list:
Subotan
Zack
Montmorency
Arjos
The King
Captain Blackadder
LazyMcCrow
Ishmael
Double A
scottishranger
Chaotix
Askthepizzaguy
classical_hero
Visorslash
landlubber
God Emperor
edse
atheotes
Cjreynol
DaveShack
Diamondeye
autolycus
issaikhaan
Riedquat
BSmith
Csargo
rickinator9

[[MAFIA] Fredo]

Vote: Silvio because he got his country into the eurocrisis.

[[MAFIA] Silvio]

Ah, Fredo, you break my heart. XD

I was only along for the ride! :P

Vote: Sonny for lurking.

[[MAFIA] Richie]

Vote: Fredo

How could you not love the bunga bungas? :laugh4:

[[MAFIA] Vito]

Vote:Scarface

Last one on the wagon of Csargo when it was a close run thing.

[[MAFIA] Little Leo]

vote:Richie Only the wealthy can afford to use oil so wantonly.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Vote: Abstain

:wink:

[[MAFIA] Scarface]

Vote: Maria

No Abstaining! :stare:

[[MAFIA] Maria]

:laugh4:

[[MAFIA] Furio]

Vote: Scarface

[[MAFIA] Fat Tony]

Vote: Maria Did you not vote Paulie for abstaining?

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Fat Tony;2053416070']Vote: Maria Did you not vote Paulie for abstaining?

I sure did. And you seem awfully anxious to make me pay for the hypocrisy.

Now answer me this: Do you truly believe you're voting for a mafioso right now, mister Potato Head? Because if so, there's nothing but starch between your ears.

[[MAFIA] Mickey]

vote: Fat Tony for ignoring the fact that Maria is obviously joking/not being serious. Trying a bit too hard to sound like a helpful townie there?

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Vote: Fat Tony

[[MAFIA] Fat Tony]

Did you think i did not notice the "wink" or the following 2 comments? :rolleyes:

I just dont like the sudden slew of votes that resulted in the lynch.

[[MAFIA] Bertha]

vote: Guiseppe

[[MAFIA] Luigi]

Vote: Richie , Seems like a good idea to put a few people in line for a lynch

[Subotan]

;_;

[[MAFIA] Vinny]

Scarface;2053416057']Vote: Maria

No Abstaining! :stare:

Scar Face does speak wisely.

vote:Maria

[[MAFIA] Tony]

Fredo;2053415920']Vote: Silvio because he got his country into the eurocrisis.

vote: Fredo, what is this eurocrisis you talk about and how did a mere soldier get his country into it? vote: Fredo

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Vote: Vinny.

[[MAFIA] Giuseppe]

Vinny;2053416159']Scar Face does speak wisely.

vote:Maria

The wink and the laugh should have tipped you off that Maria was just having some fun. Also, bandwagoning.
Vote: Vinny.

[[MAFIA] Vinny]

Giuseppe;2053416197']The wink and the laugh should have tipped you off that Maria was just having some fun. Also, bandwagoning.
Vote: Vinny.

What laugh, I did not see her laugh?

Plus she voted for Paulie who also abstained in the first day an is now dead because of her actions. I think because of those actions she is a no good dirty liar. And no good dirty liars do not belong with us.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Maria;2053416058']:laugh4:


Maria;2053416056']Vote: Abstain

:wink:


Vinny;2053416208']What laugh, I did not see her laugh?

Look again!

Vote: abstain? :laugh4:

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Better yet, unvote: abstain; vote: Tony for... double-voting...



Tony;2053416175']vote: Fredo, what is this eurocrisis you talk about and how did a mere soldier get his country into it? vote: Fredo

[[MAFIA] Furio]

Maria;2053416075']I sure did. And you seem awfully anxious to make me pay for the hypocrisy.

Now answer me this: Do you truly believe you're voting for a mafioso right now, mister Potato Head? Because if so, there's nothing but starch between your ears.


Hi, ATPG.

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Furio;2053416270']Hi, ATPG.

Glad I'm not the only one who caught that :2thumbsup:

[[MAFIA] Sonny]

Vote: scarface

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

We have a tie vote between Scarface and Maria. For those of you unfamiliar with how I resolve ties, all votes are thrown out and you may only vote for Scarface or Maria. Voting will end in 24 hours.

Day 2 tally:
Scarface: 3 (Vito, Furio, Sonny)
Maria: 3 (Scarface, Fat Tony, Vinny)

Fredo: 2 (Richie, Tony)
Richie: 2 (Little Leo, Luigi)
Fat Tony: 2 (Mickey, Angelo)
Vinny: 2 (Fingers, Giuseppe)
Silvio: 1 (Fredo)
Sonny: 1 (Silvio)
Giuseppe: 1 (Bertha)
Tony: 1 (Maria)

Didn't vote: 6 (Anne, Bugsy, Claudia, Emilio, Junior, Big George)

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Vote: Maria

Obviously a mafioso. I mean, look at how anti-town she's being.

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Vote: Scarface on grounds of not being Maria.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

I agree with Fingers Vote: Scarface

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

Vote: Scarface

Bugsy would never harm a woman.

[[MAFIA] Fredo]

Vote scarface for not being a woman

[[MAFIA] Claudia]

I think Maria is right. We should all vote: Maria.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

While we're wasting our time deciding between two townies for this lynch, let me ask you folks a question:

Any of the Maria voters seem particularly guilty to you? I tend to think of the mafia as being much more competent than townies due to the heightened sense of awareness and attention to detail, plus they have teammates who can correct them on their possible missteps. They might even consult with each other before making a move.

I didn't see anything particularly striking from those folks as being aware of subtlety. Some of them seemed downright oblivious to what was going on, which is the mark of a townie, albeit not a very useful one.

I was hoping for a larger sample size, usually that sort of behavior is like throwing rocks at a wasp nest, but I don't think I got any nibbles from the mafia.

You guys like my Askthepizzaguy impression? He's usually verbose and self-absorbed and leaves these silly gaps between his thoughts. Learn how to write entire paragraphs, man.

Anyone actually seem guilty this past round?

[[MAFIA] Richie]

Vote: Scarface

But I demand a "Say hello to my little friend!" scene in the write-up :clown:

[GeneralHankerchief]

Richie;2053416342']But I demand a "Say hello to my little friend!" scene in the write-up :clown:

Feel free to demand as much as your heart desires. It won't change the fact that I'm staying strictly in-universe with these writeups. :laugh4:

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Vinny;2053416208']What laugh, I did not see her laugh?

Plus she voted for Paulie who also abstained in the first day an is now dead because of her actions. I think because of those actions she is a no good dirty liar. And no good dirty liars do not belong with us.

Observe Vinny.

Saying he didn't see me laugh is probably a true statement. He probably didn't read past the post where I abstained, he just went into "that's not pro-town!" mode and immediately voted for me. Then, after placing the vote, went searching around for more reasons to justify it. Vote first, find reasons later. Usually the scum don't bother with the reasoning or think of it ahead of time so they don't look foolish.


