SS 6.4 - "Europa I" - Late Era

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Egypt up Nightbringer.

[Nightbringer]

HRE up. freakkriek
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10177

[freakkriek]

Rougeman
england up5641

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Reminder Rougeman.

[Rougeman]

Mithridate

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Reminder Mithridate...

[Mithridate]

Novgorod LooseCannon1

The old Caliph had been struck down by an awfull fever lasting for weeks, no healer being able to cure his ailings. In his sickness he constanty went on about scotland, the holy and the new tide. His ravings went on and on, over and over with little intelligable beyond that being made out. Minswar, his heir and ruler in all but name took this as a message from the gods, the dying last wish of his great father to dispatch a force to conquer Scotland. In a year they should reach land and where probably going to pass Caernarvon next season.

The moorish people have little interest in those lands, but perhaps some great artifact could be found and taken back over the raging seas to the sands, at least it would improve relations with the English whom had yet to beat the highlanders according to the people of france now conquered.

A golden age of trade and prosperity awaited under the firm yet just rule of Minswar.

The Morrish Caliph is dead, all hail the new caliph!

[LooseCannon1]

Crusaders up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10184)Myth

[Myth]

Sicilly up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10185) Dallor

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Reminder Dallor.

[freakkriek]

Dallor asked me to sub him, if he couldn't play
i have to sub him by this evening so the save will be up this evening by 6 o'clock

[Dallor]

5790

Nightbringer

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Reminder Nightbringer.

[Nightbringer]

will have it done very soon, sorry about the wait

[Nightbringer]

HRE up!
freakkriek
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10191

[freakkriek]

Since i have an exam tomorrow i'll play tomorrow but late probably
i thought i should give a heads up

[freakkriek]

5824

Rougeman

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Reminder Rougeman.

[Rougeman]

Mithridate

[Mithridate]

LooseCannon1 ur up

[LooseCannon1]

Crusaders up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10198)Myth

[Myth]

Sicilly up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10202) Dallor.

Everyone's been quiet. What words of Europe?

[freakkriek]

eu what's going on here?? =)

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Skipped. Egypt up Nightbringer.

[Mithridate]

Moors prosperous, Sicily got an iron grip of italy, HRE got central europe in his pocket and England is cleaning up Scotland.

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Reminder Nightbringer.

[Nightbringer]

The ayyubids continue their successful campaigns to the North and East, destroying the Seljuks utterly, breaking the might of the Hungarian army, and preparing to enter Khwarezmian territory.

HRE up freakkriek!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10206

[freakkriek]

I'm afraid I am going to have to skip one turn. Exams are havin me occupied till monday and I can't ask you guys to wait for an other 2 days. Sorry for this.

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Its okay, i will wait.

[freakkriek]

Rougeman

England is up 5918

THX for waiting on me :p

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Reminder Rougeman.

[Rougeman]

Mithridate

[Mithridate]

LooseCannon1

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Reminder LooseCannon1.

[LooseCannon1]

Crusaders up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10212) Sorry, did this right away but forgot to post save. Myth or whomever is subbing him

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Loose failed to send me the save so i was forced to substitute him aswell. Jerusalem also subbed. New passwords were sent. Going to update first post soon.

Sicily up Dallor.

[LooseCannon1]

Loose failed to send me the save so i was forced to substitute him aswell. Jerusalem also subbed. New passwords were sent. Going to update first post soon.

Sicily up Dallor.
What are you talking about? I posted the save. You click the linked "Crusaders up" and you go to the download. You message asking me to sub Myth was not received until 30 minutes while ago so I've barely had a chance to reply. Did you replay my turn?

[Nightbringer]

I'm not sure what ended up happening, but if loosecannon's turn was accidentally subbed, I can play myth's turn at any time if I get the PW.
LooseCannon1
Húrin the Steadfast

[Myth]

I'm here, I can play my turn if it's still up.

Húrin the Steadfast
Nightbringer
LooseCannon1

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Okay this was a mess. First Loose not receiving messages and then my not noticing the download link...
Loose if you are still up for it, replay your turn but do it fast. I don't want to waste any more time. If Loose does play his turn, then Myth and Nightbringer can ignore the messages i sent them yesterday about new passwords.

Also i decided to change the time schedule to more loose, since it is summer. Now you have 72 hours instead of 24 hours to play your turn, however that does not mean you should wait for the last second, if you can play it sooner then please do.

[Nightbringer]

I think it will work if myth just uses the save that loosecannon uploaded. That would be following the normal procedure and should work alright. Unless I am missing something.

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Yes that is what i meant.

[Myth]

Sicilly up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10222) Dallor

Do we continue posting our IC posts here?

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Yes. In Character posts should be posted here as before.

[Húrin the Steadfast]

I skipped Dallor since he hasnt been online in a long while. Egypt up Nightbringer.

[Nightbringer]

Does anyone know an alternative way to contact him? Maybe an account on the .net?

[Húrin the Steadfast]

I didn't find his account on .net so i do not believe so. I think he just quit.

[Nightbringer]

I didn't find his account on .net so i do not believe so. I think he just quit.

I tried pming him since that sends a notification by email to some people, but if he doesn't show up by the end of today I will play my turn.

[freakkriek]

you can just play. I just contacted him, he is on holiday till 1 august so till then you can count him out.

[Nightbringer]

HRE up freakkriek
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10226

[freakkriek]

ok the save will be up by tomorrow evening

EDIT:

Sorry guys won't be able to play this turn, you can skip me

Húrin the Steadfast

[Húrin the Steadfast]

England up Rougeman.

[Rougeman]

Mithridate

[Mithridate]

Lot to type, will make it proper after sleep but heres the rundown

War declared on england under imperialism, we betray an alliance in doing so. Took a castle with spies.
the reason sounds like going under agression tho^^: Agression, the irish, scottish and french all cry out for help against this most agressive conqueror attacking them without cause. Their land must be protected and we thereby lay claim to them from the english, we will lead them into an era of freedom and prosperity!

The scottish prince have betrayed his father and is under siege by us, they will become our protectorate once he is dealth with as his father wish. England must back down from ireland and scotland alike whom will beu nder our rule. France whom is not under HRE rule must as well (caen and rennes the westernmost town are to be ours) Wales are happy with england for some reason, or they hate us enough.

As we followed the ravings of the late caliph we where touched at the opresseds suffering and can not obide any longer.
We ask the most honorable HRE to stay out of the war despite being englands ally, we and the many opressed nations would be in your debt.

-minswar caliph of the moors

LooseCannon1 Húrin the Steadfast
Screens to come, one siege and spies pics

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Reminder LooseCannon1.

[LooseCannon1]

Crusaders up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10235) Myth

[Myth]

Dallor Sicilly up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10239)

[Húrin the Steadfast]

I skipped Sicily, because he hasnt been online in a month and refused to respond to any of my messages. Ingame i sided with Moors in Moorish-English war, because i couldnt end the turn without picking a side. The side pick does not mean anything, anyone could still side with England instead. Therefore Sicily position is now open.

Egypt up Nightbringer.

[Mithridate]

That sux...

I hope the new player approves of previous dealings, when we have one :)

[Nightbringer]

Alrighty, HRE up freakkriek
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10243

[Rougeman]

Lot to type, will make it proper after sleep but heres the rundown

War declared on england under imperialism, we betray an alliance in doing so. Took a castle with spies.
the reason sounds like going under agression tho^^: Agression, the irish, scottish and french all cry out for help against this most agressive conqueror attacking them without cause. Their land must be protected and we thereby lay claim to them from the english, we will lead them into an era of freedom and prosperity!

The scottish prince have betrayed his father and is under siege by us, they will become our protectorate once he is dealth with as his father wish. England must back down from ireland and scotland alike whom will beu nder our rule. France whom is not under HRE rule must as well (caen and rennes the westernmost town are to be ours) Wales are happy with england for some reason, or they hate us enough.

