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Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
10-30-2012, 22:54
http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2012/10/30/disney-to-buy-lucasfilm-for-4-05b/
I give up. On life.
If there were anything to shake my faith in Almighty God, this is it.
Kralizec
10-30-2012, 23:05
Wut? You're the last person on Earth whom I expected to care about Star Wars.
Papewaio
10-30-2012, 23:08
I'm not too happy with it either. However the latest Marvel movie have been better and the Narnia Chronicles were pretty good too.
As long as they don't get their claws into LoTR or the edgier movies.
It's not like they can do worse than Phantom Menace.
It's not like they can do worse than Phantom Menace.
Yeah, I actually have a bit of hope for the Star Wars franchise now.
Gregoshi
10-31-2012, 00:38
Yeah, I actually have a bit of hope for the Star Wars franchise now.
Uh huh, I can't wait to see the Buzz Lightyear action figure on the Milleninum Falcon. :no:
Kralizec
10-31-2012, 00:41
Uh huh, I can't wait to see the Buzz Lightyear action figure on the Milleninum Falcon. ~:rolleyes:
Ooooh, or R2D2 replaced by WALL_E....
Uh huh, I can't wait to see the Buzz Lightyear action figure on the Milleninum Falcon. :no:
It's not like that hasn't happened already.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_xJqkzngBI
Face it guys, this franchise has suffered worse already from Lucas himself.
CountArach
10-31-2012, 00:54
I'm more disappointed that they are making episode 7 at all. I mean come on?! Firstly, that's bound to make a lot of canonical extended universe stuff non-canonical, but that is just a minor thing compared to the fact that full resolution was already achieved across the six movies. This will feel like nothing more than a commercialised tack-on... which it is.
I declare any new movies to be non-canon. Headcanon is the best canon.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
10-31-2012, 00:55
Wut? You're the last person on Earth whom I expected to care about Star Wars.
You guys really do think I'm just a monk with a modem, don't you?
What I'm currently listening to:
http://youtu.be/uT4WTD-iX38
Kralizec
10-31-2012, 01:01
On the contrary, I think Star Wars is low-grade pulp and I always thought you a sophisticated gentleman ~;)
Gregoshi
10-31-2012, 01:06
... but that is just a minor thing compared to the fact that full resolution was already achieved across the six movies. This will feel like nothing more than a commercialised tack-on... which it is.
Not the case. When Star Wars was first pitched, Lucas had three trilogies in mind: first, the fall of the republic; the second, the empire; and the third, the return of the republic. That Lucas denied there was a third trilogy in later years baffled me. However, as you say, all the fiction that's been written since makes the third trilogy an adventure with good prospects to fail - at least amongst the fan base.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
10-31-2012, 01:19
Not the case. When Star Wars was first pitched, Lucas had three trilogies in mind: first, the fall of the republic; the second, the empire; and the third, the return of the republic. That Lucas denied there was a third trilogy in later years baffled me. However, as you say, all the fiction that's been written since makes the third trilogy an adventure with good prospects to fail - at least amongst the fan base.
When Lucas first pitched the first movie it was Anakin who rescued the Princess from the Empire and later fell to the darkside - in a second draft "Luke Skywalker" was a meshing of what would become Obi-Wan and the Luke we know.
By the time he'd got to the point where ANH had an actual plot there were three films and a backstory. That backstory barely changed between 1976 and 1999, except that Palpatine is referred to as "President" of the Republic in the original Star Wars novel.
The "nine movies" story is, afaik a later invention that Lucas was toying with.
As a unit the current two trilogies barely make dramatic sense - he end of Episode V is robbed of all it's pathos if you watch I-III first.
The idea of Episode VII raises a more fundamental issue, what would be the point? Other than to give Mark Hamil some pocket money.
Uh huh, I can't wait to see the Buzz Lightyear action figure on the Milleninum Falcon. :no:
Hey, Lucas pretty much did that already. As far as I am concerned, there's no way to make Star Wars crappier than it is right now. Lucas not only made horrible prequels that taint the entire series, he actively screwed up large chunks of the originals as well. At least Disney has the sense to preserve their old works in their original forms. And say what you want about their marketing, Disney has produced a huge number of very high quality films and continue to do so to this day.
