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HoreTore
07-25-2012, 02:29
Catholic bishop convicted of covering up child abuse (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9350689/Monsignor-William-Lynn-becomes-first-US-priest-convicted-for-abuse-cover-up.html) in the US.
This is the proper way to deal with this issue. I'm happy tonight. One can only hope this case leads to several more.
Centurion1
07-25-2012, 06:01
And this is why everyone just rolls their eyes when you go on one of your holier than thou atheism crusades.... you WANT their to be more child rapings in the church?
They all get away with it here, not just the catholic church, also high government workers and possibly the Dutch and Belgian royal families
Strike For The South
07-25-2012, 06:19
And this is why everyone just rolls their eyes when you go on one of your holier than thou atheism crusades.... you WANT their to be more child rapings in the church?
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
He means bring the rest to justice, not MOAR BOY RAPEZ
And this is why everyone just rolls their eyes when you go on one of your holier than thou atheism crusades.... you WANT their to be more child rapings in the church?
What is this I don't even...
Dang you Strike!!
Centurion1
07-25-2012, 06:33
Reading comprehension is not your strong suit.
He means bring the rest to justice, not MOAR BOY RAPEZ
duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I like pissing off the viking.
duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I like pissing off the viking.
Don't you catholics have interesting ways of saying you like little boys
Strike For The South
07-25-2012, 06:41
duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I like pissing off the viking.
Don't backtrack now.
You're yellow.
Sarmatian
07-25-2012, 08:29
duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.
I like pissing off the viking.
That's not smart, he's got a big axe and a horned helmet.
That's not smart, he's got a big axe and a horned helmet.
They actually didn't have horned helmets and they preferred swords. It's still not sure how they felt about young boys though, but. Walhalla sounds a bit gay to me, or at least suspicious if you say it out loud
Stuff, like this, just one of the reasons why to believe in God, but not religion.
They actually didn't have horned helmets and they preferred swords. It's still not sure how they felt about young boys though, but. Walhalla sounds a bit gay to me, or at least suspicious if you say it out loud
:on_xd:
Luckily I was only drinking water, so not much of a mess.
I do my utmost best to be as offensive as possible
And this is why everyone just rolls their eyes when you go on one of your holier than thou atheism crusades.... you WANT their to be more child rapings in the church?
I think HoreTore actually means he would like to see more convictions of those who are already guilty so they are brought to justice, the fact they are part of the catholic church should not give them immunity. I think you misread the intentions of the post if you meant he would actually want to see more dreadful acts. :bow:
Centurion1
07-25-2012, 13:33
Don't backtrack now.
You're yellow.
Do you have anything to do besides post on an internet forum and have an inflated opinion of yourself?
Despite being Catholic this disgusts me as much as it does everyone else. It enrages me because it is so unethical and evil. In a way the child molestation bothers me less because I know that priests are not and never will be infllible and disgusting pieces of crap will always find a way in like any other profession. What disgusts me on a deeper level is that people will allow them to get away with it ala Joe Paterno sinc I can never imagine doing that even for the closest of friends or family.
HoreTore
07-25-2012, 13:40
I've been reading the bishops accountability (http://bishopaccountability.org/) website.
They have a section called "Files of the Bishops", where you can read internal documents of the church, discussing priests under suspicion of child abuse.
Quite disturbing stuff.
And I also dream of the day when other faiths come under the same scrutiny as the catholic church. I'm quite sure they're not alone, I bet you'll find much of the same with the lutherans, jews, muslims, etc.
Do you have anything to do besides post on an internet forum and have an inflated opinion of yourself?
Despite being Catholic this disgusts me as much as it does everyone else. It enrages me because it is so unethical and evil. In a way the child molestation bothers me less because I know that priests are not and never will be infllible and disgusting pieces of crap will always find a way in like any other profession. What disgusts me on a deeper level is that people will allow them to get away with it ala Joe Paterno sinc I can never imagine doing that even for the closest of friends or family.
You can't overly affiliate with an organisation without being held responsible for doing so, things don't work that way. It does not matter how disgusted you are with it, you are still part of it.
Centurion1
07-25-2012, 15:18
You can't overly affiliate with an organisation without being held responsible for doing so, things don't work that way. It does not matter how disgusted you are with it, you are still part of it.
:rolleyes: That is a completely asinine line of thought. Do you think every German citizen should have been put on trial for their leaders actions in WW2? Should you be put to death for the atrocities that the dutch visited upon the natives of the Congo and Indonesia since you were a member of the same nation as those men? Should you be denigrated and stand before a court for your soldiers actions at Srebrenica? They are also citizens of the Netherlands?
I think you know how foolish what you said was, I also think you don't care because you hate religion so much.
rory_20_uk
07-25-2012, 15:21
I've been reading the bishops accountability (http://bishopaccountability.org/) website.
They have a section called "Files of the Bishops", where you can read internal documents of the church, discussing priests under suspicion of child abuse.
Quite disturbing stuff.
