Bloodbath [Concluded]

[Zack]

https://i.imgur.com/xhhbx.png

Play if you dare.



This game will be bloody. The result of each night will be both bloody and bloody unpredictable.

Here are the three teams:


The mafia
The serial killer
The town


Everyone will have a night ability, and everyone is required to use that night ability every single night. Failure to send in orders results in me using random.org to determine who you will target with your ability.

There will be multiple players with one the following abilities:


Bus driver - switches the actions used on two specified players at night
Vigilante - kills the target
Roleblocker - prevents the target from using their ability
Doctor - protects the target from being killed


The last team standing wins.

Good luck surviving!


:evilgrin:


Boring stuff:

1. All phases will be 24 hours long.
2. Tied votes result in a duel to the death.
3. No Lynch and Abstain are NOT allowed.
4. No out of thread communication, unless specifically sanctioned by me.
5. Alignment is revealed after death, but role/ability is not.
6. Deceased players may not reveal any information that is not available in thread, but are allowed to contribute to discussion as much as they like.

All other standard rules apply.




PLAYERS:

[17/17]

1. Csargo
2. Montmorency
3. Visorslash
4. choxorn
5. DaveShack
6. atheotes
7. LazyMcCrow
8. Arjos
9. BSmith
10. edse
11. Jarema
12. topsecret
13. Chaotix
14. johnhughthom
15. thefluffyone93
16. Ishmael
17. classical_hero


RESERVES:

1. classical_hero
2.

[Montmorency]

Isn't there another small game in signups?

And look at the state of the place - you'll need to pull all the stops just to break into double digits.

Of course, I will join. Were would this place be without me, eh?

[Zack]

Isn't there another small game in signups?

Chaotix told me I could open sign-ups, so I did.

(The other small game is about to start, anyways.)

[Csargo]

In.

[Visor]

How many mafia? And any protection for the sk?

In.

[Choxorn]

Hosted by Zack

Well, you had me right there. In.

[DaveShack]

Running both games at once? Or waiting for Stairway to Heaven to finish?

[atheotes]

I Dare :pray:

[LazyMcCrow]

yes please :2thumbsup:

[Arjos]

With Ekklesia on hold, I might aswell join this one too ^^

[BSmith]

I am in of course.

[edse]

In.

[Jarema]

in also

[topsecret]

In
Just joined

[Chaotix]

In
Just joined

Welcome to the Org and the Gameroom, topsecret.

If you've got any questions about the Gameroom, don't hesitate to send me or Askthepizzaguy a PM

---

Zack, count me in.

[BSmith]

Yay! Another CFCer has come over to the dark side!

Or is this the light side? I can never remember. :clown:

[johnhughthom]

:shrug:

[BSmith]

Having just read your posts on CFC about the blue shruggy guy, that was hilarious.

[Zack]

:shrug:

And this guy doesn't look sad?

[johnhughthom]

Seemed the most appropriate method of confirming my in-ness.



And this guy doesn't look sad?

Nope, it's more of a "why should I give a ****?" expression.

[BSmith]

And this guy doesn't look sad?

5902


(love the multi-site; multi-thread conversation BTW :laugh4:)

[johnhughthom]

Burn it!!


Yay! Another CFCer has come over to the dark side!

Or is this the light side? I can never remember. :clown:

I was actually thinking earlier how it used to be orgahs invading CFC and beefing up flagging sign ups, seems to have turned full circle.

[Zack]

A side-by-side comparison is in order.

:shrug: 5902

Clearly the yellow man is better. He has arms and takes less than an eternity to perform his intended function. Yellow man is a good, hard-working man's man; blue man is a bum living off of welfare fraud.

[Jarema]

Nope. Yellow man is trying too hard. It is scummy. Therefore, vote: 5902

[topsecret]

Just 3 more!

[thefluffyone93]

yus pl0x

[classical_hero]

I will be a reserve for this one and play if you don't get enough players by the weekend.

[Ishmael]

Seeing as the Knights of Honor game has been delayed (and I'm dead in my other game), I should be able to make a decent showing at this. In please!

[Visor]

Classical Hero is in. Let's go.

[Zack]

Role PMs will be sent out shortly, and then the game will start.

[Zack]

All Role PMs have been sent.

Read the rules again.

And remember that sending in a night action is mandatory, for everyone.

Also, I won't PM you about your night results, for both dramatic effect and because it's a pain to send 17 night actions when I have to wait 45 seconds between each PM.

It is now Night Zero!

[Ishmael]

8 - 4 + 2 = 6!

vote: atheotes

Also, the obligatory timer check - the timer is reading 1 day 16 minutes at present for me, which is odd as I believe phases are only 24 hours. What's it reading for everybody else?

[johnhughthom]

1. It's night.
2. I imagine Zack is synching the first phase to a time convenient for him to end each phase.
3. Well I don't need a 3, cos 1 and 2 were so great.

[Zack]

1. It's night.
2. I imagine Zack is synching the first phase to a time convenient for him to end each phase.
Correct on both points.

[Ishmael]

1. It's night.
2. I imagine Zack is synching the first phase to a time convenient for him to end each phase.
3. Well I don't need a 3, cos 1 and 2 were so great.

:wall:

Gosh I can be an idiot sometimes.

[johnhughthom]

At least you voted atheotes, that shows some intelligence. :yes:

[atheotes]

At least you voted atheotes, that shows some intelligence. :yes:

:stare:

[Visor]

:stare:

Atheotes is always mafia.

[Jarema]

Yeah, and posting via mobile device is alway scummy. FoS: Visorslash

[Visor]

Yeah, and posting via mobile device is alway scummy. FoS: Visorslash

If you can move it, its a mobile device. Too weak Jarema?

[classical_hero]

We meet again eh vote:jht

[LazyMcCrow]

vote: thefluffyone93
...for the spam that is sure to follow

[Ishmael]

Good, it's not just me. I feel a little better now :beam:.