Hooahguy
10-31-2012, 02:14
You guys really do think I'm just a monk with a modem, don't you?
What I'm currently listening to:
http://youtu.be/uT4WTD-iX38
On an unrelated subject, I love that song.
CountArach
10-31-2012, 03:30
Hey, Lucas pretty much did that already. As far as I am concerned, there's no way to make Star Wars crappier than it is right now. Lucas not only made horrible prequels that taint the entire series, he actively screwed up large chunks of the originals as well. At least Disney has the sense to preserve their old works in their original forms. And say what you want about their marketing, Disney has produced a huge number of very high quality films and continue to do so to this day.
Star Wars Episode VII: The Gungan Ascendancy
a completely inoffensive name
10-31-2012, 04:58
When Lucas first pitched the first movie it was Anakin who rescued the Princess from the Empire and later fell to the darkside - in a second draft "Luke Skywalker" was a meshing of what would become Obi-Wan and the Luke we know.
By the time he'd got to the point where ANH had an actual plot there were three films and a backstory. That backstory barely changed between 1976 and 1999, except that Palpatine is referred to as "President" of the Republic in the original Star Wars novel.
The "nine movies" story is, afaik a later invention that Lucas was toying with.
As a unit the current two trilogies barely make dramatic sense - he end of Episode V is robbed of all it's pathos if you watch I-III first.
The idea of Episode VII raises a more fundamental issue, what would be the point? Other than to give Mark Hamil some pocket money.
Don't insult Mark Hamil, he has been the most successful of the entire Star Wars cast. Go read up on his extensive voice acting career.
Face it guys, this franchise has suffered worse already from Lucas himself.
Exactly. The first film was tempered by Steven Spielberg, who suggested the opening sequence, much of the narrative and R2-D2 and C3-PO instead of Lucas' preferred Jar-Jar Binks style aliens. Lucas didn't have free reign on the first three, and his ideas were altered and adjusted by his directors, crew and cast. The second set was all unabated Lucas, and we know how that went!
Being bought by Disney didn't exactly hurt Marvel, quite the contrary. Disney has been awesome for quite some time now.
Star Wars Episode VII: The Gungan Ascendancy
I had to quote that.
Strike For The South
10-31-2012, 13:13
Aw, Phillip thinks he's people
Don't insult Mark Hamil, he has been the most successful of the entire Star Wars cast. Go read up on his extensive voice acting career.
:huh:
Uh... no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000469/). Really, no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000027/). Really, really no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000148/). Really, really, really no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000204/). Also, no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000191/). Also, also, no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000553/). Hell, even this guy makes me say no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000168/).
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
10-31-2012, 14:01
Don't insult Mark Hamil, he has been the most successful of the entire Star Wars cast. Go read up on his extensive voice acting career.
Um - he's a film actor who does voice work, his most recent TV gig was as Pamela Anderson's Uncle on VIP.
In any case - he's not well paid, and despite being a fairly good actor he can't break out of being Luke.
Exactly. The first film was tempered by Steven Spielberg, who suggested the opening sequence, much of the narrative and R2-D2 and C3-PO instead of Lucas' preferred Jar-Jar Binks style aliens. Lucas didn't have free reign on the first three, and his ideas were altered and adjusted by his directors, crew and cast. The second set was all unabated Lucas, and we know how that went!
More to the point - his wife edited them, removing large chunks of the first film and leaving them where they belonged on the cutting room floor.
He divorced her since finishing EP VI.
Greyblades
10-31-2012, 14:37
Lucas is a mixed bag, without him there wouldn't have been a star wars at all, on the other hand he seems to think that star wars having a large child fan base means that star wars should be less mature than it deserves to be. Personally I'm hopeful, considering Disney's take over of Pixar has gone pretty well and the clone wars series has had some really good episodes proving to me that star wars can still be made well.
Also I kinda liked the prequels, Yeah I said it!
