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Good boy!
No go see if you can fetch that statement the police made in reaction to that newsreport.
Now compare that reaction to my post above.
Reactions, wasn't that after the bad news, cálled damage control
HoreTore
05-25-2012, 23:58
Reactions, wasn't that after the bad news, cálled damage control
It was a reaction from the chief of police, as what she told at the press conference in no way supported a story like the one above. In that second statement, she explained that they had assault rapes with norwegian suspects, and that the foreign people she talked abiut numbered a grand total of five. Her statement has already been posted in this thread, look it up.
It wasn't a reaction from anyone else, and it didn't cause much of a stir among the government, so your paranoia is completely unfounded.
HoreTore
05-26-2012, 00:06
A commentary (http://ipad.dagbladet.no/2012/05/18/kultur/debatt/voldtekt/politi/rasisme/21649931/) from the police about that press conference and what the police means. Google translate it. I have a hunch noone from the racist blogosphere have bothered translating it to english, like they did with NRK's report.
...and that kinda blows another hole in your "lefties control the world"-myth, doesn't it? The leftist, state-owned propaganda machine NRK made a news report in which they portrayed immigrants in a bad light, when there was nothing to substantiate their claims...
Haven't read it but I avoid so-called quality media, official statement is fine
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
05-26-2012, 10:18
Former MP from a neighbouring constituency, actually. I never read anything or anybody else corroborating the statement, so who's the muslim activist?
I've posted the ink at least twice in this thread already. The Telegraph interviewed him - I have also quoted him.
HoreTore
05-26-2012, 17:01
Haven't read it but I avoid so-called quality media, official statement is fine
A commentary in a national newspaper from two senior members of the police, signed with their police titles, is as official as it gets.
A commentary in a national newspaper from two senior members of the police, signed with their police titles, is as official as it gets.
Sorry but I can't take it seriously, political correctness happens to work in a certain way. The biggest favour we could do to the muslim community is being as blunt as we can possibly get, islam needs to be rediculed not respected, the ordinary muslim who only cares about what's for dinner will secretly thank you for it.
People should talk more with muslims instead of talking about them, there is such a difference between what multiculti's crave and what your ordinary Achmed is satisfied with
HoreTore
05-26-2012, 20:45
Sorry but I can't take it seriously, political correctness happens to work in a certain way. The biggest favour we could do to the muslim community is being as blunt as we can possibly get, islam needs to be rediculed not respected, the ordinary muslim who only cares about what's for dinner will secretly thank you for it.
People should talk more with muslims instead of talking about them, there is such a difference between what multiculti's crave and what your ordinary Achmed is satisfied with
See there children, that's a classic example of a paranoid conspiracy! Watch and learn!
"I don't trust the media or officials... Except, of course, when they report something that fits with the way I see the world. Then I trust it completely." Brilliant, just brilliant.
See there children, that's a classic example of a paranoid conspiracy! Watch and learn!
"I don't trust the media or officials... Except, of course, when they report something that fits with the way I see the world. Then I trust it completely." Brilliant, just brilliant.
I wouldn't know as I do not read them, your logic is a personal thing
HoreTore
05-26-2012, 21:17
I wouldn't know as I do not read them, your logic is a personal thing
Yes, theblogosphere is an excellent source for information.
/sarcasm
Yes, theblogosphere is an excellent source for information.
/sarcasm
Well yes, infinitably better
HoreTore
05-26-2012, 21:32
Well yes, infinitably better
Considering they were the ones who told you that 100% of all rapes in Oslo were committed by muslims, I think you should reconsider that statement.
HoreTore
05-26-2012, 21:36
And I never thought I'd say this, but:
By comparison, Glenn Beck looks well-researched.
Considering they were the ones who told you that 100% of all rapes in Oslo were committed by muslims, I think you should reconsider that statement.
