Mini Game: Vanilla Game 6 [Concluded]

[Visor]

Yeah, that's right, another one. Sign up if you want. 10 players again hopefully.

Going to be testing out a few new ideas this time around, as with my other games. I will try to make a balanced and enjoyable game, but I cannot guarentee balance.

Rules:
•24 hour days and 24 hour night phases. Phases may be extended if needed and if I require.
•You can contribute after death, can't use private offthread info though, can't PM people, etc.
•You may not post your role PM or quote anything by me, however you may paraphrase
•No screenshots, etc.
•You may talk to players outside the thread.
•You will vote for players you want lynched during the day, using the format, Vote: Visorslash. Votes must be in bold to count. If you wish to unvote, simply: Unvote; Vote: ATPG. You don't need to do a semicolon, I just think it looks nice.
•If you are replaced or WOG killed, please do not post in the thread anymore unless it is an apology. If you are replaced by choice, please don't comment in the game.
•If you think you won't be around during the night phase to give your night action, you can always PM me your night actions in advance.
•Votes that end in a tie, will result in a surprise
•No lynch and Abstain are allowed. THEY ARE THE SAME THING.
•Do not edit your posts. If you want to fix a grammar mistake or fix tags, that's fine, but don't alter your content. If you have another thought, just double post.
•Other stuff may happen. Don't be scared. DEATH MAY NOT BE THE END.
•Also, there is to be no lurking. If you miss three day phases in a row or 4 in total with any reasonable excuse or informing me why you will be WoG'ed. No exceptions.
•Have fun. This is not an option . If you don't think you'll have fun with this game... don't join it. Nor if you feel you won't be able to participate.
•Alignment will be revealed on death.

Players 10/10:
1. Montmorency
2. atheotes
3. Nightbringer
4. SalmonSoil
5. LazyMcCrow
6. Ishmael
7. BSmith
8. Arjos
9. Robbiecon
10. DaveShack

Reserves 1:
1. Chaotix

[Montmorency]

Now, balance can't be judged on the basis of a single game's outcome.

[Visor]

It's not the same setup. I may retry a similar one to that game someday, but right now I just want to test concepts and ideas for larger games.

[atheotes]

I am in.

[Nightbringer]

I'm In

[SalmonSoil]

Reminds me of my time in 'Nam.

[LazyMcCrow]

In Please :2thumbsup:

[Visor]

Game is on temporary hold. Sign up if you want, it won't be on hold for very long.

[Ishmael]

Hopefully I won't be lynched D1 this time. In please!

[LazyMcCrow]

Game is on temporary hold. Sign up if you want, it won't be on hold for very long.

Not on my account I hope. Sorry if my post in the sign-up thread implied impatience on my part. I would much rather this proceeded in advance of my game :bow:

[BSmith]

in.

[Arjos]

In, but cmon a bit of fantasy with the title? :P

[Visor]

It's a running joke considering I never host vanilla mini games. But next time, if it makes you happy. :tongue:

[robbiecon]

I'll give this a try.

In please.

[Chaotix]

I'll sign on as reserve if you can't get the full 10 or need a replacement. :bow:

[Visor]

One more player needed.

[DaveShack]

OK, I have given others enough time to beat me to it. IN, and ready to start. :bow:

[Visor]

Oh.. now I have to design a game. :laugh4:

[Visor]

I'll use an idea I had before, some may remember.

Basically PM me a power, it can be any kind of power you like, but use your judgement please, I won't accept a power that can kill 5 people at night, for example. I will randomise the powers and they will be handed out. I'll balance the mafia and town distribution as well, and maybe throw in a third party. But get to it, remember, be creative!

No, this isn't just because I'm lazy. I really want to see what you guys have to offer in terms of roles.

SalmonSoil
Montmorency
LazyMcCrow
Ishmael
DaveShack
BSmith
Nightbringer
atheotes
Arjos
robbiecon

[Visor]

Of course if you don't want to do that, that's fine, just say so, and if enough people are against it, I'll choose the roles.

[DaveShack]

Interesting idea, thinking...

[Visor]

Some really neat suggestions.

Just missing something from atheotes and SalmonSoil

[SalmonSoil]

Ooh sorry, will cogitate on that for a bit.

[Visor]

All roles made. This will be a very interesting game.

I need to balance, etc. It should start tomorrow.

[Visor]

That was a bitch to balance. I'm not even sure if I did it right, but I am very interested to see how this works.

Randomising roles and sending them out.

Also, if you stated that such and such role was a town/mafia/TP role, do not believe that it is. I choose the alignment of the role, and I have the final say.

I will reveal alignment, not role.

[Visor]

All roles sent out:

Mafia VC: Kill town and TP
Town VC: Kill mafia and TP


Rules:
•24 hour days and 24 hour night phases. Phases may be extended if needed and if I require.
•You can contribute after death, can't use private offthread info though, can't PM people, etc.
•You may not post your role PM or quote anything by me, however you may paraphrase
•If you think you won't be around during the night phase to give your night action, you can always PM me your night actions in advance.
•Votes that end in a tie, will result in a duel
•No lynch and Abstain are allowed. THEY ARE THE SAME THING.
•Do not edit your posts. If you want to fix a grammar mistake or fix tags, that's fine, but don't alter your content. If you have another thought, just double post.
•Other stuff may happen. Don't be scared. DEATH MAY NOT BE THE END.
•Also, there is to be no lurking. If you miss 2 day phases in a row or 3 in total with any reasonable excuse or informing me why you will be WoG'ed. No exceptions.
•Have fun. This is not an option . If you don't think you'll have fun with this game... don't join it. Nor if you feel you won't be able to participate.
•Alignment will be revealed on death.

Important rules are in the post above, beware, they are a little different!

If you wish for 48 hour days, please say so.

Day starts now and will go for 48 hours anyway.

[Montmorency]

Love me, love me,

say that you love me.

[Visor]

Timer:

[Arjos]

This was a very interesting idea Visor, playing eachother's creations is going to be fun!


Love me, love me,

say that you love me.

I take Monty got the cuddle monster? XD

[Nightbringer]

Love me, love me,

say that you love me.
Huh, silly little song. Me crush you now.
vote:monty

[Ishmael]

Continuing my theme of completely random methods to determine who to vote for, 2+1+4 = 7. Therefore, player number 7 is scum.

vote: BSmith

(come on, you can guess what I did - it's an easy one)

[Nightbringer]

Continuing my theme of completely random methods to determine who to vote for, 2+1+4 = 7. Therefore, player number 7 is scum.

vote: BSmith

(come on, you can guess what I did - it's an easy one)

Based on the countdown timer?

[SalmonSoil]

The invisible hand of the free market has decided that vote: Ishmael is the most efficient allocation of resources.

On a side note are we allowed to post in thread the role we invented?

[BSmith]

vote: SalmonSoil for being unluky enough to have posted before me.

[Arjos]

Vote: robbiecon

Welcome back mate!

[Montmorency]

I would tell you what my role contribution was, but unfortunately I have no idea what it is like now.

Know that, depending on precisely how extensively Visor balanced it, it is either a dud or...

:wink:

Vote: No Lynch

[Visor]

You may not reveal the role you suggested to me.

[DaveShack]

Vote: Monty


[obligatory reason]No lynch sounds like a good way for scum to leave someone else to point the finger at later. [/obligatory reason]

[Montmorency]

I'm gonna die in your arms tonight;
It'll be something in your role.
I'm gonna die in your arms today;
It'll be some kind of vote.
I should've stayed away,
I should've lurked all Day.

http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-whistle-3.gif (http://www.smiley-faces.org) :heart:

[atheotes]

Vote: No Lynch

[atheotes]

I'm gonna die in your arms tonight;
It'll be something in your role.
I'm gonna die in your arms today;
It'll be some kind of vote.
I should've stayed away,
I should've lurked all Day.

http://www.smiley-faces.org/smiley-faces/smiley-face-whistle-3.gif (http://www.smiley-faces.org) :heart:

Now i am tempted to vote for you!

[Arjos]

What a dreadful role, lynch it, lynch it! XD

[LazyMcCrow]

vote: abstain

~:grouphug:

[Visor]

Not going to be here at the phase end, and I won't be able to update until 9pmish anyway, which is a better time for me as well.

Phase still ends at appropriate time.

Tally:

Monty: (Nightbringer, DaveShack)
BSmith: (Ishmael
Ishmael: (SalmonSoil
SalmonSoil: (BSmith
Robbiecon: (Arjos
No Lynch: (Montmorency, Atheotes, LazyMcCrow)

[Montmorency]

But Crow's vote is invalid!

I would appreciate it being counted, though.

[Visor]

Ah true that. It is invalid. I will have to discount it.