As we followed the ravings of the late caliph we where touched at the opresseds suffering and can not obide any longer.
We ask the most honorable HRE to stay out of the war despite being englands ally, we and the many opressed nations would be in your debt.

-minswar caliph of the moors

LooseCannon1 Húrin the Steadfast
Screens to come, one siege and spies pics

actually, my king, Henry III, was called by the Irish King to quell the rebellion in connaught, in return he would become his loyal vassal.

and why call us oppressors of the french? you have invaded france, portugal, castille and aragon, all these people(french, portuguese, castillian and catalan) are being forced to convert, and you call us agressors? perhaps the crusades were called on the wrong place?

to my allies the Italians (Sicily) and Germans (HRE) help us in this agressive war, and we ask the people of the east in the holy land if they want the opportunity of lands to conquor, because the moors look like a ripe target with them concentrating on England



Man, i cant believe you attacked me, even though i half-expected you to attack, i thought my alliance with the HRE would detter you, now i have to delay my attack on norway.

[Myth]

The Crusader States diplomat had returned to the grand meeting hall following his abrupt exit some days ago. He rubbed the stubble on his chin and regarded the two quarrelling men. His tabard was a white cross on black cloth. One elderly scholar had remarked it resembled the robes of a priest of Saturn, and that had not amused the Hospitallier knight over-much.

" 'Twas necessary a century ago when the Seljuks harassed our pilgrims. They are reduced to a fledgling state now, and the Fatamid Caliph is a man of honour and culture. He shan't harm Christian believers nor impede trade in the region. I see the Moors of Africa follow the way of Jihad, and that causes more and more of our sworn brothers to fret over their homelands and their families. We have Franks and Enlgish, Burgundians and Bavarians, Danes and Venetians. All manner of European folk has joined our ranks, and now news from our ancestral lands causes them to be torn between their duty to the Kingdom of Jerusalem and the Principality of Antioch and their desire to see to the safety of kin left behind in their father's castles and manors in Europe."

[Mithridate]

You forget that we co-existed in Iberia with the Christians, that they where the ones who broke the peace with their "Reconquista". After having put them down and instilled order never before seen in the Lands of Iberia whom have been at civil war since ancient times. As to the Irish, one or both of us have clearly been deceived! But to say they are willful subjects when half of ireland had to be conquered by arms seem unlikely as even the supposed irish royal line have "dissapeared".

We ask the HRE to stay out of this war, support your enemy as perhaps obliged but do not bring your armies to our borders for we have no quarrel with you sons of the great roman empire!
We are glad to see that noble Sicily honored their word to be our allies, but surprised to see that they had allied with the English whilst having been informed that a war with the English was a risk...

Lastly, if there where to be holy war... Our armies would number in the many tens of thousands, not a few thousand!

[Nightbringer]

The Caliph has little interest in such petty wars, and declares his neutrality in the struggle. If the Crusader states take part, such is their choice. However, if any action taken by any Western power threatens the interests of the Ayyubid Caliphate, then our wrath shall be most fearsome.

[Rougeman]

You forget that we co-existed in Iberia with the Christians, that they where the ones who broke the peace with their "Reconquista". After having put them down and instilled order never before seen in the Lands of Iberia whom have been at civil war since ancient times. As to the Irish, one or both of us have clearly been deceived! But to say they are willful subjects when half of ireland had to be conquered by arms seem unlikely as even the supposed irish royal line have "dissapeared".

We ask the HRE to stay out of this war, support your enemy as perhaps obliged but do not bring your armies to our borders for we have no quarrel with you sons of the great roman empire!
We are glad to see that noble Sicily honored their word to be our allies, but surprised to see that they had allied with the English whilst having been informed that a war with the English was a risk...

Lastly, if there where to be holy war... Our armies would number in the many tens of thousands, not a few thousand!

you also forget that the reconquista only began because your people a few centuries ago had conquored iberia and southern france, and infact the christians were the defenders, they were only recapturing what was captured long ago.

The rebellion was lead by one of the King's brothers, although he had much support from the knights and nobility, the people had not cared for what would happen, so long as they are not killed or robbed. The king had unfortunatly been assasinated, and the crown went to my lord so as to keep order in ireland, instead of another civil war erupting

also you wish for the HRE to not join, yet you know that we have a military alliance? do you now know what that means my enemy? i hope you do, for i do not want to explain to you myself.

at the very least you will lose prestige amongst the nobility of europe and look like a tyrant, and to the east, if you want to keep your neutrality, then i will not try to convince you, i am sure you have more importent matters, but if these moorish invaders were to successfully destroy the English Crown us, then the majority of europe will be under them, and they will be all the more harder to fight.

[Mithridate]

The moors cannot be held responsible for the Umayyads and their predecessors conquest and we always tried to obtain peace and prosperity, to then claim reconquest hundreds of years later when a vast majority of the populace where devout Muslims is nothing short of an excuse for war. As for the situation in ireland it must be said that the death must have been... most beneficial for you, no wonder so many have approached us not to mention Scotland still!

More important matters? Than the war with England and the relations with the rest of christian Europe? Dont be silly!
We have little desire in england itself but those oppressed must be liberated. Not to mention that the lost holy relic need to be found at any cost...

Both the HRE and Sicily have been promised peace under the heavens, no moor will ever raise their weapons against them unless they take up arms against us and they gave their promises as well. Nothing binds them not to aid you, but never with force of arms if they intend to honor their word. The same is granted to them, no man can say the moors does not honor promises!

[Myth]

"These are all fine words, but I have heard of no Muslim relics placed in Ireland. The conflict between Ireland, England, Scotland and Wales is older than your presence in Europe. If the English have united the isles under their rule yours is no place to meddle in such affairs. Or should we go and aid the Nubian tribes who used to inhabit your African holdings? Or perhaps the oppressed nations of Portugal, Leon, Castille and Aragorn? One can always find pretext to invade, and yours seems to be made of straw. You are asking no one to attack your eastern front so you can wage a single-minded war, but what will your promises hold once England falls, should it come to that? Would you perhaps go liberating the Swiss or restoring the Eastern Roman Empire? Or would you go seeking holy relics in Jerusalem?"

The knight seems both amused and serious as he replies, while he seats himself on the large table and waves to a servant who holds a tray with beverages.

[Mithridate]

The swizz? You mean the frankish tribes that squabbled with eachother untill they peacefully merged with what would become the HRE? They have told us naugh, neither would we be able to help them due to our promise of peace under allah. The muslims in sicily are treated well and even if evicted we would be bound by our oath.

The Numidians are no more so the key word would be "used to" unless you reffer to the depths of africa... The Tunisian regions are at a state of constant civil war however. They change rulers from time to time but remain as part of our caliphate and fight as our brothers when called upon. Attacking them would surely enrage your fatmid friends though, seeing how they established them!

As you say they fight over old wounds, wounds caused by Norsemen of old! We can end this strife and bring peace and prosperity as we have... The english do naught but build castles and wage wars as they oppress their people. If you desire pretext for invasion, you need not seek further than the cross brave but misguided knight.

phew, took a bit of googline xD

[freakkriek]

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Rougeman

After the discussion between the Moorish dignitary, English lord and the Templar, the Snake rises from the tabel and starts speaking

First of all, I'd like to note that the likelyhood that Moorish relics found themselves lost so far North seems highly unlikely. I can however understand the grieve you may feel when you think about those relics held in Christian hands.

Secondly, I would like to note that a serious clash between Christiandom and Islam can't really be found here since the Kingdom of England has found themselves excommunicated by removing the French people from the face of the earth. We however acknowledge that we ourselves have had a hand in the French defeat and will never forget the appreciated English help our Empire recieved.
The alliance with the Moorish people in our eyes has run his best course.

Thirdly, we would like to open a discussion between our christian brothers to decide how we should act on these Islamic progress into central Europe.

