View Full Version : Doctor Willenloss and his splendid invention, or... [Concluded]
Diana Abnoba
09-07-2012, 23:48
And if you truly had the time machine power you would already know that robbiecon, unless if you really are Igor, then you plan to let the mafia have use of it. Either way that post sealed my vote to you to stay.
robbiecon
09-07-2012, 23:55
Oh, I can use the time machine. I can also use the coffee machine, if anyone is interested.
unvote, vote: robbiecon. I'm sorry Monty, but I cannot see that the (small) benefits of working with a SK outweigh the risk they pose as a wild card.
Also, confirming that I will scan Chaotix tonight.
Diana Abnoba
09-07-2012, 23:59
:laugh4::laugh4: Good then can you get me a cup before you die. :clown:
Maybe someone could double up on Chaotix? I imagine he'd be able to dodge a singular scan, especially since he was so reluctant to reveal his role. Just the feel I'm getting anyway.
I just think it'd be better to get a few results that we can trust rather than lots of clouded ones.
Not changing my vote for now, in order to make SK victory a real possibility robbiecon would probably have some insane time machine abilities or something, I'd say scan before trying to lynch him should we end up regretting it later. His premature role confession is suspect.
Montmorency
09-08-2012, 00:16
That's the idea. For now, this should be set. We have time to go through others later.
The key to a strong network is to always be expanding the roster of cleared names.
Referring to Chaotix specifically, he is supposed to be in a doctor chain with Arjos. Two actions should be enough to pinpoint.
Well I was questioning the usefulness of blocking him tonight, but if you can establish a cause-and-effect chain as a result of his none action then that should work out well then.
Although, amongst those you've assigned, some of them will probably disobey, since not everyone is telling the complete truth of course. Which gives all the more reason for concentrations on night actions on a select few I'd say.
That's the idea. For now, this should be set. We have time to go through others later.
The key to a strong network is to always be expanding the roster of cleared names.
Referring to Chaotix specifically, he is supposed to be in a doctor chain with Arjos. Two actions should be enough to pinpoint.
Your doctor chain is not going to work. In both of our role PMs: there are some circumstances in which it may not work.
An unbreakable doctor chain is too overpowered for a game like this. One or both of us will fail the protect, even if we try to do it. I'd bet 1 million Vietnamese dongs on it.
As for robbiecon - is he claiming to be the killer from both Night 1 and rewinded Night 2? Both of those kills involved choking from behind, so I had assumed it was the same guy. In which case... I don't know, Igor is supposed to be handsome then?
It makes no sense for him to claim SK and be lying about it, but something just seems off about this whole thing.
Vote: robbiecon
Montmorency
09-08-2012, 00:52
Well I was questioning the usefulness of blocking him tonight
Oh no, that was changed. I'm having him scanned.
Your doctor chain is not going to work. In both of our role PMs: there are some circumstances in which it may not work.
I wanted to see how it would go. I suppose there is a better arrangement, however. You think you can only protect women? Protect Adele.
Arjos: Tell me whom you've protected.
Ishmael: Whom have you scanned so far?
As for robbiecon - is he claiming to be the killer from both Night 1 and rewinded Night 2?
He didn't claim such a thing. Only I can rewind.
Igor is, well - damaged.
THESE ARE THE FINAL ORDERS FOR TONIGHT:
DaveShack: Claim. Include name.
Askthepizzaguy: Protect me.
DianaAbnoba: Scan Ironside
edse : Track Daveshack.
Ishmael: Scan Chaotix
Chaotix: Protect ATPG
Arjos: Protect Chaotix
BSmith: Watch Daveshack.
NinjaCow64: Block Ironside.
Brickfaced: Stay put.
Edse: Whom did you track N1?
robbiecon
09-08-2012, 01:21
6976
Here you go Diana :p (Apologies about the drool)
Vote: robbiecon
So far I've protected BSmith and Diana in that order...
NinjaCow64
09-08-2012, 03:09
I will block that Iron man tonight professor! *salute*
Askthepizzaguy
09-08-2012, 06:29
Why do I get to be protected by the guy I was certain was scum 24 hours ago?
Why do I get to have all the "fun".
Regardless, my role is to die in service of protecting Willenloss anyway; it seems odd to protect me in the first place. My role is essentially to die.
Should I be roleblocked, the Doctor is vulnerable.
I would request that Chaotix at least be given the option to protect either myself or Monty tonight, of his own judgment. I'd feel a lot better about this if the open vulnerabilities weren't so exploitable by a mafia team that simply needs to block certain roles and kill with impudence.
At least a bad move in blindfold chess might win; here, our mistakes are being made known clear as day.
Montmorency
09-08-2012, 07:05
There are two claimed blockers. One of them claims a severely restricted one-time use. One claims a free block. If there's a lying player who is a blocker besides one of these, we'll wink him out soon enough with the Sherlock duo.
If I die, I can still direct stuff. My secondary power is only useful for saving my own butt, and the primary probably won't recharge before the game ends.
My survival is not imperative in this circumstance.
NinjaCow64
09-08-2012, 07:44
Rereading my role PM, I noticed that next to the word roleblocker in brackets are the words "Night Watch". I think a dead person had this next to their name as well. That might be useful or could just be pure flavouring. I dunno.
Edse: Whom did you track N1?
I can only use it three times so I decided to not track anyone night 1.
Ishmael: Whom have you scanned so far?
I scanned Ninjacow N1 (roleblocker), and Montmorency N2 (unclear).
Askthepizzaguy
09-08-2012, 15:27
Unclear?
I guess he's not a traditional role.
I may not be around when day ends. But it ends according to the schedule.
If you know what you want to do, you may send night orders in advance
Askthepizzaguy
09-08-2012, 15:51
I may not be around when day ends. But it ends according to the schedule.
If you know what you want to do, you may send night orders in advance
This. If you're having trouble, say, forgetting to vote in certain games, please send in orders now. :stare:
Otherwise I show you no leg. Conquer these worthless scums, we must.
Otherwise I show you no leg.
B-But! Those glorious gams! None at all?
Montmorency
09-08-2012, 18:58
I really would like order acknowledgments from a few people, viz. Ishmael, BSmith (?) and Arjos.
Askthepizzaguy
09-08-2012, 18:59
B-But!
No butt either. You can't have-a the mango.
Tally:
Robbiecon: Ninjacow, , BSmith, ATPG, Edse, Diana Abnoba, Ishmael, Chaotix, Arjos
Daveshack: Brickfaced, Montmorency, Robbiecon
Robbiecon lynched. He was Igor.
Night 2 begins
I really would like order acknowledgments from a few people, viz. Ishmael, BSmith (?) and Arjos.
Also, confirming that I will scan Chaotix tonight.
No changes to the plan, I presume? (although if there are I may not go along with them, as I think Chaotix is a good choice of scan target).
Watching DaveShack tonight.
Sent mine ye of little faith XD
Askthepizzaguy
09-09-2012, 16:45
Don't be knocking those with little faith, now.
I may not be a dyed-in-the-wood communist but I share the whole non-religion thing.
Ok fair enough I might be a dyed in the wool communist. I wanted the universal healthcare. Yeah I think food should be an inalienable right.
OH :daisy:
OH EMPTY VOID WHERE OUR PRAYERS GO TO DIE
PLEASE DON'T KILL ME I"M NOT A MURDERER
I AM A TOWNIEEEEEE
Askthepizzaguy
09-09-2012, 16:50
This is one of those games where my actual politics and my in game politics don't get along.
AHEM
I love being obligated to pay car insurance companies for for-profit policies they use half of my premium for advertising and bonuses.
I loooove being obligated now to pay profit-based organizations for health insurance.
Can't afford health care? Pay for it anyway, PLUS profits to the middleman! PROBLEM SOLVED
I love the concept of gratuity! You can simply decide not to pay poor people for their work!
IM A YANKEE DOODLE DANDY I'M A VERY SARCASTIC PIZZAGUY
Due to personal reasons (important guest from abroad) night would be extended, and probably next day also. Everything would be announced if possible, and you will get at least 24 hours for every phase
Askthepizzaguy
09-09-2012, 17:23
Important broad prompts nighttime extension. Got it.
Montmorency
09-09-2012, 20:04
I think we're even now, Pizza.
NinjaCow64
09-09-2012, 22:32
This is one of those games where my actual politics and my in game politics don't get along.
AHEM
I love being obligated to pay car insurance companies for for-profit policies they use half of my premium for advertising and bonuses.
I loooove being obligated now to pay profit-based organizations for health insurance.
Can't afford health care? Pay for it anyway, PLUS profits to the middleman! PROBLEM SOLVED
I love the concept of gratuity! You can simply decide not to pay poor people for their work!
IM A YANKEE DOODLE DANDY I'M A VERY SARCASTIC PIZZAGUY
Not sure if Democract, or just Republican.
End of night
Edse was killed. He was Michael Connely
Sorry, but no longer update for now.
Day 3 begins
Time to midday:
Time to end of day 3:
Montmorency
09-09-2012, 23:33
The tracker is dead. It was expected. It is evidence against Daveshack. But do not vote - merely report. I need the details.
DaveShack is rather handsome. Stayed at home, but was visited by a really handsome man.
So many handsome men around!!!!
Montmorency
09-10-2012, 01:20
In 1950s America, there is nothing innocuous about a handsome man visiting another handsome (single) man's home in the dead of night.
If Dave stayed at home, then it's merely a diversion and reflects poorly on certain individuals who shall go unnamed at this stage.
I'd like to hear from Ishmael, then.
Brickfaced, describe the condition of your ability now, please.
Pizza, confirm again that you can't protect anyone other than me.
If we can get a scum today, pinpointing the other will become trivial.
Chaotix scanned as a bodyguard.
Also, I'm starting to lose track of all these night actions - who else visited Daveshack?
Montmorency
09-10-2012, 02:53
Edse, the tracker. His death is significant, for several reasons. I can't really say more than this out here.
Here are some things to note now.
Pizza should reply to that ASAP.
Chaotix is a bodyguard, which is what Pizza's role sounds like - "death upon successful protection against attack". Could be a case of doubling. Could be one other thing.
BSmith claims edse and Dave are handsome, and that Dave did nothing that night. Assume BSmith tell the truth. Either Dave is a scum lying low or a townie. DaveShack: Once and for all, do you have an ability?
We need to hear from NinjaCow. Unless he is lying, Ironside was blocked. That would definitively rule out Ironside-Daveshack as a pairing.
We need Brickfaced to give us the details of his roleblocking ability.
Diana needs to tell us whether Dave comes up as Mike, the only remaining unclaimed name.
Arjos & Chaotix: anything to report?
Ishmael andBSmith's results seem legitimate, as far as I can tell.
Diana Abnoba
09-10-2012, 04:33
@ Monty
You told me to go back to your original order to scan Ironside. This was in your last list of night actions for everyone. So I sent orders to scan Ironside, (will scan DaveShack tonight). Either way, I was roleblock last night, so I have no other results to give. I think this make Ironside more suspect right now then DaveShack. I say lynch Ironside today and then DaveShack tomorrow.
Montmorency
09-10-2012, 04:43
You told me to go back to your original order to scan Ironside. This was in your last list of night actions for everyone. So I sent orders to scan Ironside, (will scan DaveShack tonight). Either way, I was roleblock last night, so I have no other results to give. I think this make Ironside more suspect right now then DaveShack. I say lynch Ironside today and then DaveShack tomorrow.
Aha - thank you. Daveshack did nothing wrong, so it's fine to leave him be for tonight. Don't scan him. At least, don't fix yourself to scan him tonight, not just yet.
We should lynch Ironside.
On the other hand - Vote: Brickfaced
What the hell are you?
We know that one scum killed edse, while the other blocked Diana.
Ironside, Brickfaced, and Ninjacow are all persons of interest here.
Diana Abnoba
09-10-2012, 05:00
Vote: Ironside I think he is the most scummy right now.
Montmorency
09-10-2012, 05:22
This was meant to be a private note, sorry.
Askthepizzaguy
09-10-2012, 06:35
I'll contribute to this investigation with a vote on NinjaCow, putting all three of Monty's persons of interest into play.
Vote: ninjacow
I can only protect the person I love, it seems. After you asked, I double-checked with the game host.
I'm less powerful than I thought. Pretty much if I protect someone else, it won't work.
