[SS 6.4]Clash of Gods! 2

[Myth]

https://imageshack.us/a/img854/2641/cog21.jpg

Points:

Westerners: 0/300
Easterners: 0/300



CLASH OF GODS! 2

And so it begins...

Team West:
Myth leading the Moorish Caliphate
Silver Shield leading the Kingdom of Poland
Nightbringer leading the Kngdom of France

vs.

Team East:
freakkriek leading the Turkish Sultanate
Mithridate leading the Republic of Novgorod
LooseCannon1 leading the Fatamid Caliphate


Victory conditions:

he first side to accumulate 300 points wins! Points are related to the respective side's target cities:

Target cities for the Westerners:

Cairo
Mecca
Constantinople
Kiev
Novgorod
Antioch

Must hold and have at 100% Catholic: Jerusalem and Baghdad as special objectives. Enemy team must not be holding Paris or London.


Target cities for the Easterners:

Rome
Tunis
Hamburg
Oslo
Cordoba
Caen

Must hold and have at 100% Muslim, Orthodox or Pagan: Paris and London as special objectives. Enemy team must not be holding Jerusalem or Baghdad.

Points are measured as such:

Capture target city: 10 points.
Hold target city: 5 points every turn.
Convert target city to 50% of your faith: 5 points (only if holding the settlement, awarded once)
Convert target city to 100% of your faith: 15 points (only if holding the settlement, awarded once)

Rules

Each player has 48 hours to complete his turn (not counting weekends). After that the Admin may skip his faction or he can be subbed.

Do not bypass or ignore zones of control to lift a siege (or in any other way).

Do not attack ships in ports.

Armies boarding ships in ports can't stay there for more than one turn.

Don't leave blockaded ports without beating the blockading ships first.

Don't stack merchants in armies or forts to get more than one to stand on the same resource (Merchant Fort)

No surrounding armies or agents to destroy them. (Surround&Destroy)

Don't attack units who were left next to a settlement in order to capture it on the same turn in order to cheat the garrison script. In fact don't cheat the garrison script period. (this only applies vs AI factions)

Don't use repeated offers for bribe to increase your faction leader's dread.

Enable "Unlimited men on battlefield" in order to not abuse when leading battles vs the AI (PM me for instructions, though SS has this on by default)

Armies that are defeated in battle by a player that comes after them in the turn list may not move the following turn. This is to make it fair for people who are defeated by players that come before them in the turn list, and thus lose all their movement points

Armies that are defeated in battle may not be attacked on the following turn, as they are banned from moving, either by the game mechanics or by the rule above. They must be allowed to move first, or must be reinforced. If the defeated army retreats to a settlement or fort, this rule does not apply.

Ballistas can't open anything, catapults can open wooden walls, trebuchets or better can open anything.

Assassins are allowed to target anyone but the players are limited to one assassination attempt per turn. It must be the first action they do, before they spend money or do anything else. Upon a successful assassination the game admin can load that player's save and attempt the assassination. If the results are different there will be penalties for cheating.

Spies are limited to one infiltration of a settlement/fort per turn, and it must be the first thing the player does, or the second one if the player also wishes to attempt an assassination. Upon a successful infiltration the game admin can load that player's save and attempt the infiltration. If the results are different there will be penalties for cheating.

Crusades and Jihads cannot be called, joined or used/exploited in any way.

ONLY religious buildings can be destroyed upon the conquest of a settlement and ONLY if they are of a religion different than your own.

No trading of provinces to receive free troops. If you trade provinces, make sure they have no garrison prior to the exchange.

No deliberate deals that would put you in debt above -10,000 florins.

How to set up your game:

Stainless Steel 6.4 Late Eara, Gracul AI (10 for aggressiveness), Disable Real Recruitment. DO NOT TICK ANYTHING ELSE EXCEPT RR AND THE CORRECT AI!

When the game starts, we pass down the save to the next player in line via PM and in a message here in this thread. Saves are archived (rar, zip etc.) and uploaded in the .org uploader or another similar file hosting service. The game will be set up at VH/VH, follow AI off, Manage All Settlements on, Long campaign, No advice, and there will be a battle time limit.

Helpful tips for those who are new to Hotseat games can be found here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?138876-The-comprehensive-guide-to-hotseat-play).

[Mithridate]

First off: nice work, looking really forward to this now :yes:

how about changing the spy rule, demanding 2 spies to open gates and a minimal success chance to infiltrate a set number between 60-80%? Previously infiltrated spies have to re-infiltrate if a spy is present. Spies should be contered with spies, even with set rules you can have say 5 spies near a target and simply try each one at the start... odds of success are big.

[Myth]

How about a minimum of 3 spies and we leave it at that? 3 turns of advanced preparation is quite adequate IMO. If someone consistently has 5 spies and alaways manages to get one in I'd call that pretty obvious reloading shenanigans.

Oh, and glad you like the title image!

First turn up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10280) LooseCannon1

[Mithridate]

But it can be very hard to prove, while having a "no opening gates/infiltrating when enemy spy is present" and/or % limit can be easily checked.
You all know what i think, up to the rest to voice

[Myth]

How would the player know the enemy has a spy inside? Is it 100% detection once you infiltrate?

[SilverShield]

alright i ll go with hre then. if u aint into the moors Myth im okay with them if u rather go with hre now


just forget about the spies i thought of it as a lil extra something like an extra linebacker to have a more bold blitz but whatever just leave them out

[Mithridate]

I really think we should have spies, they add a lot of strategy.

If you have a spy in your fort/city then the infiltration chance goes down to near nothing. An expert spy vs a useless defending one still have like 10% chance to infiltrate.
So you counter spies with spies. The minimal success chance would be to prevent some asshat to reload into a 5-15% chance fort ( now that my friends, is disgusting )

its easy for the admin to check too, simply use toggle_fow and select a spy and hold over whatever needs checking. v low chance = counterspy thus should not be possible to infiltrate. you can also usually see the ? in the agent when you move close and double click. But this way we have an easily regulated fair use of spies, no gray-area

2 spies to open any gates, You cannot open gates if the enemy has a counterspy. (easy to check by moving outside or with other spy, chance extremely low to infiltrate 5-20% = counterspy )

[LooseCannon1]

alright i ll go with hre then. if u aint into the moors Myth im okay with them if u rather go with hre now


just forget about the spies i thought of it as a lil extra something like an extra linebacker to have a more bold blitz but whatever just leave them out

You can't switch factions now as you would be getting the AI bonuses. Myth would need to pull the save and restart the game. And then notify freakkreik because he's playing Fatamids. I'm the Turks (and I've already sent him a pm about first save.)

[Nightbringer]

Wow, awesome title image Myth.

SilverShield, why do you want to switch? You can say in a pm if it is secret. :)

[freakkriek]

First of all... LOVING the game image!!!! Great work, truly impressed

Secondly, i have no "prefered" spie rules but at the moment I am confused about what is possible...
I don't understand why it has to be that defined. Can't you just state that it doesn't matter how many spies you have in a city but, as previously suggested, you need a 60% chance to open gates to actually make use of that situation.