[Ishmael]

Just seeking some clarification Visorslash - when you say no lynch and abstain are the same, do you mean that no lynch votes count as abstain votes, or vice versa? For example, if the tally remained the same today would no lynch occur, or would Montmorency be lynched?

[Visor]

I mean Abstain = No Lynch.

[Montmorency]

Dammit Crow, it's too late.

If you want my love, don't tell me 'bout tomorrow
Cause I can't wait one more day.
Cold in the night, waiting for a promise;
So all alone I'm hanging on.

Crow-man, don't play this game;
You'll never get my lovin this way.
All this time, you've been livin' for the moment
It works for some, but not for me no.

It's not enough, to tell me you love me.
It's not enough, to tell me that you cried.
It's not enough, to tell me you're sorry.
If you want me dead, then scum you must tell me.
Oh tell me, scum.

[LazyMcCrow]

Dammit Crow, it's too late.

If you want my love, don't tell me 'bout tomorrow
Cause I can't wait one more day.
Cold in the night, waiting for a promise;
So all alone I'm hanging on.

Crow-man, don't play this game;
You'll never get my lovin this way.
All this time, you've been livin' for the moment
It works for some, but not for me no.

It's not enough, to tell me you love me.
It's not enough, to tell me that you cried.
It's not enough, to tell me you're sorry.
If you want me dead, then scum you must tell me.
Oh tell me, scum.

:freak:

Bah. Sorry i forgot to bold. If I was hosting I would not count the vote.

[Montmorency]

Lynched on D1,
And you're to blame;
You give abstention
A bad name!

[LazyMcCrow]

Lynched on D1,
And you're to blame;
You give abstention
A bad name!

(Nothing to do with the guys who actually voted to lynch you :rolleyes:)
But yes - my bad. Can you keep up with the love-based lyrics from beyond the grave?

[Visor]

It was a dark and stormy.. no-one was lynched. That means you get the benefit of no horrifying writeups with dismemberment and disembowelment. How fortunate.

A mysterious aura resonates about everyone for some absurd reason, what could this be?

Players 10/10:
1. Montmorency
2. atheotes
3. Nightbringer
4. SalmonSoil
5. LazyMcCrow
6. Ishmael
7. BSmith
8. Arjos
9. Robbiecon
10. DaveShack

24 hours for night phase, ORDERS IN!

[SalmonSoil]

Disappointing, I was excited to watch Montmorency duel No-one to see who got lynched.

[Montmorency]

The beast's strength waxes; if we do not hurry, there will be nothing on this world that could stop him.

:brood:

[Ishmael]

The beast's strength waxes; if we do not hurry, there will be nothing on this world that could stop him.

:brood:

...are you referring to the aura?

[Visor]

DaveShack was thinking about the implications of the massive recession, when his head exploded.

Nightbringer turned, after hearing the sound and wailed in misery, grabbing the nearest sharp object, a knife, and slit his own throat.

The Communist smiled unnaturally as the Aura infected DaveShack's body and rebuilt him.

He groaned and grasped his head, he saw Nightbringer's corpse, not realising his previous attachment to him, and walked off into the distance.

The Communist laughed and walked away.

---------------------------------------------------------------

Summary of events:

DaveShack has been killed.
He was a LOVER!

Nightbringer has killed himself.
He was a LOVER!

DaveShack has been revived!

Alive: 9/10
1. Montmorency
2. atheotes
4. SalmonSoil
5. LazyMcCrow
6. Ishmael
7. BSmith
8. Arjos
9. Robbiecon
10. DaveShack

Dead:
3. Nightbringer, committed suicide N1.

Time:

Begin Day 2. REMEMBER TO VOTE FOR 24 OR 48 HOUR DAYS!

[BSmith]

vote: DaveShack. Zombie Commies are never a good thing.

24 hour days are fine with me.

[Montmorency]

Well that was pointless.

Vote: Bsmith

Daveshack is cool.


The Communist smiled unnaturally as the Aura infected DaveShack's body and rebuilt him.

Communist, please contact me. Or else what? Or else I will kill you.
:smug:

[Montmorency]

Oh, whoops.

I just made a slip.

I didn't need to show my hand there, when I know that atheotes is the Communist. :undecided:

:unvote; Vote: atheotes

[LazyMcCrow]

Oh, whoops.

I just made a slip.

I didn't need to show my hand there, when I know that atheotes is the Communist. :undecided:

:unvote; Vote: atheotes

I don't know if Daveshack is 'cool' per se. He is apparently an Ex-Lover. I'd be interested to hear how you 'know' atheotes is the communist.
vote for 24 hour day times is fine.

Vote: No Lynch

[Ishmael]

Didn't we all learn something about blindly lynching Communists from Capo, hmm? :beam:

In seriousness, the Communist role is apparently somebody who can revive dead people using that 'aura' we saw earlier (yes, I know I'm stating the obvious. Bear with me). It seems somewhat fortuitous that he targeted a person who was nightkilled on N1, which makes me think that his role is a general, very possibly one-shot, ability to revive whoever was killed that night. Whatever the mechanics, I don't see why we want to lynch somebody who has resurrected an almost-confirmed townie. Or have I overlooked something?

[BSmith]

unvote; vote atheotes. I’m willing to give Monty the benefit of the doubt, but I too would like to know how you know atheotes is a commie – and for that matter how you know that DaveShack is cool.

[Montmorency]

In seriousness, the Communist role is apparently somebody who can revive dead people using that 'aura' we saw earlier (yes, I know I'm stating the obvious. Bear with me). It seems somewhat fortuitous that he targeted a person who was nightkilled on N1,

:laugh4:

I know exactly what he is. Notice that he is the only other person who voted (properly) for No Lynch.


and for that matter how you know that DaveShack is cool.

Please, take a look at who Nightbringer and Daveshack voted for yesterday. Take a loot at the content of my posts yesterday.


I don't know if Daveshack is 'cool' per se. He is apparently an Ex-Lover. I'd be interested to hear how you 'know' atheotes is the communist.
vote for 24 hour day times is fine.

Vote: No Lynch

Another No Lynch, and his power will only grow.

If he is not lynched today, he may kill me tonight.

Unless he is town, he is simply too dangerous to be left alive.

[SalmonSoil]

Now all of Monty's lyrics make sense...

I assume that a 'lover' is a townie? Otherwise we should pat ourselves on the back for revealing mafia day one

Nightbringer I think from the write up may have been forced to commit suicide. Of course his role may require him to kill himself for some benefit to his team?

It seems like the aura was ready to revive anyone who died that night, although it might be limited to one person. Although the write up seems to imply the Communist role is related to the aura I don't remember Marx promising anyone the powers of necromancy so hmmmm. Possibly the Communist is the third party and his power is necromancy? In which case I don't trust Daveshack, the write up makes him sound like a mindless drone to the third party.

vote: Daveshack

24 hour days are good with me.

[BSmith]

Two things give me pause about the DaveShack revival:

1. That it happened on N1 – meaning the reviver needed to be extraordinarily lucky with his pick. Unless it is a “whoever died” mechanic like Ishmael mentioned but that seems off when normally in a mafia game you have to be specific on what your actions are. What if there had been two kills – who would have been revived?
2. DaveShack is no longer is former self. That could mean he is just plain vanilla innocent now, but it doesn’t rule out something more sinister happening. But we do know that something changed with him. Perhaps DaveShack could enlighten us some?

[Montmorency]

Just know that atheotes will only grow stronger with time. :worried:

[LazyMcCrow]

:laugh4:

I know exactly what he is. Notice that he is the only other person who voted (properly) for No Lynch.



Please, take a look at who Nightbringer and Daveshack voted for yesterday. Take a loot at the content of my posts yesterday.



Another No Lynch, and his power will only grow.

If he is not lynched today, he may kill me tonight.

Unless he is town, he is simply too dangerous to be left alive.

But I have no idea why you remaining alive would be preferable at this stage. So we should just blindly follow your instruction? If atheotes is The Communist as you claim then I'd be surprised if he could recruit/ressurect AND kill you. Do you mean a 'No Lynch' will just give him more fodder towards a recruitment VC?

If my 'No Lynch' vote had been emboldened on Day 1 would that have made me a commie? Are you hunting communists? Coz it seems like something the mafia would love us to do. Can't wait to see how atheotes responds anyway.

[Montmorency]

If my 'No Lynch' vote had been emboldened on Day 1 would that have made me a commie? Are you hunting communists? Coz it seems like something the mafia would love us to do. Can't wait to see how atheotes responds anyway.

I have already revealed what I am, in that very post.

If your vote had been bolded, I would consider you one of two suspects.

I know nothing of recruitment, however. When I say he may kill me, I mean "may be able to". I do not know the full extent of his capabilities at this stage.

[atheotes]

I have already revealed what I am, in that very post.

If your vote had been bolded, I would consider you one of two suspects.