Vinny;2053416159']Scar Face does speak wisely.

vote:Maria

See, here he seems totally oblivious to the back and forth between Fat Tony and Mickey, which helps the poor townies out by pointing out what I was doing, for people too out of it to realize. Sort of a big warning sign: "WARNING! BOOBY TRAP AHEAD! Do not fall for booby-trap"

And Vinny walked right into it. It already made Fat Tony look bad, and gave him votes. How much you want to bet that Vinny-as-mafia would steer clear of such an obvious trap? Do the mafia REALLY want to gain votes and attention on themselves right now for thoughtless voting that is purely reactionary and involves no critical thinking? I don't think so. More care is not only called for but usually applied.

I think Vinny smells fresh, even though the line about dirty liars not belonging with us seems hammy and overdone. One might falsely conclude that Vinny is just a mafioso who is trying too hard to justify a bad vote, but really, townies do that too. He's probably clean.


Scarface;2053416057']Vote: Maria

No Abstaining! :stare:

Scarface.

Well, policy-lynching Mafia for abstaining would make more sense in the first round. After all, I did vote someone who abstained in the first round and so did others. How much do you want to bet the mafia just go ahead and stick their thumb in the eye of the town after that lynch, and dare everyone in the game to vote for them? So I don't see that much thought going into this vote.

What else do I see about Scarface? Well no further comment since this vote, and not much of an effort was made to spare his life. This tie could easily have been a different one; a three-way tie could have been made no sweat. I think Scarface is one of those one-post, one-vote per round types who simply didn't log in again after this thoughtless vote. That could be mafia as well, but I doubt it. Time will tell on that one, or it would, except Scarface is going to be lynched today.

Meh.


Fat Tony;2053416070']Vote: Maria Did you not vote Paulie for abstaining?

Fat Tony seems to be more aware of the situation, but still not fully grasping the nuance. Seems like a townie who is attempting to pay attention and is just having a bad day.


Fat Tony;2053416080']Did you think i did not notice the "wink" or the following 2 comments? :rolleyes:

I just dont like the sudden slew of votes that resulted in the lynch.

If Fat Tony were mafia, this post would read something like "You are being a distraction and you're not even trying to find the mafia. As such, you're useless or guilty. Why doesn't anyone else see that?" Etc.

The above post actually reads like a townie's thinking process. Yesterday I joined the no-reason wagon on Csargo for abstaining. Now, person on Csargo wagon who didn't justify his/her vote yesterday is doing jack today, therefore I vote that person, maybe they're mafia.

It's bad, but it sounds genuine to me. Just happens to be wrong is all. If Fat Tony were mafia, he would defend his vote for me a bit more soundly and make it sound super serious and insightful. The reasoning provided didn't sound like Fat Tony was trying to sell me snake oil, just explaining his actual thought process. That is townie.



Some people were paying enough attention to even have a clue as to who was behind the no-reason posts with smiley faces. Those folks were kind enough to alert others. That seems reasonable to me.

So, where were the mafia? I see what the townies were doing this round. Who was guilty? I have my thoughts, but I feel like hearing your theories and having them on record.

Also, feel free to vote Maria, because that way you silly people won't lynch me later in a fit of abject paranoia like you always do. :wink:

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Also, I'm taking a wild stab at this: Fat Tony is God Emperor. If that's the case, I surely win some kind of prize.

Reason: "Did you not" "Did you think I did not" is typical of his speech pattern.

[[MAFIA] Fredo]

Maria;2053416359']Also, I'm taking a wild stab at this: Fat Tony is God Emperor. If that's the case, I surely win some kind of prize.

Reason: "Did you not" "Did you think I did not" is typical of his speech pattern.

I don't know but if I were mafia, I would stay as unnoticed as humanly possible. Fatty didn't do that. There's 6 people who didn't vote, there can be mafia in there, laughing at our petty squabbling about abstaining.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Fredo;2053416364']I don't know but if I were mafia, I would stay as unnoticed as humanly possible

That's the theory I'm operating from at the present time. Who is trying to stay unnoticed? Alternatively, who is trying to stay unnoticed without abstaining from posting every round? Not posting at all tends to get you voted. Who fits that mushy category where they will look like an active contributor, but also generate no attention? It's tricky because a good 50% or more of the town is going to look exactly like that. So it's a start but it doesn't lead to a correct accusation by itself. Needs more.

Fat Tony didn't look like he was trying to avoid attention, agreed. Whoever that is is comfortable making early accusations without considering the risks first.

[[MAFIA] Junior]

From my previous experience Maria is almost exactly, mafia try to either say much without saying anything substantive, or try to stay in the shadows and post enough to not be a complete lurker but they rarely accuse others because that opens them up to attack.

Since we are choosing between Maria and Scarface, and since Maria has truely been helpful to the town, I vote: Scarface. Also her walls of text are ATPG like, which for some reason makes me want to spill all of my secrets to her?

[[MAFIA] Silvio]

Vote: Maria for lots of WIFOM XD

[[MAFIA] Mickey]

vote: Maria for being Montmorency masquerading as ATPG. I see through your little charade :stare:.

[[MAFIA] Giuseppe]

Vote: Scarface.
I most definitely think that Maria has been more helpful to the town in general.

[[MAFIA] Furio]

Mickey;2053416386']vote: Maria for being Montmorency masquerading as ATPG. I see through your little charade :stare:.

If that's Monty, he's doing a pretty good job of an impression.

Just about all of ATPG's verbal tics are mixed in there.

Anyway, I don't really care who it is. You never lynch the pretty one.

Vote: Scarface

[[MAFIA] Fat Tony]

Mickey;2053416386']vote: Maria for being Montmorency masquerading as ATPG. I see through your little charade .


that is the impression i got as well...

vote: Maria - agreeing that i am town doesnt change the fact that i think you are suspect. So, you have concluded that all the people who voted for you were town. could it be because you are trying to get them to switch votes?

[[MAFIA] Scarface]

Vote: Maria

Obviously.


Scarface.

Well, policy-lynching Mafia for abstaining would make more sense in the first round. After all, I did vote someone who abstained in the first round and so did others. How much do you want to bet the mafia just go ahead and stick their thumb in the eye of the town after that lynch, and dare everyone in the game to vote for them? So I don't see that much thought going into this vote.
Duh. I made it pretty clear I'm going to vote for abstainers. This wasn't a revelation. Regardless of the intent of the abstain, I will vote for it. It's not some great "gotcha" moment when someone does exactly what they said they'd do.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Fat Tony;2053416419']that is the impression i got as well...

vote: Maria - agreeing that i am town doesnt change the fact that i think you are suspect. So, you have concluded that all the people who voted for you were town. could it be because you are trying to get them to switch votes?

No. Lynch me, fat boy.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Scarface;2053416423']Duh. I made it pretty clear I'm going to vote for abstainers. This wasn't a revelation. Regardless of the intent of the abstain, I will vote for it. It's not some great "gotcha" moment when someone does exactly what they said they'd do.

You're as charming as you are beautiful, Scarface. You're actually one of those folks that is difficult to decipher through behavior, because you have no personality. As such, you should die before I do.

Unvote: Maria

Vote......... ABSTAIN :laugh4:

[[MAFIA] Vinny]

Maria;2053416354']Observe Vinny.

Saying he didn't see me laugh is probably a true statement. He probably didn't read past the post where I abstained, he just went into "that's not pro-town!" mode and immediately voted for me. Then, after placing the vote, went searching around for more reasons to justify it. Vote first, find reasons later. Usually the scum don't bother with the reasoning or think of it ahead of time so they don't look foolish.