Askthepizzaguy
09-10-2012, 06:37
Dave could have been lying low or he could have been a victim of a frame attempt, or frankly, the scums went after a dangerous role regardless of his target.
It's difficult to tell anything from the kill target.
Askthepizzaguy
09-10-2012, 06:43
Ironside being blocked and knowing he was going to be blocked does not remove him from suspicion. Commonly another mafioso can simply kill in his place.
Being publicly blocked is *slightly* evidence in his favor, because it means he wasn't the murdering commie last night, BUT it does not remove him from suspicion.
Of the three candidates, he's the weakest. But he's not cleared at all.
Successful protection, but ATPG was not attacked.
I don't think I am supposed to die when protecting someone. At least it doesn't say so in my role PM.
Vote: Ironside
Arjos has been lurking a lot lately. I would keep an eye on him too.
NinjaCow64
09-10-2012, 07:58
Ironside was roleblocked by yours truly, so he didn't send in a nightkill order then. Yeah.
Ironside was roleblocked by yours truly, so he didn't send in a nightkill order then. Yeah.
Oh. Not paying attention.
Unvote, Vote: DaveShack
Montmorency
09-10-2012, 08:24
Daveshack did nothing. He was watched.
Ask Jarema whether you will die during protection, then. That's very interesting. Certainly, there should be no other restriction to your protection.
Here's an exercise: If Ninja is not scum, then Iron must be innocent. We know that two scum actions went through, so if Iron was blocked he is innocent. Period. If these two are clear, then Brickfaced comes under scrutiny as a roleblocker with an ambiguous claim. So ambiguous, in fact, that he was able to waive night action. Brick needs to speak up very soon, or I will push for his lynch outright.
Ironside: Did you receive a block notification?
Arjos & Chaotix: anything to report?
Same message as the previous nights, there was no attack...
Ironside
09-10-2012, 09:21
Ironside: Did you receive a block notification?
Nope. I'm guessing that it had to do with me doing nothing, since I didn't think about trying to time jump to see if it was blocked as it should. Activly testing the roleblocker, that's an idea to remember.
Montmorency
09-11-2012, 01:01
At this stage, please take notice that Brickfaced is to be lynched.
Looks like I picked a good time to show up. :rolleyes:
The condition of my one-time role blocking ability is that, as an attractive female, I can only roleblock a male character.
I'm sure you can appreciate why I didn't specify this before since it would have made me a likely murder choice of a male mafia player, which since I haven't made use of my ability yet, would seem like a waste for town.
Can blockers/watchers all confirm that there abilities have no loopholes? With mafia knowing our plans (since they are public) ANY loopholes can and will be exploited by them to misdirect town, I'll look over the few suspects that are still around and give my verdict, assuming any of you trust me at all. :bow:
Montmorency
09-11-2012, 02:04
I'm sure you can appreciate why I didn't specify this before since it would have made me a likely murder choice of a male mafia player, which since I haven't made use of my ability yet, would seem like a waste for town.
Why would a semi-bulletproof be concerned about NKs? You haven't revealed the condition for it.
Leaving that aside, a limited roleblock on half the player-base is not something that would drive the Mafia nuts. Why would Mafia see a restricted roleblocker as more dangerous than a full one?
Furthermore, Diana claims to have been blocked.
Your position is shaky. It don't make no sense.
Need I remind you how the other bulletproof-claimant turned out?
Why would a semi-bulletproof be concerned about NKs? You haven't revealed the condition for it.
I probably should have just been upfront in the first place, but I don't actually have the night time protection I claimed.
I claimed I had it to deter people attempting to NK me, plus at the time, I wasn't sure if I trusted you 100%.
Of course, I could have just told you that I have NK immunity from females but not males and it would have made sense (mostly), but there is really no point in me lying about it.
Feel free to watch/scan/whatever me if you don't choose to lynch me, and then you'll see.
Leaving that aside, a limited roleblock on half the player-base is not something that would drive the Mafia nuts. Why would Mafia see a restricted roleblocker as more dangerous than a full one?
Furthermore, Diana claims to have been blocked.
Not more dangerous, but by specifying I can target only males, I'd imagine it would make any male-aligned character much more weary of me. I simply put steps into place to try and preserve my life until my ability has been used, to try and utilize the abilities we have.
As the guy running the shots (or so to speak), Could you quickly surmise who you haven't heard a result from in regards to their night actions? And what results almost certainly exempt certain players from suspicion? Then I can cast my vote via process of elimination, or on your terms if you wish.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ironside claimed to have no other ability other than time machine, when every other assistant has some kind of ability, every other player in the game in fact. And now Diana was blocked whilst trying to scan him...and you claim that I look scummy? Of course he wouldn't have done anything tonight, he knew he was being watched. And I see no reason why we wouldn't have had 2 kills instead otherwise.
It probably looks suspicious zoning in on a lone player like this, but I'm merely illustrating the fragility your assumption of his innocence is based upon.
Furthermore, any combination of mafia interventions could have been made to incriminate any player, we don't know what they are able to utilize. You have to find equilibrium, especially since a runaway bandwagon could be irreversible if new information comes to light in the round.
Montmorency
09-11-2012, 02:41
I wasn't sure if I trusted you 100%.
:laugh4:
Correct me if I'm wrong, but Ironside claimed to have no other ability other than time machine, when every other assistant has some kind of ability, every other player in the game in fact. And now Diana was blocked whilst trying to scan him...and you claim that I look scummy? Of course he wouldn't have done anything tonight, he knew he was being watched. And I see no reason why we wouldn't have had 2 kills instead otherwise.
If Diana tells the truth about being blocked, it indicates that both scum sent in an action. If both scum sent in an action, and Ninjacow is not lying about having blocked Ironside, then Ironside can by no means be scum.
If Ninja is lying, he might or might not be partnered with
The Diana block is very likely a bit of misdirection. The case against Ironside is not clear-cut.
We didn't have two kills because Igor is dead. I wonder whether I should count this as typical townie ignorance?
:laugh4:
If Diana tells the truth about being blocked, it indicates that both scum sent in an action. If both scum sent in an action, and Ninjacow is not lying about having blocked Ironside, then Ironside can by no means be scum.
If Ninja is lying, he might or might not be partnered with
The Diana block is very likely a bit of misdirection. The case against Ironside is not clear-cut.
We didn't have two kills because Igor is dead. I wonder whether I should count this as typical townie ignorance?
Perhaps I wasn't keeping up with the game 110%, but at the time of role confession, I didn't know for certain you were innocent, Chaotix spent long enough being against the idea, I had my own reservations (but more in regards to just you), but made them in a more discreet way.
In a game where every townie (except Ironside, mysteriously) has a pro-town ability, it would be quite base to assume that mafia can only send 1 action / 1 type of action every night.
I'd hardly call it 'typical townie ignorance', we haven't passed enough rounds since the time-rewind to establish a consistent pattern of NK's, there could still be more than 1 source of NK around. You're assuming to much and being ignorant yourself in the process.
To move the topic on to something more productive, aside from Ironside it is perfectly feasible Ninjacow is lying as well, and again, please do tell me if I'm incorrect, but Diana could just be claiming to have been blocked, when really she doesn't have the power she says she has, and is going around killing us off instead.
Your case against me assumes both Diana & Ninjacow are telling the absolute truth, at this point in the game, trusting both of them is highly likely to get town killed.
Anyway, I'm getting some shut eye for now but will return to vote when I wake up.
I very much hope some people do some voting/post analysis' whilst I'm gone, any additional information to back up the suspicions we have of 1 of many players (myself included) can only be helpful, provided its made without personal bias (otherwise you'll just see what you want to see, clouded judgement is not pro-town, its reckless).
Montmorency
09-11-2012, 03:16
In a game where every townie (except Ironside, mysteriously) has a pro-town ability,
We don't know what Daveshack has going on.
Yet BSmith claimed that he stayed home tonight, so unless he's lying as well...
I'd hardly call it 'typical townie ignorance', we haven't passed enough rounds since the time-rewind to establish a consistent pattern of NK's
He admitted to being an SK.
that mafia can only send 1 action / 1 type of action every night.
That's typically how it works. Choose either between killing or your personal ability.
To move the topic on to something more productive, aside from Ironside it is perfectly feasible Ninjacow is lying as well, and again, please do tell me if I'm incorrect, but Diana could just be claiming to have been blocked, when really she doesn't have the power she says she has, and is going around killing us off instead.
The trick is to find out the liar. Right now, you're not looking to good.
Askthepizzaguy
09-11-2012, 04:17
That whole exchange was as good as a confession, to me.
The ability doesn't make sense, and the defense is pretty shaky.
Unvote, vote: Brickfaced
NinjaCow64
09-11-2012, 08:15
I agree with ATPG. Vote: Brickfaced
There is another possiblity in everything. Diana could by lying about being blocked to confuse the town. Just saying.
He admitted to being an SK.
That doesn't exclude the possibility of another NK kill source.
That's typically how it works. Choose either between killing or your personal ability.
Because this game has such a conventional format :juggle2:
If you'd actually had me utilise my role blocking ability last night, we might actually be in a less confusing situation, but instead of having me use it, you'd rather all kill me instead...joys.
vote: Ironside
To be honest, I'd probably not even put him as my top candidate (even though I don't trust him) but its pointless voting for someone with no votes behind, not that it should matter much since my head is clearly on the block here...
Otherwise I'd vote for Diana, even her earlier posts look shaky IMO, but its pointless wasting my time analyzing etc, because it won't change any of your minds. :shrug:
Assuming I am lynched, and I turn out to be town (although you won't know since Jarema won't tell you straight away) what exactly have we established? What is your plan for tomorrow's night actions to root out the mafia? Night is 24 hours so we need to make sure everyone knows what they are doing before it starts.
@ATPG.
It was a little white lie, that I did not need to even own up to. But I chose to. I didn't realise a little white lie to try and protect town interests equated to a confession of being scum. You were adamant Chaotix was scum and look how your views on that turned out... :rolleyes:
Unvote, Vote: Brickfaced
Too many suspects
Vote: Brickfaced
Also Monty, please start making a new set of orders.
Ninja at least needs to be checked out...
Montmorency
09-11-2012, 18:51
That doesn't exclude the possibility of another NK kill source.
One that hasn't killed on four opportunities?
I'm not going to agonize over whether there is a one-shot killer or not, Mac.
If you'd actually had me utilise my role blocking ability last night, we might actually be in a less confusing situation, but instead of having me use it, you'd rather all kill me instead...joys.
You refused to reveal the condition of its use. I respected that.
If your death is shown to be a poor one, rest assured that it will not have been in vain. If I feel like you weren't scum, I'll just revive you. :wink:
Night 3' Orders:
Ironside: It's time for travel
Arjos: Protect Ishmael or Chaotix, preferably Ishmael
Chaotix: Protect BSmith
DiAnaAbnoba: I'd prefer you to scan Daveshack though you may scananyone other than Ironside should you be inclined
NinjaCow64: I'd prefer you to block Daveshack, though you may block anyone other than Ironside should you be inclined
Ishmael: Scan Daveshack
Askthepizzaguy: Protect Montmorency
BSmith: Watch Arjos or Ishmael, preferably Arjos
I wonder whether Ishmael and Arjos can endure some investigation soon as well. They've been skirting by.
Chaotix and Pizza, why are you and everyone else so subdued lately?
Chaotix and Pizza, why are you and everyone else so subdued lately?
Don't know about ATPG, but I just moved back to college this past Saturday and have been settling into the motions, having more a social life, spending less time on the Org, etc.
Still around for modding duty, but expect to see less action from me in games.
Mid-day update:
Brickfaced: Montmorency, BSmith, ATPG, NinjaCow, Chaotix, Arjos
Ironside: Diana Abnoba, Brickfaced
sorry for a lack of description (another time) but organizing conference, and especially taking care of guest from abroad is really time-consumming
vote: Brickfaced. I'll run with the town on this one, and the case sounds about right.
Confirming that I will scan Daveshack.
NinjaCow64
09-11-2012, 22:02
I'll roleblock DaveShack tonight, professor!
@monty
You can revive people? Sounds like you haven't been 100% forward with your role either. ~:handball:
But its all good, some good guys have to die to find out whose bad, I get that.
Why are you sending Ironside (presumably) forward in time, surely this will protect him, if he turns out to be mafia, this is a terrible idea is it not?
