Pre-Polybian Legion

[Ca Putt]

Hello fellow EB-fans,

Right now I'm working on a Presentation on the Republican Military(no not ireland) and while I have quite some information concerning the legion during and after the second punic war(our beloved polybian and marian infantry) and I also have sufficient literature on the early hoplite army but information on the time inbetween is pretty scarse. In what way does "Camillian" or "livian" apply to these troops? what were the maniple sizes(100?) and how many maniples made up a Legion(45?)? what was the relative number of light troops and their respecitve subgroups?

While I am mainly asking for direct answers, links to literature on the topic would also be greatly appreciated.

Thanks in advance, Ca Putt.

[XSamatan]

Did you check the EB-Bibliography (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?70698-Europa-Barbarorum-Bibliography)?

XSamatan

[seleucid empire]

i dont know much about the history of roman military reforms but i always thought that the "camilian reforms" happened after the sack of rome by brennus. Until that point the Romans were using hoplite style infanty as their main line infantry. And that the transition to "polybian" era infantry happened very slowly and over time (e.g. adding/changing pieces of equipment over a long period of time) unlike the marian reforms which happened in the lifetime of one general

[Ca Putt]

Yeah that's just what makes it difficult.

Well I looked through it, however most seems to be post Polybius.

[Arjos]

Ancient Rome: A Military And Political History, covers it iirc, speculating that the voting assemblies and divisions mirrored (they actually were), the military units. So by the Comitia Centuriata, there would have been 100 men units...
Unfortunately, exact details for those years are scarce (if there are any lol) and one must remember the roman practice of writing contemporary institutions, into the past, or "fixing" them, so that they would work in or explain the present ones...