Thirdly, still have some work to do but the save will be up by this evening.
Good luck guys, really looking forward to this game

[Mithridate]

The 60% is chance to infiltrate, not open gates

if you dont have any rules for spies it can easily be abused, poorly defined rules can be even worse.
Thus i say best no opening gates when enemy spy is present inside (counterspying) and 2 are needed to open gates (along those lines)

Or no spies, to keep it simple but slightly... less exciting and tactical :P

[freakkriek]

eu golden horde up??

Porbably to weaken them right?
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Myth

[SilverShield]

thats pretty obvious if novogorod is human the polish chances just aint that good anymore. i told Myth that im up for hre if novgorod is for real and thats whats up . i told him before this was even on when he sent the pm about what thrid faction was best. u know i sent 2 pms and in the second i told him exactly that. im up for hre if novgorod is human or moors if he aint into them. so thats whats up

or moors if hes more into hre



Wow, awesome title image Myth.

SilverShield, why do you want to switch? You can say in a pm if it is secret. :)

[Myth]

OK sorry for the confusion guys, I must have missed it somehow. I'll restart the game. I think it's best that we need 2 spies per city/settlement to open them, and we are limited to one spying attempt per turn. The defending spy thing will work only if there is a 100% chance for you to discover the enemy defending spy once you infiltrate and I'm not sure that's the case.

[Nightbringer]

thats pretty obvious if novogorod is human the polish chances just aint that good anymore. i told Myth that im up for hre if novgorod is for real and thats whats up . i told him before this was even on when he sent the pm about what thrid faction was best. u know i sent 2 pms and in the second i told him exactly that. im up for hre if novgorod is human or moors if he aint into them. so thats whats up

or moors if hes more into hre

I think something went wrong because I never received that from from you, and it sounds like maybe myth didn't either. In any case, that makes sense.

As for spies, I would support simply making it so that you have to have at least a 60% chance of success for you to be allowed to assault a city independent of the normal siege weapon rules.

[LooseCannon1]

thats pretty obvious if novogorod is human the polish chances just aint that good anymore. We were worried for Novgorod against Poland.:yes: We thought you might have a good chance before the Turks could get there in support.


That title image is awesome. hope it's easy to change.

Two spies/one infiltration attempt per turn sound like good rules.

[Mithridate]

To notice a defending spy one only has to check with a different spy (infiltration chance) or move outside and check infiltration chance with the already infiltrated spy (aye, thats a reload) Id much rather have no spies over 1 attempt/turn mainly due to abuse. Hell for admin to check and hell easy to manipulate and even harder to prove, but if you go for it then i shall oblige.

Novgorod vs HRE... will not be fun but what can a man do :P Im much more worried now than i was before, instead of a tight and intense war i shall face waves of Germans a little further into the future xD

[Myth]

OK guys let's make it 2 spies minimum to open doors. Two turns of consecutive infiltration attempts and don't bring a horde of spies so at least one would get in upon realoads. Rules, like contracts, are made for good people (that's a saying in Bulgaria). Let's stay honest and play for fun and victory, but be advised that if you are caught reloading to change agent success chance you will be kicked out of this game and might also be penalized further. So let's all agree to play and have at it!

BTW I checked the HRE starting position - they have so many armies it's scary. Their roster is a bit lackluster at start, but it's nothing bad. The Moorish roster is worse IMO.

[SilverShield]

man just leave the spies out. i just had the whole thing wrong alright true that i thought it was an easy issue but alright i see it aint and i already see the whole spy thing as a matter of grieving and anger already so really best just them leave them out. i see us better off without them

[Myth]

OK guys the updated save is up. First turn for the Fatamids. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10285) LooseCannon1

It's HRE-Fance-Moors vs. Fatamids-Turks-Novgorod

[freakkriek]

Mongols are up
Myth

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[Mithridate]

I see youre online Myth... so bump^^

[Myth]

Online yes, but at work :laugh4:

If you can, just log in, dismiss all the Mongol stacks, gather their FMs in Urgench and move forward with the turns.

[Mithridate]

What would you do without me? :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd7YrynfIX4Im simply vital for any operation :rolleyes:
LooseCannon1 or freakkriek is up?

[LooseCannon1]

France up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10290)

[Nightbringer]

HRE up! SilverShield
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10291

[Myth]

I PMed Silver because tagging him won't send an e-mail notification and he relies on those.

[LooseCannon1]

I PMed Silver because tagging him won't send an e-mail notification and he relies on those.

Yes, I've stopped tagging and returned to PMs as I think those work better.

[SilverShield]

i see that was a interesting turn already i believe cog 2 will be good

moors up
http://depositfiles.com/files/37sp53cso



yea i do favor pms

[Myth]

Sorry for the delay, I was on a business trip. Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10295) Mithridate

The Moors have a very interesting starting position, I agree with that. How are the Fatamids doing?

[Mithridate]

Next

[freakkriek]

Turks are up,

I moved one Mongolian FM to Urgench and that's it

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[LooseCannon1]

France up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10299)

[Nightbringer]

HRE up SilverShield
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10300

[SilverShield]

moors up
http://depositfiles.com/files/ojnz96enn

[Myth]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10302) Mithridate

I have a newfound respect for Moorish jav-cav. They shred western General's Bodyguards units like paper.

[Mithridate]

next LooseCannon1

[LooseCannon1]

next LooseCannon1:no:

No, I'm not. Message forwarded to freakkriek.

[Myth]

Ha! Discord in the eastern team? :laugh4:

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xPfMb50dsOk
Youre saying that as if its a bad thing :)

[freakkriek]

sry guys don't have time tonight, save will be up by tonight

btw love the song :p
but someone has to explain me why ponies are so popular here and on twc :)

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EMwdj8bWBy0Its a good show, and with many people on the geeky side the extremely strong fandom really attracts as things gets spread around so much opening peoples eyes. It amuses me greatly that a major part of the officials, modders etc are bronies / even using Pony avatars^^

All in all, because its an open minded place with a large diversity of mostly good people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7uy-zfrkf4Theres stuff for everyone, and trust me when i say it all becomes 20% cooler and twice as awesome when you´ve actually watched the show :)

[Nightbringer]

Or you can just accept that the world's gone mad, and do your best to not be noticed. :)

[LooseCannon1]

Or you can just accept that the world's gone mad, and do your best to not be noticed. :)Not yet. The world is safe with My Little Pony. But when the rest of the world getsHONEY BOO BOO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l9nbhzKaqvA It's time to dig a hole, climb in, and pull the dirt in on top of you.

[Nightbringer]

You know what, if My Little Pony is defending us from Honey Boo Boo, I'll call myself a supporter.

