Comedy is a cultural-marxist thing designed to oppress the Free Racists.

[HoreTore]

Hello again, everyone. This isn't breaking news, but it's still an interesting story I'd like to share with you...

A month or so after 22/7, the norwegian comedy/debate/surrealism-show "Trygdekontoret"(The Welfare Office, in english), added a new character: Heine Fjordland. A multi-handicapped and drooling Internet Freedom Fighter aka racist blogger. Some may have seen some similarities with another racist blogger, the now infamous "Fjordman", aka Peder Jensen, aka Little Goldielocks. As was to be predicted, his favourite not-at-all-racist supporters went into (http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/09/how-totalitarian-democracy-avoids.html) PMS-mode (http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/11/deconstructing-heine-fjordland.html).

This HAD to be a government sanctioned attack on Fjordman personally!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111

Never mind that Fjordman is an irrelevant nobody which nobody cares about, never mind that Trygdekontoret is a comedy show, even if they base their comedy on a surreal form of political debate*. Never mind that the character had been planned six months before anyone had heard about Fjordman. No, this had obviously been demanded from the cultural marxist elite who secretly runs the country!!

Paranoia set in, and the not-racists went deeper and deeper into their conspiranoia. Most amusing is an article on his name (http://gatesofvienna.blogspot.com/2011/09/mixing-beauty-and-filth-its-complicated.html), which coincidentally is the same name the head of the teachers education in Drammen has... Screw the long-standing tradition norwegian comedians has for picking unusual names for their characters, the name obviously has a deeper meaning. Why? Because it fits the conspiracy, that's why.

And they wonder why nobody takes them seriously.......







*The point of the show according to its host, Thomas Seltzer, is to "put all the brightest minds of the norwegian cultural and intellectual elite together, and discuss complete nonsense".

[Fragony]

Fjordman racist? Show me.

[rory_20_uk]

Clarkson is often hounded for comments he says. Some notable ones were a complain by truckdrivers when he implied that they are all serial killers. Another time he got into trouble for calling people selfish who commit suicide by jumping in front of trains. Then there was the time he upset Mexicans, and even smoked in the TV studio!!!

Squealing in outrage at any perceived slight appears to be the national pastime in the UK, and I'm not surprised it's contagious.

But let's get things in perspective. This outburst is nothing compared to the reactions of some thousands of miles away from pictures of one person managed to cause. It appears that the Eeeevil Racists have resisted death threats or bombing anyone.

~:smoking:

[HoreTore]

Clarkson is often hounded for comments he says. Some notable ones were a complain by truckdrivers when he implied that they are all serial killers. Another time he got into trouble for calling people selfish who commit suicide by jumping in front of trains. Then there was the time he upset Mexicans, and even smoked in the TV studio!!!

Squealing in outrage at any perceived slight appears to be the national pastime in the UK, and I'm not surprised it's contagious.

But let's get things in perspective. This outburst is nothing compared to the reactions of some thousands of miles away from pictures of one person managed to cause. It appears that the Eeeevil Racists have resisted death threats or bombing anyone.

~:smoking:

It is their thoughts I find highly amusing, not their actions, as their actions are limited to marching around with their faces covered.

And marching with masks is kinda dull IMO.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Why is he disabled?

That seems odd.

To be fair, Rory, they have just had a Right Wing Nut in Norway who issued death threats, planted a bomb and then went postal at a youth camp.

On the other hand, Norway Scandanavia seems to breed extremes at both ends, Stieg Larsson comes to mind - a reverse racist who condemned anyone who critisised forced marriage among minorities and believed some sort of Right-Wing government/paramilitary agents were out to get him. In short, another man full of his own self importance - which does nothing to detract from the quality of his books.

[HoreTore]

Why is he disabled?

That seems odd.

The name of the show is "The welfare office". To be on welfare, you need some kind of condition... His role on the show is as a pitcher, someone who makes a statement which is then discussed by a panel. The other character doing that is an extremely obese ex-rock 'n' roll guy.

[rory_20_uk]

To be fair, Rory, they have just had a Right Wing Nut in Norway who issued death threats, planted a bomb and then went postal at a youth camp.

Yes, but the protests about a picture numbered in their thousands, if not millions. This person appears to be alone and I believe has been found to be mentally ill.

~:smoking:

[HoreTore]

Yes, but the protests about a picture numbered in their thousands, if not millions. This person appears to be alone and I believe has been found to be mentally ill.

~:smoking:

White terrorists: Insane.
Brown terrorists: Evil.


This is Hamsun all over again... I wonder if we'll get a sequel to "Paa gjengrodde stier".

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

White terrorists: Insane.
Brown terrorists: Evil.


This is Hamsun all over again... I wonder if we'll get a sequel to "Paa gjengrodde stier".

No, they're all insane and evil, after all no sane man would be evil. QED.

[rory_20_uk]

White terrorists: Insane.
Brown terrorists: Evil.


This is Hamsun all over again... I wonder if we'll get a sequel to "Paa gjengrodde stier".

I believe that he has a psychiatric assessment to state that he was insane. I also did not comment on whether "brown terrorists" are insane and / or evil.

Both insanity and evil are subjective. One person's evil action might be logical from their standpoint; those who believe in persons rising from the dead are not all insane.

~:smoking:

[Tellos Athenaios]

One person's evil action might be logical from their standpoint; those who believe in persons rising from the dead are not all insane.
But in both cases, I would add, deluded.

[Papewaio]

Father dead. Check
Kill all my legitimate brothers. Check
Do as I please and upset the populace and then repent. Check

Some would call that evil no? But I'm certainly not insane.

