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Sasaki Kojiro
11-07-2012, 06:08
To the rest of the world: we're sorry. We tried--it's not really our fault. I promise we're not all like this--there are many, many Americans who don't like Obama. Please don't judge us by the 51% who voted for him.
Strike For The South
11-07-2012, 06:12
Ugh I know
Drone strikes in Yemen now? When will this blood for oil end?
And don't even get me started on how he lines his big business buddies pockets with his supposed "bailouts"
To the rest of the world: we're sorry. We tried--it's not really our fault. I promise we're not all like this--there are many, many Americans who don't like Obama.
According to int'l polling by that leftist rag The Economist, the only two nations that preferred Romney to Obama were Pakistan and Israel. So instead of saying "To the rest of the world," perhaps you should say, "Dear Pakistan and Israel." A little more reality-based, a little less pathos-fueled.
Plus legal weed and more gay marriage. It's been a good night.
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As an Australian, I am happy to see Obama win four more years. Go home Rmoney and take your binders full of women with you!
Oh and thank fuck for Akin losing.
Woooooooo
Crazed Rabbit
11-07-2012, 07:30
According to int'l polling by that leftist rag The Economist, the only two nations that preferred Romney to Obama were Pakistan and Israel. So instead of saying "To the rest of the world," perhaps you should say, "Dear Pakistan and Israel." A little more reality-based, a little less pathos-fueled.
Which only proves that what you say matters more than what you do, considering Obama's foreign policy record in comparison to Bush. And Pakistan probably preferred Romney because he hasn't ordered the deaths of hundreds/thousands of them via drone strikes.
Plus legal weed and more gay marriage. It's been a good night.
:cool:
Awwww yeah. Take that, feds! (including the anti-pot Obama)
CR
He obviously doesn't endorse legalization of weed, but didn't he end federal raids on legal (in the states) dispensaries for medical marijuana? Not that recreational use isn't a totally separate issue, but if people in Washington and Colorado are hoping their airspace isn't swarming with black helicopters from the DEA, they have better than normal odds of that not happening with O'Bama.
Populus Romanus
11-07-2012, 07:51
Hooray for WA
Crazed Rabbit
11-07-2012, 08:04
He obviously doesn't endorse legalization of weed, but didn't he end federal raids on legal (in the states) dispensaries for medical marijuana? Not that recreational use isn't a totally separate issue, but if people in Washington and Colorado are hoping their airspace isn't swarming with black helicopters from the DEA, they have better than normal odds of that not happening with O'Bama.
No, Obama increased federal raids on medical marijuana over what happened during the Bush administration.
CR
Thank flock that Romney didn't win. I really don't understand why anyone would vote for him.
No, Obama increased federal raids on medical marijuana over what happened during the Bush administration.
CR
I stand corrected.
Tellos Athenaios
11-07-2012, 08:36
To the rest of the world: we're sorry. We tried--it's not really our fault. I promise we're not all like this--there are many, many Americans who don't like Obama. Please don't judge us by the 51% who voted for him.
No can do, sorry. The truth is out (there) now, you know, and the Naked Cowboy did not get elected but a Kenyan Muslim Communist did. Says it all, really. :no:
According to int'l polling by that leftist rag The Economist, the only two nations that preferred Romney to Obama were Pakistan and Israel. So instead of saying "To the rest of the world," perhaps you should say, "Dear Pakistan and Israel." A little more reality-based, a little less pathos-fueled.
True but nobody understands why Romney was seen to be a credible candidate. Emphasis on credible.
Which only proves that what you say matters more than what you do, considering Obama's foreign policy record in comparison to Bush. And Pakistan probably preferred Romney because he hasn't ordered the deaths of hundreds/thousands of them via drone strikes.
Which only proves that you should not tell people in advance you plan on running the world's largest economy off a cliff. Certainly you should not let your henchmen attempt such a plan prior to actually having obtained power, and you must definitely not seen to be part of- or associated with any such brazen plotting before the people are firmly in your grasp and at your mercy anyway. Note to future wannabe American overlords: elections is phase one, doomsday device/plot is part two. Not the other way around.
I don't know enough of American politics to comment but he seems capable enough.
