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Hax
07-21-2012, 12:51
This is not really a response to Hooahguy's thread, and although it's largely copied from my blog, I've edited several things in order to keep more in line with forum guidelines.

Most of the people here probably think I'm pretty hardline against Israel, but I should probably say that over the last year and half I shifted into taking a relatively neutral stance towards the whole conflict. Let me just make clear that I think that Israel has a right to exist and that its existence should be respected by its neighbours, but that its treatment of the Arab population both inside Israel proper (pre-1967 borders) and within the West Bank. I'm not really sure what the solution is.

A bit of background information: last year, I started studying Arabic at Leiden University and joined a Student Association that traditionally picks a destination every year and go there to do interesting stuff (like visiting NGO's, political institutions and stuff like that). In any case, the destination for this year's trip was Israel and Jordan. We left June 18th, and I'll let the rest speak for itself:



It's a long enough title, but hell, at least you know what it's about. Experiencing the Israeli border control
Prologue: A short personal history!

I've never felt discriminated against anywhere. Althought it's indeniable that being of Arab descent often lead to questions (“Are you a Muslim?”), jokes (“My roommate is a terrorist”) and a one-time negative approach (“If you're of Arab descent, you can't be culturally western”), I've never felt the kind of discrimination with which blacks (in the United States), Jews (in the 19th century, particularly in eastern Europe) or gypsies (in eastern Europe as well) were confronted. As such, being raised in a pretty protective environment surrounded by people who tended to respect for what I do, rather than what I look like or where my father's from, I regard myself as a pretty laid-back guy who tries to take life as it comes, and by all means not to seriously.

What is your father's name? What is your grandfather's name?

Now most people I know are aware that on June 18th, 2012, I left for a two-and-a-half week trip through Israel (with a one-day stop in the Occupied Territories) and Jordan. As my passport had been sent to the embassy beforehand and I had met with the Israeli consul responsible for tourism twice, I did not expect any trouble at all.

Passing through Schiphol went relatively easy (even though I shouted the word “cocaine” a bit too loudly for most standards), and even though I got a red sticker in my passport which meant that I'd had to be double-checked (which in all fairness, was standard procedure as I was travelling on a second passport) we were able to leave with all body cavities left untouched and boarded the El-Al flight to Tel Aviv at 12:15, as according to plan.

We arrived in Tel Aviv around 5:00 PM. It may just have been bad luck, but as we touched down, several other planes touched down simultaneously, leading to pretty long lines at the passport control. The mood was jovial, we had arrived in Israel without crashing unexpectedly into the Mediterranean and nobody had tried to blown up the airplane. Things were going, by all standards, totally okay. However, as the line progressed, I was unfortunately the last person to go to passport control. That's where the trouble started.

The moment I handed over my passport, I still didn't expect any trouble. After all, I'd already gone through a background check, and if they wouldn't have allowed me entrance, they'd have done it beforehand, right? Some two minutes later, I started to expect trouble. After another half a minute, the officer looked at me and said; “What is your father's name?”

Well, damn. The moment he asked the question I didn't really feel welcome anymore. Still, there's no point in being a dick about it, so I just answered the question.

The border officer tapped on his keyboard and proceeded to ask another question: “What is your grandfather's name, if you can remember?” “It's Yousef, but he passed away before I was born.”

The officer stretched his back and looked me in the eye.

“Right. I'm going to keep your passport, would you mind walking back and going to that room?”

The Arab Corner of Shame and Humiliation

He pointed to a small room on the far side of the hall. I was taken aback and didn't really know how to respond, so I just nodded and said “Well, sure”. I don't really remember what I was thinking at that point, but I walked to the room he'd so kindly pointed towards and sat down in one of the chairs.

There were Arabs everywhere. I thought: "Ah finally, compatriots". I decided against trying to start a conversation, as it would probably have compromised the security situation and have turned the border patrols even more hostile than they already were. In any case, there was free wifi (it's how they keep the Palestinians in line, of course) and I started checking my Facebook.

In any case, I certainly didn't expect to be held up for any more than thirty minutes but it turned out I was wrong. And as my phone battery lay dying, I couldn't help feel that for the first time in my life, I was doing something wrong just by looking the way I did and having the ancestry I had. I must confess that I've had my share of better moments. Systematic discrimination is difficult enough to describe. It also opens up somebody to empathising with people who weren't born into a protective environment in which everybody is pretty much equal. I suddenly understood why people were throwing stones.

After two hours, nobody had showed up with my passport. In the meantime, I had already called the person responsible for the trip, and as I had no idea how long it was gonna take, I told them they should probably go to the hostel.

It's Starting to Get Repetitive
Finally, after about two-and-a-half hours, there was a woman who came in carrying my passport and asked me to come along. I was taken to a small room with a single computer and with three women running about, talking to eachother in Hebrew and for the first five minutes, they didn't even pay any attention to me. It was only when I tried calling one of our travel companions again that one of them said: “You can't call people in here”.

Fine, whatever. I hung up and the woman turned towards me.

“What is the purpose of your stay in Israel?”
You'd think they'd have known by now, with the whole Israeli security apparatus.