Reported rapes don't cheat, and yeah all by no-western immigrants but tney probably don't mean the Chinese. Because you call them Chinese
HoreTore
05-26-2012, 22:11
Reported rapes don't cheat, and yeah all by no-western immigrants but tney probably don't mean the Chinese. Because you call them Chinese
If you were able to read statistics, you'd notice the assault rapes with norwegian suspects. You would also know that we have substantial amounts of immigrants from eastern europe and christian africa. You'd also know that only about 15% of those coming from areas where islam is dominant view themselves as religious(about the same as the percentage for norwegian "christians").
[QUOTE=HoreTore;2053452784]If you were able to read statistics, you'd notice the assault rapes with norwegian suspects. You would also know that we have substantial amounts of immigrants from eastern europe and christian africa. You'd also know that only about 15% of those coming from areas where islam is dominant view themselves as religious(about the same as the percentage for norwegian "christians").[/QUOT
Tell your police
HoreTore
05-26-2012, 22:23
I had a another look at the video you posted earlier, frags. I am not surprised to find a mistranslation there, and I do not believe it to be a mistake either. At 1:05, the subtitle reads:
"revealing how in the past year, all sexual assault involving rape has been committed by men of non-western background"
The narrator, however, says this:
"som viser at alle overfallsvoldtekter med kjent gjerningsmann i fjor ble begått av menn med ikke-vestlig bakgrunn."
Which translates to this:
"which shows that all assault rapes with a known suspect last year was committed by men of non-western background."
How is a suspect known? In cases like assault rapes, only when they have been sentenced in court. So, she's talking about those 5 people I talked about earlier.They were all of non-western background; the two minors, the two psychiatric patients and that fifth guy.
ALL HAIL THE UNBIASED BLOGOSPHERE!!!!
HoreTore
05-26-2012, 22:25
Tell your police
The police, as I have explained earlier, does not make statistics of religious affiliation.
InsaneApache
05-26-2012, 23:33
Welcome to the Frags and Horetore Show folks.
IM please.
HoreTore
05-27-2012, 00:04
Welcome to the Frags and Horetore Show folks.
IM please.
Bah, this derailing is actually on topic.
Actually, it goes further; the debate could just as easily have been about the OP, as many of the same factors are at work there.
Again, a reported rape is not the same thing as a sentenced rape. The number of people who got sentenced is probably so low because it's Norway.
It is not 'known' by the way they are pretty clear about 'where the subject was identified'
Ad in all cases it was a non-western immigrant. All.
HoreTore
05-27-2012, 00:46
Again, a reported rape is not the same thing as a sentenced rape. The number of people who got sentenced is probably so low because it's Norway.
It is not 'known' by the way they are pretty clear about 'where the subject was identified'
Ad in all cases it was a non-western immigrant. All.
Yes, all five were immigrants, noone is disbuting that. They did not make the comment about the reported rapes, they did it with the cases where there was a known perpetrator(kjent gjerningsmann). The only way that terminology can be used in cases like these, is when the suspect is sentenced and the case is closed.
Until then, you have a "suspect". If the suspect is identified in a murder or assault rape case, it goes to trial straight away. Only in smaller crimes, like theft, are known suspects sometimes not charged.
They did, however, make two statements. One of them was about the known suspects, of which there were five. Then they made a second statement about the reported rapes, and said that in those cases there were several suspects who were "likely norwegian"(ie. the victim says it was a norwegian).
Don't count on facts getting through the racist blogosphere though, only hyperbole and loes by omission get throug there.
Also, there may be plenty of other mistranslations in that video. I only glanced at the subs and immediatly found one glaring "mistake".
HoreTore
05-27-2012, 00:51
And just to be clear:
You have changed your initial statement, that 'all rapes were by muslims', to 'all rapes are done by non-western men', right?
Care to tell why you have changed it?
It's an official report by your own police, excuse us for noticing it. Why do you persist on talking about these 5 who got convicted, court is not the police
And just to be clear:
You have changed your initial statement, that 'all rapes were by muslims', to 'all rapes are done by non-western men', right?