Next to the pressing subject i'd like to discuss the future of Italy. Since the King of Sicily has lost his mind, even his most loyal subjects call him "absent minded", the HRE retracts his protection and will take it upon themselves to bring Italy under their control. (Out of charac: Dallor won't be playing anytime soon, frankly i propose to turn him AI). The Fate of Rome can be discussed between us, so propositions are open.

To conclude this speach i would like to ask the Egyptian Caliph after their intentions, my kaiser had clearly stated that Hungarian territories would be German territories. At that moment no one declared they had problems with those plans however (after a period of inactivity i admit) when my spies returned to my War council they informed me of a great Egyptian expansion in Northern Direction EVEN reaching to Belgrade.

[Rougeman]

i need an extra 24 hours from now, sorry for the delay :sad:

[Nightbringer]

Fadi speaks
Had they been declared German? Well, it matters little as Hungarian lands are already held by the Ayyubids after their declaration of war upon us. We had no choice but to defend ourselves after all? Surely with your rich spoils in French, and more Northern parts you do not lack land. Additionally, if the Empire is moving into Italy to "maintain order," the Ayyubids too will have to secure the safety of the many Muslims who live in hiding throughout Southern Italy.

Italy is firmly in the sphere of interest of the Ayyubids, and it is our belief that central and parts of northern Italy should be under the control of the Crusader states, who alone are capable of giving the pope the respect he deserves.


OOC: I would like to wait another turn before we all eat Sicily if possible in case we get a new player for them.

[Mithridate]

Fadi speaks
OOC: I would like to wait another turn before we all eat Sicily if possible in case we get a new player for them.
Agreed, or I as a close ally to them could sub and hopefully make it hard for you ;)

[Nightbringer]

Agreed, or I as a close ally to them could sub and hopefully make it hard for you ;)

Yes, subbing for at least a turn for the time being, although its hard to say who should do it. Maybe novgorod would be neutral and that might be better? LooseCannon1

[Mithridate]

I think its better for me to sub as a neigbouring and steadfast ally, but as long as he aint AI :)

[Rougeman]

Nightbringer you might've edited mithridate's post :tongue:

Mithridate you're up

[Rougeman]

woops double post

[Mithridate]

But he is also allied with your new enemies. We can't really know whether he would have sided with you or england given the situation.
Damn you NH editing my post!!! xD ( is it not better to make a new post? )

He is not, and the plan was long since shared with him on a personal level... we´ve made plenty deals^^
But ofc, the seemingly honest guy COULD still have betrayed me.

The plan was however to invade several turns ago, but i grew unsure
and allied him a few turns instead before making up my mind to go through with it.

3 regions taken, 3 land battles and 2 sea battles won

LooseCannon1

[freakkriek]

OOC:
just recieved message from Dallor he will return this saturday to his home. Then he won't move the rest of the holliday so he could re control Sicily.
And Since we had a pretty close alliance in the game I would support This or let Mithrate take Sicily under his control

[Nightbringer]

Darn edit button is right next to the reply button! Sorry about that myth. I'll get used to this in time you guys, I promise.

But he is also allied with your new enemies. We can't really know whether he would have sided with you or england given the situation.

[Nightbringer]

OOC:
just recieved message from Dallor he will return this saturday to his home. Then he won't move the rest of the holliday so he could re control Sicily.
And Since we had a pretty close alliance in the game I would support This or let Mithrate take Sicily under his control

Excellent, looks like we will have him back then!

[Mithridate]

Pff, i always assume the best of people NH ;)

[LooseCannon1]

Sorry for the delay. I did not realize that the save was added to an earlier post. I'll have this up in a few hours.

[LooseCannon1]

Crusaders up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10249) Myth

[Myth]

Sicilly up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10251) Dallor

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Freakkriek said Dallor gave excuses not to play, so i will give him 1 more day to play and after i will sub.

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Egypt up Nightbringer.

[Nightbringer]

HRE up freakkriek
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10258

[freakkriek]

Rougeman

england up

6520

[Rougeman]

Mithridate

[Mithridate]

Novgorod up LooseCannon1

Fought 3 naval battles and took 3 cities

[LooseCannon1]

Crusaders up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10263) Myth

[Húrin the Steadfast]

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142285-I-am-leaving

[Myth]

Who is going to take the game over?

[freakkriek]

Who is going to take the game over?

I suggest you or Nightbringer since you both seem pretty reliable and experienced??

[Mithridate]

I fear its too much to monitor, i really like the Universalis idea but to keep track of it all?
I applaud you NB and i support you^^

[Nightbringer]

My hesitation is that I would have to look at everyone's turn, giving me a lot of knowledge about the game whether I want it or not. I would of course try to limit my viewing to only what is necessary, and to not use the knowledge in game, but it would still give me some advantage.

Still, if everyone is fine with that, and with my taking over, I can certainly do so.

[Mithridate]

If we list our battles like ive done you will have a much easier time keeping track of battles, tho the summary works (counts vs rebels too, cant use if u pursue perfection!)
All you will see is our summary, our treasury and thats fine imho. If you can get in touch with Hurin you may be able to gain knowledge of what penalties and such he had in mind, if not im sure you can figure something out

We will all have to stay away from in game messaging^^

Reminder Myth

[Nightbringer]

If we list our battles like ive done you will have a much easier time keeping track of battles, tho the summary works (counts vs rebels too, cant use if u pursue perfection!)
All you will see is our summary, our treasury and thats fine imho. If you can get in touch with Hurin you may be able to gain knowledge of what penalties and such he had in mind, if not im sure you can figure something out

We will all have to stay away from in game messaging^^

I guess if I leave out the cash injections for RP, I should be able to handle everything through screenshots. Battles and settlements, and declarations of war will have to SS'd and sent to me. As will financial report SS's every five turns for merchant income.

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Yes you covered it pretty well. National Stability/Infamy and Prestige only every 5 turns and need to be looked at every part that the the 3 different factor say. Like all the things that are "Prestige is increased by:..." etc ingame.
If you want to count the RP bonuses too, you can just use Microsoft Word to count the words faster, but i mean if its like 195 words you can still add the bonus. Its not that strict.
Also i am guessing since you are a moderator you can edit my posts too. Therefore you are free to add or remove modifications as you like, if you see they are necessary to remove or add.
But obviously if you think it is too hard or too easy, you can change the rate of turns you check at each player to your liking.

Under Casus Belli i need to clarify the modifications behind the names like Aggression. For example if it is 0% infamy increase and 0% prestige increase, then if that player captures an enemy settlement, he would receive 0 infamy from that (usual its +1 infamy) and the same with prestige.
And for example Imperialism has 150% prestige. If that player who used that Casus Belli gets +0.3 prestige from each battle won against a human, rather then the usual +0.2 etc. Obviously you have to consider that these bonuses or negative effects only apply to military things.

Also about the Objectives:
"Objectives: Have 30 regions + the amount of regions you own from the start of the game. Have 100 prestige."
The second part of the first sentence means how many regions you owned from turn 1. If that player owns that many regions + 30 regions, then one of the objectives have been fulfilled. The second sentence is obvious.

Also all after that, you have to consider all the national ideas(which i will send to you by PM) that the players have chosen before you change the numbers of each player.

That is pretty much it, unless i forgot something. Now i will administrate until turn 20.

[Nightbringer]

Yes you covered it pretty well. National Stability/Infamy and Prestige only every 5 turns and need to be looked at every part that the the 3 different factor say. Like all the things that are "Prestige is increased by:..." etc ingame.
If you want to count the RP bonuses too, you can just use Microsoft Word to count the words faster, but i mean if its like 195 words you can still add the bonus. Its not that strict.
Also i am guessing since you are a moderator you can edit my posts too. Therefore you are free to add or remove modifications as you like, if you see they are necessary to remove or add.
But obviously if you think it is too hard or too easy, you can change the rate of turns you check at each player to your liking.