“I'm here with a group of twenty students from the Netherlands, and we're here on a study trip.”
No change in her expression.

“Where are you going?”
“We're going to stay in Israel for about one and a half week, we'll be visiting Ramallah for one day*, and finally we'll be going to Amman for about a week, before going back and taking the plan to Amsterdam again”.

Still no change in her expression. Instead, she took out a paper and a pen and put them in front of the desk. I looked at her with a blank expression (or so I hoped).

“I want you to write down your phone number, your mobile number as well as your email address”.

Doing The Right Thing
The right thing to have done at that point was to have laughed in her face, tell her she could go to hell, demand my passport back and call the Dutch embassy and either go into Israel without giving my personal details (which they already had in any case, so what they wanted them for is a total mystery). The thing is, at that point you're not really thinking clearly, so I just did what she asked.

“With whom are you going to Ramallah?”
At last, I finally had a really good answer ready.

“Yeah, see, we're going with the same guy who was a guide to ex-president Clinton”.
She didn't look too amused, so she just said: “Okay, you can go back to that room, we'll be giving you your passport in a couple of minutes”. I replied: “And then I go into Israel?”. She looked even grumpier, so I just decided to leave it at that and I walked back to the Room of Many Probings

After another half an hour, finally they came back with my passport and told me I could pass into Israel without going through the border control again. Relieved, I took my passport and immediately felt re-united with my identity. I marched past border control and showed my passport to the two border officers standing there before entering the hall of Ben Gurion airport. I'd finally managed to get into Israel.

Epilogue
Now for the stinger: as soon as I'd passed the border, the first thing I noticed is that I wasn't able to see my co-students anywhere, which was understandeable, as most of them had gone to the hostel beforehand. So while I was standing there gawking, looking around like a helpless lemming in front of a cliff, a police officer came up to me: “Can I see your passport, sir?”

Oh god, not again.


Note: I would like to stress that in the end, I really enjoyed my time in Israel. Apart from the border checks, which happened three times (entering Israel at Ben-Gurion, leaving at Allenby and coming back at Allenby (strangely, leaving Ben-Gurion was no problem)) the Israeli people appeared quite aloof, but were in fact mostly really friendly and open-minded. To a large degree, the notion of Israel as a state where people of many different origins are able to live together relatively well. Noteable exceptions are south Tel-Aviv, which has a large population of black immigrants and certain parts of Jerusalem. Regardless, apart from what happened at the border, the Israeli public made me feel really welcome and made sure I really enjoyed my time there.


*Eventually, we didn't go to Ramallah, but to Hebron/al-Khalil instead, which was a much more interesting and enlightening experience.

So that's that for now. I'd like to keep this post updated with some other experiences, such as the one mentioned in al-Khalil/Hebron with some pictures, but seeing how I'm in Lebanon right now and don't have the pictures of the trip with me on my laptop right now, that one will have to wait. I hope it's interesting enough for people to read.

Fragony
07-21-2012, 13:01
'Most of the people here probably think I'm pretty hardline against Israel'

Nah, you are way too gentle a person for that

Hax
07-21-2012, 13:02
I got infractions, Frags. INFRACTIONS!

Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
07-21-2012, 13:05
I got infractions, Frags. INFRACTIONS!

I once got an infraction for insulting Tribesman.

No, that was enlightening - thanks for sharing.

For the record, I would probably have just left Israel and spent the week in Lebenon or gone home.

Hax
07-21-2012, 13:12
bollox :laugh4: :laugh4: :laugh4:

In any case, going home was not really an option. My father was initially really against me going there, but more out of concern that stuff like this would happen than out of dislike for the Israeli state. In any case, the experience pretty much even drove me further to seeing what life was there all about. The fact that I was travelling within a group also definitely helped. In any case, I don't feel like going back until some of the stress has been relieved, but in my opinion this is as much a problem of the wider Arab world as it is Israel's problem.

Besides, going to Lebanon with Israeli stamps is not an option. I had to fly back to Amsterdam to get my second passport (the university gave me an extra for study reasons) and I left for Lebanon the next day.

Fragony
07-21-2012, 13:32
I once got an infraction for insulting Tribesman.

No, that was enlightening - thanks for sharing.

For the record, I would probably have just left Israel and spent the week in Lebenon or gone home.

Odd to say it comming from me but I kinda miss him, I still feel kinda guilty

Major Robert Dump
07-21-2012, 14:57
It really is a shame you had to go through that.

But I am not sure what else you would have expected. I know plenty of corn fed hill billy crackers who get razzed going in, and they are just lowly baptists looking to visit the holy land. I also know a couple of US soldiers who were held up for hours, despite having ID cards and R&R paperwork.

Beskar
07-22-2012, 02:58
I feel your pain and I am not remotely Arabian looking. You know the person they stopped at all those security outposts everywhere within Israel? I was that person. Though, it wasn't as bad as your situation on touchdown.

Jolt
07-22-2012, 03:11
Fortunately, I'm a pale blue-eyed guy. If I ever visit Israel, I don't think I'll be having those problems. :)

Hooahguy
07-22-2012, 04:24
Sorry you had to go through that. Thankfully I didnt have to go through that since Im obviously Jewish with a very Jewish name so i was good to go. Only question they asked me was what was my fathers name. Other than that I was fine.