[thefluffyone93]

vote: thefluffyone93
...for the spam that is sure to follow

I fail to see how that is unusual....

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/tumblr_lnal3khdss1qfl8us.gif

[Zack]

Night over. Update coming.

[Zack]

Four dead bodies were found.

choxorn...

was Innocent!

atheotes...

was Innocent!

Ishmael...

was Mafia!

johnhughthom...

was Innocent!




It is now DAY ONE!


Vote for the lynch in Vote: Zack format. If you wish to change your vote, you must Unvote, Vote: z4ckdabeast.


ALIVE:

[13]

Arjos
Bsmith
Chaotix
classical_hero
Csargo
DaveShack
edse
Jarema
LazyMcCrow
Montmorency
thefluffyone9
topsecret
Visorslash


LYNCHED:

[0]

No one.


KILLED:

[4]

atheotes - Innocent - Killed Night One
choxorn - Innocent - Killed Night One
Ishmael - Mafia - Killed Night One
johnhughthom - Innocent - Killed Night One

[Zack]

3char

[Montmorency]

Vote: Csargo

[Ishmael]

Okay, that's pretty hilarious. At least I've gotten the N0 death as mafia out of my system.

[topsecret]

vote: Montmorency

[thefluffyone93]

Vote: topsecret

Keepin secrets eh?
Not on my watch, no siree!

Finding these Mafia scum will be elementary, my dear townies!

https://i1110.photobucket.com/albums/h454/thefluffyone93/detective_pinkie_pie_by_pdpie-d4vca9c.png

[Choxorn]

My first Night 0 Death! Awesome!

[Csargo]

Vote:Chaotix

How's it going?

[Jarema]

vote: thefluffyone

[Arjos]

Vote: Visorslash

You haven't yet voted for Monty or started to post drunk and I'm getting worried XD

[edse]

Vote: Chaotix no reason behind it.

[Visor]

Vote: Visorslash

You haven't yet voted for Monty or started to post drunk and I'm getting worried XD

Vote: Arjos for assuming I am always drunk.

[LazyMcCrow]

vote: Arjos your vote seems jokey but pointed. Rings ma bells.

[Chaotix]

Vote: Visorslash for claiming you are not always drunk. That is a bold-faced lie if I ever saw one. :clown:

[classical_hero]

vote:Jarema Everyone has a reason except for him. Rather lazy of him.

[topsecret]

I deny that assumption, classical. Me and Montmorency have no reasoning, either. Laziness reigns.

[DaveShack]

Vote: topsecret drawing attention to having no reason makes it seem like there's a reason for not having a reason -> scum perhaps?

[Zack]

TALLY:


DUEL TO THE DEATH!

topsecret: 2 (fluffy, DaveShack)
Chaotix: 2 (Csargo, edse)
Visorslash: 2 (Arjos, Chaotix)
Arjos: 2 (Visorslash, LazyMcCrow)

fluffy: 1 (Jarema)
Jarema: 1 (classical_hero)
Csargo: 1 (Montmorency)
Montmorency: 1 (topsecret)

Not Voting: 1 (BSmith)

[Zack]

The audience gathered round for the duel between topsecret, Chaotix, Visorslash, and Arjos. There would be three winners, and only one loser.

Brutal blows were thrown, snappy one-liners too, and when the dust cleared...


Visorslash was Innocent!




It is now NIGHT ONE!


Send in your night orders.


ALIVE:

[12]

Arjos
Bsmith
Chaotix
classical_hero
Csargo
DaveShack
edse
Jarema
LazyMcCrow
Montmorency
thefluffyone9
topsecret


LYNCHED:

[1]

Visorslash - Innocent - Lynched Day One


KILLED:

[4]

atheotes - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
choxorn - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
Ishmael - Mafia - Killed Night Zero
johnhughthom - Innocent - Killed Night Zero

[topsecret]

Vote: topsecret drawing attention to having no reason makes it seem like there's a reason for not having a reason -> scum perhaps?

It's D1, I'm joking. ~:rolleyes:

[topsecret]

That's my snappy one-liner, too :p

[Zack]

Night extended for 20 hours after this post. Send in your orders.

Activity has been really disappointing so far. :no:

[Arjos]

So you saying we had four kills, with barely anyone playing? XD
Would the game be over in 2 turns otherwise? :P

[Zack]

So you saying we had four kills, with barely anyone playing? XD
Would the game be over in 2 turns otherwise? :P
Night Zero activity was fine. Day 1 was a bunch of "Vote: Player" posts, and Night 1 has not been the bastion of activity Night 0 was.

[LazyMcCrow]

I like your new avatar. Hope that helps.

[Zack]

Update coming.

[Zack]

Only three people died this night.


Csargo was Innocent!

fluffy was Innocent!

topsecret was Innocent!




It is now DAY TWO!


Send in your night orders.


ALIVE:

[9]

Arjos
Bsmith
Chaotix
classical_hero
DaveShack
edse
Jarema
LazyMcCrow
Montmorency


LYNCHED:

[1]

Visorslash - Innocent - Lynched Day One


KILLED:

[7]

atheotes - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
choxorn - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
Ishmael - Mafia - Killed Night Zero
johnhughthom - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
Csargo - Innocent - Killed Night One
thefluffyone9 - Innocent - Killed Night One
topsecret - Innocent - Killed Night One

[Arjos]

Can you disclose if you got all the orders?

[Zack]

Can you disclose if you got all the orders?
Sure.

After the game.

[Arjos]

Bwahahahahhahaha, cheers XD

[DaveShack]

Damn, that's a lot of blood! One kill fewer, which makes sense with one scum eliminated, but still...

And nothing really interesting in the votes, this is going to be extremely tough. Vote: Montmorency seems unusually quiet, with just a no-reason vote. Laying low, scum?

[Zack]

Need to bold your vote, DaveShack.