Under Casus Belli i need to clarify the modifications behind the names like Aggression. For example if it is 0% infamy increase and 0% prestige increase, then if that player captures an enemy settlement, he would receive 0 infamy from that (usual its +1 infamy) and the same with prestige.
And for example Imperialism has 150% prestige. If that player who used that Casus Belli gets +0.3 prestige from each battle won against a human, rather then the usual +0.2 etc. Obviously you have to consider that these bonuses or negative effects only apply to military things.

Also about the Objectives:
"Objectives: Have 30 regions + the amount of regions you own from the start of the game. Have 100 prestige."
The second part of the first sentence means how many regions you owned from turn 1. If that player owns that many regions + 30 regions, then one of the objectives have been fulfilled. The second sentence is obvious.

Also all after that, you have to consider all the national ideas(which i will send to you by PM) that the players have chosen before you change the numbers of each player.

That is pretty much it, unless i forgot something. Now i will administrate until turn 20.

Thanks Hurin! I think we will be able to manage a smooth transition!

[Myth]

Sicilly up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10265)

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Finding a player for Sicily is vital, as ive been subbing them for the past 3 turns i believe. If a substitute isnt found by turn 20 then i would have to turn them AI.

Egypt up Nightbringer.

[Nightbringer]

HRE up, and I might have a prospect for Sicily.
So lets not start attacking them yet.

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10266
freakkriek

[freakkriek]

Can you inform us about the future of Sicily since Sicily is very important in this game to me?
I also have to ask for an extension on the time I have to play my turn, I won't be able to play my turn today and I fear about my ability to play my turn tomorrow due to exams.
My turn will be up as late as wednesday.
I thought i'd give a heads up

[Nightbringer]

I have a person that contacted me expressing interest in joining a game in response to my recruitment post. Presumably they meant this game. I invited them to come introduce themself, but that was yesterday morning and I haven't heard back from them yet. The way I see, Sicily does indeed hold a crucial position in this game, and we should do everything possible to get them a player. If waiting is causing you major problems though freakkriek, then I guess we will have to cut them.

I will try to find someone ASAP though.

[Myth]

Cut them up between the HRE and Crusader States? :laugh4:

[Mithridate]

dont forget the moors, we wont be idle

[Nightbringer]

I have another possible player, but he would only be available about 2 weeks from now.

[freakkriek]

I have another possible player, but he would only be available about 2 weeks from now.
well for me that would work, since I am leaving this sunday for two weeks, I am looking for someone to sub me but so far no luck.
My turn will be up by tomorrow evening, sorry for the delay but I had 3 exams this week.

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Denmark declared war on Novgorod. I stayed with Novgorod, because that is a human faction. Other then that, just skipped.

England up Rougeman.

[freakkriek]

Sorry guys, I am abroad now for holidays but I have my computer with me so I will be able to play my turns.
Thx Hurin for skipping me I thought I already send a message to ask to skip me but apparently I forgot.
Next turn however a lot of imporatant decissions will have to be made. Tomorrow I'll answer all those waiting for an answer

[Rougeman]

Mithridate

[Mithridate]

Novgorod LooseCannon1

Skipped some odds screens to make it under 10mb
All in my favour. Eddingburgh and the scottish castle will be lost shortly :(

Two english armies against the one Moorish... will be interesting

[LooseCannon1]

Running late. I'll have this up tonight

[LooseCannon1]

Crusaders up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10270) Myth

[Myth]

Can Nightbringer sub me? I won't be able to play this for a week perhaps.

[Nightbringer]

Sure, I just need your password Myth

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Substituting tomorrow if not played.

[Nightbringer]

I'm waiting on the Pw, if you clear it I can play the turn. Húrin the Steadfast

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Nightbringer

[Nightbringer]

Italy up, Hurin the steadfast
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10271

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Egypt up Nightbringer.

[Nightbringer]

freakkriek HRE up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10272

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Are there any HRE allies that want to sub freakkriek?

[Mithridate]

Húrin the Steadfast

i can do it, ive got no indication that he is intending to backstab me :P
If he is, then ive taken precations for it anyhow

freakkriek

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Password sent.

[Mithridate]

Rougeman England up

damn, i should never have subbed the HRE... Eating his western front would be so easy and full of win atm :shrug:
Whatever you´ve got going on the eastern front Fatmids i suggest you hold off on... You wont catch the HRE off guard

As the moors i have a message: Nightbringer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-JBaCpiAxo

We are certainly not going to war, I hope you didn't start anything! Mithridate

[Mithridate]

Pm reminder sent

[Myth]

bump Rougeman

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Guys this hotseat cant keep going if half the people need to be subbed or reminded all the time.

[Rougeman]

sorry guys, IE was acting up


Mithridate

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLmAlskhRZc
This is it for england... The armies of Moors close in around them, there can be no victory in face against our might!
Its the .org way Hurin^^ It usually moves on, HRE being gone worries me deeply however...
Rougeman would you be willing to take over Sicily? (he is gone, i fear HRE is too :/ )... and hopefully forgive me? :sweatdrop:

Or HRE if he truly is gone freakkriek

We need players for the HRE and Sicily, big and strong and they truly matter

LooseCannon1 ur up

Screens otw, took Eddingburg with cata, Nottingham with 2 spies.

[Rougeman]

Rougeman would you be willing to take over Sicily? (he is gone, i fear HRE is too :/ )... and hopefully forgive me? :sweatdrop:

Or HRE if he truly is gone freakkriek

We need players for the HRE and Sicily, big and strong and they truly matter

i might, but its not over till i lose all my territories, and ive still got ireland :grin:

[freakkriek]

ok sorry guys for the long absence. truth is i totally forgot this game.
I am be ready again to play with the HRE and raise them to great heights

[LooseCannon1]

ok sorry guys for the long absence. truth is i totally forgot this game.
I am be ready again to play with the HRE and raise them to great heights
Good to hear.
Crusaders up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10278)

[Myth]

Before I play my turn, has a player for Sicilly been found? I'd like to know if they are fair game.

[Mithridate]

Ill ask freakkriek on the TWC if he knows

But i strongly urge Rougeman to take over sicily now, hell even play two factions for the English are doomed anyway. (turn ai?)
What say you about that Myth Nightbringer freakkriek

From Freakkriek (pardon if i overstep by posting this)

I tried to persuade him in rejoining but he feels like he is already headed towards doom and destruction so he doesn't feel much like continueing with them.
Wich is probably true but nevertheless Sicily should have a Human player so i'd vote for a replacement
I once again ask that Rougeman takes over, i know about both your armies and i have full control over them.
I have many times your forces and a strong navy while yours is all but sunk to the last. You fight valiantly but it truly is over

[Myth]

Hookay I think it's time to consider how we divide the Moorish lands after we all jump them for being too big :laugh4:

[freakkriek]

As Mithridate already posted I guess it's better to find a replacement for Sicily or as previously posted Rougeman can take over

[Nightbringer]

I would supporting finding a replacement, and rougeman is an excellent candidate if he would like to do so.

[Mithridate]

Hookay I think it's time to consider how we divide the Moorish lands after we all jump them for being too big :laugh4:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzPpV4xKQlI&feature=related

Lets not go there :P

People should worry more about the Fatmids ehh?
Im quite harmless, peace is all that i desire for me n my people.

[Rougeman]

ill take sicily then, if no-one can be found

[Mithridate]

Great we have a new Sicily^^ (calls of invasion forces) please dont sink them Rougeman, i shall be in touch to re-negotiate our agreements!
Ive got to say, was becoming bloody tempting to take those 4 regions ive zeroed in on :rolleyes:

Hrm... come to think of it i dont think you can sink them or stop me...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GhMvKv4GX5U&feature=related

I wonder if id get away with it^^

Bump Myth

[Myth]

Well then... It would be bad mannered to attack a player who just took a faction.

[Myth]

Sicilly up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10282) Rougeman

Sorry for the long wait everyone.

