Virtue cannot live in these lands

[Dellathane]

I'm still playing as the Welsh in my Viking campaign (As I over illustrate here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?141888-Ambitious-Rebels))

As I mentioned the line of Welsh kings has gone mad (and drunk at the moment), but the problem is that all my generals seem to be equally useless in one way or another. I've had two Hero generals come through. Both have four command stars, one has the virtue "lawman", the other "Man of unquestioning faith" or something to that effect. In only a few years as the govenour of Pouis and the Champion of my armies the man who's faith was absolute had only three piety, no mention that he had ever know anyone called God and is now Very Lazy and nothing else. The Lawmaker retained his title but is now full of pride and very violent.

Is there just something wrong with my culture? Why can't even the holy men resist corruption of the soul?

[Trapped in Samsara]

Hi

Perhaps it's a Welsh thing?

Best regards
Victor

Sapere aude
Horace

[Dellathane]

Couldn't comment, I live in England. :mellow:

[daigaku]

Hi Dellathane,

.....seems to be part of the "fun" in the game. Same happens to my (main campaign) Danish Kings and Generals - in the end, if I don´t kill them, they are 11-toed drunkards, maybe very believing, but nothing worth on the battle field. So often I send those guys for suicide attacks somewhere to do some last heavy damage before getting slaughtered. With Princelings I do the same, sparing often only one who is promisingly good with v&v. See my REDUX-thread for getting rid of such i@iots.....

This v&v-system of MTW is one of the very few things I really dislike in THE GAME, often hardly having any relation to what those guys do and how they perform in battle and politics. So, sad enough, we got to live with it....

greetings daigaku

[Dellathane]

Funny you should mention that. A terrible tragedy happened. My king had his heirs and generals tried and killed on a whim. The loony killed his eldest son and promptly died of old age himself. The only surviving claimant to the throne (the runt of the family, he can even read and count) was forced to take power. Tragic.

I love the V&V system personally, but I agree that it has too little to do with what happens on the campaign map.

[Gilrandir]

I love the V&V system personally, but I agree that it has too little to do with what happens on the campaign map.
Ditto. There are only two cases when I pay attention to v&v:
1. When I appoint governors - the acumen matters (four quills at least).
2. The multy-star general shouldn't have "a good runner" vice.

[daigaku]

Hi,

Dellathane: "The loony killed his eldest son and promptly died of old age himself. The only surviving claimant to the throne (the runt of the family, he can even read and count) was forced to take power. Tragic."

....that happens if you don´t root them out by yourself early enough - let the "best" one live and send all the others, King included, to suicide missions.....

Gilrandir: 1. right, at least four, and maybe something like "materialist" in the v&v. He´ll try to get more ;-))
2. The stupid thing is: gotten pinned with this guy (I assume he is mounted) means to get him out - sometimes the only solution is "rout" - and voila, "good runner"..........stupid cavallery, I know why I love my Danes/Norse and their Inf......

greetings daigaku