[Arjos]

Ok, since we had a decrease in the kills, I'm guessing the mafia doesn't get "team kills", but each member one...
So if all attack orders were sent, I can clear Monty and DaveShack...

Vote: Jarema

Maybe trying to get an easy lynch due to spam on D1, but gah I have no clue atm...

[DaveShack]

Oh, well then it's good I forgot to bold, if Monty is clear. I will move on to another quiet player, to see what kind of reaction results.

Vote: BSmith are you killing from the shadows?

[Arjos]

It's not final 100%, we have bus drivers, but with the very few rounds available, I'm more than willing to make that leap :P

[Visor]

Let's kill Bsmith then. Chaotix and edse I would also like to keep an eye on.

[Montmorency]

And nothing really interesting in the votes, this is going to be extremely tough. Vote: Montmorency seems unusually quiet, with just a no-reason vote. Laying low, scum?

Nonsense. There's just nothing to look forward to, here. Comms silence is hurting us.

With 6 townies dead, probably only one Vig left.

Doctors and killers. Blockers and Bus Drivers.

If everyone has an individual role that must be used nightly, Arjos must be right about the Mafia: each a killer, I presume three members less Ishmael. One SK.

One lynch, two lynch, three?

I abstain, and Zack can't do anything about it.

Zack, timer please.

[Arjos]

Monty's idea is better than a shot in the dark...

Unvote

Anyway if it's not clear, I'm a roleblocker and the only thing that can tamper my results is bus driving, but so far fingers crossed I can clear those two players...

[Montmorency]

Monty's idea is better than a shot in the dark...

Wait, wait, wait - what idea?

How are we clearing players?

[Arjos]

Wait, wait, wait - what idea?

To stop lynching innocents, all that does is giving the killers less rounds...


How are we clearing players?

I roleblocked these past two nights, since it seems certain that each bad guy has a kill, if there's no bus driving on my target, that clears my pick...
That's all we have, as you pointed out, few rounds and we are goners...

[Montmorency]

To stop lynching innocents, all that does is giving the killers less rounds...

Anyone can just vote to lynch at the last minute.


I roleblocked these past two nights, since it seems certain that each bad guy has a kill, if there's no bus driving on my target, that clears my pick...

A big assumption. Perhaps you were blocked yourself, eh?

In fact, one of the mafia may well have a non-killing role...

[Arjos]

I said it wasn't much, you have something better?

[Chaotix]

Vote: DaveShack

This post:


Damn, that's a lot of blood! One kill fewer, which makes sense with one scum eliminated, but still...

And nothing really interesting in the votes, this is going to be extremely tough. Vote: Montmorency seems unusually quiet, with just a no-reason vote. Laying low, scum?

Full of words, but not really saying anything.

[Zack]

Monty, the timer has already been posted.

And someone WILL be lynched every Day, even if no one votes.

[Montmorency]

Monty, the timer has already been posted.

Why in such manner? I don't approve.

I welcome others to accuse me for the next fort-watch.

[Arjos]

And someone WILL be lynched every Day, even if no one votes.

Ugh, you're no fun :P

[classical_hero]

Arguing for no lynch is the scum's best move, since it means that less chance of a scum being killed. It is the town's best hope and since you are against and Monty are against the lynch, that is giving the scum more chance of winning. vote:monty

[LazyMcCrow]

Monty and Arjos are actually scum-hunting - whereas Chaotix is doing a poor impression of appearing to: vote: Chaotix. Scum.

[Jarema]

I do not agree. I find Chaotix's post good. So, vote: LazyMcCrow.

[Arjos]

You heard the scumbags, no clear lynch, spreading votes like butter as if D1...
Let's sit down, relax and take it XD

[robbiecon]

Hi Zaccino, would it be possible to get a reservation?

[edse]

vote: Chaotix based on a quick analysis of the votes yesterday.

[classical_hero]

Well if we are going to vote for someone, them better have a clear leader in the vote getting, so it s not all random. unvote; vote:Chaotix

[BSmith]

Oh, well then it's good I forgot to bold, if Monty is clear. I will move on to another quiet player, to see what kind of reaction results.

Vote: BSmith are you killing from the shadows?

No. I too am a role blocker. I blocked Classical last night and topsecret N1. If we assume that each scum has his individual kill, then we can clear classical (assuming no bussing happened, anyway).

vote: chaotix. Seems to be the thing to do.

[DaveShack]

OK, wouldn't make sense to believe Arjos and not you. Unvote

I'm suspicious of the no lynch idea. Even assuming at least one of the kills is a vig or SK, there aren't enough phases to get all the killers before we run out of town, without lynching. I'd like to jump on one of the no-lynchers if we can get enough support for it, even if said target is cleared by a roleblocker.

[DaveShack]

Should have opened the OP in another window. One of the killers is a SK, not a vig.

[Arjos]

OP says there are multiple of each (I think), so Vote: Chaotix

His reasons were cheap...

[Arjos]

So unless there's a liar the mafia and SK suspects are:

- Chaotix
- edse
- Jarema
- LazyMcCrow

BSmith, let's make sure we don't block the same tonight...

[BSmith]

:bow:

[Montmorency]

I'm suspicious of the Chaotix wagon. He will flip SK at best.

No private communication, Arjos and Bsmith.

[Arjos]

No private communication, Arjos and Bsmith.

I meant here during the night phase...

[Zack]

Chaotix: 5 (LazyMcCrow, edse, BSmith, classical_hero, Arjos)

DaveShack: 1 (Chaotix)
LazyMcCrow: 1 (Jarema)

Not Voting: 2 (DaveShack, Montmorency)




Chaotix was lynched.


Chaotix was Innocent!




It is now NIGHT TWO!


Send in your night orders.