[Nightbringer]

Rougeman, whats up man? :)

[Mithridate]

I sent him a PM on the 17th even :(

[Rougeman]

sorry guys, been without internet (on holiday), i require the password be removed please :smile:
Húrin the Steadfast Nightbringer

[Mithridate]

Been so long... i honestly dont remember what i put

[Nightbringer]

Unfortunately, I don't have the admin password. Húrin the Steadfast, could you give it to me?

[Mithridate]

Ok i have the PW, sent it to him.
Should have checked immediately, for it was Hurins PW not one of mine

[Mithridate]

Nightbringer Húrin the Steadfast kinda gave Sicily the HRE pw^^ So... you know, he will need a pw change
and its best anyhow as i should not know it either. Ill remind you both when HRE is up

[Nightbringer]

Well, I still don't have the admin PW, so... hopefully hurin will stop by. Anyone know him from any other sites?

[freakkriek]

he kinda made a big post on twcenter, that the was leaving and to make it easier he wouldn't even come online anymore... so I am pretty afraid he won't show anymore

[Mithridate]

He also said he would check this hotseat up to turn 20 so, he should come around. Until then its on ice i fear :(
Ive sent him a PM on TWC just in case


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJcbn2b92AI
So much waiting...

[Húrin the Steadfast]

I am back. Administrator password has been sent to Nightbringer.

[Mithridate]

I am back. Administrator password has been sent to Nightbringer.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix7vrluEm4E

[Myth]

Dude, how many pony songs are there :stare:

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7FvXznPl1J8This one was excellent when, in september i was betrayed BADLY. I smashed the guy betraying me with a fury and the mastermind got soundly defeated just after as he took advantage over my predicament.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVDRWddH3YE&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaJ983xhY9o

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNrXMOSkBas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RFKcpbfAXMwTook a couple of the bigger ones and threw in multiple less known ones that i personally like but...
This is really the top of the iceberg :) I had 10 at first but who knew theres a 5 vids limit :)

Ah... should have made multiple posts just to get closer to 500 :sweatdrop:

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLvIyme2MU4
From the top of your head, anyone knows how large space custom avatars are allowed to take? tiny 80 KB as on .com?
Before anyone says search/FAQ, i know i know and i havent :laugh4:

[Myth]

I know custom avatars can be granted to staff on occasion, I don' think patrons can have one.

[Mithridate]

Ill give it a proper look then, but when i googled it said 500 posts for custom avatars

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbsXev8Lkr8

[Nightbringer]

I'm glad to say hurin sent me the password, so this game should be able to continue. :)

[Nightbringer]

Rougeman, did you get the Pw, are you able to play your turn? :)

[Rougeman]

Nightbringer i didnt get the password for Sicily

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=ZRFecBw1DaQ#!

[Rougeman]

Nightbringer Egypt up

[Nightbringer]

oops, @ ing people was messed up for a couple days, and this one must have slipped through, I should have the save up ASAP

[Nightbringer]

HRE up freakkriek
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10325

[Mithridate]

gona remind him on the TWC

[freakkriek]

sry guys, for being so late. Usually Mithridate is so kind to warn me on twc when i am up on the org.
I'll have the save up as soon as possible, let's get this game going again.

[Mithridate]

Nightbringer so please notify me when he is up and ill forward it

[Nightbringer]

np, although now that i am aware i can start doing it on the .net as well.

[freakkriek]

Sorry for the immense delay, it won't happen again.

Firstly,
The German kaiser has seen it fit to declare war on his former ally "The Kingdom of Sicily". It isn't a war of Conquest but one of Reconquest (for the prestige and ifnamy settings), the city of Venice yearns to be free from the Sicilian oppression. The German Kaiser only wants the Northern cities in order to protect the beloved Bologna, birthplace of our heir. When Genua and Venice are conquered the HRE will see no reason to ever again go to war with Sicily.

Secondly,
After years of haressments by the egyptians, The Kaiser has seen it fit to go to war! The placement of a fort inside german territories was an insult that no true german could bare. A war of Reconquest has been called (Zagreb) in this war. A fort is under siege and one has already been taken. The German armies are marching towards their worthy opponents. Peace can be signed when The egyptians turn over the Hungarian territories that should have been German. 78537854

Thirdly,
The Kaiser send message to all rulers to look upon the world and might of the Egyptians and Crusaders. If their rise isn't stopped now they will be the rulers of this known world.

PS:
A question about the rules, does the "attacked" player has to call a war-cause as well or not untill he conquers some territories of the attacker??

England up
Rougeman
7852

[Nightbringer]

Eh, a fort in your territory? I don't think there was one, or maybe it was left over from a while back. In any case, I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield. After years of attempts to negotiate a peaceful trade with you, your true colors are shown in this unprovoked attack. While my nation is indeed great, all would do well to realize that it was not I, but the Kaizer who began this war.

As to the rules, I would say a war cause is necessary only once you are taking territory that your opponent started the war with, not for defending or retaking your own lost settlements.

[Myth]

In light of recent events it is clear to the The Sovereign Military and Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem, of the ranks of which we have formed our ruling nobility, that the Kaiser of the Holy Roman Empire has been taken with an ilness of the mind and must be forcefully removed from his throne of evil, in order to prevent the plunging of the german realm and the devout and pious catholic peoples of central Europe into heresy and misconduct. As such, we shall sail from the Levant and liberate Rome and other European holdings, as well as aid our most stout ally - the Caliph of the Fatamid Empire.

[Mithridate]

Thus my stance is made clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLMvyX5yqXI
Quite beautiful, dont like the video much im afraidAsk not the sun why she sets Why she shrouds her light away Or why she hides her glowing gaze, When night turns crimson gold to grey, For silent falls the guilty sun As day to dark does turn, One simple truth she dare not speak: Her light can only blind and burn, No mercy for the guilty Bring down their lying sun, Blood so silver black by night, Upon their faces pale white Cruel moon, bring the end The dawn will never rise again

The sun will back down, leashing its puppet for the night only responds to obvious aggressions, a peaceful solution is desired but should you strike the night together, you will be met by Moorish forces. The night is asked to cease its follies against the Italians, brothers of faith against the threat of the east.

Peace is sought for, but we shall not hesitate to bear arms to keep the status quo when the East is rising and seeking to devour the West.

[Myth]

The Fatamid Sultan deems himself a new prophet perhaps? The Holy Kingdom of Jerusalem and Principality of Antioch cannot be questioned by the likes of you. Defending the mad Emperor from his own folly shows your true intent on securing lands in Europe.

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Sorry for the immense delay, it won't happen again.

Firstly,
The German kaiser has seen it fit to declare war on his former ally "The Kingdom of Sicily". It isn't a war of Conquest but one of Reconquest (for the prestige and ifnamy settings), the city of Venice yearns to be free from the Sicilian oppression. The German Kaiser only wants the Northern cities in order to protect the beloved Bologna, birthplace of our heir. When Genua and Venice are conquered the HRE will see no reason to ever again go to war with Sicily.

Secondly,
After years of haressments by the egyptians, The Kaiser has seen it fit to go to war! The placement of a fort inside german territories was an insult that no true german could bare. A war of Reconquest has been called (Zagreb) in this war. A fort is under siege and one has already been taken. The German armies are marching towards their worthy opponents. Peace can be signed when The egyptians turn over the Hungarian territories that should have been German. 78537854

Thirdly,
The Kaiser send message to all rulers to look upon the world and might of the Egyptians and Crusaders. If their rise isn't stopped now they will be the rulers of this known world.

PS:
A question about the rules, does the "attacked" player has to call a war-cause as well or not untill he conquers some territories of the attacker??

England up
Rougeman
7852

No, the defender does does not need and cannot call a war being the defender.
Defender: If the attacked player wins the war, these modifiers apply: 50% Infamy, 100% Prestige for: Everything, unless "Reconquest" settlements are taken, in which case Infamy hit is still 0%.
Example: Capturing a settlement would give you 0.5 infamy instead of 1.0.

Added to first post.