And I also dream of the day when other faiths come under the same scrutiny as the catholic church. I'm quite sure they're not alone, I bet you'll find much of the same with the lutherans, jews, muslims, etc.
Other religions are more tolerant of allowing priests to marry.
The Catholic Church clearly places the whole edifice as dictated by Go whereas some other religions do not place the edifice in such high regard. Repeated hiding the fact is almost as bad as doing it. They are off to hell, I think we should expidite the journey.
~:smoking:
I've been reading the bishops accountability (http://bishopaccountability.org/) website.
They have a section called "Files of the Bishops", where you can read internal documents of the church, discussing priests under suspicion of child abuse.
Quite disturbing stuff.
And I also dream of the day when other faiths come under the same scrutiny as the catholic church. I'm quite sure they're not alone, I bet you'll find much of the same with the lutherans, jews, muslims, etc.
I don't normally agree with a fair amount of your posts, but I do with this. More scrutiny needs to placed on the religious communites about this sort of thing. It's disgusting that they get away with it.
HoreTore
07-25-2012, 15:33
Other religions are more tolerant of allowing priests to marry.
That's true, and you can make a case that this will cause more sexual abuse in the catholic church.
When it comes to covering it up, however, the other religions have the same reasons for doing it as the catholics. It's fair to assume that abuse has taken place in other religions as well, and so it's a fair assumption that they have also covered it up.
Strike For The South
07-25-2012, 15:35
Do you have anything to do besides post on an internet forum and have an inflated opinion of yourself?
No.
Despite being Catholic this disgusts me as much as it does everyone else. It enrages me because it is so unethical and evil. In a way the child molestation bothers me less because I know that priests are not and never will be infllible and disgusting pieces of crap will always find a way in like any other profession. What disgusts me on a deeper level is that people will allow them to get away with it ala Joe Paterno sinc I can never imagine doing that even for the closest of friends or family.
Coming out against child molestation. So brave.
That is a completely asinine line of thought. Do you think every German citizen should have been put on trial for their leaders actions in WW2? Should you be put to death for the atrocities that the dutch visited upon the natives of the Congo and Indonesia since you were a member of the same nation as those men? Should you be denigrated and stand before a court for your soldiers actions at Srebrenica? They are also citizens of the Netherlands?
The Belgians were in the Congo, not the Dutch.
:rolleyes: That is a completely asinine line of thought. Do you think every German citizen should have been put on trial for their leaders actions in WW2? Should you be put to death for the atrocities that the dutch visited upon the natives of the Congo and Indonesia since you were a member of the same nation as those men? Should you be denigrated and stand before a court for your soldiers actions at Srebrenica? They are also citizens of the Netherlands?
I think you know how foolish what you said was, I also think you don't care because you hate religion so much.
I have no respect for them there's a difference. About Sebrenica, feel free examine it it's much more complicated then you think. Dutch troops certainly weren't all that eager but there was a reason for that. Maybe Brenus can fill you in on things he was there.
Major Robert Dump
07-25-2012, 16:35
Maybe the church will reconsider some of the inappropriate alter boy outfits they have these boys wear. If you consider both sides of the story, some might argue that the victims were asking for it. The best outfit I think for alter boys to wear in the future in order to turn-off priests from assaulting them is perhaps something that makes the boy look like a female.
...The best outfit I think for alter boys to wear in the future in order to turn-off priests from assaulting them is perhaps something that makes the boy look like a female.
This might backfire as well...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/afganistans-dancing-boys-are-invisible-victims/2012/04/04/gIQAyreSwS_story.html
Major Robert Dump
07-25-2012, 20:34
I like the story of how there is a "rise" in dancing boys. That crap has been going on over there for so long, hidden behind closed doors, I would imagine the child sexual abuse over there is an absolute pandemic, we just don't ever hear about it because it is a closed society and they have differing definitions of immoral behavior, i.e. the guys who rape the boys don't consider themselves homosexuals. This gives me a good idea for a depressing thread
Frontline did an entire episode about the dancing boys (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/dancingboys/). Took me weeks to stop hating humanity after watching it.
Still kinda ashamed of my species.
Major Robert Dump
07-25-2012, 20:47
It is not uncommon for an ANP, ANA, ABP or AUP compound to have, amongst its contigency of guards and civil servant, uniformed teenage boys who do not carry weapons and serve as handmaidens of sorts, cleaning weapons and serving chai.
We called them chai boys. They were typically teenage boys with fair skin, feminine features and small statures. Many of them wore eye liner and had painted fingernails. Rumor was that most of them used to be dancing boys. Rumor also had it that young men who were not fit for duty but wanted to join the force (or perhaps were singled out as being pretty) were basically put in a quid pro quo situation where the only way they could join "the force" was to service those in charge and prove their worth.
The ANP chief in the Sayeed Kareem district of Paktya said that his predecessor would allow his officers younger brothers to join the team after bringing the boys to a party and gang raping them. We were talking about this because he was pointing out some of his less effective, problem soldiers, and he explained that they were former chai boys and he could not bring himself to fire them because they had no where else to go, so he used them as second line defenses in district centers.
