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Gilrandir
07-24-2012, 14:13
Boy, this is gonna be a long post.
I finally started on my high expert Sicilian campaign. As I have promised I give a brief report and some observations. It is 1225 now and I expanded my kingdom which now includes (besides the initial provinces) Greece, Const and Bulgaria. The major problem I confront is the excess of heirs which, if not countered (due to six-princes rule), would render the next king childless. So I send them on suicidal missions from time to time.
During my game I saw some strange developments that I have never met before and all of them have to do with peripatetic crusades.
1. Once upon a time two crusades approached my realm - one English (my ally) and one German. The first to come was the German one and it asked for a permission to pass through Bulgaria. Having no desire for an excom, I agreed. In a year, the second one appeared in view and ASKING FOR NO PERMISSION entered the same province. I have two possible explanations: 1) the English are my allies so they thought that a friend does not need to ask for such trifles that should go without saying between buddies; 2) if a second crusade is soon to follow the first one the granted permission extends to it automatically. Or, perhaps, there is some other chain of reasoning?
2. When the English crusade entered Bulgaria I had defeated the local rebels and was besieging their castle. Having granted the permission to the crusade to enter your lands you may expect two results: 1) (if you are of the same confession) the crusade will suck in your troops; 2) (if you are of a different confession) it will burglarize your treasury. But neither happened in my case. I was informed that "Bulgaria WAS ROBBED OF something about 900 florins" and my soldiers were not lured into the crusade. The two crusades spent quite a time in my lands but NO SOLDIERS OF MINE were involved. How do you like it? The reason for the last fact I explain by the low number of catholics in predominantly orthodox povinces. Am I right? But what about emptying the province's treasury? Perhaps, the fellow catholics didn't consider the province mine as the rebels still controlled the castle.
3.Having a desire to get rid of an heir I decided to send him on a suicidal mission to Turk-controlled Trebizond. Some turns before it the German crusade had tried to go in this direction but was repelled and settled for some time in Const. Soon it was joined by the English one and they evidently fell to carousing instead of pursuing thier goal. I moved my prince to Treb and hit "end of the turn". Then I saw that they moved in the same direction. Turks left the province and I was taken to the battle screen where I had to fight two crusading armies! My prince was successfully killed but I expected (and dreaded) an excom, a war with two faction and a fall-off of many allies. Nothing of the kind!!! My only enemy was the Turks while the crusades moved on (presumably to their goal). What a relief! What do you think of that?
Well, now I plan to capture Serbia from the Huns. This move has a two-fold purpose.
1. My king is 50 and the pope a couple of years younger, so even if I face an excom it won't last long.
2. It will be a foothold to start the Switzerland-aimed chevauchee I spoke about elsewhere. First of all, it it closer to the goal so I'll have to go through Croatia, Austria and Tyrolia to reach it. Even if the pope raises hue and cry and warns me to leave the Huns alone when I attack them in Croatia I will move on to HRE lands and wreak havoc there being undisturbed by the pope.
If anyone is still interested (after those lengthy ruminations) in what will happen next, inform me.

ferdi
07-24-2012, 16:27
first i like sicilians and find it easy in high because of grece and "C" . and in 10 years ı ussully settle on bulgaria and serbia. and then tech up tech up . :)

1 and 2 :
about crusades,; i dont like them and dont want to give them any soldier or a florin,
they ask for permission just once. if your land is not catholic it usually writes " crusade loose (or something like that) in that province and xxxx florins (1000-5000) are taken from u. if u dont want to loose more florin least army for the loyalty is the key. less army less loose.
i cant do their back forward moves but they can do this 20 years(i cant believe my eyes but they can do) they stole my army and broke my balance.

3-again the crusaders, :D . they wait wait but when u attack they'll attack. i hate this. (that is another reason why i dont like crusaders)
and they have bigger armies so they take the province . and as your example, if defenders are retreat u have to fight against them. that is normal

for excom., dont bother it so more if u are powerfull it is not a problem. and pope can dead :D .

for your swiss operatin; u need at least 2000 and 7 star comand.

good luck

Plato
07-26-2012, 01:03
Regarding Switzerland, what's wrong with plain old bribery?

Gilrandir
07-27-2012, 12:25
I believe Switzerland has a small garrison (it can't be large in an internal province). If you bribe this small garrison the alien province's loyalty is likely to drop and you can't train many units in a turn nor bring reinforcements to an isolated province. Besides, HRE will try to stamp out the lair of traitors. So I will need two stacks, I guess to start producing enough troops to hold the province until it is joined with the rest of the realm.

Hemant A
01-21-2013, 09:51
Boy, this is gonna be a long post..


haha you think this is long ?? check out mine !!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?47087-Pics-History-of-your-Empire/page50

BY the way very interesting bugs that cropped up in your version. Probably it's due to the defects in mods which people are doing to enhance the gaming experience.

My strategy is mainly fixed on a trade dominated campaign. Esp with the Pope supporting me. Iam using catholicism as my sword against the infidels. Particularly my wars against non catholic factions have garnered the admiration and respect of fellow crusading catholics {HRE, Brits, franks, spanish} . The crusades give you lots of troops but you must really decide on how to use religion to your advantage. Iam know clobbering the poles in my fighting retreat from Kiev. In 1235AD the poles will all but be eliminated......

Gilrandir
01-22-2013, 14:39
BY the way very interesting bugs that cropped up in your version. Probably it's due to the defects in mods which people are doing to enhance the gaming experience.

My strategy is mainly fixed on a trade dominated campaign. Esp with the Pope supporting me. Iam using catholicism as my sword against the infidels. Particularly my wars against non catholic factions have garnered the admiration and respect of fellow crusading catholics {HRE, Brits, franks, spanish} . The crusades give you lots of troops but you must really decide on how to use religion to your advantage. Iam know clobbering the poles in my fighting retreat from Kiev. In 1235AD the poles will all but be eliminated......
I don't have/play any mods, so the bugs (if bugs they are) are original.
As for your campaign plans, I wouldn't be so rash with the Poles. Judging from the year you are in, you are soon to have the Horde appearing. If I were you, I would leave the Poles as an airbag between you and the Mongols and see if the latter will try to attacks them (after Russians, of course). If they don't, do whatever you want with them. Playing the Sics it is prudent to stay beyond the Danube and watch the Horde wreak havoc at will up north. But I may be too late with my advice.

Hemant A
02-05-2013, 13:54
well attrition seems to be the most wisest key to defeat the horde.... with feudal sergeants from the italian mainland and pavise crossbowmen from constantinople forming the bulk of my armies i would say that the mongol stay in europe is going to be a short one. My chapter house is training a crusade to Kiev in 1240AD. it will go via papal states, venice, serbia. with an extended stay in non sicillian territories. this army should be more than enough to wipe the mongols off the face of the earth. I Expect to pope to reward me handsomely for this conquest. Not much in conquests is expected till 1250 AD but i can see ominous signs of an eventual tussle with the Spanish for european domination. The armada is busy occupyng all sea squares in the world. The Danes are ogling around in denmark. The English are also still celebrating their conquest of france. The germans and italians are fighting it out. HUngary remains strong and will protect my balkan possessions from being flanked by the mongols. .........

It is really tough playing as sicily because you have no special units to begin with. IT is a really difficult faction to play in MTW....

Gilrandir
02-07-2013, 16:42
I didn't find them that hard, but I started in high when they have somewhere to expand.

HUngary remains strong and will protect my balkan possessions from being flanked by the mongols. .........


I don't see any purpose in protecting flanks if you aim to establish yourself solidly in Kiev which is the first likely province for Mongols to attack.