I know nothing of recruitment, however. When I say he may kill me, I mean "may be able to". I do not know the full extent of his capabilities at this stage.


So i want to kill you but didnt want you lynched? :wall:\
So what do you know about my capabilities? Please enlighten me.

24 hour days are fine.

[atheotes]

unvote; vote atheotes. I’m willing to give Monty the benefit of the doubt, but I too would like to know how you know atheotes is a commie – and for that matter how you know that DaveShack is cool.

You dont know anything and yet you follow with a vote?
Vote: BSmith

[BSmith]

Nice OMGUS there… It’s called a pressure vote to get you to react to Monty’s claims. So far you haven’t done much to change my mind, but I am willing to. Just give me a reason.

[DaveShack]

I am still my pro-town self, with my original ability and a slightly more specific personal goal.

No time to properly read back through D1, suffice it to say I was thoroughly confused for a bit. Actually, while writing this I got an idea, which I have not gone back and checked 100%. The lovers role got added after the game started, which I thought was strange. In fact it might have appeared immediately after day ended, which would imply Monty's power was "if lynched, survive and make the first two who voted for you lovers". That probably implies that I was targeted by both the mafia and someone else, who may or may not have been the communist. Great, targeted by 3 powers in one day/night cycle. :shocked2:

[LazyMcCrow]

I am still my pro-town self, with my original ability and a slightly more specific personal goal.

No time to properly read back through D1, suffice it to say I was thoroughly confused for a bit. Actually, while writing this I got an idea, which I have not gone back and checked 100%. The lovers role got added after the game started, which I thought was strange. In fact it might have appeared immediately after day ended, which would imply Monty's power was "if lynched, survive and make the first two who voted for you lovers". That probably implies that I was targeted by both the mafia and someone else, who may or may not have been the communist. Great, targeted by 3 powers in one day/night cycle. :shocked2:

The theory that Monty (God of Love) put you and Nightbringer together seems eminently reasonable. I doubt his ability had anything to with any lynching, I imagine that the host decided that there would be no day one lynch. It doesn't clear you of anything however: Monty making you and NB lovers doesn't mean you were both necessarily town. The only person this really clears is Monty IMO, and given that I know I am not the Communist, and that it makes sense that an intelligent player with Communist role would vote probably No Lynch: I am happy to vote: atheotes

[Arjos]

Vote: atheotes

His case does make sense, when looking at the voting in D1, but what exactly is Dave now? Both converted by Monty and then by the commie?

24h is fine by me...

[atheotes]

since you all seem convinced that i am scum, let me know what the case against me is - something other than Monty saying "I know atheotes is communist" - so that i can respond.

[LazyMcCrow]

since you all seem convinced that i am scum, let me know what the case against me is - something other than Monty saying "I know atheotes is communist" - so that i can respond.

I suppose that you are The Communist - as you show no inclination to deny it - then you aren't scum - by definition. Though by definition you cannot be town either.
If you aren't a third party role with a Victory condition that is mutually exclusive to that of Town - then what are you? Make it good - cause if Monty is right then there is every reason to lynch you now.

What was your action last night?

I'd be more than willing to consider taking my vote off you if you persuade me I should.

[Montmorency]

Atheotes, the reason I think you should be lynched is the possibility of your immortality.

I threatened you in my first post of the day. Does this allow you the opportunity to kill me?

How much experience do you currently have?

Convince me of your weakness or benignity and I will back down.

[Nightbringer]

I think any details of my role would fall into the category of private info, so I unfortunately can't help out on why I died. Good luck everyone!

[Montmorency]

You may not post your role PM or quote anything by me, however you may paraphrase

It's the role you submitted that you may not describe.

[atheotes]

I suppose that you are The Communist - as you show no inclination to deny it - then you aren't scum - by definition. Though by definition you cannot be town either.
If you aren't a third party role with a Victory condition that is mutually exclusive to that of Town - then what are you? Make it good - cause if Monty is right then there is every reason to lynch you now.

What was your action last night?

I'd be more than willing to consider taking my vote off you if you persuade me I should.

since you dint get it already - i am not the communist. I am a townie.right now i dont see any case against me other than Monty calling me a communist.


Atheotes, the reason I think you should be lynched is the possibility of your immortality.

I threatened you in my first post of the day. Does this allow you the opportunity to kill me?

How much experience do you currently have?

Convince me of your weakness or benignity and I will back down.

Whoever is feeding you this information is making a fool out of you! if it is your own deduction you better start off from scratch!

[Montmorency]

That's how you spin it, eh?

You must be lynched.

[atheotes]

All this "convince me of your innocence" is hogwash. Nobody, possibly other than the 2 who died last night, can convince anyone else of their innocence.
All i can say is i am a townie and i did not do anything last night.

I still dont get the stupid theory that voting "No Lynch" makes me powerful. i voted no lynch because there were no viable candidates, it being D1, and thought it would be nice for everyone to be able to use their powers in this game setup.

[Montmorency]

What powers, then, would you claim? The correspondence with what I know is simply too near to be mere coincidence.

[atheotes]

I am not going to reveal my role except that i am a townie. I dont like to play that way and if you guys want to lynch me for that- i dont care.

[Nightbringer]

"You can contribute after death, can't use private offthread info though, can't PM people, etc."

I take that as meaning I can't reveal things about my role after death

[Montmorency]

I take that as meaning I can't reveal things about my role after death

Oh, right.


I am not going to reveal my role except that i am a townie. I dont like to play that way and if you guys want to lynch me for that- i dont care.

How predictable. But the risk is too high.

[Ishmael]

I am not going to reveal my role except that i am a townie. I dont like to play that way and if you guys want to lynch me for that- i dont care.

Atheotes, I wasn't going to vote for you based on the 'evidence' provided, but your response to the accusations against you have tipped me over the mark. The "I want to let people use their powers at night argument" seems odd from a townie, and saying "fine, lynch me, see if I care" is just blatant - the majority of the times I have seen people say that they have been scum.

vote: atheotes

[SalmonSoil]

I'm not sure if Atheotes really is guilty. Sure his defense is kind of scummy, but he isn't really defending himself against much other than blind faith. I too thought it would be cruel to kill people so early in this game before they got a chance to some of those exciting powers, I just chose to vote against that.

On last nights events: I'm thinking that Nightbringer and Daveshack were tied together as lovers, after Daveshack died Nightbringer was so bereft he had to commit suicide. Daveshack now has no attachment to Nightbringer. Monty knew something about this, and that strengthens his argument for knowing about Atheotes role too, however that doesn't necessarily mean we should trust him. I don't like the way he is being so vague about the prior evidence for his role, directing people to find it themselves. It would be much easier to point it out for us. Also notice how he posted all those love songs yesterday, its as if he was setting it up so that there would be evidence that he knew about Daveshack / Nightbringer.

unvote; vote: Montmorency until he explains properly and plainly where he is getting his information from, and why we should trust him.

I assume we are allowed to reveal what our own roles are while we are alive right?

[Montmorency]

It would be much easier to point it out for us.

You mean like in that very post, wherein was quoted the very post that held the answer?


Also notice how he posted all those love songs yesterday, its as if he was setting it up so that there would be evidence that he knew about Daveshack / Nightbringer.

Almost as if I had realized that I would need to cover for the fact that I didn't know about them?

I am, as Crow deduced, the God of Love. Not clear? As for atheotes, I am restrained to say. I can only be oblique.


I too thought it would be cruel to kill people so early in this game before they got a chance to some of those exciting powers,

If that were the whole point, I should rightly be lynched as having already used my ability to its extent. In fact, however, Town's goal is to prevent hostiles from effecting their bone-melting potential.

What are your Fabulous Magic Powers, then?

[atheotes]

You know for a fact that everyone has magical powers?

[Montmorency]

That's the implication. The game's setup does not suffer vanilla.

[atheotes]

non-vanilla doesnt mean magical to me... you have a magical role and you are assuming everyone does?

[Montmorency]

Don't get in a semantic knot. Whether abilities are supposed to be literally magical or not is irrelevant. The point is that there are quite a few abilities/powers floating around, some more unusual than others.

[atheotes]

ok. You are voting for me because you think i am the communist. The way i see it, that is the only case against me.
Why do you think i am the communist?


Also, Salmon needs to be monitored. His vote on Monty - the possibility of the "God of Love" being scum are slim, but he could be the third party - and his support of me, can be something of a mafia tactic. The alignment reveal upon my death will show that i am a townie, which the mafia probably assume already. Salmon might come off as someone supporting a townie. Also consider that fact that his vote support of me is so late, that i am doomed anyway.

[Montmorency]

It is not by me unheard of, that a role may possess a clause whereby a successful No Lynch, if the role occupier contributes to it, will cause the random resurrection of a dead player.