Merely trying to establish your intentions Professor. :rolleyes:
Montmorency
09-12-2012, 00:45
You can revive people? Sounds like you haven't been 100% forward with your role either.
You know, I revived three individuals just yesterday. What do you want from me?
Why are you sending Ironside (presumably) forward in time, surely this will protect him, if he turns out to be mafia, this is a terrible idea is it not?
Protect him? With my aid, not only that. If he's succeeded come morning tomorrow, it will be safe to describe the goal I have in mind.
You know, I revived three individuals just yesterday. What do you want from me?
Fair point, I just categorized that ability as 'time rewind' in my head, and didn't actually associate the action with the consequence, my bad... :creep:
Protect him? With my aid, not only that. If he's succeeded come morning tomorrow, it will be safe to describe the goal I have in mind.
You have a very entertaining role.
Askthepizzaguy
09-12-2012, 06:50
Must be frustrating as all heck for the scum to have to deal with a mass-reviver role.
If town doesn't win this game as a massive curb-stomp I am going to be surprised. :cool:
Must be frustrating as all heck for the scum to have to deal with a mass-reviver role.
If town doesn't win this game as a massive curb-stomp I am going to be surprised. :cool:
I direct you to the appropriate Tv Tropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TemptingFate) article.
Askthepizzaguy
09-12-2012, 07:31
I direct you to the appropriate Tv Tropes (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/TemptingFate) article.
I drop my pantaloons and wave my big fat willy in the direction of Fate. WE'VE GOT A TIME MACHINE.
Mafia = losers.
Ironside
09-12-2012, 08:46
Protect him? With my aid, not only that. If he's succeeded come morning tomorrow, it will be safe to describe the goal I have in mind.
Interesting. Side effect of multiple users? I don't mind, since I will follow your order anyway, but I'm curious now. Or is it know it when you see it?
Ironside
09-12-2012, 08:46
And since I forgot.
Vote: Brickfaced
Montmorency
09-12-2012, 11:06
I'm not going anywhere; I'm just 'boosting' your departure, so to say.
As for multiple users, well, it's unlikely that I, much less Dave or Arjos, will ever have to go. At the least though, it seems the risk is reduced if departures are separated by one round.
Day 3'
Brickfaced: Montmorency, BSmith, ATPG, NinjaCow, Chaotix, Ishmael, Ironside
Ironside: Diana Abnoba, Brickfaced
Brickfaced was lynched. She was Jane, one of the doctor's assistants.
Also, it is evident now that Igor was in fact Immanuel Willenloss, one of the doctor's sons, working also as his assistant. It is unclear if he was a good person or a bad one.
You can also notice that at this moment time reached further than before reversing. It may be important for some of you
List of living players
1.
2. Montmorency
3. Arjos
4. BSmith, Eva Znanetzky
5. Chaotix
6.
7. Ishmael
8. NinjaCow, William Lane
9. DaveShack
10.
11. Askthepizzaguy
12. Diana Abnoba
13.
14.
15. Ironside
Dead players
Xenoneb, Martha Burghes. Policewoman. Allegiance: town
Nightbringer, Ann Pferd. Role-scanner. Allegiance: town
Robbiecon: Immanuel Willenloss (known as Igor). Allegiance: not clear
Edse, Michael Connely.
Brickfaced, Jane.
Night 3 begins
Askthepizzaguy
09-13-2012, 02:03
Ironside: It's time for travel
Arjos: Protect Ishmael or Chaotix, preferably Ishmael
Chaotix: Protect BSmith
DianaAbnoba: I'd prefer you to scan Daveshack though you may scan anyone other than Ironside should you be inclined
NinjaCow64: I'd prefer you to block Daveshack, though you may block anyone other than Ironside should you be inclined
Ishmael: Scan Daveshack
Askthepizzaguy: Protect Montmorency
BSmith: Watch Arjos or Ishmael, preferably Arjos
My action is pretty much a no brainer, but if you have two other protectors, I'd recommend you double up on protection. Otherwise a simple roleblock by a scumbag negates such a protection and they can otherwise kill whoever they want tonight.
It would be a good idea for Arjos to protect BSmith or Monty, so the protection has a guarantee of working. Or vice-versa.'
edit- just realized we can't double up on Chaotix. facepalm
So, which order for me? Ishmael, Chaotix or Monty?
Montmorency
09-13-2012, 07:15
Protect Ishmael or Chaotix, preferably Ishmael
Gotcha, confirming for the protection on Ishmael...
aww. I'm dead. ~:mecry:
</3
William Lane was doing his job. In fact, he liked it. But, unfortunately, someone killed him.
NinjaCow was William Lane.
Other news: Edse was Michael Connely. He was a tracker, and a good townie
Something else: it seems that Ironside dissapeared.
Day 4 begins
1.
2. Montmorency
3. Arjos
4. BSmith, Eva Znanetzky
5. Chaotix
6.
7. Ishmael
8.
9. DaveShack
10.
11. Askthepizzaguy
12. Diana Abnoba
13.
14.
15. Ironside
Dead players
Xenoneb, Martha Burghes. Policewoman. Allegiance: town
Nightbringer, Ann Pferd. Role-scanner. Allegiance: town
Robbiecon: Immanuel Willenloss (known as Igor). Allegiance: not clear
Edse, Michael Connely. Tracker. Allegiance: Town
Brickfaced, Jane.
NinjaCow, William Lane
Arjos wasn't at home last night.
Askthepizzaguy
09-14-2012, 16:13
Not particularly telling, as he claims to have a protection action.
I see that BSmith and Monty and even Chaotix all survived the night.
I really gotta wonder why that is. Not even an attempt to hit any of them?
I get that there was a possibility that BSmith or Monty were double-protected, but Chaotix, claimed doctor, is essentially flapping in the wind, and he's not dead.
My guess is, if Chaotix is innocent, the roleblocker was the biggest threat. More of a threat even than a claimed doctor.
As such, I'm looking at DaveShack and Chaotix as the two largest likelihood of being scum.
DaveShack because that's who the blocker was blocking last night. As certain people in the ocean game can attest, roleblocking is a massive threat to the mafia but also quite ineffective against a mafia attacking the roleblocker itself. The scums may have been left with no other option but to fire at NinjaCow, particularly since there were scanners and doctors still alive.
That makes Daveshack not look too good at all.
The other option is maybe our claimed doctor, who should be a priority target for the scums, who has been vulnerable and exposed for a while now, is a communist.
But let's see what our scanners etc have to say.
DaveShack
09-14-2012, 17:15
I took no action last night because I correctly interpreted the previous update as having said that the time stream was going to be affected. If I had used my primary action it might have caused a paradox.
At least one person should understand what I'm saying, because the same ability I'm talking about seems to have been used on Ironside. Whomever used the ability seems to be in the clear with respect to NinjaCow.
Chaotix might make sense. Given the ability I (and several others) have, I'm not sure that having a doctor makes any sense. Which means it could very well be a false claim.
Vote: Chaotix.
Askthepizzaguy
09-14-2012, 17:28
I'm strongly inclined to say that two doctors is broken or not true, but this is a strange game.... even before three-ish doctors claimed.
I also note that, in spite of our bizarre amount of power roles, the communists are still fighting. I am guessing they have either some very good covers, or, they have precisely the kind of abilities it takes to counter ours.
Roleblocker is basically mandatory at this point, and NinjaCow seems to have been the roleblocker from the town side. No other claimed blockers means that the mafia roleblocker did not claim as a roleblocker and is therefore hiding among the other claimants.
That's one we can deduce from the active player pool, based on proof due to known actions.
I think we can reasonably conclude certain people cannot be the mafia roleblocker due to active use of other powers. If we could narrow down that pool, we will have a better shot at hitting the right target.
Askthepizzaguy
09-14-2012, 17:32
2. Montmorency
3. Arjos
4. BSmith, Eva Znanetzky
5. Chaotix
7. Ishmael
9. DaveShack
11. Askthepizzaguy
12. Diana Abnoba
15. Ironside
I wish I had all the data. Monty, can you fill in this chart a bit, based on what you know?
Arjos wasn't at home last night.
Aye, protected Ishmael and it was uneventful; not that I expected anything, maybe Monty could send orders with multiple choices or something, right now we are getting bypassed :S
Anyway I'm waiting to hear from the scanners...
Diana Abnoba
09-14-2012, 18:26
I scanned DaveShack last night and he did come up as Mike.
BTW so nice to hear from you again DaveShack, where have you been these past few phases?!! :stare: Are you saying you have the same ability as Ironside?
We definitely have cover stories for our mafia/communist.
Monty need to give everyone at least 2 choices for night actions. Putting our list of night action on thread (which I know is the only way we can organize), just gives our game plan to the mafia, and they hit the player not covered that night. I agree blockers right now our the mafia highest targets, then the doctors I feel may be next. Since the mafia have good cover roles the scanners aren't so much of a risk.
I got roleblocked last night.
Strange, since the person I protected was not targeted, but there it is.
ATPG, would you like me to update and re-post the player role list?
Askthepizzaguy
09-14-2012, 19:55
I'm aware of the roles. What I'm looking for is more along the lines of X cannot be the mafia roleblocker because X is known to be elsewhere night Y based on Z evidence.
My attention has been divided elsewhere for some time, and I'd rather not spend my day off hunting it down. I am assuming Monty has kept track of it.
Askthepizzaguy
09-14-2012, 19:57
I got roleblocked last night.
Strange, since the person I protected was not targeted, but there it is.
Am I slow, or is this the first instance of evidence that there's an unclaimed roleblocker out there?
Roleblockers are scum more than 50% of the time. We need to deduce who this person is.
Daveshack scanned as a doctor's assistant. I'll refrain from voting until I hear from everybody else as to their results.
That said, I agree with Diana that our scans may not work against mafia. It seems awfully unlucky that neither of us have managed to hit scum all game, and my role does say 'role-scanner,' not 'alignment-scanner' (which it looks like Xenoneb may have been). And seeing as all that information is public knowledge now, my role is...pretty much useless. Shucks.
Am I slow, or is this the first instance of evidence that there's an unclaimed roleblocker out there?
Roleblockers are scum more than 50% of the time. We need to deduce who this person is.
Diana Claimed to have been roleblocked last phase, but it was unclear if she was making it up to save her hide. Chaotix gives her more credit since he was blocked last night however.
@D I A N A
You were vague about your scan, Daveshack came up as 'Mike'? What was the full amount of information you were given? Seems strangely vague to me.
It seems obvious mafia are very powerful so I agree that multiple choice would be a good idea, otherwise Monty's list of orders is just allowing Mafia to safely plunder as they go. All that is happening at the moment is dictation of who they can attack, which may explain the uneventful night.
Askthepizzaguy
09-15-2012, 02:01
Please stop using the Mention tags for Diana Abnoba.
There is a person with the handle DiA, and all your mentions keep going to that person.
Please stop using the Mention tags for Diana Abnoba.
There is a person with the handle DiA, and all your mentions keep going to that person.
I didn't even intend it, it did it automatically.
I forget that @ before any name creates a tag, since no other site I've been on function in that way...
Montmorency
09-15-2012, 03:41
Wow, hey, Jarema, why is this a short day?
I did give multiple choices, but to no avail. People announced whom they would do in-thread.
It's very strange that Ironside was not attacked. Well, perhaps it will be a boon to us.
Was anyone blocked? This is critical - was anyone blocked? If no one claims to have been blocked, then we can take it as proof of Thermal's guilt.
Aha, Chaotix claims to have been. That surely makes no sense. Whatever the scum are, they are not disorganized.
I have a particular plan for tonight, but it relies on the Commie blocker having been neutralized. Either Chaotix is lying scum, or...
I need the "doctors" alive for tonight, but - for now, I'll assume Chaotix is not lying. If Chaotix tells the truth, it at least clears Daveshack and one other.
There are some confirmed innocents, and as many conditionally confirmed innocents. The second scum is the thorn in our side, however.
Vote: Diana
At the very least, her role is not at all useful here, everyone having accurately relayed their name - apparently. Certainly a nice cover for scum. Pull off a scum action and simply report the name which was given in-thread.
Askthepizzaguy
09-15-2012, 05:27
I'm not a fan of voting Diana here. Doesn't fit the kill pattern. There would also be a reason why Chaotix was blocked, there would have been a follow-up. She's remarkably organized and efficient as mafia, and although we're not making good progress here, I also don't see an intelligible pattern from the mafia kills or actions.