[Mithridate]

Take a proper look at the show and some of the fanwork, and youll even be a fan i recon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_kCvUAcbriY

[freakkriek]

Pony's or Honey boo boo...
This world is just going way out of control

anyway the Turks are up

BTW: what has been decided on the mongols? is it the plan to just remove them from the game or what?
Their last city was under siege, i sallied out and won with only family members on automate...

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[SilverShield]

horses and bayonets


You know what, if My Little Pony is defending us from Honey Boo Boo, I'll call myself a supporter.

[SilverShield]

and Honey Boo Boo endorsed Barry. thats a lib conspiracy aint it. Fat and Furious. Geraldo and Hannity are on it hard. tho seriously Honey Boo Boo saw that lil lump on Kimmel last week had no idea about it but thats just x



i did just realize that Loose Cannon is living in a battleground state. so Honey Boo Boo aint nothing to the politics hell u in right now aint it man. a friend of mine from Cincinnati told me its just insane. she already fled the state. curious if theres already horses and bayonets adds. tho that thing made me laugh. Mitt took it up the ass. tho seriously this whole thing just went crazy. im just x lucky we just aint got that. they gave me some anti Meg Whitman adds last year but thats all. guess aint that fun when u in a swing state those days. but alright thats u guyses hell if u cant stop swinging. Loose just aint up for a serious relationship. hes just swinging. d cannon always on d loose. LooseCannon1 now i get it. anyways was worse if u was in Iowa right. at least it aint cold

[Mithridate]

You really should not compare "ponies" and Honey boo boo :)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDdL4z5qfr4
The one is something utterly corrupt and filthy, the other what id call a beacon of light for quality and progress.
(yes, ponies = progress in this case^^) That we´re not so narrow minded and shut to new things and change not to mention:

That professional animators and writers make their own stuff from a supposed "show for little girls" says more than a little,
but as with most animes/cartoons its not for everyone. Tho it has long since reached the point that even if the series ends abruptly, fans will carry it on for quite some time.

Now, im not a diehard brony but i do spam these vids. Please indulge me for i love posting clips associated even loosely with events. (and i want 500 posts^^)

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a27oq09lhPw
Ah why not, its a good summary and an extra post^^ Fits me pretty well too

[Myth]

Just leave the Mongols be, best if they're destroyed by the AI (there was no need to sally).

[LooseCannon1]

Mithridate How dare you call that po' white trash "corrupt and filthy":laugh4: Ok, I'll give you filthy. The little girl is six years old and only does what her mother tells her to do. No, i don't watch that show as I don't watch any "reality" tv (with the exceptions of KItchen Nightmares and home rebuilding shows).

SilverShield. Yes, I have to quick on the mute button or swap channels as it's one Obama ad followed by a Rommney ad followed by all the local politicians. And then there are the robo-calls and the email spam/ Can't wait for November 7th. Then it'll just be Apple vs Samsung and Honda vs Toyota:dizzy2:

France up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10304

[Mithridate]

Its more in a broad sense for said crap on TV :no:

Ron Paul for president btw, will he be around next time i wonder

[Nightbringer]

In the interest of avoiding dispute here, if you guys would like to talk politics please feel free to create a thread, or join one, in the backroom. :)

[Mithridate]

Killjoy

[Nightbringer]

As I said, feel free to continue in the backroom.

[Mithridate]

Sorry NB, what i meant was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73KBozIDcbo

[Nightbringer]

in any case, SilverShield, HRE up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10305

[SilverShield]

im outta town guys still i got this up tomorrow

[SilverShield]

alright moors up
http://depositfiles.com/files/tssb4g8pd

[Myth]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10309) Mithridate

I'll admit that Fari Cavalry are pretty darn good, and though they're no Longbowmen, Desert Archers get the job done better than most low tier ranged units.

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wr_6LAivHdU&feature=player_embedded#!
Novgorod Rising

[freakkriek]

Turks are up

Since I have recieved no orders about Mongol conduct, I am just improving the city they are currently stacked in. And every scripted stack i get will be disbanded.

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LooseCannon1

[Myth]

The orders were to let them die peacefully.

[LooseCannon1]

Is anyone else having a problem with movement points? My generals don't move as far as they did on turn 1. In fact, they now move less than infantry units. I've checked against movement in singleplayer and there is a difference. can everyone check and compare. It's not a game breaker but irritating. France up

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10313

[Nightbringer]

My generals don't have any movement rate issues. There are a lot of trait and attendants that can affect movement rate though, did you check for that?

SilverShield HRE up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10314

[Myth]

Mine are fine, I'd have noticed since I used a GB/cav squad to attack farther than my foot soldiers.

[LooseCannon1]

No unknown traits or ancillaries. Sultan has only added Privy Seal and Lord High Steward. No traits. Problem does not effect my one adoptee, only the starting Generals. I'll have one child come of age next turn, let's see what happens then.

[Mithridate]

Ive had no issues as my generals move as ridiculously far as always, very strange bug :inquisitive:

[Nightbringer]

perhaps it is only eastern GB? freakkriek, have you noticed anything?

[SilverShield]

im on this guys fought a giant one yesterday and 2 really big ones just now. too busy for more of this now so later today or early tomorrow. too much of this for my computer right now anyway the x thing just went down right when thr 3rd one was almost over how about that huh x that

[SilverShield]

man that was a lotta battles this round

moors up
http://depositfiles.com/files/qde3lke8v

[Myth]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10322) Mithridate

[Mithridate]

Should have it up by tomorrow, been busy and its a relatively big turn.

Sorry for the delay :shame:

[Myth]

Just to remind everyone, we're on a "Spies can't open anything" rule to prevent griefing.

[Mithridate]

pardon the wait :)

[SilverShield]

as far is i know the rule on spies is different i already took genoa with agents


Spies are limited to one infiltration of a settlement/fort per turn, and it must be the first thing the player does, or the second one if the player also wishes to attempt an assassination. Upon a successful infiltration the game admin can load that player's save and attempt the infiltration. If the results are different there will be penalties for cheating.



Just to remind everyone, we're on a "Spies can't open anything" rule to prevent griefing.

[Nightbringer]

LooseCannon, since you didn't mithridate :)

[Myth]

Oh, well then. Should we leave it at one per turn?

[Nightbringer]

either is fine by me

[Mithridate]

Id really prefer no spies vs humans to keep it simple, allowing it vs AI ( generally it is, i have used vs AI thus far twice )
Much as i trust people being honest, i much prefer keeping it clear cut so we wont have to second guess what ifs and painstaking work for admins

Please, no spies with the exception vs AI

[LooseCannon1]

LooseCannon, since you didn't mithridate :)

:laugh4: That's not me. I've got a big ONE at the end of my name! And I'm not Egypt, I'm the Turks so that should have been freakkriek

[Mithridate]

and freakkriek is to be PM'd ( in the TWC at that )
But he is late over there as well... bah

[Nightbringer]

well, uh, ya, I am just wrong in every regard XD

[freakkriek]

sorry for the delay guys, had some pretty big deadline to catch, it'll be up soon

[freakkriek]

really sorry for the delay guys.
Thx for Mithridate who warns me on twc

Turks are up LooseCannon1

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[Myth]

Egypt, Turks - it matters little to us. The Moors practice the only real law of Islam and your false sects must be show the error of their ways.