[atheotes]

ok...so your contribution to the game was the Communist role. But you are barking at the wrong tree.

[Montmorency]

ok...so your contribution to the game was the Communist role. But you are barking at the wrong tree.

No! I said no such thing. I don't know what you're talking about.

[atheotes]

Is there no chance of me surviving the day? Monty, i hope you werent doing anything pro-town last night!

[SalmonSoil]

You mean like in that very post, wherein was quoted the very post that held the answer?


Please, take a look at who Nightbringer and Daveshack voted for yesterday. Take a loot at the content of my posts yesterday.

Usually at this point I would expect a player to declare they were the God of Love, instead of telling everyone to figure it out themselves. Nightbringer and Daveshack voted for you. Then they both got night killed and were revealed as lovers. At the same time you were posting mafia related lyrics about love. I'm assuming you made them lovers, then unlucky Daveshack got night killed and as a condition of being a lover Nightbringer died. Your assumption that Daveshack is cool means that possibly Nightbringers death bought him back to life, but that might not be true. You see how it would be easier if you just explained to us what happened? I for one have never encountered a God of Love in mafia before.

I see now that you can't reveal what you think Atheotes is because you believe he has the role you designed. From what I have gathered that role uses no lynches to fuel resurrections and from you statement on immortality possibly makes the player invulnerable to lynches and other deadly effects. These resurrected players are harmless themselves but are of some use to that role, perhaps fueling its immortality? Maybe they act as human shields for this role. This is why you are vague about it, and i can see why it would be a dangerous role in the hands of a communist and why we should suspect everyone who voted no lynch for having it.


Almost as if I had realized that I would need to cover for the fact that I didn't know about them?

When I wrote that post I thought you might have some sort of power giving you information on other players, then hinting heavily at a role that was about to be revealed would give you evidence to convince people to follow your lead in the future. This was because you being the God of Love didn't seem to explain your knowledge of Atheotes, I now see where that knowledge comes from.


I am, as Crow deduced, the God of Love. Not clear? As for atheotes, I am restrained to say. I can only be oblique.

Thanks for the reveal.

I see now that you can't reveal what you think Atheotes is because you believe he has the role you designed. From what I have gathered that role uses no lynches to fuel resurrections and from you statement on immortality possibly makes the player invulnerable to lynches and other deadly effects. These resurrected players are harmless themselves but are of some use to that role, perhaps fueling its immortality? Maybe they act as human shields for this role. This is why you are vague about it, and i can see why it would be a dangerous role in the hands of a communist and why we should suspect everyone who voted no lynch for having it.


If that were the whole point, I should rightly be lynched as having already used my ability to its extent. In fact, however, Town's goal is to prevent hostiles from effecting their bone-melting potential.

What are your Fabulous Magic Powers, then?

Clearly its not the point, and I haven't acting according to that impulse. I'm just saying it is understandable that on day one you might be reluctant to destroy part of what I'm sure is a beautifully diverse range of powers.

At the time I wrote that it hadn't occurred to me you would be vague over Atheotes because the rules required you to, and that the only explanation for your campaign against him had to be some sort of power giving you knowledge of his role. Given this it seemed reasonable to demand you explain why you knew about him as well as Daveshack and Nightbringer. However I don't think everyone should be obliged to role reveal, it would be too easy for scum to just make up a role that seems non-threatening, and they can't be called out on it. Basically, I see no reason why I should reveal my role.

I'm would remove my vote from you, because I no longer think you are guilty, but at the moment Atheotes is pretty much lynched anyway, and to make sure you don't have to worry about me trying to resurrect anyone, I don't want to vote no lynch.

And I'm sure that either the host doesn't mind you indicating that you think a player has the role you invented, as long as you don't give any confirmation to other players if their guesses at the role are correct. You should maybe check that.

[Montmorency]

For the record, I never said anything about the role I submitted. This is merely a potential ability I have knowledge of; I can not of course comment on whether or not I included any such thing.

I merely realized that certain developments could be interpreted as a fulfillment of certain criteria...

:bow:

[atheotes]

Monty, i hope you werent doing anything pro-town last night!

[Montmorency]

Why? Do you have clearance to explain?

I can't do anything anymore anyway.

[atheotes]

I dont know if i have clearance. I want to do my bit for the town befor i die. A simple yes/no might suffice.
Depending on your answer I may or may not change my mind.

[Montmorency]

I performed no action during N1.

[atheotes]

A shame then - i will have no impact on the game.


"Daykill: Self”.

[Montmorency]

No! With 10 players at start, there is a free kill before extra kills reduce the number of rounds.

[atheotes]

If you are so sure i am the Communist, why do you care?

[Montmorency]

OK.

The lynch will put paid to your threats and blandishments, creature.

[atheotes]

I am not going to be lynched! :laugh4:

[Montmorency]

Men, stop it quickly - it's transforming!

Send in everyone!

[BSmith]

unvote; vote: Monty. The lynch on atheotes looks like it will go forward, but just in case he is able to day kill himself then we need a second lynch option. Monty fits that bill for two reasons:

1. He has already stated his ability is pretty much done with, so he is essentially a vanilla townie (if he is indeed town). I’d rather lose a vanilla townie over a non-vanilla one.
2. If atheotes is indeed town, then this is a good secondary option since Monty was his main accuser.

[SalmonSoil]

If Atheotes is truly town he wont day kill himself unless he is certain of Monty's guilt.

[atheotes]

there are other reasons to day kill myself.

But you guys should lynch BSmith...he just wants to get rid of as many as possible.

[Visor]

Day Over, wasn't here when round was over, sorry.

[LazyMcCrow]

there are other reasons to day kill myself.

But you guys should lynch BSmith...he just wants to get rid of as many as possible.

I agree. I don't agree that role-reveal is against the spirit of the game though - I initially asked for more details of your role because 1) You were accused based on role and that I felt you needed to do something pro-town to save yourself. I think you just got all curmudgeonly for being targeted. I also think that you are probably town. unvote: vote: BSmith

[LazyMcCrow]

NO!
face
palm

[LazyMcCrow]

meh. Unless there is some power role based on voting strength in play, I don't think my vote switch would have made any difference to the result. I think atheotes would still be in front by a nose

[Visor]

The town gathered around Monty and Atheotes. They argued and argued about which one to lynch. Eventually it was decided that Monty would die.

They beat the crap out of him until he was unrecognisable.

Atheotes killed himself.
---------------------------------------------------------------

Summary of events:

Montmorency has been lynched!
He was a MEMBER OF THE TOWN!

Atheotes has killed himself.
He was a MEMBER OF THE TOWN!

Alive: 7/10
4. SalmonSoil
5. LazyMcCrow
6. Ishmael
7. BSmith
8. Arjos
9. Robbiecon
10. DaveShack

Dead 3/10:
3. Nightbringer, committed suicide N1.
1. Montmorency, lynched D2.
2. atheotes, suicided D2.


Time:

Begin Night 2, Orders in!

[Montmorency]

The final tally was 2-3, no? Seems like there's been some chicanery.

Something of a blow...

[Ishmael]

The final tally was 2-3, no? Seems like there's been some chicanery.

Something of a blow...

I was curious myself, so here it is:

atheotes (Montmorency, Arjos, Ishmael)
Montmorency (SalmonSoil, BSmith)
BSmith (atheotes)
No lynch (Lazy McCrow)

Something that struck me when drawing this up; Lazy McCrow, what's with your weird voting this game? Day 1 you forgot to bold your vote (for no lynch), day 2 you forgot to unvote (for no lynch) before re-voting and then forgot to change your vote until just after the round finished. You've always struck me as a fairly careful person, so this seems somewhat uncharacteristic.

[Arjos]

I think that the suicide, invalidated the votes, so the runner-up got lynched...

[atheotes]

Something that struck me when drawing this up; Lazy McCrow, what's with your weird voting this game? Day 1 you forgot to bold your vote (for no lynch), day 2 you forgot to unvote (for no lynch) before re-voting and then forgot to change your vote until just after the round finished. You've always struck me as a fairly careful person, so this seems somewhat uncharacteristic.

So i was not imagining things...Once i realized Monty contributed the communist role, i went to check back to see if Lazy could be the communist. Perhaps i did not pay enough attention. it being around 3 AM did not help.

[Montmorency]

Don't say that!

And yes, Arjos' point was overlooked.

Lynch Crow, then. I dunno, maybe any No Lynch at all, not merely a contributed-to one, is the condition.


If my 'No Lynch' vote had been emboldened on Day 1 would that have made me a commie? Are you hunting communists? Coz it seems like something the mafia would love us to do. Can't wait to see how atheotes responds anyway.