Something is not correct with these claims, Monty.
I'm not going to vote against you but I'm asking you to reconsider the evidence.
My preference is on DaveShack or Chaotix, as I said. You're leaving their claims to be verified too late in the game, IMO.
Montmorency
09-15-2012, 05:52
I need Chaotix alive for at least this one night.
Daveshack is conditionally cleared. In the interest of sparing those cleared from attacks, I can not reveal more. I would ask you to follow me on this.
The kill pattern is quite clear. Tracker, then roleblocker. One of the doctors should be next.
Askthepizzaguy
09-15-2012, 06:09
You want me to vote for my beloved Diana when I don't even think she's mafia?
What is this, some kind of getting kicked in the gonads test?
Do I get to tell you I told you so when the game is over? Given the low activity and voting, you might actually need my vote just to make sure this thing doesn't go pear-shaped. I just want to know how sure you are on this.
Montmorency
09-15-2012, 07:17
She is the least-useful role remaining - a good cover, as I noted - and so the preferred lynchee as we prepare for tonight's gambit. The gambit really requires Chaotix to cover a loose end.
Low activity is not a problem as long as we keep to the 48-hour days, as everyone votes eventually.
Montmorency
09-15-2012, 07:32
Arjos, could you please repeat what you did and what happened to you on the original N2?
Make sure to check your PMs.
I protected Diana, but unfortunately there was no attack...
Pizza's point are quite valid, but I have no problem in following the Doc's plan...
Still Diana seemed ok to me, even though that protection doesn't tell much...
Montmorency
09-15-2012, 07:56
Alright, yes. If Diana visited Arjos that night - as confirmed by edse - and Arjos was not blocked or killed, then that's good evidence for her being town.
Unvote; Vote: Ishmael
He's the next-least useful.
Frankly, like Pizza said, lynching based on the usefulness of the ability seems more like wasting a lynch...
The symmetry in the roles was making a lot of sense, and it still does.
As it is DaveShack is the one sticking out.
Vote: DaveShack
Montmorency
09-15-2012, 08:11
Dave is the same deal as Ironside. Symmetry doesn't seem to apply to my sons....
Here, I'll lay it out: do not lynch BSmith or the doctors. From there, I'd prefer an Ishmael lynch as Daveshack is conditionally cleared with two others.
Yes I noticed that, I'm still trying to figure it out, but to me looks like they couldn't claim another role (without screwing the said symmetry) and come up with this duo of no power...
Every assistant can use the time machine, but still has a role. Even robbie tried to invent something with armor...
Still I don't know as much as you, how is that "conditionally cleared with two others"?
Wow, hey, Jarema, why is this a short day?
Well, because I am only measuring first half of the day, I forgot to mention this. I am writing from a netbook with a very poor internet connection, so please forgive me that I will not correct that. I will be home tomorrow and everything will look better.
Diana Abnoba
09-15-2012, 15:37
I'm not a fan of voting Diana here. Doesn't fit the kill pattern. There would also be a reason why Chaotix was blocked, there would have been a follow-up. She's remarkably organized and efficient as mafia, and although we're not making good progress here, I also don't see an intelligible pattern from the mafia kills or actions.
Something is not correct with these claims, Monty.
I'm not going to vote against you but I'm asking you to reconsider the evidence.
My preference is on DaveShack or Chaotix, as I said. You're leaving their claims to be verified too late in the game, IMO.
:blush: Thanks babe, nice of you to say. :kiss:
You want me to vote for my beloved Diana when I don't even think she's mafia?
What is this, some kind of getting kicked in the gonads test?
Do I get to tell you I told you so when the game is over? Given the low activity and voting, you might actually need my vote just to make sure this thing doesn't go pear-shaped. I just want to know how sure you are on this.
You know me too well, beloved Pizza. :smitten:
I would never do this. :no::laugh4:
Diana Abnoba
09-15-2012, 15:47
She is the least-useful role remaining - a good cover, as I noted - and so the preferred lynchee as we prepare for tonight's gambit. The gambit really requires Chaotix to cover a loose end.
Low activity is not a problem as long as we keep to the 48-hour days, as everyone votes eventually.
Yes the bold print is true now that we have mass reveled our roles. I can only scan for roles/names. Now we know all of them so, I'm not of much use anymore. But...
Alright, yes. If Diana visited Arjos that night - as confirmed by edse - and Arjos was not blocked or killed, then that's good evidence for her being town.
Unvote; Vote: Ishmael
He's the next-least useful.
Hey yeah, good point, and true, I am town.
Diana Abnoba
09-15-2012, 16:07
Frankly, like Pizza said, lynching based on the usefulness of the ability seems more like wasting a lynch...
The symmetry in the roles was making a lot of sense, and it still does.
As it is DaveShack is the one sticking out.
Vote: DaveShack
I agree, along with Ironside's claim. But actually DaveShack hasn't yet come back to answer my previous question, if his role is the same as Ironside's. In fact, he hasn't yet answered any questions even from Monty for many phases now. We still don't know for sure what his ability is.
Yes I noticed that, I'm still trying to figure it out, but to me looks like they couldn't claim another role (without screwing the said symmetry) and come up with this duo of no power...
Every assistant can use the time machine, but still has a role. Even robbie tried to invent something with armor...
Still I don't know as much as you, how is that "conditionally cleared with two others"?
Agreed. To me Ironside and DaveShack are the odd abilities out, so to speak. Well along with Pizza's claim (sorry babe). But Pizza's still makes more sense (and he is acting more townie) then Ironside's and (what we assume) Daveshack's ability to be.
Monty- conditionally cleared by who. Please elaborate.
Montmorency
09-15-2012, 16:13
Dave is conditionally cleared, based on factors known to myself. I really shouldn't say more.
Vote Ishmael already.
DaveShack
09-15-2012, 18:04
Unvote; Vote: Ishmael
Askthepizzaguy
09-15-2012, 20:00
We still have half a day. DaveShack doesn't appear to be thinking and is willing to just go along with whatever Monty says.
Monty is town but observe what I am doing. It's called critical thinking.
Town doesn't need to be at war with one another but this is still a thinking game. It's why Diana was a bad lynch even if Monty said to lynch her.
Monty, with all due respect-
Vote: DaveShack.
Montmorency
09-15-2012, 20:41
It's why Diana was a bad lynch even if Monty said to lynch her.
I characterized it as the least-bad lynch...
Mid-day tally:
Ishmael: Montmorency, Daveshack
Daveshack: Arjos, ATPG
Machine would be ready to use at the half of day 6
Askthepizzaguy
09-15-2012, 21:03
I do have to wonder if the low vote count is due to it being the weekend, or if the scums are perfectly satisfied with either lynch.
Alright, Vote: DaveShack
Let's finish this game already.
Montmorency
09-15-2012, 21:45
I do have to wonder if the low vote count is due to it being the weekend, or if the scums are perfectly satisfied with either lynch.
Come off it, Pizza.
Let's finish this game already.
Not yet.
vote: Daveshack.
I'm sorry Monty, 'conditionally cleared' doesn't quite cut it. Especially seeing as Daveshack still hasn't made a full claim yet, to the best of my knowledge.
You want me to vote for my beloved Diana when I don't even think she's mafia?
What is this, some kind of getting kicked in the gonads test?
:blank2:
Pretty much everyone has been blindly following Monty for the majority of the game now, I'm sure most people here have voted for someone they didn't truly believe was mafia at some point. Now is an intriguing point to rebel since you haven't said exactly why you think she is innocent.
Although, I think your role is quite legitimate, contrary to Diana's belief. It seems to draw parallels with the format of my own. Even though my innocence isn't confirmed, so I'm sure this post will go unnoticed like the majority of mine.. ~:handball:
Montmorency
Chaotix claims to be blocked but that isn't enough for you? With the 2 roleblock claimers dead, how could you expect more than 1 claim of being blocked? And how would no one claiming such a thing affirm my guilt? You're in way over your head with this suspicious information you seem to be relying on. Makes me wonder if you have some kind of personal glory-goal to fulfill.
Montmorency
09-16-2012, 03:09
Save your breath until your alignment is revealed.
DaveShack
09-16-2012, 06:02
I'm an assistant (the scan of me as Mike is accurate) and town.
Montmorency
09-16-2012, 11:38
We effectively were certain of that several dozen hours ago. It means little in itself.
Montmorency
09-16-2012, 16:45
I lay down the gambit.
N4 Orders:
Askthepizzaguy: Protect Montmorency.
@Abnoba: Scan AskthePizzaGuy.
Arjos: Protect BSmith.
BSmith: Watch AskthePizzaGuy.
Chaotix: Protect BSmith.
Ishmael: Scan AskthePizzaGuy.
Let us hope the scum are down to one for tonight.
tally:
Ishmael: Montmorency, Daveshack
Daveshack: Arjos, ATPG, Chaotix, Ishmael
Daveshack was lynched. He was Mike, one of assistants.
Other news: Brickfaced (Jane) was really innocent person.
List of living players
1.
2. Montmorency
3. Arjos
4. BSmith, Eva Znanetzky
5. Chaotix
6.
7. Ishmael
8.
9.
10.
11. Askthepizzaguy
12. Diana Abnoba
13.
14.
15. Ironside
Dead players
Xenoneb, Martha Burghes. Policewoman. Allegiance: town
Nightbringer, Ann Pferd. Role-scanner. Allegiance: town
Robbiecon: Immanuel Willenloss (known as Igor). Allegiance: not clear
Edse, Michael Connely. Tracker. Allegiance: town
Brickfaced, Jane. Assistant. Allegiance: town
NinjaCow, William Lane
Daveshack, Mike.
Night 4 begins
Ishmael: Scan AskthePizzaGuy.
Roger that (you seem awfully suspicious of ATPG there Montmorency :beam:).
Montmorency
09-17-2012, 00:49
I would have used Dave, but with him gone Pizza is the most inclusive target.
It's nothing personal - it's just standard operating procedure. :glasses:
Save your breath until your alignment is revealed.
I can copy and paste now it has been? :rolleyes:
Askthepizzaguy
09-17-2012, 06:43
If Chaotix is townie, my prediction is that he gets roleblocked tonight. Based on the current setup, known claims, and the pattern to date.
If Arjos is townie, my prediction is that he gets roleblocked tonight. Same reasons.
If I were BSmith, I'd watch either Arjos or Chaotix to catch the scum roleblocker. However, I believe this request will fall on deaf ears.
On the plus side, should I be attacked, my killer will be outed. I just don't think that's what's going to happen tonight.
I also predict that NinjaCow or BSmith will end up dead somehow. Even if BSmith is protected. There's just no way that the scum are impotent at this juncture.
When these predictions come true, I fully expect to be accused of PIS. I really don't care; at this point, guessing the outcome is the most fun.
Askthepizzaguy
09-17-2012, 06:56
I just remembered I could be blocked too.
There are times when three doctors just isn't enough.
Montmorency
09-17-2012, 07:00
If one scum is dead, then they are between a rock and a hard place with this. If not, it may easily fail.
Even with two scum, BSmith can not die unless one of the doctors is scum.
Ninjacow is dead: host mistake.
Askthepizzaguy
09-17-2012, 07:22
What?
How did I fricking...
I'm sorry. Since you've taken the captain's chair I have not been taking notes and I'm even relying on the player list to know who is alive. That was sloppy of me, even if the host posted the wrong info.
I'm sorry, going to correct it. Ninja is dead.
If Chaotix is townie, my prediction is that he gets roleblocked tonight. Based on the current setup, known claims, and the pattern to date.
If Arjos is townie, my prediction is that he gets roleblocked tonight. Same reasons.
If I were BSmith, I'd watch either Arjos or Chaotix to catch the scum roleblocker. However, I believe this request will fall on deaf ears.
On the plus side, should I be attacked, my killer will be outed. I just don't think that's what's going to happen tonight.
I also predict that NinjaCow or BSmith will end up dead somehow. Even if BSmith is protected. There's just no way that the scum are impotent at this juncture.
When these predictions come true, I fully expect to be accused of PIS. I really don't care; at this point, guessing the outcome is the most fun.