[SilverShield]

man i dont know about this whole spy situation in this game. i thought u said it was 2 agents a city at least tho if novgorod took 2 cities with agents already it is just one agent a city then? i took genoa with 2 agents while one went in a season. so thats wrong then? one then is good already? u know i took what u said on the first page as the final word on this matter so i made it 2 per city. if its just 1 i d had a whole nother game here. so whats the final ruling on all that

[SilverShield]

a big loose cannon in the Tampa Bay area. man Loose for real is a general


I've got a big ONE

[Mithridate]

man i dont know about this whole spy situation in this game. i thought u said it was 2 agents a city at least tho if novgorod took 2 cities with agents already it is just one agent a city then? i took genoa with 2 agents while one went in a season. so thats wrong then? one then is good already? u know i took what u said on the first page as the final word on this matter so i made it 2 per city. if its just 1 i d had a whole nother game here. so whats the final ruling on all thatFirst time i used 1 spy on Serbonskaya, to get the AI to sally vs my general and 1 unit ( killed a lot of HA cheaply ) then retreated. Then i besieged with my main force, took it the turn after. Reduced losses by a little for me but mainly just made my general badass^^

Second time was on a Lithuanian castle with 2 spies, i cold take it by attacking the general standing outside it but he had a lot of cav archers and i hate having to chase them down so i chose to do that. Losses would have been about the same, or less had i not assaulted.

Ive only used spies to reduce losses/frustration, never to take something i could not due to being unsure about the rules that we are still seemingly disagreeing upon

Please, make it clear for the future. As early novgorod i have very few siege engines making it hard to expand fast, while the HRE have a lot of them.
I kinda need the ability to use spies, ive been lucky thus far however with the AI placing units outside his regions for me to attack

As stated, id like NO spies opening gates allowed except vs AI or free use (with a % restriction to prevent the death due to over 9000 reloads)
Anything else is simply a pain in the ass, to obey and enforce alike
Myth

Can i use spies VS ai or not

[Myth]

OK let's make it clear. You need two spies to open the gates of a city, AI or human. Infiltrating must be the first thing you do on the turn (or second if you assassinate something). If you have a pack of 10 spies next to a city so at least one would go in on the first try I'd suspect you of loading, so play fair.

So far nothing has been taken earlier due to only one spy infiltrating as far as I can tell but plan accordingly and use 2 to make it fair for all of us. I personally haven't used spies like that yet, Portugal and Aragorn have been kind enough to let me maul their armies in the open field.

[Mithridate]

If you have a pack of 10 spies next to a city so at least one would go in on the first try I'd suspect you of loading, so play fair.Exactly what i do not want, keeping it clear cut is the way

But, youre the admin, ill bend my knee grudgingly or not and shall keep to this

[Myth]

What exactly do you begrudge? How would you have it?

[Mithridate]

2 spies to open gates and a minimal success chance to infiltrate at 60% Previously infiltrated spies have to re-infiltrate if an enemy spy is present.
A screen must be posted showing the infiltrated spies as proof.

Simple rules for a simple game, screens for each spys odds is nice but not needed.

This pretty much eliminates reloading and makes spies a valid and simple tool in war. a rank 3 spy gets 60% odds usually and no matter how good a spy is, he wont get more than 20% ish chance to infiltrate a place with an enemy spy in it, regarless of its rank.
The % bar is needed as ive had people reload spies into my fort that i had spies inside... one of em had 8% chance to infiltrate, other 10%
This is borderline ridiculous, thus the need. 30% and basically any spy can infiltrate but still wont be allowed if an enemy spy is present

My main grudge is that its incredible hard to regulate, check and prove anything under current rulesAs stated, its easy to see if the enemy have a defensive spy, odds to infiltrate will be ridiculously low. the re-infiltrate thing is to eliminate the loophole of an earlier infiltration being impossible to prevent from opening gates despite you specifically placing your own spies in the region/fort to counter said spies. (with luck you can assasinat them, if not you have to wait for them to be discovered on their own)

If not that, then id hardline NO opening gates except vs AI as its simply too easy to abuse and way too hard to check (not to mention prove)

[Myth]

Just help me understand here. Infiltration you mean actually right clicking and having the spy enter the settlement/fort, right? Not the % chance to open the gates next turn? So basically unless you have 60% chance to infiltrate/enter that spot, you just don't right click it until:

1. You assassinate the enemy defensive spy
2. The enemy moves the spy
3. Your guy gets better and has a higher %

??? If that's so, people will reload to train up their spies on enemy stacks... I'd say leaving spies against AI and no spies against humans is better and cleaner, but I'd like to hear what the others are saying.

Overall though I think all of us are beyond such petty reloading.

[Mithridate]

Just help me understand here. Infiltration you mean actually right clicking and having the spy enter the settlement/fort, right? Not the % chance to open the gates next turn? Exactly!


So basically unless you have 60% or more chance to infiltrate/enter that spot, you just don't right click it (infiltrate)l:
Indeed,, unless you have 60% or higher you are not allowed to infiltrate with the spy


1. You assassinate the enemy defensive spy
2. The enemy moves the spy
3. Your guy gets better and has a higher %
Indeed to all (even a maxed spy wont get a good enough % vs a lvl 0 spy), because unless that spy/all defending spies leaves or dies you wont get odds higher than 20% or so. Because the minimum chance needed is 60% to infiltrate



??? If that's so, people will reload to train up their spies on enemy stacks... I'd say leaving spies against AI and no spies against humans is better and cleaner Im all good with that, but I'd like to hear what the others are saying.

Overall though I think all of us are beyond such petty reloading.Even if you have an elite spy, he will never be able to get over 20% ish chance against a town/castle or fort that has a defending spy inside
People will train up their spies regardless, i dont see how that is an issue :shrug: I am not above reloading, i dont do excessive reloading tho

Opening gates vs AI only works, supported by silver too.
A shame, spies are great tools :yes: adds a lot of strategy to waging a war

[LooseCannon1]

The Turks have the best spies in the world.:rolleyes: When I see an 80% chance I know my guy is going to die.:wall: :laugh4: I didn't bother reloading just to keep him

No restrictions on use vs AI. No opening gates of human settlements. -That's my opening statement. I can't decide if allowing spy use against fort is good or bad.

[SilverShield]

i aint up for that stuff of this many agents and that much percentage and counter spies and whatever. and i aint up for constant nonsense just because i had a certain amount of agents in one certain area. i always got tons of agents in one area recon is my craft thats it. so yea i favor banning spies from opening anything in this game. in the first cog we still managed to have a good game without spies

[Myth]

Nightbringer thoughts?

[Nightbringer]

I this point, I think I too would favor just banning spies from opening gates against human players.