I think you mean "Noooooooooooooooooooo (http://nooooooooooooooo.com/)."
I agree with the general consensus that Disney certainly can't do any worse than Lucas has done with the last three films...
a completely inoffensive name
10-31-2012, 18:08
:huh:Uh... no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000469/). Really, no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000027/). Really, really no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000148/). Really, really, really no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000204/). Also, no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000191/). Also, also, no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000553/). Hell, even this guy makes me say no (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000168/).Earl Jones and Alec Guin. I will concede, but I was talking about just the original trilogy. Don't bring up Pandamay and Worlds Worst Jedi because that was a travesty of wasted potential.Also I lol'd at Harrison Ford, I love the man to death and I watch everything he is in but the man's recent repetoire includes a chick flick and nothing special since the 90s.You underestimate the following that many young people have with cartoons. Mark Hamil is considered by many dudes to be the "definitive" voice of the Joker.
a completely inoffensive name
10-31-2012, 18:11
Um - he's a film actor who does voice work, It is the other way around. He is a voice actor who does film. He is well respected in the voice acting community and its obvious he has made voice acting his job. The only people who continue to define him as Luke are people like you, who can't even recognize the wonderful news that Lucas is no longer in total control of Star Wars..
Also I lol'd at Harrison Ford, I love the man to death and I watch everything he is in but the man's recent repetoire includes a chick flick and nothing special since the 90s.You underestimate the following that many young people have with cartoons. Mark Hamil is considered by many dudes to be the "definitive" voice of the Joker.
I completely understand Hamil's success as a voice actor. I'm very aware of it and I would also say he's had a successful career because of it. Certainly far better than many of his other co-stars, like Carrie and Billy Dee. However, I really don't think it's debatable that Harrison Ford has had a more successful career overall. Six of his films are in the IMDb Top 250 (three if you exclude Star Wars). While Ford is not remotely a 'great' actor, he was bankable for a long, long time. The guy was top of the A-list for 20 years. While Hamil has had a great voice acting career for about that amount of time, I don't think a voice acting career can be compared to a Hollywood lead actor career. I guarantee you that Ford's payments for appearing in his list of forgettable films over the past 10 years have far surpassed Hamil's despite the fact that the former was in decline in and the latter has just been getting better.
By your analysis we should also say that Hamil is better than Pacino and DeNiro, because Hamil is still a going concern while Pacino and DeNiro have forgotten how to do anything other than cash a check. That misses the point about what constitutes a career.
a completely inoffensive name
10-31-2012, 18:49
I completely understand Hamil's success as a voice actor. I'm very aware of it and I would also say he's had a successful career because of it. Certainly far better than many of his other co-stars, like Carrie and Billy Dee. However, I really don't think it's debatable that Harrison Ford has had a more successful career overall. Six of his films are in the IMDb Top 250 (three if you exclude Star Wars). While Ford is not remotely a 'great' actor, he was bankable for a long, long time. The guy was top of the A-list for 20 years. While Hamil has had a great voice acting career for about that amount of time, I don't think a voice acting career can be compared to a Hollywood lead actor career. I guarantee you that Ford's payments for appearing in his list of forgettable films over the past 10 years have far surpassed Hamil's despite the fact that the former was in decline in and the latter has just been getting better.By your analysis we should also say that Hamil is better than Pacino and DeNiro, because Hamil is still a going concern while Pacino and DeNiro have forgotten how to do anything other than cash a check. That misses the point about what constitutes a career.That is a good point. I didn't think of it like that. I retract my previous statement.Although personally after seeing Pacino in "Jack and Jill" I would be happy if everyone punished him by ignoring his earlier work. My god was that a waste of my time and my sanity.
That is a good point. I didn't think of it like that. I retract my previous statement.Although personally after seeing Pacino in "Jack and Jill" I would be happy if everyone punished him by ignoring his earlier work. My god was that a waste of my time and my sanity.
Pacino is such a sad state of affairs. He was such an incredible actor... truly one of the greatest ever. And now his appearance in a film is a reason for me to avoid it.
Papewaio
10-31-2012, 22:43
Admiral Thrawn?