Care to tell why you have changed it?
Since things get more technical precision is a good thing, you said it was a lie. Quite a statement. Especially because it's your own police.
HoreTore
05-27-2012, 01:06
It's an official report by your own police, excuse us for noticing it. Why do you persist on talking about these 5 who got convicted, court is not the police
For the very last time:
The report says that the 5 men who were convicted were all non-western.
The report also says that they have descriptions of ethnic norwegians in several other assault rape cases.
Can I possibly make it any more straightforward?
HoreTore
05-27-2012, 01:14
Here's some fun for you:
http://www.aftenposten.no/nyheter/iriks/Pagrepet-etter-overfallsvoldtekt-6668262.html#.T8FzD9RhiK0
Two men suspected of assault rape. One of them was foreign, I'll give you that. But the other one:
"I tillegg har politiet siktet, men ikke pågrepet, en 20 år gammel etnisk norsk mann. Politiet har navn på vedkommende."
Translation:
"In addition, the police has charged, but not arrested, a 20 year old ethnic norwegian man. Thepolice have the name of the man."
Voilá.
Greyblades
05-27-2012, 01:28
As hypocrytical as this may be; could you guys stop trying to get the last word? It's gatting boring.
HoreTore
05-27-2012, 01:31
As hypocrytical as this may be could you guys stop trying to get the last word it's taking forever.
This is a good take on "the last word":
The police report in question. (https://www.politi.no/vedlegg/lokale_vedlegg/oslo/Vedlegg_1309.pdf)
Go nuts with it.
Greyblades
05-27-2012, 01:37
...I cant read that.
HoreTore
05-27-2012, 01:39
...I cant read that.
It's a wonderful opportunity to learn a new language then! ~:)
Greyblades
05-27-2012, 01:49
...ah crud, more homework.
For the very last time:
The report says that the 5 men who were convicted were all non-western.
The report also says that they have descriptions of ethnic norwegians in several other assault rape cases.
Can I possibly make it any more straightforward?
No it doesn't, it says that all reported assault rapes where the rapist could be identified in the last 5 years the rapist was of non western origin. Surily there were also Norwegian suspects.
HoreTore
05-28-2012, 10:02
No it doesn't, it says that all reported assault rapes where the rapist could be identified in the last 5 years the rapist was of non western origin. Surily there were also Norwegian suspects.
Oh for crying out loud...
From the report. Chapter "Gjerningsmann"(perpetrator), page 55:
"Den etniske profilen varierer innenfor de ulike voldtektsprofilene, men for samtlige unntatt overfallsvoldtekt er norske gjerningspersoner den største gruppen. Overfallsvoldtektene omhandler imidlertid kun 6 forhold, hvor samme gjerningsperson sto ansvarlig for to forhold(5 unike personer mistenkt/siktet i 6 anmeldelser). I 4 av de 6 anmeldelsene (3 unike menn) var gjerningspersonen fra midtøsten, i en overfallsvoldtekt var mannen fra afrika, og i en annen fra asia. Påstanden om at utlendinger står bak alle overfallsvoldtekter støttes dermed av disse tallene, skjønt basisen for uttalelsen er liten og utvalget spesielt. To av de 5 ulike identifiserte gjerningsmennene bak ovrfallsvodtekt var svært unge - under 18 år - og to hadde alvorlige psykiatriske diagnoser. Dersom man utvider med også de 16 overfallsvoldtektene der personen ikke er identifisert, men gitt et signalement fra offerets side, oppstår et annet bilde: 8 av gjerningspersonene hadde afrikansk/mørlhudet utseende, 5 var vestlige/lyse/nordiske og 4 hadde asiatisk utseende. Hvor mange gjerningspersoner som står bak disse beskrivelsene på gjerningspersoner er usikkert, siden gjerningspersonene bak overfallsvoldtekt har en tendens til å begå flere overgrep."
