Question about heroes [Archive]

daigaku

04-10-2012, 19:25

Hi to all,

with the help of this fine forum trying to get somewhat deeper into the "dungeons" of my favourite game I stumbled over this "defaultheroes.txt" thing and wondered: The date shown there, is it date of birth or date of showing up? Tried search function "Heroes" but just got puzzled, didn´t get the info I´m looking for...so anybody, could I get to know that tiny bit of detail?
thx from Markgräflerland,
daigaku

gollum

04-10-2012, 21:02

Hi, you could check one of the most known ones - say Jean D'Arc. Her date of birth is 1412. See what the file says. It could be the date from which they become available - or not. Its not certain they will appear at the prescribed date, seems to me, because you may say have trained less units till then and previous heroes may still be queuing to show up.

Gilrandir

04-11-2012, 15:20

gollum

04-11-2012, 15:35

I do indeed, and she does as she did.

Trapped in Samsara

04-11-2012, 16:58

Do you mean to say that Joan of Arc, being a woman, appears in the game as one of the generals heading a unit?

Now, now GilRandir! No sexism on the Org's boards, please.

:happy2:

Best regards
Victor

Sapere aude
Horace

daigaku

04-11-2012, 18:32

Hi,
as a test started an english/early/GA campaign, they´ve got quite a few heroes in the last years of 11th/first years of 12th century. As far as I got (some 1160s) it seems the dates given in the .txt-files are birthdates. Those guys came along about 16-18 years after the given date, with a strange preferrance for Celtic Warriors (two of the four came as those, though there were Norman Knights to choose as well, being built the same time). I´ll have a look for confirmation...
greetings, daigaku

Gilrandir

04-12-2012, 14:42

As I pay little attention to generals' names, the appearance of historic persons (except that of El Cid) in the game is a real eye-opener for me. What other well-known persons are there?
And Joan of Arc - next time I play the French I'll watch for her appearance. I wonder what unit she will head. Yet, I don't think it will make much difference as she is going to check in when the game is basically over.

gollum

04-13-2012, 15:51

There's plenty of heroes and not just as generals. There are heroes as agents as well, say famous priests/bishops etc. For a full list you can check the txt file daigaku mentions in your main game folder.

daigaku

04-16-2012, 17:10

caravel

04-16-2012, 21:44

Yes the dates in the file are birth dates - searching the modding forums here may have yielded some results.

Gilrandir

04-20-2012, 16:30

Hi,

confirmed the theory of birthdates - even bishops, assassins and emissarys turn up about 16-18 years after the date mentioned in the defaultheroes.txt . (grumble) got my "Guy of Gisborne", a 5star-assassin killed in the attempt to go for a 6star inquisitor....

The file to look for is ...\campmap\names\default_heroes.txt

greetings, daigaku
After perusing the file I discovered some strange entries in it.
First of all, some lists of names of non-faction (in vanilla MTW) peoples - Burgundians, Frisians, Dutch, Welsh, Scottish, etc. Are they applied to generals bred in corresponding provinces? (otherwise their existence is inexplicable).
Second of all - and most astonishing - a list of Mongol princesses' names :dizzy2: Has anyone ever seen Mongol princesses in the game?

caravel

04-20-2012, 16:39

MTW is full of remnants and unused bits and pieces, the Mongol princesses are just some of them. The "peoples" you refer to are rebels. You do see something like e.g. "the revolt is led by the Frisians" or similar appearing in game during such uprisings (particularly in the pre battle screen if I recall correctly).

Gilrandir

04-20-2012, 17:43

The "peoples" you refer to are rebels. You do see something like e.g. "the revolt is led by the Frisians" or similar appearing in game during such uprisings (particularly in the pre battle screen if I recall correctly).
Never saw such notices. When I do have revolts they are either loyalist, religious (like muslim rebels, for example), or unspecified. Never had them identified by nationality. Or, perhaps, I didn't pay attention to pre-battle screens (if it is there that the notice appears) while fighting against rebels.

daigaku

04-20-2012, 20:45

Hi Gilrandir,

put your cursor over an rebel army or their fort; the info-pic scrolling in shows for example "fort of the rebels Livs". I think there this comes from...

haven´t seen a mongol princess, though - what did I miss there? :-)

greetings, daigaku

Gilrandir

04-21-2012, 16:42

havenґt seen a mongol princess, though - what did I miss there? :-)

greetings, daigaku

I don't think you would miss anything either if you didn't see any of the "pretty" princesses the game abounds in. So seeing Mongol ones would be a nice change, I believe.