[Mithridate]

So it is settled then?

No spies opening gates except vs AI

[Myth]

Use two spies to open vs. the AI and not open anything vs. human players.

[LooseCannon1]

Still having movement problems. Must be a hidden trait or a variation based on the version of M2TW Myth uses. I think the SS movement problems always show up in European versions of the game.

France up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10329

[Nightbringer]

HRE up! SilverShield
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10331

[SilverShield]

moors up
http://depositfiles.com/files/khwyu0cxq

[SilverShield]

tho i see its still just one infiltration a season and its the first or second thing to do right then? at least thats how i did



Use two spies to open vs. the AI and not open anything vs. human players.

[Myth]

tho i see its still just one infiltration a season and its the first or second thing to do right then? at least thats how i did

Ayup.

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0P1gESvjY6Y&feature=related
Cmon^^ Its all so incredibly slow, the way of the trone room i fear

[Myth]

Silver played his turn a few hours ago and I will post mine today.

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10332) Mithridate

Regarding the train a general function in SS - GB units have 0 upkeep, replenish for free and are the best cav in the game (for a long while at least). I suggest we do not abuse them - hire one if you need him to lead a stack or govern a city, but don't make superstacks of 12 GB units. Eastern generals are especially bad.

[Mithridate]

Actually, they cost 200 in upkeep each( more for heirs and FLs due to larger units )
Its deducted from wages, not army upkeep. The bodyguard detail showing 0 is incorrect

They are amazing against the AI :P

[freakkriek]

Hi, guys currently on a project. I won't be at my computer tonight so save will be up by tomorrow. It'll probably still be in the acceptable time table, but since some already "feared" I wouldn't be reliable i thought it would be best posting this just in case =D

[LooseCannon1]

Regarding the train a general function in SS - GB units have 0 upkeep, replenish for free and are the best cav in the game (for a long while at least). I suggest we do not abuse them - hire one if you need him to lead a stack or govern a city, but don't make superstacks of 12 GB units. Eastern generals are especially bad.
Actually, it's scholarii,(unit size and AP maces for secondary weapon) then lancers, gendarmes, Late western GBs-all ahead of eastern GBs. But the top three have very limited availability and there are other cavalry that are better than early GBs unless you are auto-resolving.

[Myth]

Yes but if you read my post you see for a long while. At the start of the Late campaign none of these are available except for Scholarii. Lancers, Gendarmes and Gothic Knights we can get after the year 1350 or something which is way, waaaay longer than any hotseat has a chance of reaching. Plus auto replenishing > having to trudge back to Constantinople to retrain.

Though Scholarii are imbalanced for sure, mass GB units are a pain in the ass especially this early where we still don't have so many recruitment centres to spam and retrain cav. Currently eastern generals trump western ones by a wide margin, though with the coming of full plate I suppose the west will pick up.

[Mithridate]

GB are way better, not om pure stats ofc but due to being easy to get and in large numbers, cheap and replenishes for free

They hands down win and allows you to steamroll the AI immediately while it can be reasonably challenging without em :)

[LooseCannon1]

Yes, but GBs require a Fortress and then take 20 turns to replenish. It's rare for a player to have 4 (or more) fortresses in the first 50 turns. In UDS as Egypt (late era SS skip game) I only had 12 generals for my first 20 regions. Had to recruit six generals and most of those guys were 2 star (or worse). Only one was above 2. But as an eastern faction I have a counter for any general in a fought battle. :on_bash:.

[freakkriek]

Turks are up

7992
LooseCannon1

[LooseCannon1]

france up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10337

[Nightbringer]

HRE up! SilverShield
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10338

[Myth]

I'm not saying don't hire genreals, I'm saying use them as intended - as governors or army leaders. Don't abuse their rather overpowered status as self-replenishing cav in mass numbers.

[SilverShield]

naw man i ll always use generals in any way possible in the field. if u cant agree with that okay but thats just too much for me then. i gotta have strategic freedom in this game. if i think that in theory a 20 general army is best in some situation then this is just whats up. if i cant use any unit in any way in the field possible then thats it for me. aint worth nothing if i dont have strategic freedom. im okay with banning spies and not destroying buildings and some of the other stuff we got but thats about it. theres a limit to rules. and just as i see some retarded rules to lower the amount of concussions killing football i see this game here no longer being fun for me if i dont have strategic freedom

[Mithridate]

I stand with silver

besides, a general stack is easily bested in AR.

Since we allow fighting which is already broken beyond repair,
lets not try to repair with something akin to Papier-mâché?

[Myth]

Fine then, if you guys are ok with this.

[SilverShield]

alright then. i got this up later today then

[SilverShield]

alright seeing how the game is heating up now. i like that

moors up
http://depositfiles.com/files/h1wujuofa

[Slaists]

Want another player?

[Mithridate]

Want another player?Havent seen you around hotseating before, i bid thee:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ix7vrluEm4EIm ok with space being made for you on either team here, do you have hotseating experience?

Nightbringer or Myth should know if theres other hotseats here with need of a player besides vikingatid (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142226-TLK-3-06-Vikingetid/page2). If youre willing theres open slots for a couple hotseats over on the .com forum, throw me a pm there ( mithridate (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/member.php?u=137713) ) and ill help you out.

[Slaists]

I've played a few KGCM hotseats on twcenter before the activity died out on that mod about 2 years ago. Due to my own RL obligations I do not have time fore more than one hotseat [to be more exact, the small group I played with disintegrated due to RL commitments]; but would like to find one to join. I have SS 6.4 installed on my new rig, hence my post here. :)

[SilverShield]

u can feel welcomed as a new player around here at the throne room. i think we are pretty much full in cog here tho. if we had someone else so it was a 4 v 4 then alright but 3 v 4 aint that good really. tho anyway i only see factions in this game that are already under attack and pretty much down already



Want another player?

[SilverShield]

how about u d join that game man?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142408-BC-2-3-Empires-of-the-East/page3

broken crescent is really cool its fun to play this



I've played a few KGCM hotseats on twcenter before the activity died out on that mod about 2 years ago. Due to my own RL obligations I do not have time fore more than one hotseat [to be more exact, the small group I played with disintegrated due to RL commitments]; but would like to find one to join. I have SS 6.4 installed on my new rig, hence my post here. :)

[Slaists]

how about u d join that game man?

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?142408-BC-2-3-Empires-of-the-East/page3

broken crescent is really cool its fun to play this

Thanks, I'll give it a try. First need to get BC working though. The last time I tried, it was CTD'ing constantly, LOL. Maybe because I have a Steam version of MTW 2 install.