Well all I looked at was your post that you voted in and that was all I analysed. But what did get me was the hypocrisy of that vote after you got Paulie killed after a similar stunt. If you did not abstain then my vote would be different. I do think it is good policy to go after those who abstain and thus not help the town cause, since it is the only hope we have a catching the scum.

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Maria;2053416359']Also, I'm taking a wild stab at this: Fat Tony is God Emperor. If that's the case, I surely win some kind of prize.

Reason: "Did you not" "Did you think I did not" is typical of his speech pattern.

I had that impression too but I actually think, after these last couple of posts, that Junior is looking more like God Emperor than Tony.

[[MAFIA] Big George]

Vote: Scarface

[[MAFIA] Bertha]

Maria could be mafia doing a last ditch job of covering for a pal. Scarface does little to help though and his self-preservation vote could signal either. The main reasons that I don't think Maria is mafia (Whether she is ATPG doing an impression of Monty doing an impression of him or watEVA) is that she obviously voted against an abstainer and then voted abstain to generate some ****. The fact that Maria puts the case forward for Scarface's innocence is the clincher for me and as such, I have to go with
vote: Abstain :bow:

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Vinny;2053416436']Well all I looked at was your post that you voted in and that was all I analysed. But what did get me was the hypocrisy of that vote after you got Paulie killed after a similar stunt. If you did not abstain then my vote would be different. I do think it is good policy to go after those who abstain and thus not help the town cause, since it is the only hope we have a catching the scum.

Huh?

Vinny, no offense, but it sounds to me like the lights are on at your house, but nobody's home. You sound like you're reciting the pledge of allegiance toward townie-hood without really understanding or meaning any of it. You think you'll catch all the scum if you just hunt abstainers, or something?

Can you think of any ways the mafia might be able to counter your strategy?

[[MAFIA] Claudia]

unvote: Maria, vote: Scarface

To be fair, most of the time, only townies self-vote because they know it's an awful strategy. Up till Maria's APTGness, I didn't really see any reason to NOT vote Maria. Both people are probably town, may as well try to keep the more helpful one.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Vote: Scarface

[[MAFIA] Tony]

vote: Scarface

[[MAFIA] Scarface]

:laugh4:

Go get'em, bud.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Constantinople, 1453
Day 2

As the soldiers were deliberating for the second day in a row, it gradually became clear to the Captain of the Guard that at this particular stage, the men really had no idea of who the Ottomans were and were pretty much just guessing. This saddened the Captain, as the effect of this meant that a lot more guards were going to die by the time this played out, but he reinforced himself by saying that this was the only way and it was akin to the guards dying in the combat. In the end, they had done their duty. In the end, it was for the greater good.

And yet, for the guards themselves, this experience was positively terrifying. To the guards, this experience was the precise opposite of dying in battle. At least, in battle, you were going up against a known enemy who was clearly trying to kill you. It would strictly be a duel of you vs. them, and whoever was the better, more deserving soldier, would win. And if you lost, you lost, but at least you had your friends beside you. Here though, this way, turned that conception on its head. Your enemy was the very definition of the unknown. You didn't know where or when, or if at all, the foe would strike. And your friends? Oh yeah, the killer was one of them, somebody you've known and trusted for years. And the rest of your group of friends? The innocent ones? They were convinced you did it. This was the Sultan's perfect weapon, really. It eliminated all bonds of fellowship among the Byzantine soldiers while at the same time physically eliminating them.

This was what the guards were slowly coming to realize at the close of Day 2.

The two of the guards who had originally tied for the most votes, Maria and Scarface, realized this and instead made their cases on how best they were able to help the guards in future situations. By the end of the day it had been pretty much agreed that both were innocent, so the casemaking came entirely down to which person was more useful. Maria had won the guards' confidence in a landslide, which meant that Scarface would be facing execution.

This was perhaps the greatest blow of all for Scarface's pride. After two miserable, horrible days of being subject to attacks from an unknown assailant and his outfit essentially consuming itself alive, the guards had finally decided to end his life. Not on the basis that they had caught him attempting murder, or even on suspicion that he was the killer. No, they wanted to kill him because they perceived him to be useless.

All of Scarface's time in the guard, all the work he had done over the years and particularly the past month, all of the effort he had sacrificed for his outfit, and it wasn't enough. In the end, it was all meaningless. In the end, they still picked him to die just because his only competition seemed like they would be more useful at solving the unsolvable. And that knowledge hurt far more than any Ottoman blade.

Scarface, also known as issaikhaan, grudgingly walked up to the Captain to get over with, trying not to notice Maria quietly smirking in the the background. "You're going to regret this" were his last words.

Day 2a tally:
Scarface: 12 (Fingers, Angelo, Bugsy, Fredo, Richie, Junior, Giuseppe, Furio, Big George, Claudia, Anne, Tony) :skull:
Maria: 4 (Silvio, Mickey, Fat Tony, Scarface)

Abstained: 2 (Maria, Bertha)
Didn't vote: 6 (Vito, Sonny, Little Leo, Luigi, Emilio, Vinny)

It is now Night 2! The phase will end in 24 hours.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (23)
Luigi
Furio
Angelo
Tony
Anne
Silvio
Giuseppe
Little Leo
Fredo
Fat Tony
Vinny
Mickey
Bugsy
Fingers
Claudia
Maria
Emilio
Junior
Big George
Bertha
Vito
Richie
Sonny

Killed:
Chickenman (Cjreynol)
Vincent (Subotan)

Executed:
Paulie (Csargo)
Scarface (issaikhaan)

Player list:
Subotan
Zack
Montmorency
Arjos
The King
Captain Blackadder
LazyMcCrow
Ishmael
Double A
scottishranger
Chaotix
Askthepizzaguy
classical_hero
Visorslash
landlubber
God Emperor
edse
atheotes
Cjreynol
DaveShack
Diamondeye
autolycus
issaikhaan
Riedquat
BSmith
Csargo
rickinator9

[[MAFIA] Little Leo]

Little Leo;2053416055']vote:Richie Only the wealthy can afford to use oil so wantonly.

You missed my vote :(, / I somehow missed that we had a run-off. Hee-hee.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Regret lynching Khaan? :laugh4: Surely you jest. Oh, had I known it was khaan from the beginning, I wouldn't have abstained.

You'll get me next time, Khaan mah boy.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Little Leo;2053416761']You missed my vote :(, / I somehow missed that we had a run-off. Hee-hee.

Check a bit back, I got you for the main day's tally. This one was for the runoff only. :yes:

[[MAFIA] Vinny]

I was not expecting a runnoff so I did not check the thread properly. I think we should lynch Maria tomorrow.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Vinny;2053416843']I was not expecting a runnoff so I did not check the thread properly. I think we should lynch Maria tomorrow.

This man seems disoriented and only vaguely aware of what's going on. That means he's one of the best and brightest on the town side.

That said, I would not take strategy advice from this man.

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Maria;2053416844']This man seems disoriented and only vaguely aware of what's going on. That means he's one of the best and brightest on the town side.

That said, I would not take strategy advice from this man.