Yoyoma1910
11-01-2012, 03:33
Yes.
It was inevitable.
Admiral Thrawn?
Unlikely, given that story treatments for 7, 8, 9 exist in some form. Lucas is fairly ambivalent toward the EU, if he even considers it at all. But he won't even give one though to how does this effect the EU when throwing out new story ideas. And has been engaged in negating huge swaths of it for the past 5 years with the Clone Wars TV series.
While the comic/graphic novel/extended universe stuff may appeal to the fanboys and nerds, movie producers will obviously try to go for a wider appeal or strike a balance... Even episodes I/II/II were criticised for being too political and full of references to stuff which no one but real fans would know or care about. When I first saw ep. I at the cinema, I could find no connection at all in terms of the overall atmosphere, look and feel to the that of the first three films. The whole thing came across as a horribly sterile and self indulgent marketing promo for the kids toys it was obviously designed to sell. This, obviously combined with the poor screenplay, sub par acting and over dependence on video gamey looking CGI, was what made ep. I and it's sequels poor movies.
I remember the character of Thrawn from the classic TIE fighter game and though the fictional history surrounding him may work well in this form, or indeed the extended universe fan fiction it was based on, it may not translate so well to Hollywood or appeal to movie goers.
For star wars to be a success again, they need to go back to basics - back to 1977 in fact. The first film actually had a decent plot (based on Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress) it was a sci-fi action/adventure film in it's own right, with all the right ingredients. Since then we've seen "star wars based" films of which empire was probably the best effort. By the third film it all went "ewok" and felt like the first film was simply being remade with "bigger death star, better effects, more monsters", I realised I was watching a film made by the same man who would bring us the "temple of doom" a year later... as with the latter - a fun film, but...
For star wars to be a success again, they need to go back to basics - back to 1977 in fact. The first film actually had a decent plot (based on Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress) it was a sci-fi action/adventure film in it's own right, with all the right ingredients. Since then we've seen "star wars based" films of which empire was probably the best effort. By the third film it all went "ewok" and felt like the first film was simply being remade with "bigger death star, better effects, more monsters", I realised I was watching a film made by the same man who would bring us the "temple of doom" a year later... as with the latter - a fun film, but...
I think it entirely depends on the people that Disney hires to actually make the films, and the level of creative control they are given. You need look no further than Nolan's Batman or Abrams' Star Trek to see that worn and tired IPs can be revived to both critical and commercial success. In both of those cases, it was because the studios hired good directors and gave them enough leeway to remake the subject matter as they saw fit. Star Wars will be more difficult than either of these because they are going to try and continue an existing storyline, rather than do a reboot, but I think the same general issues apply. A Nolan or Whedon Episode VII would have a lot of promise. A Bay Episode VII would not.
Star Wars is now in the hands of Kathleen Kennedy. The woman who produced all 3 Jurassic Park movies and was involved with ET.
Star Wars is now in the hands of Kathleen Kennedy. The woman who produced all 3 Jurassic Park movies and was involved with ET.
With some rare exceptions, the producer doesn't tend to have a major hand in the actual creation of the film. At best, they stay out of it. At worst, they interfere and tweak things against the Director's will. Looking at her production history, there's nothing in there that I recall ever hearing any complaints about production interference with the film. So, I'll cautiously say she's one of the better ones. I'll reserve my judgment as to the actual film until the director and writers are announced.
a completely inoffensive name
11-01-2012, 18:46
I think Episode 7 should be about the return of the Republic, episode 8 should be the process of how the new Republic writes its Constitution and episode 9 will end with 2.5 hours of subcommittees debating about amount of control the Constitution allows the government to regulate and tax interplanetary trade between sanctioned Jedi temples.
With some rare exceptions, the producer doesn't tend to have a major hand in the actual creation of the film. At best, they stay out of it. At worst, they interfere and tweak things against the Director's will. Looking at her production history, there's nothing in there that I recall ever hearing any complaints about production interference with the film. So, I'll cautiously say she's one of the better ones. I'll reserve my judgment as to the actual film until the director and writers are announced.