Interested to hear more about the trip itself than the airport experience.
Also how much interaction did you have with Israelis? Not talking about tour guides.

Hax
07-22-2012, 15:28
Well, we slept mostly in hostels visited by other Israelis, so there was quite a bit of conversation. I even managed to start something of a conversation with some Orthodox Jews in Jerusalem. Generally, we spoke to relatively well-educated young Israelis (we spent a day at Tel Aviv University), shopkeepers, people working at NGO's and stuff like that.

Hooahguy
07-22-2012, 19:10
More about the conversation with the orthodox Jews please!

Fragony
07-23-2012, 06:10
More about the conversation with the orthodox Jews please!

Heh that's a chat I'd rather avoid personally, Israeli's aren't short on their own nutjobs

Fragony
07-23-2012, 06:10
More about the conversation with the orthodox Jews please!

Heh that's a chat I'd rather avoid personally, Israeli's aren't short on their own nutjobs

Kralizec
07-23-2012, 09:33
To be honest, while the security things sucks (especially for you), none of that really surprises me. What did you expect?


Heh that's a chat I'd rather avoid personally, Israeli's aren't short on their own nutjobs

I would. If only for the reason that I'd be curious how they, face to face, would justify dodging all sorts of obligations (military service) that their compatriots have to put up with and deliberately being a drain on the country's social services. But maybe I'm just a bigot.

Fragony
07-23-2012, 10:44
To be honest, while the security things sucks (especially for you), none of that really surprises me. What did you expect?



I would. If only for the reason that I'd be curious how they, face to face, would justify dodging all sorts of obligations (military service) that their compatriots have to put up with and deliberately being a drain on the country's social services. But maybe I'm just a bigot.

Kinda confident I know their answer, these hardcore orthodox jews don't recognise Israel's existance just like Hamas doesn't, they are pretty cosy really. They aren't very popular there.

Hax
07-23-2012, 17:17
To be honest, while the security things sucks (especially for you), none of that really surprises me. What did you expect?

The post is not necessarily directed against the Israeli internal security apparatus or the border control per se, rather, it's directed towards the way they tend to deal with these situations. Two months before travelling, my passport was sent to the Israeli embassy in The Hague and we all underwent screenings. The Israeli consul responsible for tourism even reassured us (and me personally) that we would all be able to enter Israel without any trouble.

My own theory on why they did this is because they like to intimidate people. It's got nothing to do with who I am, because they'd known long before I even boarded the airplane to Tel Aviv who I was, who my family is and why I was coming. I simply cannot believe that they'd be so shoddy about these kind of things that there had been no forward planning at all.

HoreTore
07-23-2012, 17:35
The post is not necessarily directed against the Israeli internal security apparatus or the border control per se, rather, it's directed towards the way they tend to deal with these situations. Two months before travelling, my passport was sent to the Israeli embassy in The Hague and we all underwent screenings. The Israeli consul responsible for tourism even reassured us (and me personally) that we would all be able to enter Israel without any trouble.

My own theory on why they did this is because they like to intimidate people. It's got nothing to do with who I am, because they'd known long before I even boarded the airplane to Tel Aviv who I was, who my family is and why I was coming. I simply cannot believe that they'd be so shoddy about these kind of things that there had been no forward planning at all.

I wouldn't rule out "bad IT systems" coupled with "uncaring/overworked staff"...

Hax
07-23-2012, 17:41
Israel couldn't really afford stuff like that, though.

Fragony
07-23-2012, 18:41
The post is not necessarily directed against the Israeli internal security apparatus or the border control per se, rather, it's directed towards the way they tend to deal with these situations. Two months before travelling, my passport was sent to the Israeli embassy in The Hague and we all underwent screenings. The Israeli consul responsible for tourism even reassured us (and me personally) that we would all be able to enter Israel without any trouble.

My own theory on why they did this is because they like to intimidate people. It's got nothing to do with who I am, because they'd known long before I even boarded the airplane to Tel Aviv who I was, who my family is and why I was coming. I simply cannot believe that they'd be so shoddy about these kind of things that there had been no forward planning at all.

I don't like them either but you can't blame them for disliking leftist europeans. Of course they want some information on your wherabouts, you could be into hurting them. That might not make sense to you but it really does.

Hax
07-23-2012, 20:28
But that's the thing. They knew exactly who I was and they knew exactly where I'd be going. Besides, apart from my membership of D66, there's not that much leftist about me, really.

Major Robert Dump
07-23-2012, 23:26
Small chance it was beaurucratic backlog and oversight, and your arrival caught them unawares

Or perhaps you were screened and vetted, but these people were (for some reason) uninformed either through human or tech error

More likely, they have a different definition of what it means to be able to enter Israel without any trouble.

I would also think that the more advanced your travel notice was, the more likely you would be to get hassled and re-screened because that gives bad guys more time to off you and steal your identity or infiltrate your travel plans etc

So yeah, they are just jerks all around with anyone who isn't a card carrying member