I cannot emphasize how much I agree with this. Vinny's either a really disoriented townie or a quite gutsy scummer. His former posts were suspicious (the former post Maria pointed out is a great example of this), but by now it just looks like cluelessness.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Fingers;2053416877']I cannot emphasize how much I agree with this. Vinny's either a really disoriented townie or a quite gutsy scummer. His former posts were suspicious (the former post Maria pointed out is a great example of this), but by now it just looks like cluelessness.

Yeah but how out of the ordinary is that?

I know these comments are snarky and critical, but they have a point. Generally speaking, your average townie is not reading very carefully, not keeping track of the tally, can't be bothered to remember who is even in the game, and will generally vote for one of the names they see on the screen at any given time.

Look, that person voted. Maybe I'll vote for them.

You know what's really sad? We all intuitively know this, so when we're mafia we try to avoid all the lazy-townie-vote traps. Don't say anything weird. Don't do anything controversial. Maybe only post after lots of people have voted, to reduce the odds you're wagoned just because you bothered to show up. And how about don't abstain when they just lynched someone for abstaining?

You know the mafia are avoiding this kind of lazy or reflexive junk. You know it because you avoid it when you're mafia.

We're all bare-bones innocents here, and none of us are going to gain special powers or special insight. So therefore we're all deeply ignorant and in the dark, and we're fighting with our wits alone.

My request is that we act like we have wits. Every one of us.

If we do, you could lynch me five times over and still win the game. You don't really need me. I'm just trying to remind you all to do your best thinking before you execute someone. Khaan's a good player but that policy lynch-all-abstainers wasn't going to catch mafia unless they decided derrrrrmmmm I'd like to die today.

The mafia would really not like to die right now. So they're going to avoid the kind of stuff that gets them killed by the kind of lazy/reflexive townie reactions to it.

Mayhaps lynch someone who is trying to look uncontroversial, competent, helpful, but generally non-threatening. Someone middle of the road, who doesn't stand out, who you barely even know is there. That's what the mafia are doing right now.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Also, if I spot people acting clueless, I'm going to assume they're still not reading, or they're trying to act like a clueless townie, so I'm going to policy-lynch those guys. ;)

Maybe the only policy lynch that's a good idea.

[[MAFIA] Furio]

What happened?

Who did we lynch?

Where am I?

[seireikhaan]

I spy, with my little eye, something beginning with... C.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Furio;2053416913']What happened?

Who did we lynch?

Where am I?

I'm going to policy lynch you now, even though I am almost certain you're not scum.

Why? Doesn't make much sense now does it. But I shall do it because I'm stubborn. And I believe that somehow, lynching townies will result in victory.

[[MAFIA] Tony]

I didn't read anything but that last sentence. I think we need to lynch Maria since she wants to lynch townies.






:2thumbsup:

[[MAFIA] Vinny]

Maria;2053416844']This man seems disoriented and only vaguely aware of what's going on. That means he's one of the best and brightest on the town side.

That said, I would not take strategy advice from this man.

There was nothing in the rules stating how ties would be handled, so I assumed it would a coin toss. I was not expecting a run off vote, since there was nothing in the rules about ties, so I assumed it was night and there was a lot of night talk. I know that means I made an ass out you and me.

[[MAFIA] Richie]

Death to lurkers and people not following the game! :wall:

[[MAFIA] Junior]

What is this I don't even...

In any case we are all stabbing in the dark here, but but I think we should generally avoid lynching Maria... She is after all helping us

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Junior;2053416966']What is this I don't even...

In any case we are all stabbing in the dark here, but but I think we should generally avoid lynching Maria... She is after all helping us

This is God Emperor.

Seriously, "stab in the dark", "what is this I don't even..." and the double but (no pun) in one post?

Hi :curtain:

[[MAFIA] Maria]

I need a few more people who think I'm scum. Right now there's too many people thinking I'm townie, and that means I'm going to get murdered.

Can I have a few volunteers to pretend to find me guilty, pretend to vote for me, get me pretend lynched, so I'll be pretend dead?

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Tsss, I can't blame anyone that want's you silenced.

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Angelo;2053416992']Tsss, I can't blame anyone that want's you silenced.

You can't work out how to use apostrophes either? :wink:

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Fingers;2053417006']You can't work out how to use apostrophes either? :wink:

How do you know the apostrophe was used incorrectly? Just imagine that want is a proper noun, the name of a gentleman from East Frinklestan whose cultural tradition mandates the non-capitalization of proper names. His name is being used in the possessive here, indicating that want wants what is want's.

It's the rest of the sentence that makes no sense. want is hiding in a totally unrelated sentence. Do not want.

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Maria;2053417009']How do you know the apostrophe was used incorrectly? Just imagine that want is a proper noun, the name of a gentleman from East Frinklestan whose cultural tradition mandates the non-capitalization of proper names. His name is being used in the possessive here, indicating that want wants what is want's.

It's the rest of the sentence that makes no sense. want is hiding in a totally unrelated sentence. Do not want.

I can't blame anyone that want's you silenced = I can not blame anyone that want has you silenced = You are not to blame when Mr. want silence you

That's what I meant.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Kill writeups incoming. :yes:

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

I have to say, the way I look in my mugshot (<----------) is bugging me.

See what I did there?

[[MAFIA] Giuseppe]

Fingers;2053416968']This is God Emperor.

Seriously, "stab in the dark", "what is this I don't even..." and the double but (no pun) in one post?

Hi :curtain:


Fingers;2053417006']You can't work out how to use apostrophes either? :wink:

Hey, Diamondeye.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Constantinople, 1453
Night 2

They always said that Fredo had the best ears in the outfit. That man could hear something that was out of place from farther away and at a softer volume than anyone else, and everyone knew it. Fredo, for his part, let this get to his head, but in a productive manner. He honed his talent, never fully not paying attention again, and as a result it was his good ears that prevented or stopped a lot of crimes around the city.

Now, he knew that it was more important than ever that his hearing not fail him. He knew that Chickenman had died while out on patrol, unable to hear the minor details that gave away somebody's presence: muffled breathing, small shifts in clothing, pebbles hitting the ground upon movement. He knew that he had a much better chance of survival if he simply paid attention to the world around him.

Fredo's ears were finely tuned to the city around him. While Chickenman last night had seen mostly emptiness, the ruins of a once-great capital, Fredo took in more. He saw and heard minor signs of life. The nocturnal bugs were out as always, scurrying around and accomplishing their daily tasks. The small critters were feasting on whatever they could get their hands on, this particular part of Constantinople having been essentially abandoned to them. Nothing, in other words, out of the ordinary. It looked like Fredo was safe.

Just then, a very loud *BANG* filled Fredo's and half the city's ears. The giant cannon (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supergun) that the Sultan had brought with him from Edirne was usually only fired during the day, and as a result Fredo was not mentally prepared for the extremely loud noise it produced. Caught by surprise, a loud ringing noise filled his ears, drowning out all other sounds. Fredo staggered, clutching his ears with his hands, trying to block out the ringing.

He was slowed for long enough. A shadowy figure ran right up to Fredo, knifed him in the neck, and ran off without breaking his stride.

