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A friend of mine just said I should try weed. Not unusual really, I've had other friends tell me that before. It just seems a little bit weirder, scarier even as of now.
While I'm not in any way scared of weed itself, I don't get involved with drugs. Only a mild (1 glass) of alcohol from time to time. Even if I lived in the Netherlands; where it's legal, I still wouldn't try it.
Problem is, well. It's illegal here. Well, every drug besides alcohol and tobacco is. And it's punishable by jail. Which in this country means, instant death sentence, why? Most people that are punished with any sort of drug-related crime tend to have been associated with a gang or another.
So you know, it's a bit unnerving when you think about it. Just wanted to share to the good people of the org.
Start a discussion. People argue. We have fun.
~Jirisys ()
a completely inoffensive name
01-28-2012, 06:52
I didn't know Newt Gingrich was president of El Salvador.
No, stupid people are.
If I don't post for more than a year, you can send flowers.
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Sasaki Kojiro
01-28-2012, 07:48
Just don't do it...
Just don't do it...
Obviously.
I wanted to start a discussion on the predicament of the situation here.
~Jirisys ()
PanzerJaeger
01-28-2012, 08:05
It's not as great as it's made out to be. I've had much better times with alcohol. It is more of a way for people to bond through shared bad behavior and a common culture. If it were legalized tomorrow, it would lose quite a bit of its allure. In my opinion, the lame highs I got was certainly not worth substantial legal risks that came with them. That's the American undergrad experience, though.
Little misunderstanding, weed isn't legal here, the law just turns a blind eye with personal use. Coke also isn't legal but you won't get into any trouble if you have a small amount. Everything changes if you have a lot, that makes you a dealer and it can get you into trouble. You probably won't go to jail but you really don't want it on your record, you can forget about getting a normal job for a while
I think that marijuana should be legalized, but to me drugs are a waste of time and I don't do them. Jirisys I'm a little confused though do you not want to smoke weed because it's illegal or is it for other reasons?
Strike For The South
01-28-2012, 09:12
I think that marijuana should be legalized, but to me drugs are a waste of time and I don't do them. Jirisys I'm a little confused though do you not want to smoke weed because it's illegal or is it for other reasons?
Dont knock it till you try it
Alcohol>weed
Dont knock it till you try it
Alcohol>weed
Well I've tried alcohol already. The feeling might be different from other drugs but it's basically the same concept right? Anyways I tried alcohol and I decided I prefer being alert and in control of myself.
CountArach
01-28-2012, 09:47
I generally think it is worth trying, but it isn't the great thing that people make it out as.
spankythehippo
01-28-2012, 11:37
I used to smoke weed a lot. But I'm not an addict. It was more of a recreational thing. It's all up to personal choice. To me, I don't care about the authorities, so I do what I want to do. Frankly, if I wanted to kill someone, I would. But I don't.
You only live once, don't let someone else decide what's good for you. Don't let natural selection be artificial selection. Being able to decide what's good for you is critical in life. Me? Well, I don't really care about anything, except things that I'm passionate about. My health is not one of them.
Don't take this the wrong way. Assess the situation. Do you want to do it? If yes, then do it. As long as it doesn't harm others, why should they care? Except for people who are close, it might matter to them. Again, I'm not condoning it, nor am I condemning it.
And with weed, you have to know the consequences. Both legally AND physiologically.
Not that I condone illegal behaviour, or drug use, but magic mushrooms are the wonder drug.
You've never had weed until you've had Lemon White Rhino. True story.
Montmorency
01-28-2012, 13:58
When you die you're going to regret the things you don't do. You think you're queer? I'm going to tell you something: we're all queer. You think you're a thief? So what? You get befuddled by a middle-class morality? Get shut of it. Shut it out. You cheat on your wife? You did it, live with it. You :daisy: little girls, so be it. There's an absolute morality? Maybe. And then what? If you think there is, go ahead, be that thing. Bad people go to hell? I don't think so. If you think that, act that way. A hell exists on earth? Yes. I won't live in it. That's me. You only live once, don't let someone else decide what's good for you. Don't let natural selection be artificial selection. Being able to decide what's good for you is critical in life. Don't take this the wrong way. Assess the situation. Do you want to do it? If yes, then do it. As long as it doesn't harm others, why should they care?
Interesting.