Translation:
"The ethnic profile varies in the different profiles of rape, but for all except assault rape, Norwegian offenders is the largest group. Assault rapes, however, deals with only 6 cases, where the same perpetrator was responsible for two cases (5 unique individuals suspected / accused in 6 cases). In 4 of the 6 cases (3 unique men) the perpetrator was from the Middle East, in one assault rape the was man from Africa, and in another from Asia. The claim that foreigners are behind every attack rapes is thus supported by these figures, though the basis for the statement is small and the range is special. Two of the 5 different identified perpetrators of assault rape were very young - under 18 - and two had severe psychiatric diagnoses. If you expand with the 16 assault rapes in which the person is not identified, but given a description from the victim's hand, you get a different picture: 8 of the perpetrators had African /darkskinned appearance, 5 had western/light/Nordic and 4 had Asian appearance. How many perpetrators behind these descriptions of offenders is uncertain, since the perpetrators behind assault rape tend to commit more offenses."
So in conclusion: the 100%-thingy comes from a total of 5 people. Expanded with the 16 cases without a known identity, but with witness reports, and you get 5 western/lightskinned/nordic men.
The racist blogosphere can't read.
And I have no idea where you have the "5 years from". This report only deals with rapes reported to the police from 1.1.2010 to 31.12.2010.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7t5ZffkA0A&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Your 5 or 6 is just who got convicted, called a smokescreen
HoreTore
05-28-2012, 10:44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7t5ZffkA0A&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Your 5 or 6 is just who got convicted, called a smokescreen
I was actually wrong about needing conviction in order to be called "identified". Being caught by the police and have charges pressed against you is enough.
So, from the 22 assault rapes in 2010:
5 people identified, all non-western.
16 additional assault rapes, 5 committed by ethnic norwegians.
Your statement that "all rapes are done by foreigners" is undeniably false. No shock there.
You can keep saying that but your own authorities say something else, and theysay it right there. They say 41 cases where the subject could be identified. And 41 may not look like a lot but it happens in a relatively small area of a not that big city with a rather small non-western community.
HoreTore
05-28-2012, 11:00
As for your video, I found a glaring error even earlier this time. The video says it's from April 10. 2010, while in the real world(which is a different one from the world the racist vlad tepes lives on), it's from 2009 (http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/1.6567955). Obviously, they felt it was more up to date if they bumped it up a year.
The data in the article is from 06-08, and not very up to date.
HoreTore
05-28-2012, 11:05
You can keep saying that but your own authorities say something else, and theysay it right there. They say 41 cases where the subject could be identified. And 41 may not look like a lot but it happens in a relatively small area of a not that big city with a rather small non-western community.
Yes, in the years 2006, 2007 and 2008, there were 41 assault rapes committed according to one statement, and all committed by non-western men. 2009 is too far back in history for me to remember what happened, so I don't have anything to counter that(and by that I mean follow-ups to the story).
In 2010, however, 5 of 22 rapes were committed by ethnic norwegians. Hence your statement is false even without knowing how many rapes occured in 2009 and 2011.
So it is exactly as the report says after all. Can't find any numbers about 2010, report is from 2010 so they obviously can't have them. Doubt they made a new one people could start having doubts about it being an enrichment of Norwegian culture
HoreTore
05-28-2012, 11:25
So it is exactly as the report says after all. Can't find any numbers about 2010, report is from 2010 so they obviously can't have them. Doubt they made a new one people could start having doubts about it being an enrichment of Norwegian culture
Uhm, what?
The fact is that ethnic norwegians have committed assault rapes in Oslo. By the way, funny how you haven't heard about the other assault rapes(outside Oslo)... Perhaps because they're not dominated by immigrants? The report I posted and which is the basis of your first video is from 2011, with data from 2010. You second video(from 2009, not 2010) points at a "something"(ie. not a report) made in 2009, based on data from 7 rapes in 2006, 20 in 2007 and 14 in 2008.