In its current state, Constantinople had become less of a city and more of a collection of various small population centers with fields to split them apart. This wasn't so much the case in the old Imperial district, near the Bosphorus in the east, but closer to the walls, in the west, this maxim held. Claudia, one of the guards that did not have any sort of duty that night, decided to spend her time in one of those fields rather than sleep in her tent or go home. After all, there was nowhere to hide in a field. She could see anybody coming for her from a mile away.

So she sat in the field, staring up at the stars, contemplating. How many citizens of Constantinople over the centuries, and Byzantium before that, had stared up at the very same stars pondering her fate? How many kings and would-be conquerors, religious figures and false shamans, regular peasants and soldiers just like her had done this exact same thing? Would anybody else be doing the same a month from now?

Claudia, sitting in that field, became lost in her thoughts, lost in the stars, lost in time. She had become another victim of the crescent moon, the symbol which had so fascinated the people of the city for well over a millennium. Finally, something snapped her out of it. An arrow whizzed right over her head, missing it by a mere inches. And now Claudia realized the one terrible flaw with her hiding plan: After all, there was nowhere to hide in a field.

She started running for the nearest collection of buildings, hoping to take cover before her attacker gained too much ground. But Claudia was too desperate, still a bit dazed from the suddenness in which she was rocked from her uneasy contemplation of things, and never really gained solid footing. She tripped over her own feet, scrambling to get up, all the while losing time. All the while her pursuer was running for her with a singleminded determination.

Not even bothering to look back to gauge the distance between her pursuer and herself, Claudia instead kept her eyes and mind focused forward. This was a mistake. Once the pursuer had closed enough distance, he stopped and quickly readied another arrow. He fired and it connected with its target. Claudia went down, a mistake that would have easily been avoidable if she had bothered to look back and see what he was doing.

Her pursuer walked up to her, checking to see if there was any follow-up work that needed to be done. It turned out to be unnecessary. Constantinople, the city of the crescent moon, had in fact claimed another victim.

The following day, the Captain of the Guard took roll call and found another two guards missing.

"Soldiers," he addressed the camp, "We're down two more today. I'm going to assume that unless someone proves to me otherwise, that Fredo, also known as rickinator9, and Claudia, better known as Double A, have been the latest victims of the Ottoman agents currently infiltrating our outfit. You all know what this means, so we might as well get to work.

It is now Day 3! Voting will end Thursday, January 26, at 20:00 US Eastern Time (GMT-5).

~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (21)
Luigi
Furio
Angelo
Tony
Anne
Silvio
Giuseppe
Little Leo
Fat Tony
Vinny
Mickey
Bugsy
Fingers
Maria
Emilio
Junior
Big George
Bertha
Vito
Richie
Sonny

Killed:
Chickenman (Cjreynol)
Vincent (Subotan)
Fredo (rickinator9)
Claudia (Double A)

Executed:
Paulie (Csargo)
Scarface (issaikhaan)

Player list:
Subotan
Zack
Montmorency
Arjos
The King
Captain Blackadder
LazyMcCrow
Ishmael
Double A
scottishranger
Chaotix
Askthepizzaguy
classical_hero
Visorslash
landlubber
God Emperor
edse
atheotes
Cjreynol
DaveShack
Diamondeye
autolycus
issaikhaan
Riedquat
BSmith
Csargo
rickinator9

[rickinator9]

I'm pretty sure I know one of the mafia right now, shame it had to end like this.

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Giuseppe;2053417080']Hey, Diamondeye.

Hi :beam:

[[MAFIA] Vinny]

Big George and Luigi rare not doing much to help the cause by posting so little. One of them must die if they don't show up. vote:Luigi to see if he shows up.

[[MAFIA] Big George]

That's an interesting attitude you got there, Vinnie. I'll have to keep that in mind for later.

Maria acts innocent, but is it an act or is it real? Could be someone who knows their personality is going to show through the anonymity of the game and so hiding by changing things up is futile. Having been bandwagoned and successfully diverting it to someone else, can we now expect even more flamboyant behavior? This individual should be remain under some degree of suspicion. Innocents tend to be naturally reluctant to lynch people who appear to be leading their cause, unless they notice subsequent scummy behavior, which is what we need to be on the lookout for.

The voting records add little at this point. Both of the murder victims voted in the runofff for yesterday's lynchee, and neither had said much of significance, so the choice of victims is not likely to help finger the scum.

In the interest of stirring the pot a bit to see what's cooking, I think I'll Vote: Fingers.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Big George;2053417142']That's an interesting attitude you got there, Vinnie. I'll have to keep that in mind for later.

Maria acts innocent, but is it an act or is it real? Could be someone who knows their personality is going to show through the anonymity of the game and so hiding by changing things up is futile. Having been bandwagoned and successfully diverting it to someone else, can we now expect even more flamboyant behavior?

You can bet your Boy George, Big George.


This individual should be remain under some degree of suspicion. Innocents tend to be naturally reluctant to lynch people who appear to be leading their cause, unless they notice subsequent scummy behavior, which is what we need to be on the lookout for.

Even if I were scum you folks still wouldn't find me scummy. True story.


The voting records add little at this point. Both of the murder victims voted in the runofff for yesterday's lynchee, and neither had said much of significance, so the choice of victims is not likely to help finger the scum.

Probably why they were murdered.


Where's Chaotix? He's probably mafia. Chaotix, why don't you stand up and say something so I can lynch you.

Vote: Emilio in the meantime.

[Chaotix]

Maria;2053417147']Where's Chaotix? He's probably mafia. Chaotix, why don't you stand up and say something so I can lynch you.


Hey there.

....

Oh, you wanted me to post using my anonymous account? Sorry, I'll get right on that.

brb discussing tonight's kills with atheotes.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Better not. I have a pretty good idea who he is.

[[MAFIA] Silvio]

Does that mean there are 3 Mafia? :S

[[MAFIA] Bertha]

Angelo;2053416992']Tsss, I can't blame anyone that want's you silenced.
vote: Angelo Scum hiding behind 'too obvious' scummy comment.
(And for the record: An Apostrophe is the difference between a business that knows its **** and a business that knows it's ****)

[[MAFIA] Mickey]

Bertha;2053417167']vote: Angelo Scum hiding behind 'too obvious' scummy comment.
(And for the record: An Apostrophe is the difference between a business that knows its **** and a business that knows it's ****)

:laugh4:

I still think Maria is up to no good, if only because she's likely Montmorency and/or ATPG. So vote: Maria.

[[MAFIA] Luigi]

Silvio;2053417159']Does that mean there are 3 Mafia? :S

What makes you say that ?

[[MAFIA] Vito]

Silvio;2053417159']Does that mean there are 3 Mafia? :S

j'accuse

Is this PIS talking or do you have something else to back you up on that?

[Double A]

I think this is the first time ever where I haven't either been killed Night 1 or killed really late into the game. :laugh4:

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Big George;2053417142']That's an interesting attitude you got there, Vinnie. I'll have to keep that in mind for later.

Maria acts innocent, but is it an act or is it real? Could be someone who knows their personality is going to show through the anonymity of the game and so hiding by changing things up is futile. Having been bandwagoned and successfully diverting it to someone else, can we now expect even more flamboyant behavior? This individual should be remain under some degree of suspicion. Innocents tend to be naturally reluctant to lynch people who appear to be leading their cause, unless they notice subsequent scummy behavior, which is what we need to be on the lookout for.