Don't do it. Just drink a bottle of vodka like a responsible adult.
and far less dangerous than alcohol
How do you figure? :inquisitive:
You'll feel thoughtful, lethargic, amused, and generally pretty happy for about an hour
... or you'll feel nothing, and then go straight to sleep, as has happened every time the lemur has tried the stuff. I'd much rather have a Guinness.
Not that I condone illegal behaviour, or drug use, but magic mushrooms are the wonder drug.
Now that, my friends, is a mind-altering experience. In a fun way. Not compatible with my lifestyle right now, but maybe when the kids are grown and gone ...
How do you figure? :inquisitive:
It's the whole effective dose vs. toxic dose measurement. Alcohol is actually kinda toxic; overdosing on weed is next to impossible. There are some nice charts of this, let me see if I can find one ...
https://img.photobucket.com/albums/v489/Lemurmania/DrugDoses-FatalvsEffective.jpg
Obviously.
I wanted to start a discussion on the predicament of the situation here.
~Jirisys ()
what predicament? you are obviously not interested...seems like an easy enough situation to figure out.
I don´t do any drugs, but I do have friends that do on occasion....if everyone respects eachothers choices this should not be a problem
I was actually not aware of all that....
Knowledge is good. Thank you.
Not that I condone illegal behaviour, or drug use, but magic mushrooms are the wonder drug.
Now that, my friends, is a mind-altering experience. In a fun way. Not compatible with my lifestyle right now, but maybe when the kids are grown and gone ...
It also can scare the bejebus outta you, holy cow... [hypothetically] if it goes to a place that has the same feel as The Butthole Surfers Sweat Loaf (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYGoougMHSQ) then.... phewff...
what predicament? you are obviously not interested...seems like an easy enough situation to figure out.
I don´t do any drugs, but I do have friends that do on occasion....if everyone respects eachothers choices this should not be a problem
Obviously not MY predicament, the predicament of people who use it here. Besides, I don't want my friend to go to jail either if he's caught, though police make a blind eye to drugs as long as the users don't cause trouble. But yes. Legally a leaf should send you to jail for possession.
Also, I wanted some personal experience about the most experienced users here.
Also, if it would be legal, and could be made into a nice tea or as a sauce to accompany my meal. I wouldn't mind having some. Though I don't know if the taste would be any good. I wouldn't smoke it though, legal or otherwise. I detest smoking anything.
~Jirisys ()
a completely inoffensive name
01-28-2012, 23:09
I don't poison myself with drugs. God knows my body is already sick from the food I eat.
spankythehippo
01-29-2012, 01:10
Interesting.
Changing my words around, eh?
Montmorency
01-29-2012, 08:13
That wasn't you? :P
spankythehippo
01-29-2012, 10:49
On the west coast, due to the semi-legal nature of weed and the prominence of commercial (well, technically, I think they're non-profit) dispensaries, it is very common to see marijuana edibles. I've seen everything from weed candy, to weed butter, to weed fortune cookies.
Hash brownies are the :daisy: yo.
InsaneApache
01-29-2012, 11:33
I remember at a free festival in the '70s a rather fetching lady came amongst the assembled throng doling out Mother Normals Moroccan cake for a quid a slice. So far I havn't seen them in Asda or Tesco. More's the pity. :disguise:
It also can scare the bejebus outta you, holy cow...
Ya, not sure I would recommend, a bad trip can be scary. It's still for pancies though, local smartshop sells some sort of native-american drug, forgot the name. Lasts only 5 minutes but geez
spankythehippo
01-29-2012, 12:49
Ya, not sure I would recommend, a bad trip can be scary. It's still for pancies though, local smartshop sells some sort of native-american drug, forgot the name. Lasts only 5 minutes but geez
I heard some gas stations in America sell K2 (or something like that). And it's also a :daisy:ty version of weed.
Ya, not sure I would recommend, a bad trip can be scary. It's still for pancies though, local smartshop sells some sort of native-american drug, forgot the name. Lasts only 5 minutes but geez
Salvia? DMT?
Ya, not sure I would recommend, a bad trip can be scary. It's still for pancies though, local smartshop sells some sort of native-american drug, forgot the name. Lasts only 5 minutes but geez
Peyote?
Peyote?
Heh. Peyote lasts A LOT longer than 5 minutes.
'That Indian stuff', I'll ask it next time
It sounds like Salvia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvia_divinorum) to me.
Could be it, we get it in capsule so I can't be sure
Almost everything the smartshop sells is in capsules
Huh. I must be out of touch. I saw shrooms in capsules a few weeks back and thought "Well, that's pretty neat."