[LazyMcCrow]

I was curious myself, so here it is:

atheotes (Montmorency, Arjos, Ishmael)
Montmorency (SalmonSoil, BSmith)
BSmith (atheotes)
No lynch (Lazy McCrow)

Something that struck me when drawing this up; Lazy McCrow, what's with your weird voting this game? Day 1 you forgot to bold your vote (for no lynch), day 2 you forgot to unvote (for no lynch) before re-voting and then forgot to change your vote until just after the round finished. You've always struck me as a fairly careful person, so this seems somewhat uncharacteristic.

You were curious yourself? Interesting.
My 'weird' voting this game can be attributed to two things.
Day 1 - I forgot to bold my vote - this can be attributed to my carelessness
Day 2 - You say I forgot to unvote? I hadn't even noticed that. That can be attributed to my carelessness
I then 'forgot' to change my vote until after the day had finished. Not so! - I play this from work generally and this means that my time is limited to windows of opportunity to catch up with the thread - so I hadn't 'forgotten' at all. I was happy to see how atheotes responded to Monty's accusation and it was apparent from his response to me at least that he wasn't scum. So I unvoted. While making my post, Visor pointed out in a cross post that the phase had ended. This further failure on my part can be attributed; partly to my carelessness and also to the fact that I am GMT - timing of phases is very important, as was precisely demonstrable in that last point. I realise that these points compounded makes me look suspicious, but I take issue with your last point (My bold in your quote above) I think its fairly clear that I am NOT a particularly careful person. You last point is a total scum-tell. My voting this game has been flaky - you are right to pick up on it - most townie of you. Making up a justification for doing so is however most scummy of you. If I am alive tomorrow - and I hope to be given my awesome townie powers - I shall vote for you. :bow:

[Visor]

No-one has died!

Begin Day 3.

Alive: 7/10
4. SalmonSoil
5. LazyMcCrow
6. Ishmael
7. BSmith
8. Arjos
9. Robbiecon
10. DaveShack

Dead 3/10:
3. Nightbringer, committed suicide N1.
1. Montmorency, lynched D2.
2. atheotes, suicided D2.


Time:

[Arjos]

Vote: BSmith

He could have simply voted for "No Lynch" last phase, not to mention he was liable for a tie and voted to save himself...

[robbiecon]

Vote: No Lynch, apologies that I haven't been here, my finals start next week.

Main reason for the no lynch is I'm that bit behind as to what's going on in the game because of this, I will try and read up tomorrow.

Any ideas about why the suicides are happening? Game mechanic, or people quitting?

[Montmorency]

Do not vote No Lynch. Lynch Crow. He's the only possible alternative.

The suicide was a Lover matter, and Crow's ability revived the murdered lover.

Atheotes day-killed himself so that I would be lynched in his stead.

[DaveShack]

I think it's pretty clear that the right move is to vote: Lazy McCrow.

It looks to me like voting on D1 counted towards the no lynch somehow, activating the resurrection power. I have reason to believe that resurrected players help a TP's VC. If this role is a TP, it's clearly better to lynch the known than to shoot for an unknown.

Scum not killing is interesting. Either the scum forgot to send orders, chose not to kill (to deny TP a body to raise?), or got blocked.

[LazyMcCrow]

I think it's pretty clear that the right move is to vote: Lazy McCrow.

It looks to me like voting on D1 counted towards the no lynch somehow, activating the resurrection power. I have reason to believe that resurrected players help a TP's VC. If this role is a TP, it's clearly better to lynch the known than to shoot for an unknown.

Scum not killing is interesting. Either the scum forgot to send orders, chose not to kill (to deny TP a body to raise?), or got blocked.

Pretty clear? What nonsense. Nothing is clear at this point, but: As usual - Monty drives the car and you (Dave) are just choosing to sit in it and pretend you have your own steering wheel. Read Daveshack's analysis back to yourself: You are making massive assumptions and writing them down as gospel. And he was the one who was resurrected! I had nothing to do with the resurrection, - seems weird to me that if I did then Daveshack be voting me?!!

[atheotes]

Atheotes day-killed himself so that I would be lynched in his stead.

that is a little blinkered, dont you think?

[Montmorency]

I don't.

[LazyMcCrow]

I assume atheotes Day-killed himself because he thought he would be taking a scum down with him.

[atheotes]

I don't.

were you even the lead candidate when i killed myself? I did so early enough giving you a chance to save yourself! :tongue2:

[LazyMcCrow]

well. possibly my last contribution to the thread before a busy weekend: I vote: Ishmael I shall try to look in sporadically. :bow:

[Ishmael]

Finally get a chance to check in here, and I don't see anything to change my planned vote.

vote: Lazy McCrow

I will freely admit that your strange voting pattern could just be carelessness on your part. However, the 'aura' after the D1 no lynch and its zombiefication of Daveshack/killing of Nightbringer, coupled with the fact we know there will be some unconventional roles, makes me feel that it's too much of a risk not to lynch you.

[BSmith]

vote: Arjos What’s so scummy about voting to save myself? I am the one person I know for sure is innocent. The Monty vote was a good option. I was leaning more towards atheotes being innocent, and took the chance that perhaps Monty was not based on how hard he was pushing the lynch. Hind sight is 20/20 though, and it was a bad move. But even then, as I said earlier – if we had to lose a townie, Monty was the best choice as he freely admitted he had already used his ability and was nothing more than a vanilla townie.

I saw three possibilities:

1. Lynch a scumbag .
2. Lynch a townie with a useful ability.
3. Lynch a townie with no ability.

I was naturally hoping for option 1, but the fallback was option 3. Option 2 was the worst possible outcome.

[SalmonSoil]

Lynch: LazyMcCrow

Given Monty's innocence I see no reason not to trust the information he gave us. This is that the third party uses no lynches to fuel its victory conditions in someway. This makes you the most likely candidate for being the third party.

[Visor]

Alright. Salmon's vote is invalid as it is after the deadline.

Tallying, calculating, be back soon.

[Montmorency]

Didn't the round end an hour and one-half ago? Or is this another one of those timer issues?

[Visor]

Didn't the round end an hour and one-half ago? Or is this another one of those timer issues?

TImer issue. THe round was scheduled to end at 9am. And his vote was at 345pm.

[LazyMcCrow]

:shrug: have a nice game.

[Visor]

Round ain't over yet. :bow:

[SalmonSoil]

Wierd, I thought I had at least another 5 hours? Is the timer related to time zones or something?

[Ishmael]

Wierd, I thought I had at least another 5 hours? Is the timer related to time zones or something?

It was wacky for me as well, and I'm nearly in the same time zone as Visorslash - this morning, with 2 hours to go (as I now know) it said there was 18 hours remaining. However, now it is saying the round is finished, whilst if it had stuck to that timing then there would still be a few hours left. I think I'll just work the deadline out manually in the future.

[Montmorency]

Location: The Red Centre

Have I failed yet again?

[Ishmael]

Have I failed yet again?

Nearly the same - I'm only half an hour behind the eastern states now that daylight savings has finished.

[Montmorency]

Why do you change the subject?

:stare:

[Visor]

Round is over. Standby for writeup.

[Visor]

No-one has been lynched. The strange aura appeared once more. A faint laugh was heard.

Begin Night 3.

Alive: 7/10
4. SalmonSoil
5. LazyMcCrow
6. Ishmael
7. BSmith
8. Arjos
9. Robbiecon
10. DaveShack

Dead 3/10:
3. Nightbringer, committed suicide N1.
1. Montmorency, lynched D2.
2. atheotes, suicided D2.


Time:

[Ishmael]

Why do you change the subject?

:stare:

Wait, what? You were the one who inquired (obliquely) about my location.

My best guess as to the no lynch is that either robbiecon (who voted no lynch) has a voting strength >1, or that somebody else does and a tied vote becomes a no lynch. I'm leaning towards option A, simply because it required less assumptions. Of course, as I type this I realise it could have been a day power by somebody (the Communist?) as well. Hmm....

EDIT: By the way, my timer is reading 1 day, 9 hours, 48 minutes. Can somebody confirm this for me?

[Visor]

23 hours, 57 minutes, something seconds.

[Montmorency]

Oh boy. I do hope it's me tonight. If it's not me, town will absolutely have lost.

[DaveShack]

TIMER=4/29/2012 11:00 PM GMT+10

My Current time 4/28 11:56 AM GMT-7

Timer shows 1 day, 3 hours, 52 minutes, 37 seconds. Server shows 11:57 (my time zone).

I don't think it's calculating correctly. the minutes should be 3, not 52. the timer is for 1300 GMT which would make it 0600 my time, tomorrow morning. That's 18 hours from now, not 27 hours like the timer display suggests.

[DaveShack]

Hmm, no tally by the host. That's disconcerting but could indicate funny business with voting strength, hidden votes, votes that don't count.

[Visor]

Round Over.

[Visor]

Salmonsoil was exploded into tiny pieces.