The voting records add little at this point. Both of the murder victims voted in the runofff for yesterday's lynchee, and neither had said much of significance, so the choice of victims is not likely to help finger the scum.

In the interest of stirring the pot a bit to see what's cooking, I think I'll Vote: Fingers.

I'm flattered. Also, that's a very interesting speech pattern... It reminds me a bit of TinCow, who isn't in the game.

... DaveShack?

[[MAFIA] Silvio]

An island in the sea of Islam. Catch me if you can, chumps!


brb discussing tonight's kills with atheotes.

So Maria was right about people not paying attention. XD

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Mickey;2053417168']:laugh4:

I still think Maria is up to no good, if only because she's likely Montmorency and/or ATPG. So vote: Maria.

If you don't know me by now, you will never never never know me.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

If you don't know me by now, you will never never never know me.

I know you, you are Maria.. and now what? If you are Monty but not mafia you should be lynched for your little prank, same goes for Chaotix.

Vote: abstain

[[MAFIA] Tony]

Silvio;2053417159']Does that mean there are 3 Mafia? :S

Luigi;2053417177']What makes you say that ?


Vito;2053417206']j'accuse

Is this PIS talking or do you have something else to back you up on that?

These are good questions vote: Silvio. How come you don’t want to answer them?

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Those are rubbish questions; GH stated that there are two mafia beyond a doubt. Silvio is most likely one of Maria's "confused townie"s. Frankly, unvote; vote:Vito seems too eager to make it mean something it clearly doesn't.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Tony;2053417256']These are good questions vote: Silvio. How come you don’t want to answer them?

You must be kidding, he answered in post 189

unvote; vote: Tony

[[MAFIA] Richie]

Vote: Tony

Can't stand people reading like one post each phase, can't help it.

[[MAFIA] Tony]

Crap. I forgot that GH told us the number of Mafia at the start, and I guess I need my coffee this morning as I didn't get the response about not paying attention. Oh the irony! :wall:

unvote

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/civ4/culture.gif How do you solve a problem like Maria? (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1HwVmY28Pk) http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/civ4/culture.gif




Like this!

Vote: Maria :beadyeyes:

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Go soak your head, Bugsy.

[[MAFIA] Sonny]

Why not?

Vote: bugsy

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

Maria;2053417346']Go soak your head, Bugsy.


Sonny;2053417426']Why not?

Vote: bugsy
Bugger off, you two!

See what I did there?

[[MAFIA] Junior]

Fingers;2053417258']Those are rubbish questions; GH stated that there are two mafia beyond a doubt. Silvio is most likely one of Maria's "confused townie"s. Frankly, unvote; vote:Vito seems too eager to make it mean something it clearly doesn't.
At least Vito is trying to make some connections. I dont think we need people criticizing him for that. A good townie accuses and tries to spook some mafia into making a mistake.

But the question is who to vote for...

[[MAFIA] Emilio]

Vote: Fingers

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting closed.

[[MAFIA] Junior]

NOOO darn it!

Vote: Emilio for unexplained vote...

[GeneralHankerchief]

Tie vote between Fingers, Maria, and Tony. Same procedure as before. You have 24 hours. :yes:

Day 3 tally:
Fingers: 2 (Big George, Emilio)
Maria: 2 (Mickey, Bugsy)
Tony: 2 (Anne, Richie)

Luigi: 1 (Vinny)
Emilio: 1 (Maria)
Angelo: 1 (Bertha)
Bugsy: 1 (Sonny)
Vito: 1 (Fingers)

Abstained: 5 (Tony, Silvio, Luigi, Vito, Junior*)
Didn't vote: 5 (Furio, Little Leo, Giuseppe, Fat Tony, Angelo)

*Vote was past deadline, I'm counting it as Junior showing up to vote this round but not for anybody specific since that would have altered the results.

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

Vote: Maria

[[MAFIA] Furio]

Nope.

Vote: Tony

[[MAFIA] Tony]

vote: Fingers

[[MAFIA] Little Leo]

vote:Fingers

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Didn't vote: 5 (Furio, Little Leo, Giuseppe, Fat Tony, Angelo)


Why not?

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Vote: Tony

[[MAFIA] Vinny]

vote:Luigi I am going to keep my vote on him and him not voting for someone is mighty suspicious

[GeneralHankerchief]

Note: There is a decent chance I won't be around to end voting at the proper time tomorrow. If this is the case, then continue voting until I explicitly say things are over in the thread. :yes:

[[MAFIA] Bertha]

Tie vote between Fingers, Maria, and Tony. Same procedure as before. You have 24 hours. :yes:

Day 3 tally:
Fingers: 2 (Big George, Emilio)
Maria: 2 (Mickey, Bugsy)
Tony: 2 (Anne, Richie)

Luigi: 1 (Vinny)
Emilio: 1 (Maria)
Angelo: 1 (Bertha)
Bugsy: 1 (Sonny)
Vito: 1 (Fingers)

Abstained: 5 (Tony, Silvio, Luigi, Vito, Junior*)
Didn't vote: 5 (Furio, Little Leo, Giuseppe, Fat Tony, Angelo)

*Vote was past deadline, I'm counting it as Junior showing up to vote this round but not for anybody specific since that would have altered the results.

Meh. Emilios last minute vote could be last ditch attempt to help scum buddy if it wasn't already a tie. The two votes' on Fingers are a speculative one and the mystery late one. Maria taking pressure from Mickey and Bugsy is no suprise - I still think Maria is good for town. But all this analysis is a little scientific for a girl burly soldier, like me... I prefer to follow my nose. and to that end none of the above smell too much..well maybe Tony.

vote: Tony

[[MAFIA] Richie]

Vote: Tony

[[MAFIA] Luigi]

As I wouldn't like to vote Fingers nor Maria, then Vote: Tony becomes the obvious choice

[[MAFIA] Emilio]

Meh. Emilios last minute vote could be last ditch attempt to help scum buddy if it wasn't already a tie.

Vote: Fingers

Yes, I'm trying to save my scum buddy Maria. Shh.. Don't tell anyone.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

I note that all three candidates for the lynch are "talkers" by comparison to the rest.

Maria no like. Bad medicine.

vote: Fingers

[[MAFIA] Tony]

If I was a threat to the town, don't you think I would have voted yesterday for one of the other members of the tie so as to avoid this predicament?

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Tony;2053417572']If I was a threat to the town, don't you think I would have voted yesterday for one of the other members of the tie so as to avoid this predicament?

Yeah, and that's the same argument each one of us in the tie could make. And one of us is still going to die. So right now, it's a contest to determine who has the best hair, and then we kill that person.

Waste of time, etc.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Bad situation we put ourselves into...

I stick with my vote from yesterday... Vote: Tony

[[MAFIA] Giuseppe]

Sorry for not voting earlier. I've come down with a bit of a cold.
Tony pings on my scumdar the worst, especially post 219.
Vote: Tony.

[[MAFIA] Mickey]

vote: Maria, I'm sticking to my guns.

[[MAFIA] Silvio]

Vote: Fingers

Tony and Maria seem less suspicious.