EDIT: National Ideas also sent to Nightbringer now. He will need them, since he is now administrating this hotseat.

[freakkriek]

I don't think there was one, or maybe ti was left over from a while back. In any case, I look forward to seeing you on the battlefield. After years of attempts to negotiate a peaceful trade with you, your true colors are shown in this unprovoked attack. While my nation is indeed great, all would do well to realize that it was not I, but the Kaizer who began this war.


It was a new fort placed and constructed by you in my territories, within one trebuchet on marching distance of one of my castles. Then you place two other forts at our borders one with again trebuchets and on containing a full army. What else could the kaiser have done? And a sum of some thousands can not be considered a "true" trade proposal for the only fortress in the region. In all your latest movements and actions a desire to invade our lands was apparent.


In light of recent events it is clear to the The Sovereign Military and Hospitaller Order of St. John of Jerusalem, of the ranks of which we have formed our ruling nobility, that the Kaiser of the Holy Roman Empire has been taken with an ilness of the mind and must be forcefully removed from his throne of evil, in order to prevent the plunging of the german realm and the devout and pious catholic peoples of central Europe into heresy and misconduct. As such, we shall sail from the Levant and liberate Rome and other European holdings, as well as aid our most stout ally - the Caliph of the Fatamid Empire.

I am just a humble and apparently "mad" Kaiser but would you mind explaining this simple king why "in order to protect the pious German people" it is necessary for the Crusaders to invade Rome? Or will it be given back to the Pope? Speak frank and be true about your intentions, You were waiting for any excuse to jump on Italy, my Kaiser saw this and in order to "help" Sicily (granted it was an bizarre move) I attacked them, destroying our alliance so giving you no real cause to attack them. So now the masks have finally dropped.... If the King of Sicily reads this may he see this as a signed peace treaty, trade rights and an acceptance of his last question.


Thus my stance is made clear

The sun will back down, leashing its puppet for the night only responds to obvious aggressions, a peaceful solution is desired but should you strike the night together, you will be met by Moorish forces. The night is asked to cease its follies against the Italians, brothers of faith against the threat of the east.

So as my ruse has succeeded no need is necessary for the night to fall upon the Italian people, United the West will destroy the East.

PS: Myth => "The Fatamid Sultan deems himself a new prophet perhaps? The Holy Kingdom of Jerusalem and Principality of Antioch cannot be questioned by the likes of you. Defending the mad Emperor from his own folly shows your true intent on securing lands in Europe. "
Me: *chuckle* This only shows how christians see muslims, as one big group... tsss :-)

[Myth]

I meant Moorish but I was thinking of the Fatamids so... Hey I do make a difference, I'm playing the Moors in CoG!2 :laugh4:

[Nightbringer]

(OOC) Hmm,are you sure you didn't just spot those forts now? I'm pretty sure I actually moved my main body of men further from Kassa this turn, plus I had thought you would simply ask for more money. That was always just an initial offer. Doesn't really matter though, and this war should be good fun.

Hah, a paltry sum of cash for the only fortress in the region? Lies! The Sultan had graciously offered to return Zagreb to you, in addition to a significant sum of coins. Furthermore, he had made it clear that he was open to modifying the deal if it was not satisfactory to the Emperor. But no, your Emperor lashes out without warning, flailing like a madman. You do not even do so with a declaration of war, but simply by attacking our forces that were marching North.

We spit on your Emperor, and will entertain no pleas for peace until he is either dead or replaced. Even if your people moan as one for respite from our victorious forces, we shall not grant it for we can have no safety when such a madman sits the throne.

Other great nations, can you not see that this man is simply insane? He attacks his neighbors without provocation, or even sensible reason! Just as he has struck us, and the innocent Sicilians, so may he strike you as his madness drives him on without direction or regard for diplomacy or justice.

I thank the enlightened Crusaders for their promise of assistance, and look forward to fighting by their side.

As to the Moors, I am saddened to hear that you turn on your brothers for no reason at all. My people are quite innocent in all of this, and you have no need to spill the blood of any of yours in such a war.

My eyes turn now to the stout men of the North. I know you are friends with this mad emperor, but I hope you can also see that the Sultan has sought only peace, and make friendly moves towards you. I hope that you will see wisdom and remain neutral in this conflict.

[Mithridate]

Hah, a paltry sum of cash for the only fortress in the region? Lies! The Sultan had graciously offered to return Zagreb to you, in addition to a significant sum of coins. Furthermore, he had made it clear that he was open to modifying the deal if it was not satisfactory to the Emperor. But no, your Emperor lashes out without warning, flailing like a madman. You do not even do so with a declaration of war, but simply by attacking our forces that were marching North.Your "generous" offer was rejected, your marching on his land a clear act of agression... one of war in itself! You have brought this upon yourself and you will be the one to back down in order for a peaceful solution to be found where you keep your land and peace reigns supreme.

Seeing how you show little to no respect for life, this is unlikely without us bringing you to your knees first


Other great nations, can you not see that this man is simply insane? He attacks his neighbors without provocation, or even sensible reason! Just as he has struck us, and the innocent Sicilians, so may he strike you as his madness drives him on without direction or regard for diplomacy or justice.Attacking the Sicilians was a ruthless and clever ploy to draw out the Crusaders, there has long been tension between the two but with our influence, we shall hopefully find peace and a proper arrangement with lasting friendship be found.


As to the Moors, I am saddened to hear that you turn on your brothers for no reason at all. My people are quite innocent in all of this, and you have no need to spill the blood of any of yours in such a war. We ask but one thing for us to back down, as our spies have kept us well informed about your doing in hungary and acts of agression towards the night

Your innocence, Prove it
For we have much evidence of your guilt


My eyes turn now to the stout men of the North. I know you are friends with this mad emperor, but I hope you can also see that the Sultan has sought only peace, and make friendly moves towards you. I hope that you will see wisdom and remain neutral in this conflict.The distant north is asked to ignore the vipers words, Sicily is vulnerable and the HRE much outnumbered. They need both of our aids to stand, aid both of us together can grant while leading our own peoples into an age of trade and prosperity!

While joining them, will only lead to massive casualties on either side as we all devote our full power to war...

[Nightbringer]

I shall make my intentions clear and offer one last chance for peace. We are willing to ignore the vicious killing of those men of ours already lost, and re-enter negotiations without any further action. Clearly the deal has been rejected, but you did not inform us of such, and we would be glad to make a new offer. However, if that is not agreeable to you then we shall remain content with our current borders.

Our so called aggression was never directed at the Empire, but only at its own traitorous offshoots the Poles, and the universally despised Lithuanians. If any troops were spotted near the border it is simply because they were marching north to join the war there. A war which benefited the empire as it was against there own foes. Our forces have remained watchful on the border this is true, but no more so than those of the Empire, and only as defense against that treachery which they have now pulled.

So what say you, will you accept peace? You have lost nothing, and as you claim your only fear is our attack, you can prevent it by accepting. There is no need for any further bloodshed. If you refuse again then it will be clear that you truly are mad, but if not we can forgive your actions as a momentary spasm.

[Mithridate]

So he takes the guise of a peace loving man extending a hand of peace after having broken a nail to the cornered bear,
then uses a sticks to beat and goad it into attacking him in full xD

Yea, lets see what happens and if people blame the man with the stick or the bear :rolleyes:
If you truly wish to negotiate, perhaps you should offer something but slights?

The moors offer compensation to Sicily for any harm done by the night, our voice in negotiating peace and our support should arms be raised in unison against the east. Any deal made between you two shall be enforced by us as insurance that it is kept, for peace and stability as you grow.

Make no mistake, we do this as much for you as our own sake

[Nightbringer]

What exactly should I offer Moor? I am willing to entertain suggestions.

[Mithridate]

Offer me some lands, some money perhaps and ill gladly counsel you in these... most unfortunate times ^^

[Nightbringer]

Hah! Lands? Money? for what reason? You reveal your intentions scum, you seek only plunder or extortion. If you sought peace, as I do, you would not make such laughable suggestions. The same can be said to the Empire, if they demand land or money for peace.