The Aura didn't resurrect for some reason.

Summary of events:

SalmonSoil has been killed.
He was a member of the TOWN


Begin Day 4.

Alive: 6/10
5. LazyMcCrow
6. Ishmael
7. BSmith
8. Arjos
9. Robbiecon
10. DaveShack

Dead 4/10:
3. Nightbringer, committed suicide N1.
1. Montmorency, lynched D2.
2. atheotes, suicided D2.
4. SalmonSoil, killed N3.


Time:

[Montmorency]

Hands off to the blocker.

[LazyMcCrow]

Hands off to the blocker.

Entirely possible that the resurrecter was just killed though.

vote: Ishmael

[Montmorency]

Hmmm - this Communist fellow doesn't sound like the Townie type.

:stare:

[BSmith]

vote: arjos Same reason as yesterday.

Something I find interesting about the list of players - 1-4 are dead, everyone else lives. May be a coincidence but I find it strange.

[Montmorency]

I'm responsible for 2 & 3. Atheotes is responsible for 1.

It's a coincidence. Vote Crow!

[Arjos]

What’s so scummy about voting to save myself?

As you made quite clear, all your scenarios had another lynch (most of all Monty was clearing a victim and didn't lie about his role), while you could have simply abstained and still save yourself: to me that's not survival alone, that's getting rid of as many people as possible too...

Now you are making this weak distraction about the players' numbers...

Vote: BSmith

[Ishmael]

vote: Lazy McCrow

No change in my reasoning since yesterday, although there's the added mystery as to how you managed to survive with a lead in the lynch tally. It seems to fit with the Communist gaining power through no lynches.

[BSmith]

unvote; vote: robbiecon. Has he contributed at all in this game?

[BSmith]

On second thought, I think I saw somewhere that robbie was in finals the past week, so that could explain his absence. I’ll throw my hat in for the Lazy lynch.

unvote; vote: Lazy

[LazyMcCrow]

On second thought, I think I saw somewhere that robbie was in finals the past week, so that could explain his absence. I’ll throw my hat in for the Lazy lynch.

unvote; vote: Lazy

Because I'm the only one who's more likely to get lynched than you? Seems all your 'theories' are cast to the wind now that there is a 'safer' option for you to stay alive.
For self-preservation:
unvote: Ishmael, vote: BSmith

[DaveShack]

Unvote; Vote: BSmith

[BSmith]

Because I'm the only one who's more likely to get lynched than you? Seems all your 'theories' are cast to the wind now that there is a 'safer' option for you to stay alive.
For self-preservation:
unvote: Ishmael, vote: BSmith

There is a reason for all my “theories”. Ultimately it came down to a decision between you and Ishmael. For better or worse, I picked you.


Unvote; Vote: BSmith

Two things – no need to unvote when you haven’t voted yet. :wink: Also – care to give a reason for your vote?

[LazyMcCrow]

Ultimately it came down to a decision between you and Ishmael. For better or worse, I picked you.


So - today's voting menu for you is: First you vote Arjos, then vote robbiecon, then decide that its a decision between me and Ishmael??!! - please excuse my extraneous exclamation marks but that just clashes with the notion of having any kind of theory. I mean - I don't trust Ishmael this game either, but after your last post, I'm happy to keep my self-preservation vote on you, if it keeps me alive another day and maybe I can actually do some good tonight. The targets of my night powers have been poor choices so far.

[BSmith]

Remove the names, look at the mechanic and you are closer to understanding my position. My goal is to lynch a scum while doing certain things. Convince me you are not scum and I’ll change my vote.

[LazyMcCrow]

Remove the names, look at the mechanic and you are closer to understanding my position. My goal is to lynch a scum while doing certain things. Convince me you are not scum and I’ll change my vote.

Well - my goal is a town victory. Using my power to get a mafia deaded adds golden sprinkles on that. My vote is on you - not because I think you are the best candidate for scum, but that a vote on you is my best chance of self-preservation atm. I'm happy to change to Ishmael if you are as I think he's emminently scummier than you.

unvote: BSmith vote: Ishmael.

Jump on or I'll jump back

[BSmith]

unvote; vote: Ishmael. Let's see where this goes.

[LazyMcCrow]

unvote; vote: Ishmael. Let's see where this goes.
Whatever charges your batteries homes. :2thumbsup::

[DaveShack]

Two things – no need to unvote when you haven’t voted yet. :wink: Also – care to give a reason for your vote?
Couldn't remember if I had voted, and didn't feel like looking. As for why, I knew why when I voted, but nyquil has intervened and I can't remember now.

I can go along with Ishmael though. Vote analysis showed something was up with him. Unvote: Vote Ishmael

[Arjos]

Very weird Lazy and BSmith teaming up...
But the worst was Dave, he jumped twice and seems like he didn't even bother to check or anything...

Unvote; Vote: DaveShack

[Montmorency]

Rrggghh

[robbiecon]

Vote: DaveShack, it looks a lot like Lazy McCrow and DaveShack are the mafia, with that voting pattern today, and with so few people left, it's all about getting a lynch and a kill tonight, which is why either BSmith or Ishmael will do for the lynch (assuming they are both town).

[BSmith]

Couldn't remember if I had voted, and didn't feel like looking. As for why, I knew why when I voted, but nyquil has intervened and I can't remember now.

I can go along with Ishmael though. Vote analysis showed something was up with him. Unvote: Vote Ishmael

This post is so scummy I am almost convinced of your innocence. No self-respecting scum would make a post like this… or would they?

[robbiecon]

This post is so scummy I am almost convinced of your innocence. No self-respecting scum would make a post like this… or would they?

Having played with DaveShack for quite a while now, I have to say that it is most uncharacteristic of him.

[DaveShack]

I'm so freakin' clueless this game it's not even funny. To be honest, I'm not getting a good read on anyone.

My defense is that scum killed me in the first place, and the communist resurrected me. Ergo I'm not scum.

[DaveShack]

And the nyquil comment was serious. I've gone through a box of kleenex in the last 24 hours. :blank2:

[Montmorency]

How do you know it was scum? Surely there are townies or neutrals in this game with a kill or two.

Vote Crow and all will be forgiven.

[BSmith]

Having played with DaveShack for quite a while now, I have to say that it is most uncharacteristic of him.

Which is why I don't think he is scum. His post is way to obvious, especially for him.

[Ishmael]

Hmm, interesting developments overnight.

unvote, vote: Daveshack.

Sorry, but the Lazy/BSmith teaming forced me into it.

[Visor]

Ishmael was hung from the gallows for crimes against mafia players, and as he choked to death, his murdering tools fell out of his clothes.

The town gasped in shock at this mild mannered man who had massacred people.

Ishmael has been lynched.
He was a member of the MAFIA

Alive: 5/10
5. LazyMcCrow
7. BSmith
8. Arjos
9. Robbiecon
10. DaveShack

Dead 5/10:
3. Nightbringer (Lover), committed suicide N1.
1. Montmorency (Town), lynched D2.
2. atheotes (Town), suicided D2.
4. SalmonSoil (Town), killed N3.
6. Ishmael (Mafia), lynched D4.


Time:

[BSmith]

Arjos: You're next, then Robbie if we need to. :yes:

[Ishmael]

Mild-mannered? Me?

At least I lasted a bit longer as mafia this game :beam:.

[BSmith]

Kinda hard not to. :laugh4:

[LazyMcCrow]

What do you say to that Monty? Seriously. You've been trying to lynch me ever since you got it wrong with Atheotes the first time.

[Montmorency]

You could easily be an unassociated scum. But, as the No Lynch is a thing of the past, I'm willing to consider alternatives.

[LazyMcCrow]

BSmith - why Arjos before Robbiecon?

[BSmith]

Let’s take a look at our two subjects:


Vote: atheotes

His case does make sense, when looking at the voting in D1, but what exactly is Dave now? Both converted by Monty and then by the commie?

24h is fine by me...

Late to the wagon with atheotes. His first meaningful post all game.


I think that the suicide, invalidated the votes, so the runner-up got lynched...
This is in reference to the Monty lynch. Helpful, yet safe post.


Vote: BSmith

He could have simply voted for "No Lynch" last phase, not to mention he was liable for a tie and voted to save himself...

An OK argument. But if he is scum and knows I am innocent then it is a great argument to try to get me lynched. You look for opportunities like this to come across as helpful townie and try to direct the lynch. I posted a defense to my actions in thread, but arjos doesn’t react until the next Day, after I vote for him again:


As you made quite clear, all your scenarios had another lynch (most of all Monty was clearing a victim and didn't lie about his role), while you could have simply abstained and still save yourself: to me that's not survival alone, that's getting rid of as many people as possible too...

Now you are making this weak distraction about the players' numbers...