ALIVE:

[8]

Arjos
Bsmith
classical_hero
DaveShack
edse
Jarema
LazyMcCrow
Montmorency


LYNCHED:

[2]

Visorslash - Innocent - Lynched Day One
Chaotix - Innocent - Lynched Day Two


KILLED:

[7]

atheotes - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
choxorn - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
Ishmael - Mafia - Killed Night Zero
johnhughthom - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
Csargo - Innocent - Killed Night One
thefluffyone9 - Innocent - Killed Night One
topsecret - Innocent - Killed Night One

[Zack]

Night will end early if I have all orders.

[Arjos]

Hmmmm...

[Arjos]

Well, I picked mine, how shall we organize? One of us says his and the other acts accordingly?

[edse]

Well, I picked mine, how shall we organize? One of us says his and the other acts accordingly?

And the mafia acts accordingly :quiet: Better rely on luck, there is only a 1/8 risk that you pick the same.

[BSmith]

Well, I picked mine, how shall we organize? One of us says his and the other acts accordingly?

Post a list of several names, one of which is your target. I’ll pick someone who is not on your list.

[Arjos]

BSmith
classical_hero
Jarema
LazyMcCrow
Montmorency

BTW if there are doctors around: you know what to do :P

[BSmith]

Orders sent. :bow:

[Zack]

Two bodies were found this night.


classical_hero was Mafia!

Montmorency was Innocent!




It is now DAY THREE!


Send in your night orders.


ALIVE:

[6]

Arjos
Bsmith
DaveShack
edse
Jarema
LazyMcCrow


LYNCHED:

[2]

Visorslash - Innocent - Lynched Day One
Chaotix - Innocent - Lynched Day Two


KILLED:

[9]

atheotes - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
choxorn - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
Ishmael - Mafia - Killed Night Zero
johnhughthom - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
Csargo - Innocent - Killed Night One
thefluffyone9 - Innocent - Killed Night One
topsecret - Innocent - Killed Night One
classical_hero - Mafia - Killed Night Two
Montmorency - Innocent - Killed Night Two

[Zack]

Here you go.

[Arjos]

Good job SK, I know who I blocked and classical was one "cleared" by BSmith...

So unless a busdriver shows up and tells his tale, I'd be inclined to either lynch the one I blocked or BSmith...

[edse]

Jarema is cleared from suspicion to me. One of you blockers on the other hand did not block anyone last night. Vote: BSmith

[Arjos]

Maybe before throwing him under the bus, we could lynch the guy I blocked...
Worst case I can block BSmith tonight...


Jarema is cleared from suspicion to me.

How?

[edse]

How?

I busdrove him and classical, so Jarema was the real target.

[BSmith]

I blocked edse. Not much I can say about the classical deal. I can only assume a busdriver was involved.

[BSmith]

well... something is not adding up here. :laugh4:

[Arjos]

I blocked LazyMcCrow...

If there are busdrivers around, speak up you are not making this any easier...

[BSmith]

edse - who else have you bussed on previous nights?

[edse]

So if BSmith blocked me, then then who killed classical? And was anyone blocked from a kill this night? 3 kills last night, 2 this night with one mafia less.

[edse]

edse - who else have you bussed on previous nights?

You and Arjos the night before and Monty and Visor the night bbefore that

[BSmith]

So if BSmith blocked me, then then who killed classical? And was anyone blocked from a kill this night? 3 kills last night, 2 this night with one mafia less.

Classical’s kill still probably went through, so that leaves known blocked people as you and Lazy. vote: Lazy for now.

It would be really good if the other busdriver could speak up here. Did you bus classical on N2?

[Arjos]

Vote: LazyMcCrow

[Arjos]

edse who did you bus N2 (this very last one)?

[edse]

edse who did you bus N2 (this very last one)?

Jarema and classical but BSmith says he blocked me.

[BSmith]

I'm getting confused with the nights. Did anyone bus classical on N1 (second night)?

[Arjos]

Jarema and classical but BSmith says he blocked me.

So far what makes the most sense, is that you made BSmith kill his partner...
But, let's lynch Lazy, I can block BSmith tonight and see what happens...

[edse]

I'm getting confused with the nights. Did anyone bus classical on N1 (second night)?

Are you trying to get a friend of yours to say that he did that, so that your clearing of classical will sound less suspicious?

[BSmith]

No. I'm trying to get to the bottom of what has happened. The only thing that makes sense to me is that classical was bussed on N1 when I blocked him, resulting in me actually blocking someone else. It would be good if the guy who bussed him step forward and corroborate my claim, if that indeed happened.

I agree that I don't really have much to stand on here, but I will say that lynching me will result in another innocent townie being dead.

The other alternative here is that you, edse, are lying about your bussing claim. That you are trying to get out in front of public opinion with a claim that is really hard to prove. In fact, the only proof we have is your word on this (just like in my case).

[Arjos]

In fact, the only proof we have is your word on this (just like in my case).

That's why all we need to do is lynching Lazy (I blocked him and there was one less kill)...
Then we'll see what to do tonight...

[edse]

No. I'm trying to get to the bottom of what has happened. The only thing that makes sense to me is that classical was bussed on N1 when I blocked him, resulting in me actually blocking someone else. It would be good if the guy who bussed him step forward and corroborate my claim, if that indeed happened.

I agree that I don't really have much to stand on here, but I will say that lynching me will result in another innocent townie being dead.

The other alternative here is that you, edse, are lying about your bussing claim. That you are trying to get out in front of public opinion with a claim that is really hard to prove. In fact, the only proof we have is your word on this (just like in my case).

Isn't classical's death proof enough that I bussed him?

I don't think any kill was blocked last night. Shouldn't classical be killed first when he is bussed according to rules and such?

If not, the orders must have been like this.

classical: kill Montmorency
LacyMcCrow: kill Arjos, BSmith, DaveShack or edse
Unknown mafia: kill Jarema

I find the scenario highly unlikely and believe that BSmith and Jarema are the remaining mafia.

[Montmorency]

One mafioso and one SK left, then.