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That's kinda funny, it's almost everything as mushrooms aren't. How is that handled in the States by the way, was kinda surprised that the stuff in your wiki is legal there. You can just buy herbal's in stores?
What do you mean with 'I got a card', is that slang or actually a card
Heh. Peyote lasts A LOT longer than 5 minutes.
lol well like I said I've never done drugs so I don't know any better, that was just my first guess :sweatdrop:
At a dispensary you can get weed, salvia, or any other stuff that happens to be legal (DMT, or "Spice," could be bought at some gas stations in Texas as recently as a year ago--perfectly legal, although I haven't seen any of that crap here in Oregon).
Speaking of Spice, they banned it here in Utah not too long ago. Not only did they ban it, but they made a HUGE deal out if it, they talked about in the news and on the radio, and my local city government held free seminars so they could "educate the public". The reason they banned it was so that they could "protect our children from the dangers of Spice". When I was in high school, any kid that wanted alcohol or weed could get it. The city government wasn't protecting anyone, they were just making fools of themselves.
No, for reals, that crap is bad for you. A lot of soldiers were messing around with it when I was in the Army before they officially made it against army rules. People try to smoke it like weed, which is just stupid. Spice is synthetic, dangerous, and you can overdose on it. Seen it happen.
Weed, on the other hand, couldn't kill you if you smoked yourself sober.
Huh I didn't know that. Here in Utah, the majority of the population are Mormon, so we live in this weird cultural bubble where stuff like drugs isn't very common. It's still there, and like I said before it's not too hard to get a hold of (at least that's what it seemed like to me from hanging out with people who smoked weed), but if you don't spend time with people who do that kind of stuff you don't really know about it or understand it. So when they banned spice, I just assumed that people were freaking out and making a big deal out of nothing.
I forget which druggie author wrote it, but I always remember the line: "Drugs are your friends, and you wouldn't abuse your friends, would you? So don't abuse your drugs."
Of course, what he meant was that drugs use should be moderate and responsible. He was arguing for recreational use, as opposed to giving your life over to chemicals.
My father had a great line, based on his experience with opium while serving in the middle east: "Everybody has their drug. If you're very unfortunate, you will meet yours."
To illustrate this, think of an alcoholic who cannot feel normal or functional without a drink. Then contrast that with a normal person, who can have a few beers with friends and then function for the week sober. To my mind, this is the distinction between a responsible and irresponsible drug user. The twisted thing is that it's very hard to recognize irresponsible use when you're the one doing it.
I can't smoke, for example. Nicotine is my drug. Some people can have a cig or two at a party and get on with their life, no problem. But I can't smoke responsibly. One smoke becomes two becomes three becomes a pack a day. So I have to steer clear of cigarettes. Can't even smoke a cigar, 'cause they function as a gateway drug for me. Cigars and/or pipes lead to a cigarette which leads to ... you know the story.
I'll say this; proportionately, I have known more responsible, functioning potheads than responsible, functioning alcoholics.
I think video games, junk food, or any other extreme obsession just as likely.
That kinda confuses the issue; obsessive behavior (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compulsive_behavior) is different from chemical addiction (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Substance_dependence). You cannot become addicted to video games in the strict chemical sense. Sure, you can behave irresponsibly and devote way more time to them than you should, and it could begin to look a lot like a compulsion, but that's a whole 'nother animal from chemical dependency.
I read too much, for example. Can't go to sleep most nights without a half-hour to hour of reading. Doesn't matter what. Could be a novel, a magazine, a non-fiction book, makes no nevermind. I just have to read before I go to sleep. It's ridiculous to say that I am "addicted" to reading; rather, I have a habit that borders on a compulsion.
But ask anyone who has tried to quit smoking, and they'll tell you that letting go of a chemical that you need to feel normal is a whole different order of twitching facial muscles.
-edit-
Just remembered the source of the quote above: George Alec Effinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Alec_Effinger). Irrelevant, I know, but it was bothering me that I couldn't remember who wrote that line.
Its worth pointing out that everyone knows "medical marijuana" is a load of crap. You walk into a doctor's office and you're more or less garunteed the card, unless you're just really unlucky. Its a relatively harmless drug that shouldn't have been illegal in the first place, and most of the country is starting to realize it. Here in Oregon, we've always known it.
Something like this (http://penny-arcade.com/comic/2011/04/15)...