[Rougeman]

meanwhile the English king is still camping in an Irish forest...

Moors Mithridate

[Myth]

Moorish Sultan, perhaps you have partaken in opiates and overindulged with sweets and meats? You sound like a fishwife bickering for coppers and not at all like a magnanimous leader of an empire. Were we not so cultured, a crusade to remove your blight for Europe would have been launched. Know that the Crusader States jump at the defence of the Fatamid Caliphate, not no save Sicilly which as you should remember, was never truly favoured in the court of Jerusalem.

Should the Holy Roman Empire concede defeat, we shall seek no further war upon them. Should you stay your sword, you will likewise feel no wrath. If not, then you must prepare to defend both your borders and your honour.

[Mithridate]

Ah, brash and rude as always. You crusaders never disappoint!
It will be glorious to meet and defeat you in battle, our swords are already drawn in response to your aggressions

Call it the bickering of a fishwife you whom claim to honor, know that we have made our intent clear, always having done so and shall punish you for your insolence

Novgorod

Pm sent on TWC

[LooseCannon1]

Oh, goody. We got a war going on. :thwack: :on_box:

[Myth]

You have not seen aggression from us and shall not, as you possess nothing which we claim our own. If you land forces in Sicilly or Itally however, then it will become clear that you wish to simply grab a foothold in southern Europe and then you will be considered an invader and a threat.

[freakkriek]

If peace should be signed this is what the Kaiser proposes:

Option 1) The balkan and Egyptian lands bordering German Territories should be gifted to the Crusaders. Because even so the king has been called a fool and a deranged man yet he still feels sympathy for his fellow christians. Christians should not have to beg for a place to live (Ragusa) where they are forced to placed stacks of units just waiting for the approval of their overlord to cross the Adriatic Sea and spill fellow christians blood.

Option 2) A demilitarised balkan.. both German and Egyptian troops will leave as few as possible troops there, enough to maintain order but no more. When campaigns to the Polish or Lithuanians are planned obviously troops shall be necessary but shall only be allowed on those territories. The Crusaders will have to get some territories from the most gracious Caliph so they can expand in the direction of their chosing.

Regardless of which option the Egyptian Caliph prefers, the Kaiser feels that the safety of Sicily is a priority wich means the Crusaders must find a place of their own. May it be Africa, the balkans, The Black sea,.... or the history books

[Mithridate]

Now that is a proper proposition Nightbringer :laugh4:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIr8u0j08gU

[Nightbringer]

Your characterization of the Crusaders is most unjust. We have given them lands aplenty in the Holy lands, and were already planning on handing over many of our western territories to their control. I would be glad to have them hold the border between us and you. This was already started with their capture of Ragusa, and the proposed trade would have allowed us to finish this border with them being given control of Kassa and Belgrade.

However, your invasion of Italy is most unjust, and the Sultan is determined to support his friends the Crusader states in their military response to your actions there.

So there you have it, sign peace now, and withhold your invasion of Italy, and the Crusader States shall indeed inherit all the lands that form the border between us. In fact, since we seem to agree that this would be a wise proposal, you may contribute to creating it as well, by handing some of your border regions to these devout Christians. You hand over Kassa to them, and we shall turn over Zagreb and Belgrade to their control.

[LooseCannon1]

Or you could give the disputed lands to the peaceful Merchant Republic of United Russia. :2thumbsup: :idea2: We would maintain the peace. :dizzy2:


Crusaders up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10333)

[Myth]

I see the Kaiser and the Moorish Sultan wish to play us for fools? Loyal Christians have reported a Moorish army advancing on Rome and that Pisa has already fallen under Moorish occupation. The Kaiser keeps quiet and distracts us, while Italy has already been divided between him and his Moorsih allies! We shall not stand for this. The Crusader States have taken upon the liberation of Italy and we shall not cease until Rome is no longer under threat by either heathens or heretics! If the Kaiser wishes to see his borders secure, he must first explain why he did not send word of the Moorish actions on European soil.

Sicilly (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10334) is up though I don't think the faction will last and perhaps setting it as AI would be best? I am willing to return Bari to the Sicillian player if mutual understanding can be reached trough diplomacy.

[Nightbringer]

I will give 24 hours for someone to claim it if they wish, then I'll set it to ai. Being attacked by three empires at once doesn't give it great odds.

[Mithridate]

Sicily is Rougeman Sending him a PM on TWC

The moors are friends of Sicily, we will not enter any fighting between the HRE and Sicilians but any crusaders or Fatmid forces will be dealt with.
We shall find a peaceful solution to this... misunderstanding between the HRE and Sicilians, something we have made clear

[Rougeman]

Nightbringer

i believe the crusaders are a bit confused, the Moor's assistance was asked for by the King of Italy, since the Anti-Pope had taken it from us, he has been killed and it has been arranged for Pisa to be returned to Italian Control, however i ask the Crusaders to give back control of Bari to the King of Italy and sign a peace.

[Nightbringer]

Well, what say you freakkriek? do you accept my offer?

[Myth]

We had thought that Italy had succumbed to anarchy and that the Moors had began plundering European lands. When we see Pisa returned into Sicillian hands we will of course relinquish the fortress of Bari and end this misunderstanding. We request however, that Sicilly returns Rome to the Papacy, as that unlawful occupation of the Holy city is beyond absurd.

[Rougeman]

Does the Pope need land to spread the will of God?

[Mithridate]

Tsk, brink of war and demands are still placed after having been repeatedly in the wrong

To argue from a position of power, you actually need power or... well, some leverage
You have none, so how about ending this folly now before there is proper bloodshed?

The moors stand with sicily, the moors shall fight on the behalf of the HRE

[Myth]

Tsk, brink of war and demands are still placed after having been repeatedly in the wrong

To argue from a position of power, you actually need power or... well, some leverage
You have none, so how about ending this folly now before there is proper bloodshed?

The moors stand with sicily, the moors shall fight on the behalf of the HRE

The Moors shall be slaughtered.

[Mithridate]

Now thats more like it, a true crusader!

We shall meet in glorious battle :duel:

[freakkriek]

The Kaiser has no intention to be known througout the world as a mad warmongering fool. However giving up a key military structure for gaining a fragile peace with the Caliph while it will place the Crusaders at his borders, who keep having agitated speaches towards the Kaisers Moorish and Italian friends, has no point. If the world politics stay the same the Kaiser has no other options then to keep fighting this just war.

[Myth]

The Italians, having a new King elected recently, will receive Crusader support and Bari will be returned to them, repaired of all damage our storming the walls may have caused. This will be done once no Moorish foot is upon the Italian Peninsula - It is enough that they have overtaken Iberia and England.

Also, we request that the new King of Sicilly shows himself worthy of such support, by returning Rome to His Holiness the Pope. Only then will we know that Catholicism is not threatened. Kaiser, you must not fear the Crusader States, you would do better to embrace us as friends. When the Moorish Caliph runs out of land to conquer, you may yet fall upon our Kingdom and the vast resources of our good friend the Fatamid Calihph for support. Also, I wish it to be known that the Fatamid Caliph is a just and wise man, and he has not intended for Europe to be plunged into a forceful conversion to Islam and has never made claims for territories west of the Dalmatian coast. As such, trust may be bestowed freely upon him, unlike with our Moorish friend who slaughters yet another Cathoilc peoples in the west.

[Mithridate]

The Italians, having a new King elected recently, will receive Crusader support and Bari will be returned to them, repaired of all damage our storming the walls may have caused. This will be done once no Moorish foot is upon the Italian Peninsula - It is enough that they have overtaken Iberia and England.You do not make demands of us, the notion is both laughable and highly offensive. It is clear to us that you seek war and only war...