I'm not quite sold on this logic. To kill BSmith, the scum would need either two roleblockers + a third member (unlikely), or 1 roleblocker and be one of the doctors. But if the latter were the case and BSmith were killed, then one of the mafiosi would be lynched in at most two rounds, which seems a tad counter-productive for them.
I'm starting to see Monty's plan this round - it would be tricky for a single mafioso to make a kill, so if there is no kill tonight it seems likely that either Daveshack (dead) or Ironside (absent) could be scum. Or the communists could be WIFOMing us. I'll wait and see as to what happens tonight before drawing any conclusions.
Dude, Arjos is lurking scum.
But anyway, I am here confirming the night orders.
Askthepizzaguy
09-17-2012, 18:13
I'm not quite sold on this logic.
I'm not here to sell you on the logic. As they say in Star Wars, I got a bad feeling about this.
The mafia will probably do what I said or something similar tonight. All our plans are public and all our roles are as well; and I get why we did it but I don't think we were able to use the mass outings to our advantage. The mafia know exactly what to do to counter us.
Monty is doing fine as the organizer but I believe there's enough trump cards in the mafia's favor that having an open plan leaves us vulnerable to counter. I've said my piece, feel free to ignore me, but I don't recommend that you do.
Professor Willess was collecting informations about one of other persons, when he was brutally killed. When doctor Willenloss heard about it, he started to cry. ' No, I cannot lose both my boys! No, that MUST be rewinded! I do not care about consequences, I do not care about my machine, that just hurts too much!
Diana Abnoba was Professor Willess.
Another info: NinjaCow was innocent
Ironside is still absent
List of living players
1.
2. Montmorency
3. Arjos
4. BSmith, Eva Znanetzky
5. Chaotix
6.
7. Ishmael
8.
9.
10.
11. Askthepizzaguy
12.
13.
14.
15. Ironside
Dead players
Xenoneb, Martha Burghes. Policewoman. Allegiance: town
Nightbringer, Ann Pferd. Role-scanner. Allegiance: town
Robbiecon: Immanuel Willenloss (known as Igor). Allegiance: not clear
Edse, Michael Connely. Tracker. Allegiance: town
Brickfaced, Jane. Assistant. Allegiance: town
NinjaCow, William Lane. Allegiance: town
Daveshack, Mike.
Diana Abnoba, professor Willess
Day 5 begins
Time to midday:
Time to end of day 5:
Diana Abnoba
09-17-2012, 21:46
Damn mafia ~;p
Don't know if I will get results because I dead now, but I sent orders to scan Pizza last night.
Ok, I watched ATPG last night. She wasn’t at home, but I saw two “beautiful men” around her house last night as well.
Blocked again.
Vote: Arjos
Askthepizzaguy
09-17-2012, 22:54
Monty, can you rewind time again?
Askthepizzaguy
09-17-2012, 23:02
Ok, I watched ATPG last night. She wasn’t at home, but I saw two “beautiful men” around her house last night as well.
Listen boys, one at a time please. I'll get around to all of you eventually.
Montmorency
09-17-2012, 23:18
One step ahead. I realize they keep taking the easy way and simply killing the individual most cleared by the night's actions. I only come to understand who that was after the fact. :wall:
Ok, I watched ATPG last night. She wasn’t at home, but I saw two “beautiful men” around her house last night as well.
Alright, so Diana and Ishmael visited. We know that. We can afford to treat that info well, because...Tomorrow.
I could rewind, yes, but if I do it in this state Ironside and I could be ruined. Better not to - with both sons dead, the risks are too high. I've effectively lost the power.
If BSmith tells truth, then any of the doctors are suspect. Chaotix claims to have been blocked again.
Here's the plan for tonight - Arjos goes to the future. If he is innocent, he will follow this order. It is law.
Ironside is proven innocent without a doubt. If BSmith is innocent - and he is if Daveshack is innocent - then we must accept that Ishmael is innocent as well. If Daveshack is scum, we will know by the end of today.
Vote: Chaotix
You're an odd-one-out right now. Blocked twice in a row? You certainly were convinced that Dave was a Commie yesterday. Now, I see that. It would be a gamble. Vote a patsy if he's a patsy, but it wouldn't b ea problem to vote him if he were your partner.
But here's the case in your favor: we know that, unless Dave is scum, there have not been killed any scum. Does anyone else claim to have been blocked? In that case, it's certainly possible that he could be blocked twice in a row by someone like Arjos.
Everything rests on Dave's flip. For today, I simply must keep my vote on Chaotix. I would ask that we vote to lynch. Trust me in this thing. Ironside: Please back me up.
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 00:47
Another thing: why would scum block Chaotix again, when they aren't even going after his protectee, again? If Chaotix scanned as a bodyguard, they could get a kill merely by attacking BSmith. In addition, they could put that block to good use by preventing BSmith from reporting on the night - though that much is given if we accept Ish and Di as innocent together. Still, clever scum would rather do something like block either Ishmael or Diana to make them look like duty-shirking townies: that is, scum.
That's actually also evidence against BSmith, but again: we need Daveshack's flip.
Ishmael, how did your scan of Pizza turn?
ATPG scanned as a bodyguard.
I agree that one of the doctors is likely to be the killer. I've got a whole lot of hypothetical's - 'if Player A is scum, then Player B should be cleared,' sort of things - running through my head, but frankly none of them seem to be yielding anything with the information that is currently known. Thus I'll go with the doctor who has exhibited the most unusual behaviour:
vote: Chaotix
Extremely reluctant to go along with the mass-reveal earlier, scanned as a bodyguard but claims a pure doctor role, and supposedly blocked twice in a row. It just doesn't seem to add up.
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 02:04
I will note that Arjos is the doctor out amid two bodyguards (by your scan).
He'd better follow my orders carefully...
Now that Ishmael has given his results it is time for me to say that I learned something else last night. One of the two men that visited ATPG last night looks an awful lot like the one who attacked me. Since Diana is already dead, I’ll have to vote: Ishmael.
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 03:27
Impossible. You were killed by Robbiecon.
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 04:35
I am blatantly watching and waiting to see who votes where, in case you're curious.
If I contribute to any wagon, it makes it easier for mafia to hide in the wagon or avoid voting altogether since the lynch is decided. I want to know where people stand.
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 05:16
BSmith, I noticed that you don't give names for visitors. Edse could even tell whom his target was visiting.
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 05:31
I see. We may lynch Chaotix tomorrow, if necessary.
Unvote; Vote: Arjos
I have no more need of your "services".
I see. We may lynch Chaotix tomorrow, if necessary.
Unvote; Vote: Arjos
I have no more need of your "services".
Isn't this awfully similar to your argument yesterday? Seriously Montmorency, you need to start giving reasons if you want people to vote with you (although to be fair you did with Chaotix, which is a good start).
BSmith, I noticed that you don't give names for visitors. Edse could even tell whom his target was visiting.
Yeah, I have never gotten a name as part of my watching. If Robbiecon was the one who killed me, then how do you account for the result that one of the two men who visited ATPG’s house last night looked a lot like the man who attacked me?
Michael Connely decided to spy professor Willess. Michel's intuition does not full him about his intended target. Professor doesn't sit at his house, but he rather visited someone else. Unfortunately, before Michael could see anything more, he was shoot down. The killer departed into the night, saying silently: 'For the People'.
Someone else was on the hunt during the same night. Eva Znanetzky was peeking into windows of John Blake's house, when someone grabbed her from behind and started strangling her. When she passed out, the perpetrator undressed her, almost completely. When he tried to remove Eva's underwear, she regained consciousness. 'Why? You are so handsome, if you asked me, I would be yours without all...' at this moment, his knife silenced her forever.
Comparing the two kills, it's pretty evident that you were killed by the SK (robbiecon). I can only see two options to explain your results then - either you're mafia looking for a cheap lynch, or something/somebody has tampered with your results. In regards to the former, it's a bit of a risky play by mafia unless today is LyLo - but for the latter, it seems odd that scum would not have used such an ability before if they had it. Nonetheless, I'll leave my vote on Chaotix for now.
Nothing is making sense here lol
Mafia blocking to prevent protection, but without making any use of that...
Yet Ishmael scanned Chaotix as a bodyguard, cover role? No clue XD
BSmith is seeing ghosts, really don't understand that...
Vote: BSmith
No one attacked him tonight, SK got mafia previously?
I can time travel tomorrow, but seems I'm today's pick for the nonsense/least bad lynch...
My role it's doctor (personal bodyguard), don't know what to tell you...
I’m willing to bet top dollar that one of you two is mafia.
I have only reported what I have learned from my watching, yet I can’t escape the feeling that both of you are trying to direct suspicion on me. Are we a little panicked over the news?
The only way I can interpret my findings is that one of the people that visited ATPG last night also killed me earlier. Either that or we have a look-alike contest going on.
Assuming everyone did what they were supposed to do last night, the only two people I should have seen were Ishmael and Diana. Diana is dead, and we should know her alignment soon (probably innocent given she was night-killed). That leaves a huge level of doubt on Ishmael in my mind. Especially since his main reaction was to deflect attention and skillfully try to put some doubt on my findings.
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 17:06
List of living players
1.
2. Montmorency
3. Arjos
4. BSmith, Eva Znanetzky
5. Chaotix
6.
7. Ishmael
8.
9.
10.
11. Askthepizzaguy
12.
13.
14.
15. Ironside
One of these is the mafia roleblocker, or Chaotix is guilty, because Chaotix reported being blocked and all town blockers should be dead,
I can cross myself off, and likely, Monty as well due to his other demonstrated powers.
According to BSmith's own testimony, Diana and Ishmael were seen elsewhere, so they couldn't have been blocking Chaotix.
Ironside isn't back yet.
That leaves Arjos, BSmith, and Chaotix. And of course, Arjos and Chaotix are our two claimed doctors.
Meanwhile, BSmith is saying that Ishmael looks like someone he couldn't possibly be. Chaotix is being blocked, but for what purpose? Nothing happens when he gets blocked.
The folks whose stories make the least sense are BSmith and Arjos and Chaotix. But, Arjos isn't being blocked for no reason whatsoever, and Arjos is also not a person seeing people who couldn't possibly be there.
My vote would go on either BSmith, or Chaotix today. Monty, it's up to you where it should go. In MY opinion, we should be lynching BSmith. We know his name, not that he's town.
Ishmael correctly scanned my role. I am surprised that he said bodyguard, because all along I have been saying essentially that I love the Doctor and would be willing to die for him, and that might have been fake "scanned" as something besides a bodyguard. So Ishmael definitely scanned me.
BSmith is saying that Ishmael was the person who attacked him, when it clearly cannot be. That means he's lying, or the game host is lying.
Between the two, it's not going to be the game host lying, Monty.
As much as I am tempted to split the question of the doctors in two, we can deal with them tomorrow. BSmith's role hasn't caught anything useful and is now reporting information we know to be false.
Unvote if I am voting
Vote: BSmith
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 17:08
Nothing is making sense here lol
Mafia blocking to prevent protection, but without making any use of that...
Yet Ishmael scanned Chaotix as a bodyguard, cover role? No clue XD
BSmith is seeing ghosts, really don't understand that...
Vote: BSmith
No one attacked him tonight, SK got mafia previously?
I can time travel tomorrow, but seems I'm today's pick for the nonsense/least bad lynch...
My role it's doctor (personal bodyguard), don't know what to tell you...
This is the defense of a townie trying to make sense of the situation. He's reporting the facts which are incongruent but he's also not acting all pissy or aggressive toward someone he could easily make a much more devastating case on.
This guy is the wrong guy, based on everything we know.
To be clear, I am not saying that it was Ishmael without a doubt. One of Diana or Ishmael (assuming they actually were the two that visited ATPG) looks like the guy that attacked me. Nothing more, nothing less. But I love how my words are being twisted to make it sound like I am a lying scumbag. Unfortunately with the delay in revealing alignment, it may be too late when you see for sure that I am innocent.
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 18:25
To be clear, I am not saying that it was Ishmael without a doubt. One of Diana or Ishmael (assuming they actually were the two that visited ATPG) looks like the guy that attacked me. Nothing more, nothing less. But I love how my words are being twisted to make it sound like I am a lying scumbag. Unfortunately with the delay in revealing alignment, it may be too late when you see for sure that I am innocent.
Okay, but I want to know where you stand on everyone else, now that you're backing off on the Ishmael claim. It seems really odd to me that they would look so similar but it mean nothing, and the game host threw that in to confuse you. It does sound more like something you made up. But let's not assume your innocence or guilt, let's pick your brain.