InsaneApache
01-31-2012, 05:37
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spankythehippo
01-31-2012, 10:48
I, honestly, have never personally been able to tell the difference. I'm not addicted to the chemicals in cigarettes, but I am addicted to the activity. I break up my day in terms of smoke breaks, and I really wouldn't know what to do if I deviated from that pattern. But maybe that's just the chemical reaction being rationalized by my mind?
Speaking as someone with a lot of wierd habits (and many of them bad) it can be very difficult to tell the difference between obsessive or compulsive behaviour and an actual chemical addiction. I just try to look at it as all being part of the same addictive urge, which makes it easier to do everything in rationed moderation. But that, in itself, is probably a compulsion. Tricky right?
Whenever I find out that a friend of mine used to/or still smokes cigarettes, I ask them why. "Why did you pick it up in the first place?"
I got a mixture of results.
"Because it seemed cool."
"I just wanted to try it."
"I needed it to calm my nerves."
Out of those three, the third one is the most dangerous. Because not only are you physically addicted, but you have brought yourself to believe that you need it. It is easier to stop an addiction if a person has no reason for being addicted, except for the fact that they are. People that answered with the 3rd response have justified their addiction, which is, in a way, defending it.
I used to smoke weed casually. Maybe once every month and a half. I wasn't addicted at all. I could function fine without it.
Ya, not sure I would recommend, a bad trip can be scary. It's still for pancies though, local smartshop sells some sort of native-american drug, forgot the name. Lasts only 5 minutes but geez
sounds like DMT/Ayahuasca
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grcqs9cDuN8
I don´t do drugs but interestingly I tend to like stuff done by people that get high like comedians and musicians.
you should check out the Joe Rogan Podcast, man that guy goes through some trippy rants.
Whenever I find out that a friend of mine used to/or still smokes cigarettes, I ask them why. "Why did you pick it up in the first place?"
"I needed it to calm my nerves."
How would that account for first use? theoretically you would not know it would calm you down or not? right?
It does calm your nerves though, and I don't know if that's becuase of the chemicals or because its a familiar repetitive act, but it does calm your nerves.
It's the chemical. Nicotine functions as both a mild stimulant and relaxant. My first cig involved a chronic misunderstanding between me and a teenage Moroccan soldier. When the gun was put in my belly, I thought, "But I'm an American!" which I am sure has been the last thought of Americans for at least a century. Anyway, when the situation was resolved I was offered a smoke by a street hustler. It did, in fact, calm my nerves, which were more-than-normally shattered.
While we're on the subject of drugs, there's a fascinating new look at how shrooms work which you can read here (http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/24/magic-mushrooms-expand-the-mind-by-dampening-brain-activity/#ixzz1kPsj7BRc).
Lemur, you sound like you've got some stories that would be fantastic over a beer and a bowl.
I've gotten myself into some ridiculous situations. The one with the teen soldier, however, was not my fault. And yeah, it was the best cigarette of my life. There was some sweet mint tea involved as well, but it didn't make as big of an impression.
While we're on the subject of drugs, there's a fascinating new look at how shrooms work which you can read here (http://healthland.time.com/2012/01/24/magic-mushrooms-expand-the-mind-by-dampening-brain-activity/#ixzz1kPsj7BRc).
So it is like taking a squeegee to your third eye. :yes:
The spice must flow ...
:laugh4: Goddamn that movie!
Reducing the brain’s activity interfered with its normal ability to filter out stimuli, allowing participants to see afresh what would ordinarily have been dismissed as irrelevant or as background noise. They described having wandering thoughts, dreamlike perceptions, geometric visual hallucinations and other unusual changes in their sensory experiences, like sounds triggering visual images.
Intriguing to know the mechanics behind the magic.
All antidepressant treatments studied so far — from Prozac, ketamine, electroconvulsive therapy and talk therapy to placebo — reduce activity in the mPFC when they are effective. Since psilocybin does the same, Carhart-Harris and his colleagues plan to study it as a treatment for depression. “It shuts off this ruminating area and allows the mind to work more freely,” he says. “That’s a strong indication of the potential of psilocybin as a treatment for depression.”
Without a doubt. In the right setting LSD and Mushrooms can be very powerful healing tools. Shut-down those areas of the brain that interfere and think clearly for once.
lol well like I said I've never done drugs so I don't know any better, that was just my first guess :sweatdrop:
Peyote: 5 to 8 hours. Mescaline (key substance in peyote): 12-18 hours.
Big difference! :beam:
Every bad trip that has ever happened has been because the person was not prepared for what was about to happen.
Or did it in the wrong place!
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