[[MAFIA] Junior]

Vote: Fingers

I havent seen him do much. And I dont trust his... "fingers"

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Mickey;2053417662']vote: Maria, I'm sticking to my guns.

Too bad you forgot to load them with anything besides blanks. :wink:

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

Maria;2053417682']Too bad you forgot to load them with anything besides blanks. :wink:

Are you determined to comment on and/or defend yourself against any post which even remotely accuses you? Yeesh.

[[MAFIA] Vito]

Vote:Fingers

Maria ain't that bad of a dame.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Vote is still tied. We're going to keep it going through the night.

[[MAFIA] Big George]

RL has dealt me some suspicious looking timing, but I'll stick with Vote: Fingers

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Puh-lease.

Silvio and Junior; Is Tony really more visible/townie than I am? I can't see that.

But I guess we're three townies tied, so one of us has to go. I was just kind of hoping it'd be the one who isn't actually posting anything constructive.

[[MAFIA] Richie]

What's so horrid about random.org though? :rolleyes:

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Fingers;2053417845']Puh-lease.

Silvio and Junior; Is Tony really more visible/townie than I am? I can't see that.

You look like you're making a slightly more concerted effort to "look townie". In this case where we're probably lynching townies, this is the deciding factor for me.

Copyright Maria 2012.

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

And fwiw, I'm 99.99% sure Maria is ATPG, not someone doing an ATPG impression.

[[MAFIA] Maria]

Bugsy;2053417862']And fwiw, I'm 99.99% sure Maria is ATPG, not someone doing an ATPG impression.

You're going way out on a limb there.

No one can impersonate ATPG except me, the professional ATPG impersonator extraordinaire.

[[MAFIA] Fingers]

Maria;2053417851']You look like you're making a slightly more concerted effort to "look townie". In this case where we're probably lynching townies, this is the deciding factor for me.

Copyright Maria 2012.

At least I'm doing something. Compare: Tony.

It's not a catastrophe, this is one of the rare games where I actually am a townie, plain and simple. It happens even to the best, guys :shrug:

[[MAFIA] Vinny]

Bugsy;2053417862']And fwiw, I'm 99.99% sure Maria is ATPG, not someone doing an ATPG impression.

Maria is not ATPG due to the fact "she" was active when ATPG wasn't due to real life. So how do we solve a problem like Maria?

@GH, shouldn't i not be allowed that we post in our usual forum names? I almost started to write in my original name. I remember for the previous non game that you could block the original forum names while they are still in the game.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Voting (finally) closed.

Vinny: Not really sure what you're asking.

[[MAFIA] Bugsy]

Vinny;2053417885']Maria is not ATPG due to the fact "she" was active when ATPG wasn't due to real life.
Maria is ATPG because she's active at the same times ATPG has been. And because she's acting like ATPG, right down to speech patterns and everything.

[[MAFIA] Mickey]

Bugsy;2053417902']Maria is ATPG because she's active at the same times ATPG has been. And because she's acting like ATPG, right down to speech patterns and everything.

Precisely. ATPG doesn't tend to act exactly like ATPG, whilst a person imitating him would. Thus, Maria is Montmorency pretending to be ATPG. (Pizza and Montmorency, stop laughing at me! :D)

[GeneralHankerchief]

Constantinople, 1453
Day 3

The sun had long-since set after a tie vote and an extended tiebreaker. All the guardsmen gathered around a small fire in the camp, right now the only source of illumination in the city save for the stars and the moon. They were too far from any of the city's neighborhoods to hear the goings-on there, and for once the Ottomans were quiet outside the walls. The world may only have consisted of these few guards - well, the actual guards plus the two Ottoman agents, of course.

There was still a startling lack of consensus on who to execute that day, something which did not bode well for the guards. They all looked around at each other, watching the light from the fire flicker on and off their faces. What was everyone's true expression in those moments of darkness? That was what they were all trying to figure out, and that was what they had all failed at so far.

Eventually it came down to three: Maria, Tony, and Fingers, with Fingers finally receiving a plurality after a late vote from Big George sealing matters. Fingers gave Big George a devastated look before submitting himself to the clutches of the Captain of the Guard.

"How could you do this to me?" he demanded. "We've both been in the outfit since the 1440s! God knows how much we've done together! I'm your kids' godfather, dammit! You can't possibly think I'm working with them, can you? I don't even look like one of them?"

George decided to put on his historian's hat. "The Ottomans are a multinational, multiethnic empire that encompass most of the East. While originally Turkish, their capital is currently in Europe, which should tell you something. If we somehow find the two agents and kill them and it turns out the Sultan has to take the walls by force, the soldiers facing us, the ones we don't want to see, the Janissaries, were people originally taken from Christian homes. One of the reasons why the Ottomans are doing so well is that they are very adaptable and pretty much leave the local infrastructure in place in the lands they conquer. They are a meritocracy on nearly all levels of society, and have greater room for social mobility than pretty much any civilization we've ever known. They don't have to *look* like anybody, Fingers. That's why this is so hard to do. That's why you can't trust anybody. We can't just go killing anybody who looks remotely Turkish."

Everyone was silent after this. Fingers gaped openly at this lecture, trying to find a good response. After about a minute of silent stammering, he finally managed something out. "But... but.. soldiers... godfather...!"

Big George was icy in his firelit gaze. "Give me a better alternative, give me proof either way, and I'll take it."

But now the Captain of the Guard cut in. "I'm afraid there's no time for that. The proof we need will be in the number of kills there are tomorrow. If there are none, then we're off the hook. Otherwise, we've accomplished nothing."

He took out his sword and swiftly beheaded Fingers, also known as Diamondeye, who had just as much of a chance of being an Ottoman deep cover agent as anyone else sitting around the fire that night.

Day 3a tally:
Fingers: 8 (Tony, Little Leo, Emilio, Maria, Silvio, Junior, Vito, Big George) :skull:
Tony: 7 (Furio, Fingers, Bertha, Richie, Luigi, Anne, Giuseppe)
Maria: 2 (Bugsy, Mickey)

Abstained: 0
Didn't vote: 4 (Angelo, Silvio, Fat Tony, Vinny)

It is now Night 3! The phase will end in 24 hours.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Still alive: (20)
Luigi
Furio
Angelo
Tony
Anne
Silvio
Giuseppe
Little Leo
Fat Tony
Vinny
Mickey
Bugsy
Maria
Emilio
Junior
Big George
Bertha
Vito
Richie
Sonny

Killed:
Chickenman (Cjreynol)
Vincent (Subotan)
Fredo (rickinator9)
Claudia (Double A)

Executed:
Paulie (Csargo)
Scarface (issaikhaan)
Fingers (Diamondeye)

Player list:
Subotan
Zack
Montmorency
Arjos
The King
Captain Blackadder
LazyMcCrow
Ishmael
Double A
scottishranger
Chaotix
Askthepizzaguy
classical_hero
Visorslash
landlubber
God Emperor
edse
atheotes
Cjreynol
DaveShack
Diamondeye
autolycus
issaikhaan
Riedquat
BSmith
Csargo
rickinator9

[[MAFIA] Maria]

FoS: Anne, Leo

[Diamondeye]

I is disappoint.