[SilverShield]

well yea this really is a problem with broken crescent. i somewhat see it is a bigger problem i thought of. was really bad if someone had the same problem rickinator had now just way later in then. not sure about the whole thing really. i somewhat think a new stainless steel game was a better option. we could start a new 6.4 campaign. no technical problems there ever. none i heard of at least. and im pretty sure we have a decent bunch of players here now. if anyone here in cog was in and rickinator also was yea i think we d have a decent number of players for a new game

[Mithridate]

SS 6.4 often seem to suffer from a movement bug making it so you can only move 1 square with generals, as loose have reported even here...
It can be overcome by adding +movement traits tho, without too much trouble for the admin

Imho SS 6.4 is by far the best hotseat mod but should be restricted to contain certain areas and not the entire world, thus making it far more intense with less players, faster turns and more action. The only real issue with SS 6.4 besides tending to get the movement bug would be that you can get ridiculous amounts of +movement for generals

[LooseCannon1]

But the SS movement bug showed up in Stouff's restricted area game. And they haven't played on far enough yet to prove they fixed it. My generals move less than infantry in this game. I think it has something to do with the game version used to set up the hotseat. For example, I have the original US boxed versions of both M2TW and Kingdoms, not Gold or any later version. I'd REALLY like to know what version Myth uses.

[Mithridate]

I also use non-steam non gold regular for both

Its not really a solution, but a counter that works.
The bug remains, and can appear again probably. But is counteractable

[Nightbringer]

i use non steam non gold version as well.

[SilverShield]

no idea what version im on. bought it abroad under shady circumstances kinda. this kid said it was a international version or something where u had several languages but the whole language thing is kinda broken. guess he just x me over

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Iongb85ijI&feature=BFa&list=PLapJ6EDnMCbNWzpBuHzhXTidGvQYlKfXg
Myth for both this and Europa I :thinking2:

[Myth]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10343) Mithridate

I know I'm up and I'll post more tomorrow since these past few days my gf came to visit and I've hardly had time to post :)

[Mithridate]

hot damn, ive forgotten xD

freakkriek

[freakkriek]

Turks are up LooseCannon1

8122

[Myth]

Slaists this game has pre-set teams of 3v3 so it is not open to late entry unfortunately. Would you be interested in another game? We have been meaning to start a Britannia AR game, and there's talk of restarting Empires of the East in another mod.

[LooseCannon1]

France up https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10349

[Nightbringer]

HRE up SilverShield
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10351

[SilverShield]

im outta town still. the way things are right now im in later tomorrow

[Myth]

Don't worry about it Silver.

[SilverShield]

alright its on nothing much yet just a lil naval incident in the north but its on

moors up
http://depositfiles.com/files/q4akc8igv

[Myth]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10354) Mithridate

Things are heating up if I judge by the territory rankings!! By the way, what ever happened to our good friends the Mongols?

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11yGQ6jllF4
The Kievan Rus are no more as the Legion takes over ruling of the now united Orthodox state.
In the west, the Order resist us even without a home to fight for... in the name of Terrato the Guardian they will be put down once and for all!
Rumors speak of the Empires spreading conquest, their black banners having been spotted by our vigilant watch

It will not be long now, war is coming... The cold winds are rising

[freakkriek]

Some things have come up, and won't be able to play till the weekend. So sending some PM to my team mates for a sub

[SilverShield]

alright i can imagine an epic war in this game

[Mithridate]

Seljuks

[Myth]

LooseCannon1 hold on for a moment, I need to set the Teutonic Order to human lead since they are a horde faction.

[Nightbringer]

bump Myth :)

[Mithridate]

Myth is gone until 2 January

Guys, I wish you all happy holidays and want to let you know that I am away from tomorrow until the 2nd of January, 2013.

[Myth]

LooseCannon1 new save. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10357)

[LooseCannon1]

France up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10358)

[Nightbringer]

HRE up! SilverShield
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10359

[SilverShield]

happy new year guys

moors up
http://depositfiles.com/files/bzk8asybf

[Myth]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10360) Mithridate

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zpPHFexPcMLyrics:
The clouds rolling overhead block out all the light
The twisting trees and branches are an ominous sight
You know that something's watching, hear a howl in the night
And beneath your calm exterior you tremble with fright

Your legs begin to shake, and your tail starts to sway
You feel its hunger for you as you try to hide your dismay
You think you might be able to keep the beast at bay
But heed your better judgment; you know it's unwise to stay,

SO YOU BETTER RUN AWAY

A mighty bellow signals that the hunt has commenced
You start to hoof it, bending to your own common sense
You know no one's around to help you mount a defense
And as you run, the air you're breathing starts to get dense

You try not to stumble, legs aquiver with fear
And all its vicious snarling is like a gun in your ear
Adrenaline numbs your body as it kicks into gear
You see your peaceful village and you finally think you're clear

BUT YOUR DOOM DRAWS EVER NEAR

Run from the Manticore
It senses your fear
So there's nowhere to hide, now

It's a creature like no other before:
A feral killing machine
So you should stay inside, now

Cower before the Manticore
Under cover of night
It'll beat you til you're black and blue

A terrifying carnivore;
You better watch your back because
It's gonna make a filly out of you

You loose a cry for help as you duck into town
You feel the massive tremors when its paws hit the ground
Your fellow ponies wake from the cacophonous sound
But no one tries to save you from the monster inbound

You collapse, exhausted from your perilous hike
The realization hits you that your head's on a pike
You bow before the manticore with tears in your eyes
You close your eyes in horror as you wait for its blow to strike

IT'S GONNA END YOUR LIFE TONIGHTDamn good one, and very suitable lyrics^^

Imperial spies have been found on the borders of our lands...
it will not be long now, the people prepare for the long war to come

Tremble imperials, you close on naught but death and destruction
We shall stand, we shall fight and we shall never surrender!

[freakkriek]

hi guys I am sorry but I have a big exam on monday so I won't be able to play before then if it's possible i would like to have an extension till then and otherwise my teammates can sub me

[LooseCannon1]

hi guys I am sorry but I have a big exam on monday so I won't be able to play before then if it's possible i would like to have an extension till then and otherwise my teammates can sub me

I'll sub them for you.

[LooseCannon1]

France up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10362)

[Mithridate]

bump Nightbringer

same for Europa admin, when youve got time over ;)

[Nightbringer]

SilverShield
HRE up!
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10367

[SilverShield]

moors up
http://depositfiles.com/files/551irei8t

[Myth]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10372) Mithridate

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unhNOEpQSJQ
Hiding in castles, from the Novgorodian hordes... With all your wealth and abundance, superior numbers and men

Typical

[freakkriek]

hi guys, big exam monday morning so won't be able to play untill then.
if the wait is too long Loose can sub me again other wise i'll gladly play monday
sorry for all the delays but it's exam and paper season.... i feel like I'm being hunted

[LooseCannon1]

hi guys, big exam monday morning so won't be able to play untill then.
if the wait is too long Loose can sub me again other wise i'll gladly play monday
sorry for all the delays but it's exam and paper season.... i feel like I'm being hunted
That's ok I've got the save. Fatamids subbed. Turks will be played within 24 hours.

[Myth]

Good man!