daigaku

04-21-2012, 23:38

Hi Gilrandir,

I don't think you would miss anything either if you didn't see any of the "pretty" princesses the game abounds in. So seeing Mongol ones would be a nice change, I believe.

actually I don´t dislike them, really. I prefer women with...let´s say, their own head - and a bit of meat on the bones, if you don´t mind my directness :-))))))

daigaku

Gilrandir

04-22-2012, 15:42

actually I donґt dislike them, really. I prefer women with...letґs say, their own head - and a bit of meat on the bones, if you donґt mind my directness :-))))))

daigaku
Hi daigaku
Don't be so bold as to ventilate your preferences at this forum. I have incurred the charges of sexism (see above a post from Trapped in Samsara). If the said prosecutor sees your comment containing implications of "meat and bones" ~:pissed: he may raise his voice on behalf of vegetarians. :grin2:

daigaku

04-22-2012, 17:12

Hi, Gilrandir,

......Samsara......Samsara.....wasn´t that this desert region, where in every oasis the tired warrior was awaited by some sweet smelling Houris?!? Honi soit qui mal y pense......

;-))) Daigaku

Gilrandir

04-22-2012, 17:35

Hi, Gilrandir,

......Samsara......Samsara.....wasnґt that this desert region, where in every oasis the tired warrior was awaited by some sweet smelling Houris?!? Honi soit qui mal y pense......

;-))) Daigaku
Do you realize that by your post you offended:
1) denizens of desert zones;
2) evil-smelling Houris;
3) non-French speaking orgers (including myself).:wink:
These mild charges just augur the ones which are going to pour out on you when Trapped in Samsara sees our correspondence. Which he will, oh yesss, my preciousss, he will.:hanged:

daigaku

04-22-2012, 18:44

Hi, Gilrandir

....no newbie entry bonus here ? :-(

never been in the desert, but would love to - my favourite weather is HOT (beyond 35° C) and dry, and under those circumstances would love to be welcomed in the said manner. (didn´t even know or could imagine there were evil smelling ones....)

the french bit is the motto of an Order (don´t ask me for translation of it´s name) meaning "Bad the one thinking bad about it"

oh yesss, my preciousss, bringing battle out of the game right onto my screen - "Fortschritt" or pc?!?

greeting you as bad as I am ;-)))

daigaku

caravel

04-23-2012, 10:51

The princesses are in fact supposed to be quite hideous... IMO it adds brilliantly to the atmosphere of the game along with Sean Pertwee's in-battle voice overs, some of the v&v descriptions and the general feel of the artwork and music... Medieval 2 by contrast was very "Disney"...

edyzmedieval

04-23-2012, 15:36

Is there by any chance a way we could compile a list of all the MTW heroes?

Gilrandir

04-23-2012, 18:37

Hi daigaku

never been in the desert, but would love to - my favourite weather is HOT (beyond 35° C) and dry, and under those circumstances would love to be welcomed in the said manner. (didnґt even know or could imagine there were evil smelling ones....)

Then your favorite MTW units must be Bedouin (or Berber) camels and desert archers. Make the latter shoot the evil smelling Houris and you won't have to wonder if they really are there.:laugh4:

daigaku

04-23-2012, 19:00

Hi daigaku

Then your favorite MTW units must be Bedouin (or Berber) camels and desert archers.

Hi Gilrandir,

quite the opposite. My all time favourite faction are the Danes (Redux: Norse), and you can imagine how "evil smelling" those warriors are when arriving in the desert all the way down from Scandinavia... So the imagination of those sweet smelling ones is a necessity to be able to stand the own ... stench?!? ;-)

edyzmedieval: How do you mean that? The list of game-given heroes is "\campmap\names\default_heroes.txt", including famous kings as well. If you meant something like gamer-developed ones, that will vary so much that a list seems impossible to me.

@ caravel: Hi, caravel, I never tried anything later than rome ´cos of completely different and not-to-my-likes game-engine. But to me, already rome wasn´t the reall McCoy, and am sticking to MTW for serious gaming and STW for occasional recreation ;-) so M2TW I got somewhere, but never even took a look at....

greetings daigaku

edyzmedieval

04-23-2012, 19:16

I was referring to the list of game given heroes. :yes:

But looking through the text as I recall is quite difficult, that's why I asked if someone compiled a proper text list.

gollum

04-23-2012, 19:49

and you can imagine how "evil smelling" those warriors are when arriving in the desert all the way down from Scandinavia...