As for when the next report is due, it's likely 2013/14 as they've made one every third/fourth year.
Get thy facts straight. And quit your lying.
Uhm, what?
The fact is that ethnic norwegians have committed assault rapes in Oslo. By the way, funny how you haven't heard about the other assault rapes(outside Oslo)... Perhaps because they're not dominated by immigrants? The report I posted and which is the basis of your first video is from 2011, with data from 2010. You second video(from 2009, not 2010) points at a "something"(ie. not a report) made in 2009, based on data from 7 rapes in 2006, 20 in 2007 and 14 in 2008.
As for when the next report is due, it's likely 2013/14 as they've made one every third/fourth year.
Get thy facts straight. And quit your lying.
I am just echoing what the report says, if the report is wrong I'm not lying just informed wrongly, but since you just admitted that indeed in all 41 cases it was a non-western i migrant I'm not worried. It's relevant because the big cities are the only places where there are a significant (but still small) non-western community. Where there is no enrichment of Norwegian culture it will of course look different. If the next report is due for 2013 than this was the most recent one. We will see what 2013 has to offer. I bet it will once again not look very good, I got family there and they say it's getting increasingly grimm, they are looking into moving to Canada if they can get a good price for their house.
HoreTore
05-28-2012, 12:10
I am just echoing what the report says, if the report is wrong I'm not lying just informed wrongly, but since you just admitted that indeed in all 41 cases it was a non-western i migrant I'm not worried. It's relevant because the big cities are the only places where there are a significant (but still small) non-western community. Where there is no enrichment of Norwegian culture it will of course look different. If the next report is due for 2013 than this was the most recent one. We will see what 2013 has to offer. I bet it will once again not look very good, I got family there and they say it's getting increasingly grimm, they are looking into moving to Canada if they can get a good price for their house.
The report isn't wrong, but you haven't understood what it says. Also, you are confusing two different reports. One actual report(the one I linked to) from 2011, and one article from 2009. The two does not report on the same time period.
As for "small", well, that's highly subjective, isn't it? The immigrant percentage in Oslo is around 20-25%. Some will see it as large, others will see it as small. Oslo, as the major city, has a higher percentage than other cities, but the difference isn't that big in cities like Bergen, Trondheim, Stavanger and my own, Drammen(which according to islamophobes is a ghetto).
Yes, in the years 2006, 2007 and 2008, there were 41 assault rapes committed according to one statement, and all committed by non-western men.
What exactly do I not understand then, that is exactly what I claimed.
About 2010, 5 assault rapes out 22 with a population of non-western immigrants that is about 20% of the population isn't something that I would be very proud about. I am sure you can do the math on how much more likely a non-western immigrant is going to commit this crime. I am also kinda suspicious about the ethnic norwegian thingie, not that I am not going to take your word of it but number-wizards here often count second generation immigrants as native Dutchies to hide the fact that criminality among muslim youths is outragiously high
HoreTore
05-28-2012, 20:15
A second generation pakistani wouldn't have light skin and the appearance of a norwegian. It could of course be a Swede or something. The point is that the identity is unknown, all there is to go after is the witness description. I find it hard to believe that a witness is able to tell a first gen immigrant from a second gen immigrant. Your paranoia strikes again.
As for my point:
You claimed that every single one of the assault rapes in Oslo were committed by muslim immigrants, then you changed it to immigrants. It was mostly given without a time(which must mean that you refer to the current day), sometimes you talked abiut the last 5 years. This is undeniably false, and my point has been to prove just that.
Greyblades
05-28-2012, 20:20
This is so off the point that the point has gotten bored, gone home, hooked up with it's old highschool band, became famous and is currently jacking it on a san diego pavement, totally oblivious that there is someone who used to be on it other than female groupies and expensive whores.