Of Chaotix and Arjos, which do you suspect to be scum more than the other? Why?
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 18:32
A problem, Pizza: if BSmith is scum, and Dave was not, did BSmith just guess correctly the other day that Dave had done nothing? If BSmith is scum, he likely hasn't ever watched anyone, right? Dave's flip tonight should tell us whether or not this character is straight, right?
One thing regarding Arjos: he's clever. He's just the sort I'd expect to make these moves as scum.
And don't forget that we ould have 3 bodyguards of 15 players this way.
On the other hand, I could find a way to use three bodyguards.
I would prefer you guys to lynch Arjos or Chaotix, but if I let this slide will I get you guys to follow my orders to the utmost tomorrow?
Ironside is back, he just hasn't been active yet unfortunately. We still have 26 hours.
Isn't this awfully similar to your argument yesterday? Seriously Montmorency, you need to start giving reasons if you want people to vote with you (although to be fair you did with Chaotix, which is a good start).
My preferences shift, based on various reevaluations. :shrug:
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 18:35
I support a Chaotix lynch over Arjos, but that might be residual confirmation bias left over from my devastating smackdown on him a few rounds ago.
I might not be the most unbiased jurist on that one, so I defer to your judgment on the matter, Monty.
At this time, however, BSmith appears the most questionable, and DaveShack could very well have been scum that he was covering for.
I'm not willing to wait for absolute proof on the matter, because it may well be too late. I don't buy that there were only two scums and a SK in this game, and I don't want to leave open the possibility that all our suspects are slipping by until we have a certain standard of proof. This is a mafia game, I am prepared to guess, and we may need to guess in order to win it.
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 18:42
I'm not willing to wait for absolute proof on the matter, because it may well be too late.
Tonight. Look, if there are three commies - four scum in 15 players is something you would pull, or Zack, or Visor, but never Jarema - then you are scum with Ishmael and Arjos. If there were three commies, we would have seen associations at play. 3/7 with one apparent AWOL is the time to go all out in the WIFOM. Bull.
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 18:48
Difficult to make such blanket assertions about the game balance when there's revivers, doctors, scanners, etc. More resembling of an all-power role game or something similar would have three.
I also note, tonight is officially too late at 3/7, because unless you hit a scum, that's 3/6. Having proof when the game is over is not something that we should care about.
If it is LYLO, which it is possible it is not, but why take chances, then town must stand united. I'm one of the few who is willing to say who I'd be willing to vote for, and that list is not one person. This is to help us align our suspicions and get someone lynched without infighting.
I've left it up to you to make the call, Monty. But I think we should lynch BSmith.
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 18:55
If there are 3/7, then a scum merely has to bus a partner and coast to victory. Or, convince townies to lynch each other
If there are three scum, there's no doubt that Arjos is one of them: none. If there are three scum, or even two, it surely doesn't matter which we lynch, right? We just need to get scum.
Regardless, I don't believe in worst cases. I believe this is a typical case.
More resembling of an all-power role game or something similar would have three.
Ironside and Daveshack are rather weak. Diana's role could only be useful in a very select few circumstances.
Unvote; Vote: BSmith
I've come up with a new set of orders. Wait'll you get a load of this.
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 18:56
:tired:
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 18:57
I would like to hear your arguments regarding Arjos.
I have been suspecting Chaotix more, and the reasons are the reasons I gave. But I want to hear why it could possibly be Arjos as well, to cover the bases.
Edit: I see that you're tired. Whenever, we have time.
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 19:01
Arjos is an odd-one-out. Never been scanned, and something about him just fit. The pattern of kills, as I had mentioned.
Chaotix: Arjos would be clever enough to have him blocked twice, because the scanner and watcher were not much of an immediate threat to him, and because he expected it to get Town to turn on Chaotix.
Who get's blocked twice in a row when their protectee isn't even hit, right?
Because the watcher is not a threat - or because the watcher is a scum-buddy. See it?
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 19:13
I can dig it. It would certainly fool me. Probably why I am still alive and so is Chaotix, then.
I think we can get enough votes on BSmith today, and remember that Arjos is likely bussing BSmith. Once Smithy is gone, Arjos can die, and we would have at most one left.
Who is the third baddie? Probably Ishmael for voting for Chaotix. Probably hoping I'd join in on my most tempting target.
I'll have you know I resisted the urge to lynch issaikhaan in the Campground, on the final round. I am not that predictable, you guys.
No sale. Chaotix lives, BSmith, Arjos, and Ishmael die.
Why on earth would I advocate for Ishamel’s lynch if he and I were both scum-buddies? That is an inconsistency I can’t get over, Pizza.
If I had to guess based on the past day’s conversation, I’d say the last three (if there are three) scum are Ishmael, Arjos and Pizza. You guys are trying your damndest to direct the lynch in a manner that is beneficial to a scum win. I fear that today is critical in who we lynch, and if I am the one that is lynched then it may well be impossible for the town to win this. Unless of course we can rewind time again and get a bunch of do-overs.
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 19:55
Why on earth would I advocate for Ishamel’s lynch if he and I were both scum-buddies? That is an inconsistency I can’t get over, Pizza.
I find it remarkable that certain folks have apparently never heard of "bussing", and furthermore, that they assume I would never perform such a maneuver, and in fact, that I spend my time never accusing my mafia teammates so that we can all be so easily outed as to simply say "Whoever Pizza never voted for is mafia".
You claimed Ishmael was your murderer and we know that he was not. It was the SK. Which means you aren't proven innocent AND YOU ARE LYING.
Bussing a partner outright with no suspicion on him (or oneself for that matter) in the first place is a very risky endeavor.
You are clearly over-simplifying my statements about Ishmael and then using that over-simplification against me.
All I know is what I have been told by the GM as a result of my watching your house. I have reported that information to everyone, and have made the best judgment I can based on the situation as it has been presented to me.
I firmly believe that either Diana or Ishmael is the one that killed me before time was rewound. Since Diana was night-killed, and it is fairly assumed that Robbiecon was the SK, I seriously doubt that she was the killer. That leaves Ishmael. There is no other way around it in my mind.
But it’s cool. Go ahead and lynch me. Congrats to the Mafia as well. You certainly deserve this win, having survived the mass role-reveal and playing this lynch perfectly.
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 20:36
Doom and gloom?
I wonder if anyone here has been around long enough to remember SkyNet and how often mafia on the spot claimed doom and gloom upon their lynch and began congratulating the mafia for winning.
Skynet was a system I developed which was essentially a database noting the behavior of mafia in vanillish games. Doom and Gloom was my note for behavior which attempts to dissuade townies trying to lynch them by playing upon the fear of loss.
In LYLO, we already know a mislynch is a loss. Fear-based tactics are not townie.
Didn't Yoda tell you fear of loss is a path to the dark side?
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 20:48
Re-read the writeup where you died again.
It's clear that you were doing something nonviolent that night, but information gathering for sure.
Mafia have a roleblocker and were also murdering, likely have a third member. A tracker or a watcher would be useful.... particularly a watcher because a watcher can catch town power roles in the act. Say, doctors, for example. Or the tracker.
You insist despite all evidence to the contrary you were killed by mafia, which would clear you, but it's simply not true, and then you claim that you saw your killer, which we know is false. You're the scum watcher.
If I am making this up, prove it. It's all in the thread. Pretty hard to dispute, rolleyes boy.
Honestly, I'm not sure what more I can do here.
Ignore any typos, I'm posting from my phone.
Might as well unvote; vote: Pizza.
What else are obvious scum tells? I'm sure I can hit a few more...
...
Well, if BSmith is scum, that means we should have left him dead before. Remember he was nightkilled - although this was presumably by Igor, as he was the "choker" serial killer.
Which means it's entirely possible for him to be a communist, and that's not something I even really considered before. I figured the rewinded guys were pretty much confirmed innocent.
And if the evidence fits... I mean, improbable night results, me being blocked for no reason. Possibly the scum suspected I might have tried protecting someone other than who I was asked to (I'm more likely to do something like that than Arjos, I think).
Vote: BSmith
You do remember the last time I did this, right? Innocent as can be.
I've said what I have to say. Not sure that much else I can say will sway your opinion. Of course I suspect your opinion to be somewhat resistant to changing based on the fact that you are scummy as hell.
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 20:56
The two writeups have one person killing clearly because they enjoy it, and the other killing for the communist cause, with no ambiguity.
BSmith was killed by Igor, and probably figured if he could make us believe he was killed by mafia, that he was innocent therefore.
Also, Russian/Polish last name.
Obvious communist.
Pizza - What game was it where we went loggerheads against each other, all the while both of us were innocent?
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 20:58
I realize you're mocking the stereotypical scum tells, BSmith, not unlike many other actual scums have done. You're hardly pioneering there.
But in all seriousness. Why would a townie suggest that someone else killed them, when it can be proven to any townie, particularly you, that you were killed by Igor.
What townie has a motive to lie about that?
It's easy to mock the strawman, but its harder to mock the actual case on you, B.
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 21:00
Pizza - What game was it where we went loggerheads against each other, all the while both of us were innocent?
This kind of appeal is admirable, but desperate. We're not playing that game, and we're not at loggerheads. If you could prove to me that I'm mistaken, then I wouldn't have even been voting for you, I'd be voting for Arjos at this point.
But you are caught lying about your killer, it's done. Shake hands, good game, yes?
Time will tell. RL calls and I have to go pick up the kids from school. There is still time Today, so maybe I'll have time to get a more specific response to your last post while I am at work tomorrow.
People were debating fiercely what to do. But, it was in fact meaningless. At the high noon, time machine puffed and squeezed, and Ironside walked from it.
'Wait... what is happening? It seems that only a second passed... Is this machine working at all?'
'Ironside!' said doctor Willenloss. 'You were absent for almost two days! You traveled in time!
And now, it is time for me to operate the machine'.
'Not so fast, my love. I will not allow you to do it' - Adele Delacruse standed between doctor and his machine.
'And how are you going to stop me, darling?'
'With this gun, for example' replied Adele, producing small pistol from her purse.
'What? Are you one of this red swines? We will put you to order'
'I do not think so, doctor' – someone said behind Willenloss back. When he turned, he saw bodies of Eva Znanetzky and John Blake lying on the floor, and Fred with Adam Steiner holding guns in their hands.
BSmith is dead. He was Eva Znanetzky.
Chaotix is dead. He was John Blake.
'Long live the revolution!' yelled Adam Steiner and Fred, and charged in the direction of doctor Willenloss. Old doctor thought about last chance to save himself and ran to the time machine, despite Adele trying to shoot him. When he almost made it, Ironside hit him right into middle of face. 'For the party' – Ironside said, and that were the last words Willenloss heard before he passed away.
'The West is Red!' shouted Arjos, Ironside, Ishmael and Askthepizzaguy together. The time machine stood behind them, silently waiting.
Mafia victory!
List of players alive at end of game:
Montmorency
Arjos
BSmith
Chaotix
Ishmael
Askthepizzaguy
Ironside
Why I did not end game at beginning of this day, when there was 2 scum, 1 traitor and 3 townies? Because traitor didn't count when mafia victory was determined, and town fate was not sealed. If Montmorency decided to use time machine before it was fully ready, he and Ironside would die, and town would still have a small chance (one-day rewind).
Some comments:
1. Why so many mafia? (3 + 1) Well, I thought it was balanced by 3 main factors: a) every townie having some kind of power role; b) presence of serial killer; c) time-revelsal power at the town side. I feel that this power was enormous.
What didnt work? Again, 3 main things IMO: a) the most important role for town (not counting doctor Willenloss) – the policewoman – was lynched at day 1 and was not revived later; b) serial killer didn't kill any mafia member; c) Montmorency waited longer than he had to for using his power for the first time; if he used it at day 2, then he would be able to use it again before the game ended. And that will give town another chance.
Of course, town and mafia play was also very important. And I saw a few interesting moves.
2. Why Igor was so handsome/ why BSmith saw her killer? Well, because one of the Igor's abilities was that he was able to look exactly like his twin brother, professor Willess (I did not say they were twin brothers, I was afraid it would be too easy) EDIT: in fact, in family history description, I have written that they were siblings; Igor was only pretending his drooling and hunchback. So, when BSmith was killed, she saw face of professor Willess, and she saw the same face later.