Vote: BSmith

Not lynching anyone on the face of it sounds like a good idea for the town to do. Less townies dead is the overall goal, and lynchees are usually townie. This is a counterproductive strategy though as it allows the scum to survive as well and do bad things to the town at night. Lynching is a town’s main, and usually only, weapon. To not use it is a big detriment to the town effort. This is especially true in a cult game, and cult undertones are present in this game.

Arjos continues to push my lynch based on this false reasoning, until I let on more about my role and Lazy and I “team up” on the Ishmael lynch. It is no longer likely that Lazy or I will be lynched this day, so to try to save his partner, Arjos jumps on a really off statement by DaveShack in hopes of starting a counter wagon.

Cue Robbiecon who (with his second post of the game I believe) lends his support to the DaveShack lynch after DaveShack also votes for Ishmael:


Vote: DaveShack, it looks a lot like Lazy McCrow and DaveShack are the mafia, with that voting pattern today, and with so few people left, it's all about getting a lynch and a kill tonight, which is why either BSmith or Ishmael will do for the lynch (assuming they are both town).

Now Robbie could be strategically choosing his time to get back in the game to save Ishmael as well. This is a distinct possibility. It is also possible that both Arjos and Robbie are Ishmael's team members, and both are scum. Ishmael dutifully changes his vote to DaveShack as well in an attempt to save himself. On the face of it the vote is now a 3-3 tie, and it quite possibly has worked.

Neither Arjos nor Robbie pull back from the DaveShack vote after I point out the obvious flaw in their reasoning: DaveShack is too good and careful of a player to make such a blatantly scummy statement like he did if he were indeed scum.

Bottom line – I think Arjos and Robbie are quite scummy here. Arjos consistently making “good” arguments to try to get an innocent lynched, yet still staying in the background and not really being talkative or upfront in any other way. Robbie for his lurktastic performance and his swoop at the end to try to save one of his buddies. I’m fine with either one of them for the lynch, but have a better feel for Arjos, which is why I put him first.

Arjos – feel free to post more about yourself to help with this decision. Robbie you too.

[LazyMcCrow]

Let’s take a look at our two subjects:



Late to the wagon with atheotes. His first meaningful post all game.


This is in reference to the Monty lynch. Helpful, yet safe post.



An OK argument. But if he is scum and knows I am innocent then it is a great argument to try to get me lynched. You look for opportunities like this to come across as helpful townie and try to direct the lynch. I posted a defense to my actions in thread, but arjos doesn’t react until the next Day, after I vote for him again:



Not lynching anyone on the face of it sounds like a good idea for the town to do. Less townies dead is the overall goal, and lynchees are usually townie. This is a counterproductive strategy though as it allows the scum to survive as well and do bad things to the town at night. Lynching is a town’s main, and usually only, weapon. To not use it is a big detriment to the town effort. This is especially true in a cult game, and cult undertones are present in this game.

Arjos continues to push my lynch based on this false reasoning, until I let on more about my role and Lazy and I “team up” on the Ishmael lynch. It is no longer likely that Lazy or I will be lynched this day, so to try to save his partner, Arjos jumps on a really off statement by DaveShack in hopes of starting a counter wagon.

Cue Robbiecon who (with his second post of the game I believe) lends his support to the DaveShack lynch after DaveShack also votes for Ishmael:



Now Robbie could be strategically choosing his time to get back in the game to save Ishmael as well. This is a distinct possibility. It is also possible that both Arjos and Robbie are Ishmael's team members, and both are scum. Ishmael dutifully changes his vote to DaveShack as well in an attempt to save himself. On the face of it the vote is now a 3-3 tie, and it quite possibly has worked.

Neither Arjos nor Robbie pull back from the DaveShack vote after I point out the obvious flaw in their reasoning: DaveShack is too good and careful of a player to make such a blatantly scummy statement like he did if he were indeed scum.

Bottom line – I think Arjos and Robbie are quite scummy here. Arjos consistently making “good” arguments to try to get an innocent lynched, yet still staying in the background and not really being talkative or upfront in any other way. Robbie for his lurktastic performance and his swoop at the end to try to save one of his buddies. I’m fine with either one of them for the lynch, but have a better feel for Arjos, which is why I put him first.

Arjos – feel free to post more about yourself to help with this decision. Robbie you too.

Good. I share your instincts about Dave and also your reasoning behind Robbiecons' vote as a last ditch vote to save Ishmael. For that reason I figure Robbiecon is most suspect.

[BSmith]

What about Arjos - what do you think of him?

[Arjos]

I didn't vote Ishmael, because his case, was a mutual OMGUS between him and Lazy...
Tbh I saw it as townies having a go at eachother...

Dave has been acting funny since he got revived, 'til last phase I thought he was converted and somehow controlled: his votes had such a "made up" feeling...

[BSmith]

Let's talk about you, shall we? Anything you would like to say in your defense? Tell me why we shouldn't lynch you tomorrow.

[Arjos]

You already twisted all my reasonable votes...
I followed my logic and once trusted Monty, because he made plausible claims and didn't see any reason not to give him credit...

I just happened to be on the wrong side of a good lynch, which if you ask me had a flimsy case...

[robbiecon]

To be honest, I had been considering taking my vote off DaveShack. I had been thinking about the fact that he had been revived this game, and I don't know whether or not revived people tend to be the same role, or different, but I still felt like something was odd about it. I voted him because I thought that himself and Lazy McCrow were in cahoots, but I see now that I was wrong.

I had thought that Ishmael voting for Lazy again was a fair enough vote, and I had looked through his posts and didn't originally see anything odd. But now I see that his first vote for Lazy McCrow seemed to be a nice subtle bandwagon. After all any lynch will do.

It also appears as though my vote does NOT count in a regular lynch, only for No Lynch, unless there's a tiebreaker out there.

It's evident that BSmith and Lazy McCrow are not in cahoots, and I'm pretty sure I know why DaveShack's votes were placed as they turned out.

Which only leaves me and Arjos for you to choose. And it ain't me you're lookin' for babe.

[Visor]

Round over, calculating.

BSmith had a headache that was solved when a sledgehammer was driven through his face.

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Summary of events:

BSmith has been killed.
He was a member of the TOWN

Alive: 4/10
5. LazyMcCrow
8. Arjos
9. Robbiecon
10. DaveShack

Dead 6/10:
3. Nightbringer (Lover), committed suicide N1.
1. Montmorency (Town), lynched D2.
2. atheotes (Town), suicided D2.
4. SalmonSoil (Town), killed N3.
6. Ishmael (Mafia), lynched D4.
7. BSmith (Town), killed N4.


Time:

Tally:
1 Arjos (Robbiecon)

[Arjos]

Great, now I'm getting framed :S

Vote: robbiecon

And very sleazy power there...

[Visor]

Round ends in 24.5 hours from this post btw.

[DaveShack]

Ishmael's partner can't be Lazy McCrow, not after voting for him so many times.

Arjos or robbiecon? I think Arjos, but would like to hear final arguments.

[Montmorency]

This is the final lynch. Choose wisely...

[LazyMcCrow]

I know its not robbiecon. So did a mafia get reesussed on the first night!? - or is Arjos our man? I'll go with BSmiths instincts unless anyone can persuade me otherwise.
vote: Arjos

[LazyMcCrow]

This is the final lynch. Choose wisely...

Not necessarily :bow:

[Ishmael]

Not necessarily :bow:

Ha! Just because I was mafia, doesn't mean I wasn't correct, you dirty socialist fascist freedom-hating hippy necromancer :beam:.

[LazyMcCrow]

Ha! Just because I was mafia, doesn't mean I wasn't correct, you dirty socialist fascist freedom-hating hippy necromancer :beam:.
Just because you were mafia doesn't mean you weren't correct.... that's true.

....but you weren't.

[Ishmael]

I don't see why you're bothering to back-pedal after you all but admitted to being the Communist in your previous post - it seems pretty evident the town is happy to win with you (if that's possible, of course).

[LazyMcCrow]

I don't see why you're bothering to back-pedal after you all but admitted to being the Communist in your previous post - it seems pretty evident the town is happy to win with you (if that's possible, of course).

Nonsense scum. I admitted to nothing of the sort. I am POWER-Town. And you are dead.

[BSmith]

Somehow I knew this was going to happen to me. :skull:

I still stand by Arjos for the lynch, though I'd be interested in knowing why Lazy doesn't think Robbie is scum.

[LazyMcCrow]

I'd like to answer that but with a scum still alive it wouldn't be prudent to spell it out. There IS a possibility that I am mistaken due to other unknown powers being used last night. But I am reasonably certain.

[BSmith]

I figured I probably wouldn't get the answer until the game was over. :bow:

[DaveShack]

Vote: Arjos

[Visor]

Round Over. Tallying and calculating.

Arjos has been chosen to be lynched. He was sliced and diced...
But he didn't die!