Papewaio
07-25-2012, 21:57
Well the Greeks are unemployed maybe they can turn the Chai soldiers into Spartans...
Well the Greeks are unemployed maybe they can turn the Chai soldiers into Spartans...
Yes, Spartan certainly beats Chai Boy on the resume.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
07-25-2012, 23:50
I've been reading the bishops accountability (http://bishopaccountability.org/) website.
They have a section called "Files of the Bishops", where you can read internal documents of the church, discussing priests under suspicion of child abuse.
Quite disturbing stuff.
And I also dream of the day when other faiths come under the same scrutiny as the catholic church. I'm quite sure they're not alone, I bet you'll find much of the same with the lutherans, jews, muslims, etc.
Low, he moves from reasonable to baiting, and it took fifteen posts!
Kudos, remarkable restraint.
Now, learn some theology:
All Sin is equal in the eyes of God, and the Roman Church teaches that is is sinful for priests who have taken a vow of celibacy to engage in sexual relations. That's it, end of statement. The position has since been nuanced but until quite recently masturbation, consensual sex with a woman you love, homosexuality, and child rape were not properly differentiated in the confessional.
When all sexual desire becomes illicit, then all sexual acts are taboo and breaking one taboo is the same as breaking all of them.
The solution is allowing priests to marry, and if you don't agree with homosexuality you then CANNOT allow homosexuals to become priests.
Major Robert Dump
07-25-2012, 23:54
A Priest having sex with males does not make him homosexual. It was just a thang, baby.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
07-25-2012, 23:57
That's true, and you can make a case that this will cause more sexual abuse in the catholic church.
When it comes to covering it up, however, the other religions have the same reasons for doing it as the catholics. It's fair to assume that abuse has taken place in other religions as well, and so it's a fair assumption that they have also covered it up.
I missed this.
You know what, you're right!
http://nehandaradio.com/2011/12/09/anglican-priest-convicted-of-raping-13-year-old/
Look how bad the Africans are at covering these things up!
They're giving the Anglican Illuminati a bad name!
It took less than 60 seconds to find that.
Want to bet I can dig up the last few cases in the UK where the priest was caught, and not 20 years later?
This problem exists in ALL "respected" professions, including education. The current strenuous efforts to keep covering it up are, however, peculiar to one Church.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
07-25-2012, 23:57
A Priest having sex with males does not make him homosexual. It was just a thang, baby.
The Roman Church recognises "homosexuality" as a practice, not an "orientation.
All Sin is equal in the eyes of God
Are you sure that's doctrine? Sounds wonky to me.
So if I'm rude to my mom, that's exactly as sinful to God as if ethnically cleanse an entire nation?
Or if I take the Lord's name in vain after hitting my head, that's exactly as bad in God's eyes as if I create a rape camp?
I have a feeling there's more to Catholic doctrine than you're letting on.
Major Robert Dump
07-26-2012, 00:11
The Roman Church recognises "homosexuality" as a practice, not an "orientation.
Well one wouldn't need to practice if one had recieved a proper orientation.
I think if I were going to be a gay priest I would just find another gay priest TBH, seems like it would be so easier, because teenage boys are, like, so immature
HoreTore
07-26-2012, 00:18
Nvm.
Major Robert Dump
07-26-2012, 00:58
Me too, NM whatever you were NM about
HoreTore
07-26-2012, 01:02
Me too, NM whatever you were NM about
Well, it had nothing to do with your post, MRD ~;)
It was just me making a post I felt was irrelevant, and me not figuring that out until after I had posted...
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
07-26-2012, 01:02
Are you sure that's doctrine? Sounds wonky to me.
So if I'm rude to my mom, that's exactly as sinful to God as if ethnically cleanse an entire nation?
Or if I take the Lord's name in vain after hitting my head, that's exactly as bad in God's eyes as if I create a rape camp?
I have a feeling there's more to Catholic doctrine than you're letting on.
Yes
People get confused because of Purgatory, but that's just punishment - eventually you get into heaven, it's a forgone conclusion.
Sin is disobedience to God - all Sin, any Sin, sends you straight to Hell unless you repent.
Christianity is a harsh religion.
MRD's question is apt, because such issues have been raised.
The answer, FYI, is probably Thursday for Catholics and Saturday or really early Sunday morning for Protestants.
PanzerJaeger
07-26-2012, 02:21
Well one wouldn't need to practice if one had recieved a proper orientation.
I think if I were going to be a gay priest I would just find another gay priest TBH, seems like it would be so easier, because teenage boys are, like, so immature
Err... there is a big difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. Pedos become priests to prey on children.
HoreTore
07-26-2012, 02:34
Err... there is a big difference between homosexuality and pedophilia. Pedos become priests to prey on children.
A lot of the abuse happened to girls (http://www.bishop-accountability.org/docs/portland_me/deceased_priests_girardin_R.pdf) as well.
They seem to have been forgotten in the media coverage though.
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