Your thinking of a studio executive. A producer gets the thing made in every way possible.
If you think about it, you know that Disney will actually make this film good. Think about cinema recently.. Disney has been putting out some very good films.
Your thinking of a studio executive. A producer gets the thing made in every way possible.
Producers are certainly in charge of getting the film made, but they don't make the film. Their job is to make sure that the actual people making the film get whatever they need, as well as keeping it within budget and making it profitable. The 'profit' aspect of the job sometimes results in producers stepping into the creative side of the film, but that usually pisses off the director big time and tends to only happen with actors/directors turned producers, such as Spielberg or Scorsese. The vast majority of Hollywood producers simply take care of the business and organizational aspects, and leave the actual filmmaking to the filmmakers.
Gregoshi
11-02-2012, 04:08
If you think about it, you know that Disney will actually make this film good. Think about cinema recently.. Disney has been putting out some very good films.
Like John Carter. :laugh4:
Sorry, that was a cheap shot - and an exception for Disney.
If you think about it, you know that Disney will actually make this film good. Think about cinema recently.. Disney has been putting out some very good films.
Exactly that. People think of The Little Mermaid and the (awesome) Lion King when they hear Disney but Disney is awesome nowadays. The Starwars franchise couldn't be in better hands.
Like John Carter. :laugh4:
Sorry, that was a cheap shot - and an exception for Disney.
You mean "Rome IN SPACE!!!" ?
Crazed Rabbit
11-03-2012, 18:17
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jpwznCTWkwE
Disney seems to be vying to make it worse than Lucas did...
CR
Gregoshi
11-03-2012, 19:11
Disney seems to be vying to make it worse than Lucas did...
CR
This could be painful. Three or four days after the announcement and they are already killing it:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xUbH1SEsqiE
a completely inoffensive name
11-03-2012, 22:52
Ehh, those videos were not that bad guys. The second one, (which I am assuming is just a commercial) was cute.
CR's video is just an example of how bad modern kids shows are at writing.
Greyblades
11-04-2012, 03:02
Eh, it was kinda funny seeing C3P0 telling someone to "step off, fool".
Disney seems to be vying to make it worse than Lucas did...
CR
I'm sorry, but no. The droids were always the comic relief of the movies anyway, way back to the original trilogy. Seeing them interact with kids does not harm the brand in any way...
This.. however...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfDmu4f8l8I
The revelation that the force is little more than germs did far more damage than R2-D2 palling around with 14 year olds ever could. Do you guys even remember how bad the prequel movies were? I mean holy :daisy:
HopAlongBunny
11-04-2012, 03:42
We can only hope it rises to this level:
http://youtu.be/WK9xCafjsJg
Crazed Rabbit
11-04-2012, 06:12
I'm sorry, but no. The droids were always the comic relief of the movies anyway, way back to the original trilogy. Seeing them interact with kids does not harm the brand in any way...
This.. however...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfDmu4f8l8I
The revelation that the force is little more than germs did far more damage than R2-D2 palling around with 14 year olds ever could. Do you guys even remember how bad the prequel movies were? I mean holy :daisy:
Oh, I know. I was thinking on it, and though the video has terrible writing and general lameness, you're right, it doesn't harm what Star Wars was.
Even the Darth Vader at Disneyland isn't bad.
What Lucas did was damage to the core of what Star Wars was, and such things as the video I posted aren't the same.
Disney can make something much better than the prequels.
CR
Those videos aren't remotely as bad as the Star Wars Holiday Special.
I'm sorry, but no. The droids were always the comic relief of the movies anyway, way back to the original trilogy. Seeing them interact with kids does not harm the brand in any way...
This.. however...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MfDmu4f8l8I
The revelation that the force is little more than germs did far more damage than R2-D2 palling around with 14 year olds ever could. Do you guys even remember how bad the prequel movies were? I mean holy :daisy:
I prefer the prequels, I never really liked the OT. Even as a little kid they were always dumb old movies. A reality based reason for the force was one of those things I love about them. When I watched that in a theatre I didn't even blink. I went right along with it, still prefer it.