Begin Night Five. Orders in Please.

Alive: 4/10
5. LazyMcCrow
8. Arjos
9. Robbiecon
10. DaveShack

Dead 6/10:
3. Nightbringer (Lover), committed suicide N1.
1. Montmorency (Town), lynched D2.
2. atheotes (Town), suicided D2.
4. SalmonSoil (Town), killed N3.
6. Ishmael (Mafia), lynched D4.
7. BSmith (Town), killed N4.


Time:

[Arjos]

That hurt! XD

If we don't get the mafia soon, I'll die for real though :S

[Visor]

Lazy walked slowly up the hill to the cemetery where his friends were buried. Montmorency, Atheotes, SalmonSoil, BSmith. Four graves were placed in the dirt, freshly tilled. Lazy knelt down at the newest addition, BSmith’s grave. He exhaled slowly as the rain began to pour down, he wished he had bought a jumper, or an umbrella. “I will finish what we started. I will end this menace. Tonight Arjos will face his demons and he will not survive.”

Lazy heard a click behind him. His head dropped, and he spoke, “So it is time then.”
He heard laughter emanating and he turned to face it. Arjos was standing 10 metres away from him, shotgun in hand. “Game over Crow. Start digging.” He pointed the gun at the shovel and motioned for Lazy to pick it up. Lazy shook his head, “Not happening. I’m not going anywhere.” Arjos laughed softly and fired, the blast lighting up the ground around Lazy. “I won’t say it again, dig!” he said, louder this time.

Lazy stood his ground, and Arjos fired again, this time into Lazy’s stomach. Lazy screamed as the bullets ripped his flesh. He fell to his knees, blood seeping everywhere. Arjos walked up to his face. “Goodnight, sweet dreams!” and fired the shotgun, but the shotgun clicked. The smile turned into a frown as he pressed it again with no result. Lazy began to laugh. “What do you have to laugh about?”

“This.”

Lazy’s eyes turned white and he began to shake as Arjos stepped back. He felt the gun moving in his hands, slowly turning around to face him. Arjos tried to fight it, but it was impossible. He tried to throw it away, but he couldn’t. The gun turned around until he was holding the shotgun up to his face. It fired. Pieces of Arjos were scattered everywhere. Lazy fell to the ground, dead.

The next morning, DaveShack and Robbiecon gathered in the center of the town. No-one else was around.

“Looks like it’s just you and me.” Robbiecon said, smiling.

“DaveShack looked nervously at Robbiecon, “I don’t want any trouble, I just want to get out of here.”

“Why don’t you join me?

“Join you?”

“I am the one responsible for the resurrections. I am the Communist. Come with me and we can liberate others.”

“I… I think I just want to get out of here. Where are you headed?”

“Who knows?” He smiled. “Wherever the road takes me.”

DaveShack thought for a while. He looked around at the abandoned town. Then he nodded.

Alive: 2/10
9. Robbiecon
10. DaveShack

Dead 8/10:
3. Nightbringer (Lover), committed suicide N1.
1. Montmorency (Town), lynched D2.
2. atheotes (Town), suicided D2.
4. SalmonSoil (Town), killed N3.
6. Ishmael (Mafia), lynched D4.
7. BSmith (Town), killed N4.
5. LazyMcCrow (Town), killed N5.
8. Arjos (Mafia), killed by karmic retribution N5.


COMMUNIST VICTORY
(Robbiecon)
NEUTRAL VICTORY
(DaveShack)

Congratulations Robbiecon and DaveShack.

Role PM's and victory to be announced shortly.

[Arjos]

Ahahahahah GG ^^
There were so many powers XD

Really enjoyed the game, thanks for hosting Visor!

[Visor]

http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/5Yms3Q8dF4e

Mafia QT. They did a good job with a hard situation.

I didn't save my PM's, so it would be good if you could post them.

Anyway, commentary would be good.

Monty was Cupid (Lazy's Role), and could choose two people to be lovers. (He chose Dave and Nightbringer)
Dave had a one shot ability to force someone to vote for a person of his choosing (A minor twist on Robbie's role). He used it to make Robbie vote Arjos.
When Dave was resurrected, he came back as a neutral survivor, with a personal goal that was something along the lines of use the vote to lynch the guy who killed you. Well, he used it to lynch a faction member, and that's good enough, IMO.
Ishmael was a Bus Driver (BSmith's role), he switched Nightbringer with Arjos when the Aura appeared the second time to give Arjos an extra life.
Monty sent me an extremely detailed role, in which that I decided to choose the resurrection on a lynch part, and made that his role. That was Robbies.
Robbie actually mentioned that his vote counted twice for no lynch and that he voted no lynch on the third day should have been indication enough that he was the Communist. I should've given him one shot bulletproof as opposed to full bulletproof.
Nightbringer was a one shot vig (DaveShack's role) that assumed the role of the target he killed. I was interested to see where this lead, but unfortunately never got the chance.
Arjos had The Nightbringer (Nightbringer's role) that allowed him to make one action unroleblockable, bypass protects/busdrives, etc. Unfortunately, it can't penetrate resurections, and it wouldn't kill Robbie. (That was bad balancing on my part).
LazyMcCrow had Deva (Atheotes's role) which allowed him to choose a player, and any night actions they take were duplicated against themselves. That's why Arjos died.
Atheotes was a Time Bandit (SalmonSoil's role, well similar) in that he could write a list of actions to undertake every night and then when he posted DayKill: Self, he died, and roleblocked the people he had selected. Which may have brought someone to life.
When Atheotes used that power, it didn't invalidate the votes on him. BSmith's power put Monty up to a tie, and then Monty lost the coin flip.
BSmith had the ability of a double voter (Ishmael's role) but he had to unvote and revote at least twice and not onto the same person on even days, and at least once on odd days. He made the Ishamel lynch pretty much.
SalmonSoil was a tiebreaker (Arjos's role), he could choose which person to lynch, or let me decide. No lynch kept him safe, townie killed him instead, mafia third party killed them. He could also choose to let me decide.

[Visor]

Ahahahahah GG ^^
There were so many powers XD

Really enjoyed the game, thanks for hosting Visor!

D5 had one townie, one neutral, one mafia and one third party. :laugh4:

I enjoyed hosting it, and espeically enjoyed seeing people discuss the game.

[Arjos]

BTW typical that the sick maniac who invented robbie's role was Monty :P

*Shakes fist in the air* Damn you! :D

[SalmonSoil]

I used my power to choose no lynches wherever I could, mostly because I was never convinced of the victims guilt and I thought it would buy us more time. Not certain this was the best strategy.

[Montmorency]

Boy.

Here's the thing about Mini-games: I always fail hard
Arjos is probably scum

[LazyMcCrow]

gg all. I used my powers of karma against Arjos the night noone died! - that threw me off his scent. SOrry BSmith - If I'd used my karmic powers against Arjos again instead of Robbiecon, you'd still be alive, Arjos would have been killed and we'd be celebrating a town victory...maybe :)
gg all - I enjoyed this one.

[Ishmael]

Well played all, it was a very enjoyable game! The powers kept things nice and interesting.

EDIT: By the way, the night nobody died was when we targeted robbiecon. It wasn't a fiendish plan on our part.

[robbiecon]

Yeah, I guessed that the night no-one died was because I had been targeted. I kept a bit too much out of the limelight here, partially because of exams, partially because I was kind of afraid of being lynched. I could have posted on the last day, but I wasn't sure why my vote had gone on Arjos automatically. I hadn't forgotten what my suggested role had been, of the Briber, but I was sure that it had been used on DaveShack or BSmith by LazyMcCrow, when both of their votes followed Lazy's twice in a row on Day 4.

Pretty neat idea for a game, having the roles submitted by the players and randomizing them. Would definitely be up for something similar again in future.

[BSmith]

This was a great game. I loved the aspect of the player generated roles. As you can now see, I had to vote for a lot of people for my ability to work. Something quite unnatural for me. :yes:

[Nightbringer]

Hey, you left out some of my role's abilities!

For posterity, here is what I sent for the role. If others want to post theirs as well I would enjoy seeing more detailed descriptions. In any case, this was a great idea for a game, and I wish I could have been around for more of it.

The Nightbringer
The Nightbringer brings a shroud of the truest blackest night around those he aids, ensuring that no others interfere with their nighttime activities.
At night, this role chooses one player.
Any night action that player takes automatically succeeds.
This means that busing, role-blocking, etc... does NOT function on the player chosen. It also means that they are able to penetrate protections etc... on any player they target.

Additionally, because the Nightbringer is so good at making it nighttime, he may choose to end a single day early. This action must be pmed to the GM at the time he chooses to do so. Any votes cast after that pm is sent are nullified, and whoever the leading candidate was at the time of the pm is lynched.