[LooseCannon1]

France is up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10375)

[Nightbringer]

HRE up! SilverShield
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10376

[SilverShield]

aw man that was wild u know i bribed a novgo catapult unit and with the very same catapult i took out another novgo catapult unit. cata v cata onslaught. man that was fun. but anyways. guys im off for about 6 months. i hate that i gotta go but i gotta take an offered opportunity. they took me a out of d blue a bit kinda but this thing is huge this is a big thing some important task so yea u know i gotta go there. thats my thing my life. gotta do what u gotta do and gotta do what ur doing best right. if things will be alright i see me back in about 6 months to get some stuff rolling with u guys again. i d like that. anyways u guys enjoy the game i know u ll have a great one. imma be checking how u guys are doing when theres some time and some net. so yea go team west i know u ll win this thing. oorah

moors up
http://depositfiles.com/files/dubk07npc

[Myth]

Too bad we lost Silver. We'll need a worthy replacement for the mantle of the HRE Kaiser.

Novgorod up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10378) Mithridate got anyone in mind? This would be a good chance to bring someone over from the TWC who is comfortable with lead battle games.

[Mithridate]

Nice move with the cata, and bloody shame you have to go away... Was looking forward to testing my mettle

A few names, ill ask around Myth

Fatmids up, would have appreciated if i was told that my hiding army in sweden was conveniently found by what happened to be an all cav/mostly general army.

[SilverShield]

ur army was first found by an agent on his way east. i made up my army after the agent ran into urs. thats whats up. but whatever no more of that kinda x anymore so yea one good thing about being outta this

[Myth]

Silver has a habit of not talking about anything in-game unless it was something remarkable. Keeps you on your toes :laugh4: I must tell you Mithridate that there is no general rule that we must tell the enemy what happened this turn. It's one's own responsibility to keep track of their armies and settlements. That we usually do it anyway on the .org is because we used to be very RP focused, and in-character bragging of victories is sweet nectar upon the lips. But don't do it to Silver, he just likes straight up quiet war, in which he's won all of his here.

[Mithridate]

I see, about a new HRE... Having a lil problem turning up with someone, but i shall keep looking.
Are you ok with it being a relatively new player, or is it required to be a tested player or preferably good proven player? Myth

[Mithridate]

I see, about a new HRE... Having a lil problem turning up with someone, but i shall keep looking.
Are you ok with it being a relatively new player, or is it required to be a tested player or preferably good proven player? Myth

[Nightbringer]

I'm okay with someone new. After all, you are still but a young-in yourself mithridate XD

In all seriousness though, I would be glad to have anyone that is interested :)

[Myth]

Well, we got a request from Darth Feather so the position is filled for now.

[freakkriek]

hi guys, currently on vacation and not at the "home base", just recieved word of my turn. Save downloaded and put on USB, save will be played this evening when i return from the beach.
Sorry for the delays but the circomstances are killing me, in any case no doubt should be there, tonight the turks will be able to continue

[Darth Feather]

I am kinda new to hotseat gaming, so I might die early on. But I can take over .

[Nightbringer]

don't worry, me and myth can help you out if needed. welcome aboard!

[LooseCannon1]

hi guys, currently on vacation and not at the "home base", just recieved word of my turn. Save downloaded and put on USB, save will be played this evening when i return from the beach.
Sorry for the delays but the circomstances are killing me, in any case no doubt should be there, tonight the turks will be able to continue

Take your time. I'm so backed up with admin work on games I don't remember what day it is. Sub this one, fine that one, solve this problem, poke somebody to play:whip:

[freakkriek]

Turks are up

8536

LooseCannon1

[LooseCannon1]

France uphttps://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10380

[Nightbringer]

HRE up Darth Feather
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10381

feel free to take a look at the turn and ask me and myth some questions if you want, I will forward you what we have been discussing with silver so far.

[Darth Feather]

okay, thanks

EDIT: Do I have to put the save file in saves or in saves_late?

[LooseCannon1]

okay, thanks

EDIT: Do I have to put the save file in saves or in saves_late?

Saves_late would be proper, if your game is on Early era. Remember to reset your game to Late Era before starting.

[Darth Feather]

Myth Moors up
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10385

[Myth]

Новгород (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10387) up. Mithridate

[Mithridate]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iR4aSoEdSc
The first victory against the HRE of many to come...

We may have a stalemate in Scandinavia, but our forces advance into hungary!
Two hundred Russian peasants, over a thousand dead germans in the fort on the path to Kassa

Kassa itself shall be ours next season...

[Mithridate]

Time for a sub? I can do it, need a cleared save to do so.

He was notified, has sent another reminder for this and Europa Myth Nightbringer

[LooseCannon1]

Super sub to the rescue!! I've got it will have save for france up within 24 hrs. Now what was that password?:laugh4:

[LooseCannon1]

France up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10388)

[Nightbringer]

HRE up! Darth Feather
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10389

[Darth Feather]

Moors up Myth

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10390

[Myth]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10391) Mithridate

Sorry for the delay everyone!

[Myth]

Mithridate bump

[LooseCannon1]

Mithridate bump

I also PM'd him here. But with twcenter down more often than it's been up I've haven't had a chance to PM him over there. Don't have his password so I can't sub and since freakkriek has gone MIA on both forums I'll be subbing him when it's time.

[Myth]

So in essence the south is me vs. you as the Fatamids and Turks? :laugh4:

If the TWC is down we'd happily have all their hotseat players come over :yes: And the modders... :clown:

[Mithridate]

Sorry for the long wait, been a busy week and i forgot this completely

[LooseCannon1]

France is up. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10402

[Nightbringer]

HRE up! Darth Feather
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10405

[SilverShield]

man i hate i couldnt continue this game. u know i really kinda miss that lil strategic thrill. im looking forward to a new game once im back full metal. anyways u guys keep on rocking that thing

[Darth Feather]

I have a little grafical problem with SS. My units are all shiny or black and the campaign map is black as well when I click any kind of unit. Anyone know why? :help:

[Nightbringer]

huh, strange, I have never encountered that unfortunately. Anyone? :/

[LooseCannon1]

I have a little grafical problem with SS. My units are all shiny or black and the campaign map is black as well when I click any kind of unit. Anyone know why? :help:No idea at all on this problem.. Does it occur in singleplayer? Did you make any changes, upgrade drivers or do anything (ANYTHING) to your computer since last turn?

[Darth Feather]

Yes it happens in single player as well. Another peculiarity is that vanilla still works.
I posted on TWC as well but I am still awaiting answer.

I will post screenshots once I have the time.

[Nightbringer]

it sounds like reinstalling may be necessary, are you able to do that? :/

[Darth Feather]

I reinstalled SS. Same problem. I will try to re-download it and try to reinstall it again. Otherwise, I might have to reinstall medieval (not looking forward to that. :thumbsdown:)

[Nightbringer]

it sounds like it may be a problem with m2tw overall, unfortunately :(

[Darth Feather]

Apologies for the delay. After a second reinstall it worked normal ~:confused:

Anyway Myth Moors up

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10414

[Myth]

Oh man, I had some personal things to deal with and I missed this. I'm not sure If I'll be able to complete it before next week Tuesday.