No point in looking for connections between them.

Just keep in mind that, mislynching today will lead to either an SK or mafia victory, on the following lynch - unless both killers are foiled, or one falls to the other.

As for town, is it true then that there are 2 blockers, and 2 bus drivers? Poor doctors - they did their best.

[BSmith]

I find the scenario highly unlikely and believe that BSmith and Jarema are the remaining mafia.

1. Go ahead and lynch me then. It is clear that I am a distraction to the town. But tomorrow you’ll be one day behind where we could be.
2. I thought you said that Jarema was most likely cleared? Did you mean someone else?

[edse]

2. I thought you said that Jarema was most likely cleared? Did you mean someone else? Yes, it should be DaveShack. He is picked based on exclusion.

[Arjos]

I don't think any kill was blocked last night.

N0: 4 attackers, 4 deaths.
N2: 3 attackers, 2 deaths.

There most certainly was a block...

I cleared him way back, edse you are piling lots of misleading statements this round...
Lazy is the right lynch today...

[edse]

N0: 4 attackers, 4 deaths.
N2: 3 attackers, 2 deaths.

There most certainly was a block...

We have forgot about the serial killer as Monty says. He is still alive. And he could have killed Ishmael the mafia night 0 (It could also have been the Vigilante). A mafia killed by a mafia could still be killed before his kill is performed. It's acctually even more likely as there were at least 6 killing powers night 0.



I cleared him way back, edse you are piling lots of misleading statements this round...
And BSmith cleared classical...

So night 0: 6 killers, 4 deaths. Ishmael couldn't perform his kill and a blocker blocked the mafia/SK/vig. Who did you block night 1 Arjos?

Everyone have to use their ability every night so the vig had to kill.

[Arjos]

there were at least 6 killing powers night 0.

And which factions wouldn't take any second thoughts about killing? Mafia and SK...


And BSmith cleared classical...

We still don't know if the second (if there ever was one) busdriver screwed that one up...

[Arjos]

With Night 1 do you mean 0 or 1?

Anyway I blocked in this order so far: Monty, DaveShack and Lazy...


Everyone have to use their ability every night so the vig had to kill.

Argh forgot about that...


There will be multiple players with one the following abilities

Does this mean all are there, but only one type has many players with the same? That's what I understood so far...
If that's the case there's at most one vig (unless that was the one with more), but there can't be another busdriver (unless you are lying) and so BSmith is definitely scum...
But two only seems little for "multiple", could it be that there's only one type for all? lol

Still we don't know if a mafia is prevented to kill, the night he's attacked...
There could be priorities or all happening at the same time...

[BSmith]

And I blocked in this order: topsecret, classical and edse

In my experience it is generally the case that the kill goes through even if you are killed yourself that night. Of course this game could be a little different, and some clarification from Zack could help matters here. I suppose it is even possible that classical killed himself.

The bigger issue right now, though, is that we are the only three talking. Where the hell is everyone else? It is going to take all of our collective effort to work this out and win.

[Jarema]

I am here but not getting a lot to share.
my head barely holds info already presented by you guys.
For now, I will vote: LazyMcCrow
but I am not very sure

[edse]

I am here but not getting a lot to share.
my head barely holds info already presented by you guys.
For now, I will vote: LazyMcCrow
but I am not very sure

What are you? nothing about your night actions you can tell?


Does this mean all are there, but only one type has many players with the same? That's what I understood so far...
If that's the case there's at most one vig (unless that was the one with more), but there can't be another busdriver (unless you are lying) and so BSmith is definitely scum...
But two only seems little for "multiple", could it be that there's only one type for all? lol
you are misunderstanding. everyone has one of the roles in the list so there are multiple of each role.

[Jarema]

I am a doctor. I protected mostly at random, only last night I protected with real intent behind it.
First night, I really do not remember who I protected. I tried to check, but my sent items get auto-deleted.
Second night, I protected topsecret. I believe there is someone, who can kill through protection, or something else weird is happening.
Last night, I protected Arjos.

[Arjos]

you are misunderstanding. everyone has one of the roles in the list so there are multiple of each role.

Ahhhhhh, cheers, that changes things a lot XD
Gah, so for all we know Lazy could even be a vig :S
Or a mafia might not have killing powers, but somenthing else...

[Zack]

Does this mean all are there, but only one type has many players with the same? That's what I understood so far...
If that's the case there's at most one vig (unless that was the one with more), but there can't be another busdriver (unless you are lying) and so BSmith is definitely scum...
But two only seems little for "multiple", could it be that there's only one type for all? lol
Everyone has a night ability. Those are the only night abilities in the game. Each of those listed abilities is possessed by multiple players.

[Jarema]

Ahhhhhh, cheers, that changes things a lot XD
Gah, so for all we know Lazy could even be a vig :S
.

TBH, we have no method (other than lynch) to recognize between SK and vigilante... (at least I think so)

[Arjos]

Gah, I miss night action reports XD


TBH, we have no method (other than lynch) to recognize between SK and vigilante... (at least I think so)

Aye, but the vig should still be town aligned...

[Montmorency]

I believe Daveshack ought to die. Think about it.

[LazyMcCrow]

I've still got to catch up on who is supposedly bussing who, but Arjos is either lying or misinformed.
vote: Arjos

[LazyMcCrow]

I am a doctor. I protected mostly at random, only last night I protected with real intent behind it.
First night, I really do not remember who I protected. I tried to check, but my sent items get auto-deleted.
Second night, I protected topsecret. I believe there is someone, who can kill through protection, or something else weird is happening.
Last night, I protected Arjos.

Ah - OK Arjos gets it. unvote: Arjos, vote: Jarema for the above. scum, scummier, scummiest.