A second generation pakistani wouldn't have light skin and the appearance of a norwegian. It could of course be a Swede or something. The point is that the identity is unknown, all there is to go after is the witness description. I find it hard to believe that a witness is able to tell a first gen immigrant from a second gen immigrant. Your paranoia strikes again.
As for my point:
You claimed that every single one of the assault rapes in Oslo were committed by muslim immigrants, then you changed it to immigrants. It was mostly given without a time(which must mean that you refer to the current day), sometimes you talked abiut the last 5 years. This is undeniably false, and my point has been to prove just that.
No I didn't, I said reported ones
HoreTore
05-28-2012, 20:54
This is so off the point that the point has gotten bored, gone home, hooked up with it's old highschool band, became famous and is currently jacking it on a san diego pavement, totally oblivious that there is someone who used to be on it other than female groupies and expensive whores.
Indeed.
No I didn't, I said reported ones
...and that's still wrong, as there are reported assault rapes(5 in 2010) with ethnic norwegian suspects.
Indeed.
...and that's still wrong, as there are reported assault rapes(5 in 2010) with ethnic norwegian suspects.
Report is from 2010, which means it looks at years prior ffs
HoreTore
05-28-2012, 22:13
Report is from 2010, which means it looks at years prior ffs
Sigh....
The report is from 2011. The data in it is from 2010 alone. It came out just over a year ago, in May 2011.
Your second video is from 2009, even though it says 2010, and has nothing to do with the report.
Furunculus
06-17-2012, 16:06
just to egg-on Frags:
http://www.thelocal.se/28580/20100825/
just to egg-on Frags:
http://www.thelocal.se/28580/20100825/
Pretty shocking but I am not surprised. Good for Sweden that they are fed up with ignoring it though
HoreTore
06-17-2012, 20:28
55 rapists - yes, that is of course reason enough t throw out half a million people and cause our economy to collapse overnight.
On a different note, Frags objected to my use of a book title because he believed the author was a nazi - yet he has no objections to a report produced by a nazi party....
InsaneApache
06-17-2012, 23:03
A rapist is that. Ethnicity shouldn't come into it.
Furunculus
06-17-2012, 23:26
A rapist is that. Ethnicity shouldn't come into it.
Of course not, but the study talks of foreign-born rapists not of their ethnicity, so we might infer they are first or second generation immigrants.
If that is the case, then it seems perfectly legitimate to question a policy of large-scale importation of violent and divisive crime that is not conducive to the welfare and wellbeing of YOUR citizens.
Of course that requires accepting the dictionary definition of discrimination rather than solely its modern nasty equivalent. I am okay with that, but it is a leap too far for some.
Quite simply; can you tolerate the extra rapes and child grooming in the name of niceness?
Kadagar_AV
06-18-2012, 00:35
55 rapists - yes, that is of course reason enough t throw out half a million people and cause our economy to collapse overnight.
On a different note, Frags objected to my use of a book title because he believed the author was a nazi - yet he has no objections to a report produced by a nazi party....
There are LOADS of reasons to kick immigrants out. I for one am not for it though, I am however for severely limiting further intake and use carrots to make those immigrants we don't want return to their birth countries.
55 rapists - yes, that is of course reason enough t throw out half a million people and cause our economy to collapse overnight.
On a different note, Frags objected to my use of a book title because he believed the author was a nazi - yet he has no objections to a report produced by a nazi party....
Hoho, you used the book as an example of a fascist attitude, I pointed out the writer was himself a nazi, no points
HoreTore
06-18-2012, 08:33
Hoho, you used the book as an example of a fascist attitude
No, then you misunderstood.
Anyway frags, you have no problem with neo-nazi's then?
No, then you misunderstood.
Anyway frags, you have no problem with neo-nazi's then?
Why do you ask?
HoreTore
06-18-2012, 08:49
Why do you ask?
General interest.
General interest.
I don't like them no but I have no idea why you ask, something I said?
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