3. Time machine: you can see its functions in role descriptions. As for risks: a) if someone used machine inproperly (either Willenloss used it before time was right, or one of his sons operated it), it would explode. It will kill person using it (with exception of Igor), and only rewind one day; b) if someone used minor function at the same time that major function was used, that person would die; c) if someone used minor function at the same time that Igor used his ability at him/her, that person would die.
If someone asked me anything about time machine (would it work for sure, can one be certain about exact results) I always try to emphasise unpredictability of it (even if it was 100% sure to work in certain way)
4. I made a few conditional events. For example, after death of both his sons, doctor Willenloss was able to use machine earlier than it was ready, but at great risk. If doctor was dead earlier than his sons, then assistants would vote if they want the keys for time machine to go into hands of Igor or professor Willess (if both sons of Willenloss were alive). And so on.
5. I regret that Igor didn't have opportunity to really use his special mechanics, and he had two of them (you will see it in the role description). I think now that I was too harsh for him – I should allow him to use his main ability at night 2 for the first time, not night 3
mafia qt:
http://www.quicktopic.com/48/H/Vf2DcN23MyjPU
Willenloss family history (doctor, professor & Igor get this info)
After moving with his wife to America, doctor Willenloss has become father of two sibling sons. One of them was named Adolf, the second one – Immanuel. Both boys were intelligent and ambitious. They both craved for father's praises. And they competed heavily with each other.
When the boys reached age of 18, they both felt in love. Unfortunately, they both loved the same girl. One day, tragedy that changed lifes of all family members happened. No one besides the brothers know details, but from this day Immanuel's body was distorted. When he walks, he drags his feet. He is hunching all the time. His mouth is always opened, and he drools. Most people believe that he is retarded. He decided to adopt nick-name 'Igor' for himself, and is known to others only under this name. At the same day Adolf escaped. For more than 15 years, he did not ever drop a line. He graduated from university, he had ph. d. in physics. He even changed his name, in order to sever his ties with family. After 17 years, doctor Willenloss found him and persuaded to come back – temptation of working at his time machine was too strong. But he still didnt say a single word to his brother.
Roles:
Name of character: doctor Willenloss
You love both your sons. You know that Igor is not as stupid as many people thing. You will like your sons to reconcile with each other. You also feel that you need to compensate Igor for his poor lot. You even make your will, in which you wrote that after your death, your sons should continue your work together.
Allegiance: town
Abilities: you can operate your time machine. You can use both major and minor function.
major: you reverse whole night and day, in fact even little more (e.g. if used at first half of day 3, it will 'rewind' time to beginning of day 2). Major function can be used only during first half of day. After using its major function, machine would be ready for another use of it when 4 days pass.
Minor: It transports user to the future: he/she disapears from the game. As a result user is protected, and cannot be voted for, but also cannot do anything, even post. It is used at beginning of night (the order should be send during night). For example, if player uses it at night 2, he appears back at the half of day 4. He is protected during nights 2 & 3, and absent during day 3 and first half of day 4. Be warned! If more than one person is using time machine during the same time (or if different uses of it overlaps), weird and dangerous things may happen. Beware of time paradoxes! All doctor assistants can use this function.
Name of character: professor Willess
You are afraid of Igor. You know he has reasons for vengeance, and you feel he has not forgiven you. You do not know if he is good or bad person, but you would feel more secure if he was dead.
Allegiance: town
Abilities: You are very intelligent and influential. You can scan one person every night, and learn name of this person. Also, you have second, secret vote that you can sent me every day.
Name of character: Igor (Immanuel Willenloss)
'They must pay. They all will pay. I will kill everyone. Especially my brother. I am not as stupid as they think.'
Others do not know it, but your hunching, drooling and mumbling is just a pose. When you want, you look perfectly normal, so normal than no one will recognize you. In fact, you look like a perfect copy of your brother...
Abilities:
1. You may decide if you want to look for all others like Igor or like professor Willenloss. If you would like to look like professor, all scanners will see you as him, in descriptions of night actions you will be described as him (but not descriptions of day events – voting), and even after your death your body will look as his. If you manage to kill him, you may made his body look like if it was yours – then I will write that Igor was killed, and from this point you will be able to assume Willess identity.
2. Three times per game you may attack another player at night and attempt to kill him.
3. You have also second power: you may put someones body into time machine and sent it into past...
In game terms: you name a player. At beginning of next day, his/her body is found. But it is also emphasised that this player is still alive! Then, there are two options: (1) if that player is lynched or killed by mafia, it is assumed you just sent his body into past, nothing more happens and you just lose that night; (2) if that player is not lynched or killed during two days, you can kill him during night. Nothing can block you or protect him – after all, we already know that you killed him.
For example: you use this power night 3 on Jarema. His body is found at beginning of day 4. If he is not lynched or nightkilled during days 4, 5 and night 4, then you can kill him as a night action during night 5.
You may made body 'appear' at nights 3, 5, 7, etc.
4. Last of your abilities: you are immune to night attacks.
Allegiance: Third party. You are a serial killer.
Name of character: Jane
You are one of doctor's assistants.
Allegiance: town
Role: assistant
Abilities:
1. you are able to use 'minor' function of time machine. It transports user to the future: he/she disapears from the game. As a result user is protected, and cannot be voted for, but also cannot do anything, even post. It is used at beginning of night (the order should be send during night). For example, if player uses it at night 2, he appears back at the half of day 4. He is protected during nights 2 & 3, and absent during day 3 and first half of day 4. Be warned! If more than one person is using time machine during the same time (or if different uses of it overlaps), weird and dangerous things may happen. Beware of time paradoxes! All doctor assistants can use this function.
2. you are cute. Once per game you may roleblock other person, but it would be effective only against males.
Name of character: Mike
You are one of doctor's assistants.
Allegiance: town
Role: assistant
Abilities:
1. you are able to use 'minor' function of time machine. It transports user to the future: he/she disapears from the game. As a result user is protected, and cannot be voted for, but also cannot do anything, even post. It is used at beginning of night (the order should be send during night). For example, if player uses it at night 2, he appears back at the half of day 4. He is protected during nights 2 & 3, and absent during day 3 and first half of day 4. Be warned! If more than one person is using time machine during the same time (or if different uses of it overlaps), weird and dangerous things may happen. Beware of time paradoxes! All doctor assistants can use this function.
2. 2. you are aggressive and in a good shape. Once per game you may attack one other player and kill him, but only if it is a male (you will not kill a woman)
Name of character: Mary
You are one of doctor's assistants.
Allegiance: town
Role: assistant
Abilities:
1. you are able to use 'minor' function of time machine. It transports user to the future: he/she disapears from the game. As a result user is protected, and cannot be voted for, but also cannot do anything, even post. It is used at beginning of night (the order should be send during night). For example, if player uses it at night 2, he appears back at the half of day 4. He is protected during nights 2 & 3, and absent during day 3 and first half of day 4. Be warned! If more than one person is using time machine during the same time (or if different uses of it overlaps), weird and dangerous things may happen. Beware of time paradoxes! All doctor assistants can use this function.
NO! In fact that is not true!
You are mafia!
Allegiance: communist movement (mafia)
Role: godfather (communist cell leader)
Abilities:
1. like described above
2. as long as you do not participate in mafia kills, you scan as an innocent. After death, your alignment will be described as 'not clear' if you never killed anybody
Name of character: Fred
You are one of doctor's assistants.
Allegiance: town
Role: assistant
Abilities:
1. you are able to use 'minor' function of time machine. It transports user to the future: he/she disapears from the game. As a result user is protected, and cannot be voted for, but also cannot do anything, even post. It is used at beginning of night (the order should be send during night). For example, if player uses it at night 2, he appears back at the half of day 4. He is protected during nights 2 & 3, and absent during day 3 and first half of day 4. Be warned! If more than one person is using time machine during the same time (or if different uses of it overlaps), weird and dangerous things may happen. Beware of time paradoxes! All doctor assistants can use this function.
NO! In fact that is not true!
You are mafia!
Allegiance: communist movement (mafia)
Role: doctor (cell leader's personal bodyguard)
Abilities:
1. like described above
2. you may protect another character during night. Three uses. There are situations, when it may not work
Name of character: Adam Steiner
Allegiance: MAFIA
Role: framer
Cover role: FBI agent - you can scan one player for his role at night; some players will give you false results (for example, serial killer may scan as a vigilante).
Abilities:
1. as described under cover role; 3 uses
2. you may made someone look suspicious for one night. 3 uses.
Name of character: Martha Burghes
Allegiance: Town
Role: Policeman
Abilities: you can scan one player for his alignment every night. Be warned: some evil players may scan innocent, and some innocent players may scan evil.
Name of character: Michael Connely
Allegiance: Town
Role: Tracker
Abilities: you can track your target and see whom he/she visits. Three uses. There may be characters immune to your ability
Name of character: Eva Znanetzky
Allegiance: Town
Role: watcher (peeping Tom – female version)
Abilities: you can watch house of your target and get answer to all this questions: was target visited by anyone? By man or woman? Was target at home? Is he man or woman?
[Host comment: all men - besides Igor in his monstrous form and doctor Willenloss - were handsome to her. You know, old lady who never have a good time with a member of opposite gender...]
Name of character: Ann Pferd
Allegiance: Town
Role: role-scanner (nosy neighbour)
Abilities: you learn name of character who you scan, and if he/she was doing something during night when you scan him/her
Name of character: William Lane
Allegiance: Town
Role: roleblocker (night watch)
Abilities: you can block one person during night. There are situations, when it may not work
[Host comment: it would not work against special ability of Igor]
Name of character: John Blake
Allegiance: Town
Role: doctor (professor Willess personal bodyguard)
Abilities: you can protect one person at night. There are situations, when it may not work
[Host comment: it would not work against special ability of Igor]
Name of character: Adele Delacruse
You are a former lover and a muse of doctor Willenloss. You know he admires you. But, in secret you despise him and wish him all bad things. Because, in your hearth, you are a communist.
Allegiance: communist movement (mafia)
Role: traitor
You are associated with mafia, yet not part of it. You know names of all communist movement members: . You win with them. They, on the other hand, know only that you exist and that you are a woman. Remember, communication outside of the game thread is prohibited, and you are not allowed to access their qt. Be careful! They may accidentally kill you. They will have limited ability to contact with you
Abilities: You may roleblock one person every night. There are situations, when it may not work
List of players and their roles:
1 Montmorency Doctor Willenloss
2 Diana Abnoba Professor Willess
3 Robbiecon Igor assistant (Serial Killer)
4 Brickfaced Jane Assistant
5 DaveShack Mike Assistant
6 Ironside Mary Godfather (mafia)
7 Arjos Fred Bodyguard (mafia)
8 Ishmael Adam Steiner Framer (mafia)
9 Xenoneb Martha Burghes Policewoman
10 Edse Michael Connely Tracker
11 BSmith Eva Znanetzky watcher
12 Nightbringer Ann Pferd role-scanner
13 NinjaCow William Lane roleblocker
14 Chaotix John Blake bodyguard
15 Askthepizzaguy Adele Delacruse traitor
Argh, didn't get to post awesome songs in character :P
*puts his ushanka on*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kr3qMORtM5M
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 21:12
MWAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA..... BAH HAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!
:evil:
Flawless victory, and I couldn't even communicate with my teammates. Nice to be able to say hello to you guys openly for the first time.
High five.
I will read our quicktopic before I go to work, but I won't be able to post until afterward.
Nice game. Epic victoly.
Btw Pizza in this last day phase made me laugh so much XD
I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW IT I KNEW IT
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 21:20
Lol you guys really had no idea it was me for the longest. I love that.
My poker face fools my own teammates.
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 21:21
Arjos, Ironside, Ishmael and Askthepizzaguy
if there are three commies - four scum in 15 players is something you would pull, or Zack, or Visor, but never Jarema - then you are scum with Ishmael and Arjos.
Well, at least I got that. Jesus, no wonder Ironside willingly went off. Wow.
Four Commies? You had a recruiter, didn't you? No wonder Pizza was never going on and on about possible recruiting abilities.
I won't misjudge you again, Jarema.
Nah, he was a traitor from the start and knew who we were, but all we knew was that a woman was working for us.
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 21:24
Well, losing to one of the best teams imaginable isn't so bad.