[Montmorency]

Claims:

First Night: Bsmith - blocked top secret
Arjos - blocked Daveshack

Second Night: Jarema- Protected top secret
BSmith - blocked Classical
Arjos - blocked Montmorency

Third Night: Edse - Bussed Jarema and Classical (killed)
Bsmith - Blocked Edse
Classical - known killer scum
Arjos - blocked Crow
Jarema - Protected Arjos
Daveshack - ?
Lazy - ?

Crow, how about you reveal already. Edse vs. Bsmith is leaning heavily in Bsmith's favor, unless Dave is a ...

[Arjos]

BTW you switched my first two nights' actions...
Also what do we make of Jarema protecting top secret, the night the latter was killed?

[edse]

Jarema is the SK and was targeted by the mafia last night. My busdriving, not blocked by BSmith, made it kill classical instead. Jarema=SK and BSmith=remaining mafia

Unvote: Vote: Jarema

[Arjos]

If that's the case for Jarema, why on earth would he claim doctor and most of all claim he protected someone getting killed the very same night?

I'm getting the feeling that you and Lazy are up to no good...

[edse]

If that's the case for Jarema, why on earth would he claim doctor and most of all claim he protected someone getting killed the very same night?

I'm getting the feeling that you and Lazy are up to no good...

We have no way to check if he's lying or not and, as you say, that he mentions a failed protection is only to give him more reliability.

[Montmorency]

What if Edse was indeed blocked, and the SK killed Classical?

Eh?

Eh?

Monty-Arjos kill would be a textbook Mafia move...

[Arjos]

Monty-Arjos kill would be a textbook Mafia move...

That was my view on it aswell, I have no suspicion for edse atm, but so far he's following only his own theories that fits only with his own gut feelings, with very little evidences to back them...

[edse]

What if Edse was indeed blocked, and the SK killed Classical?

Eh?

Eh?

Monty-Arjos kill would be a textbook Mafia move...

edse and lazy is blocked
Arjos and BSmith blocks

SK kills classical
mafia kills Monty

Jarema and DaveShack is left as possible killers.

[Arjos]

Jarema and DaveShack is left as possible killers.

For the kills that went through (and for all we know classical might have killed before dying), but we may have one that was blocked still...
And again BSmith might be lying :S

[Montmorency]

DaveShack is left as possible killers.

Good.

Gooood.

Fulfill your destiny.

:mellow:

[Zack]

LazyMcCrow: 3 (BSmith, Arjos, Jarema)

Jarema: 2 (LazyMcCrow, edse)

Not Voting: DaveShack

[DaveShack]

Oh crap, you're making a big mistake on Crow. I busdrove Monty and Crow on the 3rd night. That means that it was Monty who was actually blocked, not Crow. And the killer had targeted Crow. I was AFK and then it took a while to read through everything and realize what had happened.

The other two nights I made horrible guesses, and busdrove between pairs of killed people. Choxorn and Atheotes the first night, Csargo and Fluffy on the 2nd night. All irrelevant...

Vote: Jarema has a weaker claim. Doctor is an easy claim to make, even with one of the protections not working in a busdriver environment, but Jarema was not blocked or busdriven so the protection claim has to be false.

[Arjos]

Ok, Crow and Dave are the scum...

[edse]

The only thing you have on Lazy is that you blocked him and there were one kill less. The missing kill is most likely classical's that didn't go through. It could also be that the remaining killer targeted you and that Jarema protected you or me whose kill was blocked by BSmith. That case makes no sense. Jarema and BSmith is the remaining killers, one SK and one mafia.

[Arjos]

Right, forgot classical died, I doubt we have 4 mafia...

Gah, gotta consider who might be lying here, will get back for an unvote most likely...

[Arjos]

Unvote; Vote: Jarema

For now, that doctor who can't protect and all that...

[Arjos]

Any of the dead players, maybe with a fresher mind, can see a better picture here?

[Montmorency]

First Night: Bsmith - blocked top secret
Arjos - blocked Monty
Dave - bussed Choxorn and Atheotes (killed)

Second Night: Jarema- Protected top secret (killed)
BSmith - blocked Classical
Arjos - blocked Dave
Dave - bussed Csargo and Fluffy

Third Night: Edse - Bussed Jarema and Classical (killed)
Bsmith - Blocked Edse
Classical - known killer scum
Arjos - blocked Crow
Jarema - Protected Arjos
Daveshack - bussed Crow and Monty
Lazy - VIG SOFT CLAIM

Another thing of note - something which everyone has overlooked - is Lazy's soft claim of VIG, which would necessitate there being only 2 Mafia scum and one SK scum in a 17-player rolefest. That is, UNLESS, one or more of the Mafia have had NON KILLING ROLES.


1. Daveshack - in a crime thriller, any one individual who is inexplicably repeatedly on the scene of a death often turns out to be the villain. Also, going by his bussing of myself, we would have to believe that the Mafia passed up on killing me or Arjos to attack the lurker Crow OR a second killer failed. And if Crow is a townie killer, we would have to arrive at the former and reject the latter. We wouldh have to conclude that there was no Mafia available to go after the most townie-seeming pair, or the remaining mafioso couldn't kill. If there was not a second killing scum, however, it would have made absolutely no sense to pass up on an Arjos or Montmorency kill.

[Arjos]

I think we might have vig-sk-mafia left too, otherwise I don't get the classical block and same kills...
Mafia must've some non-killing role too...

Still BSmith could be the lying SK...
The thing is: I don't see people working together and they should all be separated, so I'm leaning towards the Jarema's lynch...
But maybe we have the SK or mafia that figured out who is who and is voting accordingly...

[Montmorency]

Edse could have at least volunteered his first two actions...

I get the feeling town will pay for lynching Jarema.

[edse]

Edse could have at least volunteered his first two actions...

I get the feeling town will pay for lynching Jarema.

I told you them already...


You and Arjos the night before and Monty and Visor the night bbefore that

[Arjos]

I told you them already...

He meant, u could've revealed and helped us...

Guys do you wanna try our luck?
Still I might actually believe Lazy & DaveShack...