More evil smelling than camels?:inquisitive: And it depends, do we include farts or not?

edyzmedieval

04-23-2012, 20:09

Let us not enter the realm of camels... :skull:

daigaku

04-23-2012, 20:51

Hi there,

More evil smelling than camels?:inquisitive: And it depends, do we include farts or not?

of coursssse, my precioussss, we include those due-to-unknown-and-strange-food-farts! How could we not! And so the need for sweet smelling Houris may exceed the offer of nicely perfumed bathtub beauties ;-))

edyzmedieval, what problem do you have with camels? Nice animals, sometimes a bit rude, but always seviceing our needs of transport, and good "weapons" against Catholic Katanks ;-))

btw, this list you ask for would be quite lengthy, there are at least about 5 heroes (up to some 15) per listed faction. Maybe, entering the txt-file next time, I could extract the pure names/birthdates for reverence...

greetings, daigaku

caravel

04-23-2012, 20:59

Let us not enter the realm of camels... :skull:
Sorry too late...

https://img121.imageshack.us/img121/8752/07camelprofilenearsilve.jpg

drone

04-23-2012, 21:02

Let us not enter the realm of camels... :skull:
Camels, camels, camels, camels, camels!

I could probably add the heroes list to the wiki. :thinking:

Brandy Blue

04-24-2012, 05:34

Forget the list of so called human heroes. The real heroes are the camels!

Gilrandir

04-24-2012, 12:14

good "weapons" against Catholic Katanks

Catholic Katanks??? They are as rare as evil-smelling Houris or sweet-smelling Danes.
If you have Catholic Katanks in your game, perhaps you are blessed enough to have Janissary Armoured Pikemen, Italian Light Billmen or Varangian Longbows as well?

Gilrandir

04-24-2012, 12:16

Forget the list of so called human heroes. The real heroes are the camels!

So, you mean to say camels are not humans? Hmm...:disappointed:

daigaku

04-24-2012, 14:22

Hi, Gilrandir,

Catholic Katanks??? They are as rare as evil-smelling Houris or sweet-smelling Danes.
If you have Catholic Katanks in your game, perhaps you are blessed enough to have Janissary Armoured Pikemen, Italian Light Billmen or Varangian Longbows as well?

Sorry, newbie mistake. Meant some Royal or Chivalric Knights with pushed up (gold) armour and the like. Some of them still stray abroad into unhealthy climate and get killed - yes, in the realms of Camels and THAs....
btw, in vanilla MTW/VI those LithuanCav with bows enabled are a nice Cavallery for those evil smelling danes (I denie them anything beyond Royal Knights) - love them! But the idea of (to stay in the tradition of danes) Varangian Longbows is
...interesting. I´ll give them a try ;-)

@ drone: would love that - am not so good (missing some tools ´cos not running on win98se) in extracting parts of those monstrous .txt-files. Thanks in advance!

greetings daigaku

daigaku

04-24-2012, 22:21

Brandy Blue

04-25-2012, 02:55

So, you mean to say camels are not humans? Hmm...:disappointed:

Their superiority to humans is widely recognized whereever MTW is played.

Gilrandir

04-25-2012, 14:31

Hi,

oh yes, and "the realm of camels": in my current Norse campaign (reduxed) the saracenes brought camels as far as Lithuania - seem to spread all over the world....no place to hide, nowhere to run.. encircled by camels and no sweet smelling Houris around...the world is gonna end.... ;-)))))))

daigaku
If camels are brought that far north they start to mutate turning into snow/polar camels which can be ridden only by Janissary eskimoes.

drone

04-25-2012, 15:37

If camels are brought that far north they start to mutate turning into snow/polar camels which can be ridden only by Janissary eskimoes.
I've modded that out of my game, way too OP.

daigaku

04-25-2012, 15:48

Hi, Gilrandir

If camels are brought that far north they start to mutate turning into snow/polar camels which can be ridden only by Janissary eskimoes.

I`VE SEEN THEM!!! THEY ARE TERRIBLE!! frozen snot around their nose from spitting at their unused (and evil smelling!) riders, eyes turned blue from the frost, the teeth clattering whilst trying to bite the foe the rider is targeting them towards....Nightmare on Ice Road, serving snow-desert-death to astonished Norse warriors who believe Ragnarök has come......