:shame:

[GeneralHankerchief]

The lynch writeup is finally done, check for the kill writeup in another couple of hours. :yes:

[[MAFIA] Mickey]

While originally Turkish, their capital is currently in Europe....

OOC: I'm curious, where was their capital?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Mickey;2053418174']OOC: I'm curious, where was their capital?

Edirne (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edirne), which is basically a hop, skip, and jump away from Constantinople/Istanbul. Adrianople, for the more classically-inclined.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Constantinople, 1453
Night 3

"Nice civics lesson, Big George."

The guard known as Big George looked around, startled. An instant later he sat, frozen. There was truly no feeling on earth that was like having a cold blade pressed up against your throat - sharp side facing in, of course. There was nothing really left to do except to keep the voice talking.

"You know, it's a real shame that you're a guard. If you were in any other position in this city, I might have just left you alive. The Ottoman Empire needs men of intelligence, local men who understand how we operate. You *were* entirely correct in us leaving the local infrastructure intact in places we conquer. However, that said, we still need people to see things from our point of view. We still need people to teach other people that our way is the only way. We..."

The man continued to drone on. Big George paid him less and less attention. Instead, he was focusing on removing the secret blade from his waist. He moved his arms little by little, inch by inch, so as not to alert his attacker whether by sound or by motion.

The attacker for his part droned on and on, now slipping into an utterly villainous monologue about how Constantinople was a crumbling, dying city and had been so for centuries, and how the Sultan was going to gloriously restore it in his own image. Big George empathized. The one thing about deep cover agents is that, well, their cover was deep. He was probably blowing off years of steam at this very moment. Big George gripped his blade, felt around for the course of least resistance, and then decided on his course of action. There would be no more inching around. He would go for the kill in one fast stroke.

His arm began to twitch. The act of twitching was not even completed yet, that's how fast the Ottoman's other arm was in restraining him and keeping him powerless. Big George tried to overpower him, but it was to no effect. He was completely at his attacker's mercy.

"...and I feel that you haven't been paying attention to me, after all," he said. "How very sad. Perhaps there wouldn't have been any use for you anyway." With that, he slit Big George's throat and departed the tent, unseen.

More often than not, the Hagia Sophia was deserted these days. This was truly a shame, for Justinian's crowning architectural achievement was a beautiful thing to behold.


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The reasons for this were both religious and political in nature. Perhaps both the same thing. In Constantinople, the two had had been eternally intertwined anyway. In a desperate attempt to secure help from the West, Basileus Constantine XI and his religious entourage had agreed to reconcile with the Roman Catholic Church and the Pope. Officially, the process was well on its way to being a done deal. Many people were still holding out hope for a great Papal armada to appear over the horizon and deliver the city. Unofficially... it was not going well. The people of Constantinople, led on by most leading religious figures of the city, opposed the effort. They had valid reasons for doing so. To them, there was no real difference between the Catholics and the Ottomans. Both of them had preyed on the city in the past. Indeed, the one time the city had been sacked, it had been the victim of Crusaders from Venice, not soldiers from the East. Plus, the Ottomans and Muslims in general had a good reputation for treating people of different religions well. They would most likely be able to continue practicing their traditions in peace. This was not the case for the Catholics, who would force them to submit absolutely to the Pope's authority and make them abandon the Orthodox practices that caused them to split from the West in the first place. Plus, some of the more religious people reasoned, if Orthodoxy was abandoned to save the city, it would be a sacrifice that was not worth it. The result of all this had left the Hagia Sophia quiet. No services of any kind had been held there for over a year.

It had, however, made it quite a place to reflect. It was where Bertha had come to pray that night, to get better in-touch with God. The connection in that place that night was quite a powerful one with Bertha. Surrounded only by history, the ghosts that place held, Bertha found herself humbled.

Nobody knew quite what would happen to the Hagia if Constantinople fell. The Sultan wouldn't tear it down... probably. It was too much of an icon, too beautiful of a building for that. There was always the hope that he would leave it be entirely. The Ottomans, after all, were very accommodating to the people they conquered. Perhaps this would extend to the preservation of the Hagia as an Orthodox place of worship as well. However, this too was also unlikely, once again due to the building's status. Most likely Mehmet would convert it to a mosque. It would be a part of shaping the city in his own image. The building would remain, but the Orthodox iconography would be gone, as would all of the other art that depicted persons. The Sultan would probably add minarets surrounding the building, as well.

*BOOM*

Another quality the Hagia Sophia had when nobody was inside was that it was *excellent* at amplifying and echoing sounds. Bertha knew that she was not alone. She looked around, and then made the decision in a split second: run.

The sound came from the building's front doors, which meant this was most likely where the attacker entered. Better not to flee that way. Instead, Bertha pelted down the main aisle, looking to create distance first and foremost. She would then search for a side exit, or barring that, hide in the catacombs.

She neared the church's main altar, looking around for exits. Ugh, this church was far too spacious. Either way would be a very long run, and Bertha had never been the quickest guard in the unit. Add that to the advantage of the attacker being able to angle himself to reach her, and she knew she would most likely be toast before she reached an exit. Not being an upper-level Orthodox clergyman, she had no knowledge of any doors that led to the building's inner sanctum or the city's catacombs, either.

The only recourse, then, was to pray for divine intervention. Bertha knelt at the altar and began to appeal to God once more.

"Lord, help m-"

She was never able to get the final word out, as a crossbow bolt hit her in the back of the neck and emerged halfway out the front. Meanwhile, the man who shot her only paused briefly before heading out. "I guess if you don't finish your prayer the Lord can't quite understand what you mean," he said to nobody in particular, smirking. Bertha fell over dead, and the Hagia Sophia's remodeling had begun.

That morning, the Captain of the Guard took roll call and discovered two more soldiers were missing. Today, Big George, also known as DaveShack, and Bertha, who also went by LazyMcCrow, were the victims.

"Well," the Captain said, "One thing I can tell you is that due to the kills being consistent, we are still facing two Ottomans. Take from that what you will, but we still have a lot of work ahead of us. Best of luck to all of us."

It is now Day 4! Voting will last for 24 hours.

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Still alive: (18)
Luigi
Furio
Angelo
Tony
Anne
Silvio
Giuseppe
Little Leo
Fat Tony
Vinny
Mickey
Bugsy
Maria
Emilio
Junior
Vito
Richie
Sonny

Killed:
Chickenman (Cjreynol)
Vincent (Subotan)
Fredo (rickinator9)
Claudia (Double A)
Big George (DaveShack)
Bertha (LazyMcCrow)

Executed:
Paulie (Csargo)
Scarface (issaikhaan)
Fingers (Diamondeye)

Player list:
Subotan
Zack
Montmorency
Arjos
The King
Captain Blackadder
LazyMcCrow
Ishmael
Double A
scottishranger
Chaotix
Askthepizzaguy
classical_hero
Visorslash
landlubber
God Emperor
edse
atheotes
Cjreynol
DaveShack
Diamondeye
autolycus
issaikhaan
Riedquat
BSmith
Csargo
rickinator9

[[MAFIA] Angelo]

Vote: Fat Tony

[[MAFIA] Mickey]

vote: Maria. This will work eventually.

[[MAFIA] Anne]

Maria;2053418003']FoS: Anne, Leo

Care to explain why you FoSed me? At night?