Right now I think it's Jarema and BSmith...

[edse]

He meant, u could've revealed and helped us...

At day 2 you mean? You and BSmith were the only ones to reveal, BSmith to clear classical and you to clear DaveShack.

[Arjos]

I cleared Monty too for the matter...

[edse]

So then DaveShack should be ok as well and BSmith was lying about classical. You block him tonight.

[Arjos]

So then DaveShack should be ok as well

Only reason why I trusted him today...

[Zack]

Jarema: 4 (LazyMcCrow, edse, DaveShack, Arjos)

LazyMcCrow: 2 (BSmith, Jarema)

[Zack]

Jarema was lynched.


Jarema was the Serial Killer!

The mafia, no longer held back by Jarema, quickly slaughtered the rest of the townies.

Arjos was Innocent!

BSmith was Innocent!




MAFIA VICTORY!


Send in your night orders.


ALIVE:

[3]

DaveShack - Mafia
edse - Mafia
LazyMcCrow - Mafia


LYNCHED:

[3]

Visorslash - Innocent - Lynched Day One
Chaotix - Innocent - Lynched Day Two
Jarema - Serial Killer - Lynched Day Three


KILLED:

[11]

atheotes - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
choxorn - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
Ishmael - Mafia - Killed Night Zero
johnhughthom - Innocent - Killed Night Zero
Csargo - Innocent - Killed Night One
thefluffyone9 - Innocent - Killed Night One
topsecret - Innocent - Killed Night One
classical_hero - Mafia - Killed Night Two
Montmorency - Innocent - Killed Night Two
Arjos - Innocent - Killed Day Three
Bsmith - Innocent - Killed Day Three

[edse]

phew... I hate that it always get so messy when I try to do anything.

[Zack]

DaveShack - Bus Driver - Mafia
edse - Killer - Mafia
LazyMcCrow - Killer - Mafia
classical_hero - Killer - Mafia
Ishmael - Roleblocker - Mafia

choxorn - Doctor - Town
topsecret - Doctor - Town
Montmorency - Doctor - Town

atheotes - Roleblocker - Town
Arjos - Roleblocker - Town
Bsmith - Roleblocker - Town

johnhughthom - Vigilante - Town
thefluffyone9 - Vigilante - Town
Chaotix - Vigilante - Town

Visorslash - Bus Driver - Town
Csargo - Bus Driver - Town

Jarema - Serial Killer - Serial Killer (kill immune, Victory: last man standing, or kill 4 people)

Five mafia seems like a lot, but the town kept winning during playtesting with only four scums... and they still won a lot with five scums, but I couldn't justify adding any more. Town just had bad luck this game, because the tools were certainly there: three doctors, three roleblockers, three vigilantes, and two bus drivers.

[johnhughthom]

Well done scummers. :hail:

Thanks for the game, Zacky boy.

[Arjos]

Good Lord all that mafia XD

Gah, Jarema, next time claim SK and we can share the victory hopefully XD

[Ishmael]

Well played everybody :yes:. To my team mates - sorry for dying so early.

[Montmorency]

DaveShack - Mafia
edse - Mafia
LazyMcCrow - Mafia

I posited that these were the Mafia+SK yesterday, but figured it seemed too far-fetched to go down well and refrained from posting.

I swear.

Good game. Though having 6 scum out of 17 players may have been pushing it.

[Zack]

Night Zero

*denotes random (no order)

Note: Bus driving targets are already switched here; these are the results, not the orders.

DaveShack switch Monty, Visor

choxorn protect Montmorency
Arjos block choxorn

edse kill choxorn

LazyMcCrow kill atheotes

classical_hero kill Jarema*
Jarema kill immune

Jarema kill Ishmael

Csargo switch choxorn, JHT
Visorslash switch JHT, fluffy*
choxorn switched with fluffy

topsecret protect atheotes
Bsmith block topsecret

JHT vig atheotes
atheotes already dead

Ishmael block JHT
atheotes block Ishmael

fluffy vig Arjos
Montmorency protect Arjos

Chaotix vig JHT


Night One

DaveShack switch Bsmith, Arjos
Arjos block DaveShack

edse kill Csargo

Lazy kill fluffy

CH kill Chaotix
Bsmith block CH
Montmorency protect Chaotix*

Jarema kill Arjos
topsecret protect Arjos*

Csargo switch topsecret, Chaotix

fluffy vig topsecret

Chaotix vig Csargo
Csargo already dead


Night Two

DaveShack switches Arjos, edse -- Night action of the game, right here

edse kills Jarema
Jarema kill immune

LazyMcCrow kills Montmorency

Arjos blocks LazyMcCrow
Bsmith blocks Arjos

Jarema kills CH

CH kills Bsmith
Classical_hero is dead

Montmorency protects edse

[Montmorency]

Montmorency protects edse


Protect: Arjos.

Making clear that this was the original action.

[Zack]

Good game. Though having 6 scum out of 17 players may have been pushing it.
5 scum. Jarema was the Town MVP this game. :laugh4: He killed two scums and kept the mafia from overwhelming the town with numbers.

And like I said, with the ridiculous amount of town power roles, the loss was not the fault of game balance.

[Zack]

Making clear that this was the original action.
Learn how to read!


Note: Bus driving targets are already switched here; these are the results, not the orders.


DaveShack switches Arjos, edse -- Night action of the game, right here

[Arjos]

Argh, not beeing able to coordinate, made it easy for DaveShack to switch me and edse; grrrr...
We need PMs! XD

I think that's the imba part, they not only have kills, but block and bus and we can't even talk in private! :O

[Montmorency]

Learn how to read!

Go to last post.

:shrug:

No one can say that I'm not hasty.

[LazyMcCrow]

Montmorency: You are scary awesome. Tbc.

[Montmorency]

Huh?

[Zack]

If anyone has a right to complain, it's Jarema. He played a superb game, yet only got halfway towards victory.