;-) daigaku

Gilrandir

04-25-2012, 16:57

I`VE SEEN THEM!!! THEY ARE TERRIBLE!! frozen snot around their nose from spitting, eyes turned blue from the frost, the teeth clattering whilst trying to bite the foe ....Nightmare on Ice Road, serving snow-desert-death to astonished Norse warriors who believe Ragnarцk has come......

;-) daigaku
Hi daigaku
You painted a fearsome picture. I wonder what the camels look like if their riders are so appalling!:laugh4:

daigaku

04-26-2012, 10:36

Hi Gilrandir,

those POLAR CAMELS sure don´t look like this friendly DROMEDAR in caravel´s post - changing realms is changing mood. Grim climate, grim character, grim warriors, grim camels...I love to play the Norse!!!

;-) daigaku

Axalon

04-26-2012, 17:58

Their superiority to humans is widely recognized whereever MTW is played.

Try telling that to my infantry. Whenever these boys are on a picknick in North Africa (or the Middle East), they have camel-burgers for breakfast, lunch and dinner. So much for da camels... :wink2:

- A

daigaku

04-27-2012, 07:59

Hi Axalon,

this Camel-Burger thing only worked because your Inf didn´t meet those Mutated Monsters one encounters faaaar abroad their original homelands. There those merry men would have died terrible deaths - drowning in icy spit, heads split from cleaved(?) hooves, bitten the sword hand away with clattering teeth - no heroic death for a decent warrior.....but this way they are, those Camels....

grinning greetings, daigaku

edyzmedieval

04-29-2012, 11:51

Just give me a horde of Saharan Cavalry with a few Mamluks and I shall serve you Camel Burgers whenever you wish! :knight:

daigaku

04-29-2012, 13:54

Hi, edyzmedieval,

...I actually prefer Sahara Horse Steak for my Norse B@st@rds ;-)))

grinning greetings daigaku

Gilrandir

04-30-2012, 14:51

Just give me a horde of Saharan Cavalry with a few Mamluks and I shall serve you Camel Burgers whenever you wish! :knight:

I thought camels beat horses. Or does it apply to catholic cavalry only?

drone

04-30-2012, 16:01

I thought camels beat horses. Or does it apply to catholic cavalry only?
The "horses fear camels" penalty applies to Saharan Cav and Mamluks. Mamluk HAs or Faris would be the best way to reach your Camel Burger quota, slow, fat, and juicy targets for mounted archers. Until the camel Cataphracts show up...

daigaku

04-30-2012, 17:16

Hi drone,

Until the camel Cataphracts show up...

...as slow as they are, just get them roasted in their tanks trying to chase down THAs ;-))) have a good and decent (as stated prefer steaks) Camel Sundowner Special Steak...

hungry greetings daigaku

edyzmedieval

05-04-2012, 12:25

This thread makes me hungry. Burgers, steak, juicy...

Gilrandir

05-04-2012, 16:16

This thread makes me hungry. Burgers, steak, juicy...
You may turn to "Gah! Or Hello!!!" thread - it will make you thirsty as well. :laugh4:

daigaku

05-06-2012, 00:40

Hi, GilRandir,

You may turn to "Gah! Or Hello!!!" thread - it will make you thirsty as well. :laugh4:

...aaaah yes, a Camel Sundowner Special Steak, washed down with some Tsipouro, getting slightly "pished", and then a greek Mokka and an Egyptian cigarette ----- that´s life!!!

;-)) daigaku

Gilrandir

05-06-2012, 13:45

Hi, GilRandir,

...aaaah yes, a Camel Sundowner Special Steak, washed down with some Tsipouro, getting slightly "pished", and then a greek Mokka and an Egyptian cigarette ----- thatґs life!!!

;-)) daigaku
Please, no smoking at the forum!! (Drone, am I interfering with your duties?)

daigaku

05-06-2012, 14:51

Hi, GilRandir,

...BUT I DON`T LIKE CHEWING TOBACCO!!!

;-))) daigaku

Gilrandir

05-07-2012, 06:46

Hi, GilRandir,

...BUT I DON`T LIKE CHEWING TOBACCO!!!

;-))) daigaku
You may try brewing and drinking it. :laugh4:

daigaku

05-07-2012, 23:56

Hi, GilRandir,

hmmmm.....tobacco wine.....flavoured with a tiny bit vanilla and apple.....hmmmmmm....let´s have a look for the equipment in my cellar......;-)))

smoking and drinking greetings daigaku