Gregoshi
11-04-2012, 20:14
I liked both the original and prequel trilogies. Unfortunately, with the gap between them, the original trilogy was placed on such a high pedestal that the prequels couldn't possibly live up to fan expectations. However, I watch all six and I see Star Wars. Each movie, though Empire less so, has annoying bits in them make me wish it wasn't there (Jar-Jar, Ewoks, midi-chlorians, Kessel run/parsecs, etc), but not so much that it ruined the movie experience for me.
As for Disney, yes, they may do well with the movies, but they can be so overbearing and in-your-face with their brand. Just a mere days after signing the deal and they have Star Wars written into (at least) one of their shows and have Vader running around Disney Land. Trying to merging them with Disney cartoon characters is just wrong - the Vader character is a mass murderer after all and Leia is no Disney Princess. It is like a little kid jumping up and down showing off his new toy. How about a little respect for the Star Wars brand? Sure, play it up because it is a big deal, but keep it separate from your kiddy stuff.
If Disney now owns the existing Star Wars movies, will they disappear into the "Disney vault" for years like they do with their other classics? If so, I'd better buy the blu-ray versions now even though I don't have a player yet or I may be screwed in a year or two.
Disney does a lot of good things, but they also do a lot that is rather infuriating. A personal story of mine regarding Disney is an illustration of how overbearing they can be. Excuse me for repeating it, I know I've shared this before:
I was shopping in Disney Village in Florida and Mickey Mouse entered the store.
Mom: "Look Johnny, it's Mickey Mouse!"
Johnny: "Again!?"
Yes little Johnny, the mouse is stalking you.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
11-04-2012, 23:49
I prefer the prequels, I never really liked the OT. Even as a little kid they were always dumb old movies. A reality based reason for the force was one of those things I love about them. When I watched that in a theatre I didn't even blink. I went right along with it, still prefer it.
Please tell me you're joking.
a completely inoffensive name
11-05-2012, 02:56
I prefer the prequels, I never really liked the OT. Even as a little kid they were always dumb old movies. A reality based reason for the force was one of those things I love about them. When I watched that in a theatre I didn't even blink. I went right along with it, still prefer it.
You're not my friend anymore.
Please tell me you're joking.
My favorite Star Wars movie is Attack of the clones.
My favorite Star Wars movie is Attack of the clones.
We can never be friends.
Never. Ever.
a completely inoffensive name
11-05-2012, 22:40
My favorite Star Wars movie is Attack of the clones.
YOU HEAR THAT LARS, YOU HAVE NO FRIENDS ANYMORE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9KVIfpNG4w
The only correct response.
Strike For The South
11-05-2012, 23:06
My favorite Star Wars movie is Attack of the clones.
No.
johnhughthom
11-05-2012, 23:26
I can only conclude that Natalie Portman's erect nipples on a cinema screen are lars573's only memory of Attack of the Clones.
Incorrect. The battle of Geonosis and any scene with Jango Fett in it are parts I love. But really as a whole I love that movie, followed by Revenge of the Sith. And let's not forget the Clone Wars TV series.
I prefer the prequels, I never really liked the OT. Even as a little kid they were always dumb old movies. A reality based reason for the force was one of those things I love about them. When I watched that in a theatre I didn't even blink. I went right along with it, still prefer it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWaLxFIVX1s
Greyblades
11-06-2012, 01:08
You people are so old.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
11-06-2012, 01:38
So - if Lars has a soul, it has no poetry and no conception od what childhood is meant to be.
i.e. more than just big 'splosions.
a completely inoffensive name
11-06-2012, 07:35
You know guys, maybe you should all stop crapping on lars, in the end he just loves Star Wars as much as the rest of us.
And love...love is like sand. Some people don't like sand. It's course and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hi5jjXTPtyY).
Greyblades
11-06-2012, 10:41
TPM was a cheesy, childish, yet fun romp.
RoTS was a somewhat dim yet really fun epic.
AoTC was village firework show, fun to watch, but the second you wonder why it's fun it stops being engaging.
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