[Myth]

Gave the save to Loose_Cannon1 who is now subbing the entirety of the Eastern team :dizzy2:

[Nightbringer]

@loose_cannon1? :)

[LooseCannon1]

@loose_cannon1? :)
Progress is steady. With 3 in a row to play I can't do it all at once but only Turks are left and that will be up within 12 hours. (I have a lot of accounting paperwork to do first:no:)

[Nightbringer]

Sounds good, just checking in :)

[LooseCannon1]

You know what the worst part is? I have no one to discuss plans or share concerns with. There's no one to pick me up when I fall down and go :eeeek: Oh well,here go's nothin'

france up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10421)

[Nightbringer]

HRE up Darth Feather
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10422

[Darth Feather]

Myth

Moors up!

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10423

[Myth]

Novgorod (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10427) LooseCannon1

Oh wow, you caught my senaky play and wiped out those two stacks.. At least I hope they gave you casualties! One was so-so but the other one had a few decent troops in it. I'm surprised at the quality troops Egypt has mustered for that particular front. Crete for example has been left solely lacking with only militia as defense.

How did you manage to scout these stacks though :shrug: I suppose I gave myself away with that corner settlement. Oh well, life goes on and if it's Allah's will my secondary invasion force will be more successful. The veterans from Spain are coming!

[LooseCannon1]

Novgorod (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10427) LooseCannon1

Oh wow, you caught my senaky play and wiped out those two stacks.. At least I hope they gave you casualties! One was so-so but the other one had a few decent troops in it. I'm surprised at the quality troops Egypt has mustered for that particular front. Crete for example has been left solely lacking with only militia as defense.

How did you manage to scout these stacks though :shrug: I suppose I gave myself away with that corner settlement. Oh well, life goes on and if it's Allah's will my secondary invasion force will be more successful. The veterans from Spain are coming!
Yes, the disappearance of Bengazi last turn gave you away. I realized you had hit it with seige weapons from a ship. So I've been sailing single ships around. The one army was quite visible from the sea but I tripped over the smaller one :laugh4:when I landed. I killed them first and thought I was going to have problems with the big one but I had terrain and that really helped. That spy you have on Crete (saw him, too) had better look around. if you haven't sank my ships there's more than enough troops around:yes:

This is tax weekend so i must get that stuff done before I can play. I'l get to it as soon as possible.

[LooseCannon1]

France up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10430)
Two German navies sleep with the fishes-along with the army aboard one.:titanic: Only action this turn.

Please mention any victories against Egypt/Turks in thread as I found a half destroyed Fatamid navy this turn. Next time I may move them anyway.:laugh4: If you don't tell me about it(esp. army battles) I may not realize they're supposed to be frozen. Novgorod won't have any movement so that's not as much of a problem.

[Nightbringer]

HRE up! Darth Feather
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10431

[Nightbringer]

HRE up! Darth Feather
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10431
LooseCannon, have you heard anything from freakkriek? He seems to have disappeared.

[LooseCannon1]

HRE up! Darth Feather
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10431
LooseCannon, have you heard anything from freakkriek? He seems to have disappeared.
Just checked and saw he had visited twcenter today so I sent him a PM. His first visit there in weeks.

[Darth Feather]

Apologies for the delay, I was planning on playing my turn today, but somthing got in between and I will only be able to play it friday afternoon :sad:

EDIT: Myth

Here it is. https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10435 for the moors

[Nightbringer]

Myth bump :)

[Myth]

Oops. I'll do this tonight!

[LooseCannon1]

Oops. I'll do this tonight! MythTake your time. After May 10th, I'll only be able to take turns on weekends for at least the next 2 months. Also, freakkriek told me he won't be back until after Rome II get released so we should start looking for another player for Fatamids. Mithridate should be back some time in May.

[Myth]

Novgorod up. (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10436)

Ah, the joy of discovering a 1/2 stack of elites you had forgotten in a castle to retrain. I scoured the seas for Egyptian or Turkish navies but they seem to have up and vanished...

[Mithridate]

I dont think ill be able to play this until 5 days from now... will try tonight

[Nightbringer]

Are you able to play now? Mithridate If not, please get someone to sub or I will have to skip your turn.

[LooseCannon1]

France up (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10438)
Darth Feather General Zollner was defeated and is frozen by rule.
MythYou can't find Fatamid/Turks navies?:shrug: Trying sailing further east than Sicily if you want to see our navies. :devilish: ~:wave:

[Nightbringer]

HRE up! Darth Feather
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10439

[Myth]

LooseCannon1 lies! Blasphemy! Madness!

[Darth Feather]

I will only be able to play on thursday.

Ok, my computer is doing that thing again with the silvery dudes, I won't be able to play it today, but I will try to get it working.
Sorry for the delay.

[Darth Feather]

I can't get it working for now. It might be better if someone subbed this turn

I am so sorry.

[Nightbringer]

Darth Feather, any luck? If not I can sub this turn for you.

[Nightbringer]

subbed,
several novgorod armies were wiped out, and Corinth was captured. :)

Moors up Myth
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10444

[Darth Feather]

Sorry, I'll have to drop out of this game entirely, SS allways shows those silverly dudes, especially in large battles.
:thumbsdown:
Again apologies.

[Myth]

Aww shucks. OK we definitely need a HRE player in the long-term, as well as an egyptian one. Will some of the TWH players consider this?

[Nightbringer]

darn, sorry to see you go Darth, but at least we'll have you around in our non SS games. :)

[Myth]

Novgorod up! (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/local_links.php?action=jump&catid=279&id=10445) Mithridate

Looking at how many settlements and population the HRE has I can't help but wonder is their starting position so overpowered in Late, or is Silver a monster? Also, LooseCanon, Egypt's forces took more of a beating than you let on, they're sort of depleted it seems to me.

[Mithridate]

With darth gone im sorry to say Myth Nightbringer:

Ill be leaving this too, i cannot stomach lead battles.
Also: damn u loose for losing that general, he was vital to my west xD Damn you Nightbringer for killing him too ;)

HRE is not really op unless you have so many AI factions for him to eat. Nor if its not lead battles id say, now all the rubbish is actually useful for him^^

[LooseCannon1]

I won't be able to look at the save for days so I don't know which Russian general got killed or how anything happened. Life is too busy for me to play one faction, let alone 3.

A human controlled HRE that is not attacked by others IS overpowered. I knew we were in trouble when Silver switched from Poland to HRE. HRE can overrun an AI controlled northern Italy and Denmark turning into a too big faction.

Egypt's not depleted it had nothing to begin with.:laugh4: Freak made some wrong choices in his build order and I didn't catch one error until 2 turns ago. Great Jamas for the win.

By the way, twcenter is crashing for me more than it's up.