I had planned to rewind tomorrow, after picking through the kill and results to totally clear one player.
I'm going to gather all the little scum-tells Pizza dropped on the key Days 2 and 3. There are a few.
Askthepizzaguy
09-18-2012, 21:25
It was fun roleblocking people and hoping it would be helpful to my teammates. Because they didn't always match up as a rational plan, it was used as evidence of fakery, when really, I just wanted my mates to kill either the bodyguards or the Doctor at long last, and they kept hitting other people.
The doctor and the bodyguards were vulnerable almost every night. I made sure of that. I could always claim to be roleblocked, since I was the roleblocker.
I should have kept pushing the ATPG lynch after I revealed and was no longer in danger. I chalked it up to a crazy gut feeling but I was right.....
Also, I pretty much knew Arjos was scum because I saw him lurking the thread in invisible mode for about an hour after Monty requested his night info. I didn't say anything about it because that's totally a mod power abuse (unintended but I couldn't unsee it).
Ah ah ah XD
We wanted to get rid of blockers and "confirmed" townies, to have leeway and "open" lynch phases...
Not to mention, after seeing that time-rewind, I personally started to imagine all kind of mechanics with the doc and preferred to keep him in a "controlled" status lol
Also, I pretty much knew Arjos was scum because I saw him lurking the thread in invisible mode for about an hour after Monty requested his night info. I didn't say anything about it because that's totally a mod power abuse (unintended but I couldn't unsee it).
^^
Also to note Ironside's game: total boss, he didn't do a thing, night-action wise ahahhahaha
Actually the only action, was to disappear, so even more funny XD
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 21:43
This is just through D4.
Townie called for a mass reveal after the game is essentially over and nothing but townies had died. Nobody backed him up except me. We insisted on the reveal, and said we would vote for ourselves and therefore hold the game hostage unless there was a mass reveal.
The folks who insisted it was a horrible idea for the town WERE THE MAFIA. The townies complied.
We lynched 5 of the scumbags in a row and won.
Three mafia? What about 3 mafia and a sk?
He who reveals last, reveals least.
Lies are difficult to make up on the spot. You have to be confident they'll work even after other people claim.
My question to you is why do all scumbags, across forums, with different personalities, who haven't even heard of one another, act the same way?
Yes this is all very sense-making, I say while nodding convincingly.
But I can fail to protect you every night no problem.
It occurs to me, the obvious counter to all of this is a communist roleblocker.
Mafia has absolutely nothing to combat all that with if it's all true. It cannot be true.
SK gotta die, Monty. They don't get redeemed, didn't Andres teach you that?[...]Simply put, you're being a dreamer in a situation where pragmatism rules and is the rule.
You're right about one thing, there's no need when we have the time and the lynches and the suspects narrowed down.
Don't be knocking those with little faith, now.
I may not be a dyed-in-the-wood communist but I share the whole non-religion thing.
Ok fair enough I might be a dyed in the wool communist. I wanted the universal healthcare. Yeah I think food should be an inalienable right.
OH
OH EMPTY VOID WHERE OUR PRAYERS GO TO DIE
PLEASE DON'T KILL ME I"M NOT A MURDERER
I AM A TOWNIEEEEEE
Must be frustrating as all heck for the scum to have to deal with a mass-reviver role.
If town doesn't win this game as a massive curb-stomp I am going to be surprised.
You forgot the part about the "People's Elbow" and the "People's Champion". :wink:
If I had to guess based on the past day’s conversation, I’d say the last three (if there are three) scum are Ishmael, Arjos and Pizza. You guys are trying your damndest to direct the lynch in a manner that is beneficial to a scum win. I fear that today is critical in who we lynch, and if I am the one that is lynched then it may well be impossible for the town to win this. Unless of course we can rewind time again and get a bunch of do-overs.
Looks like the only thing I was wrong about was the amount of time left in the day. Someday people will start listening to me. :yes:
Please tell me what do you think about game balance.
I was a little bit affraid when I introduced 3 + 1 mafia, but I explained my reasons earlier. Do you think game was balanced?
Ironside
09-18-2012, 22:56
Well, at least I got that. Jesus, no wonder Ironside willingly went off. Wow.
Four Commies? You had a recruiter, didn't you? No wonder Pizza was never going on and on about possible recruiting abilities.
I won't misjudge you again, Jarema.
Yep, it was fun going from extremly suspect to totally innocent. I would probably have jumped myself if I was still under suspicion, but survived the day. I assume the time jump was to roleblock me? I didn't ask because of Arjos.
Partial screwup on my part for ending up there. I was thinking on revealing earlier, before it became clear that all others had extra abillities, but waited over the night. Tired in the morning, scimming the thread, seeing me getting voted on, responding quickly in the way planned before (and as a mafia godmother, expecting good cover). Then a few hours later, hey wasn't almost everybody having abillities? That can be a problem.
Bonuspoints for going :wall: Brickface screwed up, I wanted to be investigated, to oh ATPG, that went brilliant.
Brickface, did you get the message, or did you pretend to just to confuse us? As said in the qt, you were doing a very nice job of fooling us on who the traitor was.
Also to note Ironside's game: total boss, he didn't do a thing, night-action wise ahahhahaha
Actually the only action, was to disappear, so even more funny XD
That's called delegation. :verycool: It is probably record on least active mafia winner I think, in particular as time jumping counts negative (since it reduces the number of nights being active).
And well done fellow revolutionaries. :2thumbsup:
Please tell me what do you think about game balance.
I was a little bit affraid when I introduced 3 + 1 mafia, but I explained my reasons earlier. Do you think game was balanced?
I think so. 2 as base. +1 for the serial killer. +1 for mass resurrection. The traitor mechanic was nice with it's lack of synchronisation and weaker than a full 4 man team. 3 man team maybe. 2 +1 too weak.
Would the police find ATPG as a traitor?
Complaint about the godfather standing out on lack of abillities and this not really being known, but you knew that already.
Montmorency
09-18-2012, 23:07
Regardless of power roles, 1/3 of players as anti-town is always pushing it IMO. Had there been at least 18...
As I said at the start of the QT - I love being communist :beam:.
Well played everybody, as you can see it the quicktopic you had us worried at times. ATPG, kudos for having the guts to back the call for a mass reveal - I thought it would be a hindrance at first, but it turned out to be one of our major advantages in the end.
Diana Abnoba
09-19-2012, 02:09
Good job mafia! I need to learn to trust my gut more. I had doubts on most of you, but I didn't always speak up. Pizza you swine, I knew never to trust you fully (never do), but I thought we had more time for me to accuse you. I was still thinking at most there would have been 3 mafia total. :wall:
Thanks Jarema for a great game. Very interesting concept in this game that I've never played before. A lot of twisted player roles and powers.:bow:
Oh, well maybe next time town.:shame:
One question for you Jarema - what was with every man and his dog getting our supposedly secret message to the traitor? (as an aside, it's good that we didn't run with "Our beloved Comrade Pizza" like Arjos proposed at one stage :beam:)
it's good that we didn't run with "Our beloved Comrade Pizza" like Arjos proposed at one stage :beam:
Ahahahah that would've been hilarious XD
One question for you Jarema - what was with every man and his dog getting our supposedly secret message to the traitor? (as an aside, it's good that we didn't run with "Our beloved Comrade Pizza" like Arjos proposed at one stage :beam:)
Every assistant, professor Willess, and doctor Willenloss had a chance of geting it... IF they were not doing anything at night (if they were sitting at their homes, they were assumed to listen to the radio, and your message was sent through radio program)
As for scans:
1. for policewoman: godfather and traitor scanned innocent, also Igor if he pretended to be his brother, all other characters scanned accurate - but framer might frame them
2. for role-scanners: the only rolescanner was in mafia. Igor would scan as vigilante, or, if in his brother guise, as a professor
3. after death: godfather, traitor, and all Willenloss family would be described as "not clear"
Askthepizzaguy
09-19-2012, 21:30
This is just through D4.
There wasn't a thing I said this game that was townie. But that's because I was mafia.
I should point out I risked a lot by constantly nudging you guys in the right direction, saying things like:
1) The communists are hiding among the bodyguards. Myself and Arjos were communist.
2) There were more than two communists, obviously
3) Commies had a roleblocker, namely me
4) You should have double-protected people if you actually wanted them protected, since I could roleblock anyone. Having Arjos protect the same person Chaotix did meant we couldn't realistically attack that person without outing Arjos as scum.
5) I told you that our openly stating of our night actions would help the communists counter them. I was correct.
6) The folks that would have difficulty or look odd in a mass claim were the communists. 2 extra doctors, a guy who couldn't do anything, and yet another scanner? Please.
I would have said a lot of that same :daisy: as townie, because it's true and it's anti-mafia. But, I believe I can still win regardless of the good advice I gave you.
The mass claim hurt the town, but if you were skeptical of the duplicate roles, it would have been curtains for them.
Askthepizzaguy
09-19-2012, 21:37
You forgot the part about the "People's Elbow" and the "People's Champion". :wink:
Chaotix was correct, this was a blatant slap in the face of the town. I should have been lynched immediately here.
I was feeling cocky as hell by this point. Had the town running scared. A lot more confident than my teammates who thought they were doomed and overpowered.
I'm such a stinker.
Askthepizzaguy
09-19-2012, 21:39
Looks like the only thing I was wrong about was the amount of time left in the day. Someday people will start listening to me. :yes:
I would have if I wasn't trying to get you dead. You made perfect sense to me and I thought it was ridiculously obvious that you weren't mafia. But, the whole twins thing gave me an opening I didn't earn, but certainly hammered.
Had that round actually mattered, it would have been another one where the town suffered a defeat. Mesmerized, I think they called it.
Yeah, I kept waiting for someone - anyone - to back me up!
Askthepizzaguy
09-19-2012, 21:43
As I said at the start of the QT - I love being communist :beam:.
Well played everybody, as you can see it the quicktopic you had us worried at times. ATPG, kudos for having the guts to back the call for a mass reveal - I thought it would be a hindrance at first, but it turned out to be one of our major advantages in the end.
I generally do not play scared. A mass reveal is extremely useful to a roleblocker in particular, mind you.
I wanted to know who I needed to block to be the best use to you. I blocked people who tried to scan you, for example. Diana.
You have to be sure town can capitalize on the info; run properly, a town can do so. But this one suffered a bit by lack of reasoning on certain candidates and not enough pressure on others.
I was rarely put in a position of having to support via vote a lynch on my comrades. Made it easier to not vote for them.
We don't win the endgame; town would be too cleared and the rest would be too suspected and not cleared. We needed to win while our group was still mostly alive. I played specifically for a shutout, because any decent score by town would have been disastrous for us IMO, it extends the game and allows more time reversals, revivals, do-overs.
Montmorency
09-19-2012, 23:11
4) You should have double-protected people if you actually wanted them protected, since I could roleblock anyone. Having Arjos protect the same person Chaotix did meant we couldn't realistically attack that person without outing Arjos as scum.
5) I told you that our openly stating of our night actions would help the communists counter them. I was correct.
6) The folks that would have difficulty or look odd in a mass claim were the communists. 2 extra doctors, a guy who couldn't do anything, and yet another scanner? Please.
4. I didn't want anyone in particular protected on any night, at least not more so than others. Of course, once the towniest player was killed, I realized I should have doubled on them. But that's hindsight.
5. My fatal error in this game was assuming I had far more time than I really did. Two scum was a definite error. But after lynching Robbie, I figured we could just grind the scum through attrition and...
6. By that same logic, I would have lynched you, Diana, Brick...
Which witch is which?
Anyway, I think there have been enough crushing 4-scum victories this year. I'll be keeping an eye out.
Whilst Monty did direct town well based on the balance of probabilities, it did let the irregularities of this game through his net, but oh well.
The mafia seems to merge in very well, there is pain in the fact that those that posted the most were all innocent (ATPG will always be an exception to that rule though...) I'll take the fact that I voted for Ironside on multiple occasions as a shallow comfort, even thoug hmost of my hunches were incorrect. Although the sheer amount of mafia meant that they really could wrap town around there finger in the day time, which is supposed to be the one time town have a chance!
Even so, thanks for hosting the game Jarema. :bow:
NinjaCow64
09-20-2012, 07:20
Yeah, that was a good game. I have to say that Mafia Pizza is very, very scary. Good job everyone, especially the Mafia.
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