Can you name this king?

[Fragony]

I believe that he has a psychiatric assessment to state that he was insane.

Think that has to with being able to put him away for good, life prison isn't really for life in NorwayI don't buy it. RAF wasn't insane, ETA and IRA aren't insane. He knew what he was doing.

[HoreTore]

Whether or not he is declared insanse has nothing to do with putting him away for good, he can be put away for good either way. Either through "forvaring", which is basically a life sentence unless he is found not to be a threat(highly unlikely given what he wrote in his manifest) or in a mental hospital(which will probably be built as a special area of the high-security prison), where he can be kept until sane. If found sane, he can be transferred to regular prison, as the former.

Anyway, an update: the report declaring him insane has been widely critized, both by phsyciatrists and ABB himself. The court has appointed two new people to do a report on him, even though he says he refuses to talk to them. The prosecutor has opened for asking for both prison sentence and mental institution. In addition, the woman checking him at the prison found him sane.

[Fragony]

What's your opinion on allowing the interview, can't imagine those affected are ok with that. Journalism at it's most predatory if you ask me, will no doubt be a fascinating interview but wtf?

[Hax]

Papewaio, I think fratricide was quite common during the Ottoman empire.

[Subotan]

Clarkson is often hounded for comments he says. Some notable ones were a complain by truckdrivers when he implied that they are all serial killers. Another time he got into trouble for calling people selfish who commit suicide by jumping in front of trains. Then there was the time he upset Mexicans, and even smoked in the TV studio!!!

Squealing in outrage at any perceived slight appears to be the national pastime in the UK, and I'm not surprised it's contagious.

I dunno, if I was a truck driver, and the most popular television personality in the country called me a serial killer, I think I'd be pretty upset. In any case, the main problem with Clarkson is that he's a big baby who can't handle what he dishes out. Remember that time when Greenpeace dumped a load of dung on his drive? He went absolutely batpoop crazy.

[rory_20_uk]

If Clarkson had said that a particular truck driver was a serial killer that would be something different. He had said it as a clearly offhand comment whilst reviewing a truck. He has also in the past stated that certain cars would only be purchased by the mafia. What about the bit where they had to assess which boot was large enough to accomodate a body - as obviously only murderers would have the cars? He is not presenting Newsnight or Panorama. There is a very clear line as to what in the show is fact (details concerning the cars in the main) and what is fiction (some of the more outlandish comments about the cars and other throwaway comments).

There is enough of the TV that is sanitised to ensure that we get a "Millenium Dome" approach where although it offends no one is is utterly boring.

Many people say derogatory things about him, and that's fine. I don't think that he has caused damage to Greenpeace or anyone else, so I am not surprised that he is annoyed when someone damages his property. But then Greenpeace is always convinced about the virtue of whatever illegal activities they do.

~:smoking:

[HoreTore]

What's your opinion on allowing the interview, can't imagine those affected are ok with that. Journalism at it's most predatory if you ask me, will no doubt be a fascinating interview but wtf?

Inmates have a right to talk to the press, unless under special media restrictions, and that only applies when there's a risk of contaminating evidence(usually their own statements).

I see no reason to amend our laws because of this act. I just hope it won't be tabloid.

[Fragony]

Inmates have a right to talk to the press, unless under special media restrictions, and that only applies when there's a risk of contaminating evidence(usually their own statements).

I see no reason to amend our laws because of this act. I just hope it won't be tabloid.

We are not computers, there really isn't anything to talk about look at what he did. He has no right to speak, just because you have an opinion about something doesn't make you special

[HoreTore]

We are not computers, there really isn't anything to talk about look at what he did. He has no right to speak, just because you have an opinion about something doesn't make you special

Our constitution has this pesky little thing called "free speech" in it.

[Papewaio]

Papewaio, I think fratricide was quite common during the Ottoman empire.

True it was even the norm for all the brothers of the new Sultan to be eliminated.

Solomon the Wise would be considered evil and therefore insane by some definitions in this thread.

I do not subscribe to automatically assigning insanity to evil actions.

After all those who have been in positions of power through history have done things that are pretty ruthless and some have done some pretty evil things. Difference with being in power and a normal member of society is those on top tend to gather more power from their evil acts the rest of humanity get locked away. Insanity would be doing something illogical or without any logical payoff.

I don't think excusing those in power or labeling someone insane either punishes or resolves the issues. Understanding of he individual and removing pay offs for unsocial behaviour will have a much more positive impact.

[The Stranger]

Insanity would be doing something illogical or without any logical payoff

you mean like drinking beer?

[HoreTore]

you mean like drinking beer?

Spoken like a tee-totaller.

The pay-offs to drinking beer are fun, social interaction and drunken sex.

Can't beat that.

[The Stranger]

ay, but he was not talking about pay-off, but logical pay-off... i have taken that to mean rational (i dont really know what else he would mean) and i dont think drunken sex and fun are very rational things :P

anyway i hope it was a definition put out there in jest, otherwise its a pretty poor definition, even tho definitions usually fall short of the mark, this one misses it completely :P

[Viking]

You can read it as pay-off deductible from logic. E.g. I pull out the tooth that causes me pain to stop toothache versus cutting my little toe off instead.

Though, obviously, it would have to be defined through probability: again and again coming to conclusions that have abnormally low probabilities for being true compared to other ones.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Papewaio, I think fratricide was quite common during the Ottoman empire.

That description also applies to many Anglo-Norman Kings, though.