Also, we request that the new King of Sicilly shows himself worthy of such support, by returning Rome to His Holiness the Pope. Only then will we know that Catholicism is not threatened. Kaiser, you must not fear the Crusader States, you would do better to embrace us as friends. When the Moorish Caliph runs out of land to conquer, you may yet fall upon our Kingdom and the vast resources of our good friend the Fatamid Calihph for support. Also, I wish it to be known that the Fatamid Caliph is a just and wise man, and he has not intended for Europe to be plunged into a forceful conversion to Islam and has never made claims for territories west of the Dalmatian coast. As such, trust may be bestowed freely upon him, unlike with our Moorish friend who slaughters yet another Cathoilc peoples in the west.The pope is dead, long live the new pope! Truly it is sad when those whom acclaim themselves warriors of the faith are so misinformed. Unlike you, Sicily is no puppet so cease these attempts to fasten strings for your master. The Pope handles matters of faith, not you and thinking yourself to make decisions on their behalf is blasphemy to your own faith

Attempting to cause a rift is futile, Sicily knows we could have struck them as they suffered internal strife, that we would have captured nearly half their lands with them being unable to prevent such a thing. Without demands, without delay and without hesitation we turned around.

Now they stand prepared, our friendship stronger than ever as Moorish forces stand to answer their call and any eastern aggression.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mLhvFSmhGC0
We turn East... Or goal set, our purpose clear

[Myth]

See, fellow diplomats? It is this Moorish arrogance that I warned you against. They believe themselves our betters and only trough their benevolence do you yet breathe, or so they would put it. Draw your conclusions now, before drawing your swords on the battlefield.

[Nightbringer]

gah, played the first part of my turn forgetting that PvP was autoresolve only. Should have it up soon though.

[Nightbringer]

The Sultan wrath has been well and truly roused. His loyal people have been launched into a full war economy, adn tens of thousands of strong warriors march for the lands of the mad emperor.

That said,the Sultan again wishes to send his best wishes to the Lord of Novgorod. We know you have been friends of the Empire, but hope you may see that this war was not brought on by our choosing, and that you will see wisdom and remain neutral. We wish for only trade and friendship with you.

HRE up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10335

This should be good fight :)

[freakkriek]

England is up

Rougeman

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[Rougeman]

Mithridate

The English will stand their ground and stand to the last!

[Myth]

Aww, I had forgotten that we can't lead vs humans as well. I hope my faith in Catholic heavy cav was well placed. For the record I ARed versus Bari because I hate leading siege assaults.

[Mithridate]

The English used last stand

it was not very effective...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exdu5I61vMY&feature=relmfuAberdeen is under siege, its the last scottish settlement and game crashes whenever i take it... Could you do it for me NB? Or fix it later on, Scotland will defeat my army if nothing is done as he has a stack close. Taking aberdeen ends him, id rather keep my army somewhat intact as i need to kill the last English stack.

You can Ar, but keep my losses low please... i lose 50 men when i play the battle at worst
Nightbringer LooseCannon1

Great turmoil in the world, negotiations with the HRE and Sicily are... Absurdly sluggish n spastic :)

[Húrin the Steadfast]

I hope Nightbringer is able to change my first post, since editing that is essential to this hotseat.

[Nightbringer]

I am, and I will be checking everything and updating things on turn 25 (when scores etc... are calculated).

[Nightbringer]

huh, Mithridate, it is crashing for me as well. I'm not sure why it would though. I can't think of any bugs to do with killing off a faction. Can anyone else?

[Mithridate]

Disband the scottish stack and try again next turn if not? (Ai will likely attack n defeat me if not :( )
Tho then the English must not be allowed to attack me as i besiege as im supposed to be safely inside the town with a spy as well :P

Imho, test skipping a full turn cykle and see if the issue persists Nightbringer

[Nightbringer]

Well, i skipped through a whole turn and it still crashed... :/

[Mithridate]

That is a major problem... Ill replay and keep scotland alive for one more turn then.
Perhaps beating his stack and thus killing all his FMs will solve it but ill lose a lot of men and actually give England a chance :P

Will do so soon, could you clear a save and send to... well anyone really to try to take the scottish town and end turn, one turn to peek on wont do me too much harm.
Try not to peek around Sicily and all is fine. Nightbringer

[Myth]

Don't worry Mithirdate, my spies are all over your armies in Italy.

[Mithridate]

Well Nightbringer sent save to anyone? want me to replay not besieging?
Want to play on and you disband the scottish stack before it attacks me?

[Nightbringer]

I did send the save to Myth, but haven't heard back yet. :)

[Myth]

Ah yes, the Scotland bug. This happened to me in Single Player as England as well. The solution is to not take out their settlement this turn, I didn't get any help from the SS mod team on the TWC for that. It crashes to me as well, so I can't help.

BTW Mithirdate, great blitz with the Moors, 22 turns you almost wiped out the English and took so much land. Really well done. Did you use spies? I haven't even bothered with the spy rules for this game.

[Mithridate]

Aye, and lots of em ^^ Thank you for your praise, it is well received :bow:

Ill replay without attacking this turn, or forting for safety.
Edit: played, same pics

[LooseCannon1]

nothing much happening in the cold. Crusaders up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10344

[Myth]

Italy up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10346) Rougeman

Bari will be returned to it's rightful owners but we wish to talk with the King of Italy.

[Rougeman]

and what would that be Crusader?

Nightbringer Egypt!

EDIT: accidentally put the name as Moors, but its actually on Egypt's turn.

[Nightbringer]

I will get to this ASAP. Sorry about any delay, I am just in the middle of my finals right now which is dominating my time :/

[Nightbringer]

HRE up freakkriek
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10347

[freakkriek]

England is up

Rougeman

8132

[Rougeman]

Mithridate Moors

the english continue to wait in the castle for their king, who is stranded on Ireland, to rescue them....

[Mithridate]

Novgorod

Last English bastion under siege, we've almost completed the transition of Britain... We're getting there!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDZUyE-Dty8Still unable to wipe out scotland

[LooseCannon1]

Crusaders up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10350)

[Myth]

Italy up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10352) Rougeman

[Rougeman]

ill do this within 18 hours, sorry for the delay

[Rougeman]

Nightbringer Egypt

[Nightbringer]

freakkriek
Your turn!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10353

I have pictures for the battle that took place with your easternmost army that I can provide if you would like.

Also, when next turn comes around (turn 25) I will be checking on all factions for points etc...

[Rougeman]

does England get bonus points for being the first to be destroyed :tongue:

[Húrin the Steadfast]

Just to keep in mind, you have missed turn 15 statistics and turn 20 statistics, you need to add them as well when you calculate the turn 25 statistics.

[Nightbringer]

oh :/ will do

[freakkriek]

freakkriek
Your turn!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10353

I have pictures for the battle that took place with your easternmost army that I can provide if you would like.

Also, when next turn comes around (turn 25) I will be checking on all factions for points etc...

Pictures would be nice ;-)

[Nightbringer]

here you go
http://i47.tinypic.com/zwm2xg.jpg

http://i47.tinypic.com/nf2rl0.jpg

[Mithridate]

Subbing, this may take a while

Edit: At a glance, 9-10 Egyptian stacks in the Balkans?
My my, youve been busy. But ive found your weakness and some vulnerabilities


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11yGQ6jllF4&list=PLapJ6EDnMCbNWzpBuHzhXTidGvQYlKfXg
(Jump to 0:50) Youll be hearing from us, and soon... And so shall the Crusaders!

[Nightbringer]

Have you now? We'll see.

[Myth]

Oh, you mean that one settlement in Africa? You didn't need that, surely. You own 1/3 of the map already :laugh4: The Crusader States' main vulnerability is that they are 1/10 the size of the Moorish Caliphate and last in the turn order... But I'm having fun so who cares? :laugh4:

[Mithridate]

You have a holding in Italy Crusader, i mean to take it and the illyrian castle for Sicily!
I may hold a lot of ground, but not as much as the Fatmids and i dont have the rich heartlands of the holy lands-egypt

A glorious war this will be...