[Ishmael]

Here's the mafia QT by the way: http://www.quicktopic.com/47/H/raqHYKgkCq5xC

[Arjos]

If anyone has a right to complain, it's Jarema. He played a superb game, yet only got halfway towards victory.

Well lol
As you said night action of the game, but thank you very much, I basically told BSmith to block edse XD
DaveShack just read the post and acted accordingly...

[Choxorn]

Visorslash got me killed by not sending in orders on Night 1, and I tried to protect him. :no:

[Visor]

Visorslash got me killed by not sending in orders on Night 1, and I tried to protect him. :no:

I honestly thought he was just using the night phase to let people know the game was started and get it onto a time he preferred.

That said, I do have a few complaints to make. (Keep in mind these aren't major, and if you take offence to these the tissues are waiting for you)

1. The game wasn't all that fun. Yes Chaos can be fun, but killing people off N0, so they don't even get a chance to vote is not fun for those people. Even a D1 start would've been bettter.
2. Claims that this was balanced are (IMO at least) not true. Role madness games such as this are very rarely if ever balanced, and this is no exception. Giving a N0 start, with the town having no information and expecting them to do well, when the roles they have are likely to backfire on the town (they're what I call backfire roles, roles that can be both pro and anti town, even in town hands). Also no PMs just screws town even more.
3. Tons of scum, not only have a large voting bloc, but also lots more to kill and can help push suspiscion.

Good game anyway, but I don't think you can claim this as balanced.

EDIT: Yes I mispelt words, don't care.
EDIT 2: It's like claiming my game on CFC is balanced at the moment. It's not true.
EDIT 3: I'm not saying this is a crap game, for the record.

[BSmith]

Well lol
As you said night action of the game, but thank you very much, I basically told BSmith to block edse XD
DaveShack just read the post and acted accordingly...

Yeah. It was him or Dave after your list. I almost blocked Dave. :(

Guess I feel vindicated that the only one I didn't really trust this last day was arjos. Private communication would have made our job a lot easier.

[Zack]

I'm not offended by your complaints, Visor, but I will try to counter them nonetheless. They're understandable, valid concerns. :yes:


1. The game wasn't all that fun. Yes Chaos can be fun, but killing people off N0, so they don't even get a chance to vote is not fun for those people. Even a D1 start would've been bettter.
How did starting with a Night phase render the game not fun?


2. Claims that this was balanced are (IMO at least) not true. Role madness games such as this are very rarely if ever balanced, and this is no exception. Giving a N0 start, with the town having no information and expecting them to do well
How did the Night start hurt the town? A scum died that night. They would have had a lot less information to start with if it was a Day start.


, when the roles they have are likely to backfire on the town (they're what I call backfire roles, roles that can be both pro and anti town, even in town hands).
And how does having 13 power roles - three doctors, three vigilantes, three roleblockers, and two bus drivers - tip the balance in the mafia's favor? There is the potential right there to wipe out the entire scum team in the first night, while simultaneously preventing them from doing anything. It is not unbalanced because the town didn't use their abilities well; that's unlucky.


Also no PMs just screws town even more.
To be fair, PMs and town networks can backfire on the town much more profoundly than having 13 power roles can.


3. Tons of scum, not only have a large voting bloc, but also lots more to kill and can help push suspiscion.
3 basic goons, 1 bus driver, and 1 roleblocker (all know each other and can discuss things privately) VS. 1 serial killer (night-kill immune) VS. 3 doctors, 3 vigilantes, 3 roleblockers, 2 bus drivers

Jarema got shafted, but I think the town vs. mafia conflict was pretty fair. The mafia wasted several kills trying to kill Jarema. 3 vigilantes and 2 bus drivers alone could potentially even completely wipe out the scum team in a night. The vigilantes misfired this game, badly, and they were killed/lynched off pretty quickly, which upset the balance in the mafia's favor. The roleblockers were off the mark until the last night, when the mafia bus driver made them block each other. The doctors did well. The bus drivers were ineffective.

Basically, the town misfired the whole game, which cost them the game.


Good game anyway
Nah, it was pretty mediocre, if that.

[Montmorency]

To be fair, PMs and town networks can backfire on the town much more profoundly than having 13 power roles can.

11.

Networking in this game would only have been possible on the final night - too much confusion, too little time. Yet it's the spirit that counts. Networking in this game would have been interesting, at least.

[Zack]

Yeah, too many scum; I guess I didn't realize there were almost half as many mafia as there were innocents. However, the town kept winning with 4 scum when I was playtesting. And then they still won when there were five scum.

Games like this just leave a lot up to random chance. The mafia could have been wiped out pretty quickly if the town got lucky with their orders and lynches, but the town could also get wiped out pretty quickly if they were unlucky with their orders and lynches.

[DaveShack]

I almost messed it up for us by being away until so late in the day. Monty had the "failure to claim right away" syndrome pegged, IMO. Lucky for us that Arjos didn't give that enough weight.
The N2 (3rd night) busdrive was pretty much the only thing that made sense, given the kills which were already ordered. So while it had big effects, I don't claim any brilliance there.

I wouldn't say it was unbalanced, but IMO it would be accurate to say the design put a lot more into luck than I'm used to seeing. A few wrong choices would (and did) lead to a bloodbath. OTOH, a few good guesses by town and it was quite possible for them to one-shot the mafia. If you kill all our killers by busdriving our kills onto ourselves or the Vig/SK gets through, the remaining 2 non-kill mafia get overwhelmed quickly by the other roles.

[Montmorency]

Games like this are like an RPG duel at 10 paces, then. With a nagging wolverine gnawing on the ankles of both parties.

[Jarema]

The funny thing (for me) is that one of arguments against my lynch was that failed protection I claimed...
you deduced that if I was not blocked or bussed, I must lie (protection should be effective, no?)

and you know what? I was able to kill through protection ~:)