Hello guys, excuse my question (tin foil and all that) but why does it matter which of the two actors will play the role of president? The banking elite and the corporations have been calling the shots since you dropped the gold standard and allowed the Federal Reserve to print your dollars. The last guy who tried to work against them got shot in the head.
I don't know enough of American politics to comment but he seems capable enough.
Same here.
After all he is the president who finally brought Bin Laden to justice. That has to count for something surely.
Sarmatian
11-07-2012, 09:53
No can do, sorry. The truth is out (there) now, you know, and the Naked Cowboy did not get elected but a Kenyan Muslim Communist did. Says it all, really. :no:
Indeed. How did that happen America?
What's next, a Japanese soldier over John Wayne?
HoreTore
11-07-2012, 09:55
The majority of americans are still sane.
spankythehippo
11-07-2012, 10:54
Here's what the man himself had to say.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFf2k_XqPIY
Furunculus
11-07-2012, 11:46
at least this time he doesn't have to live up to the wildly unrealistic expectations of the hyper-ventilating and hormonal teenage cheerleaders of happy-smiley politics!
good news.
his first term is pretty reasonable when examined from a realistic standpoint instead of the "OMG HE'S THE 2nd COMING" impression that some people had 4 years ago.
I wouldn´t buy a used car from Romney let alone trust him with something as the presidency of the US, so good news he's not getting anywhere near it.
at least this time he doesn't have to live up to the wildly unrealistic expectations of the hyper-ventilating and hormonal teenage cheerleaders of happy-smiley politics!
Over here in the neds it was downright emberassing, the leftist church seemed more realistic this time around. Obama wasn't... him... he turned to be merely... a man
InsaneApache
11-07-2012, 13:01
Not much of a choice was there?
The one aim of all such persons is to butter their own parsnips. They have no concept of the public good that can be differentiated from their concept of their own good. They get into office by making all sorts of fantastic promises, few of which they ever try to keep, and they maintain themselves there by fooling the people further. They are supported in their business by the factitious importance which goes with high public position. The great majority of folk are far too stupid to see through a politician’s tinsel. Because he is talked of in the newspapers all the time, and applauded when he appears in public, they mistake him for a really eminent man. But he is seldom anything of the sort.**
Thank you, Jesus.
It is refreshing to know that in 2012 America big bags of money by themselves aren't sufficient to win the election, and the man's character still matters.
good news.
his first term is pretty reasonable when examined from a realistic standpoint instead of the "OMG HE'S THE 2nd COMING" impression that some people had 4 years ago.
I wouldn´t buy a used car from Romney let alone trust him with something as the presidency of the US, so good news he's not getting anywhere near it.
He got pretty damn near it if you look at the numbers. I personally wouldn't trust anyone following a religion that is not older than 500 years.
Seamus Fermanagh
11-07-2012, 14:04
To the rest of the world: we're sorry. We tried--it's not really our fault. I promise we're not all like this--there are many, many Americans who don't like Obama. Please don't judge us by the 51% who voted for him.
I doubt most of the rest of the world minds at all. Obama has demonstrated a willingness to hammer specific terrorist leaders while drawing down/ending larger conflicts and nation-building efforts; he has shown a greater propensity to coordinate US efforts with NATO goals with our allies; He has not created turmoil in the international marketplace by going after China about the Yuan; He is not pursuing US strategic goals over the direct opposition of our Allies; and, according to most of their own political standards, his domestic policies are completely centrist (a.k.a. normal and sane) with only the mildest of political left tones -- garden variety European Social Democracy. Remember, the fact that we do not have a single, essentially universal, health care policy in place has always made Europe think we are idiots. They probably spend more time wondering why our poor -- whose needs are not being met by the current government system -- haven't launched an endless series of riots than they do wondering why we still cling to the electoral college.
In short, I doubt they think we have cause to apologize for electing someone whose policies -- at least to their lights -- so completely outstrip those of his predecessor in quality.
Seamus Fermanagh
11-07-2012, 14:09
Thank you, Jesus.
It is refreshing to know that in 2012 America big bags of money by themselves aren't sufficient to win the election, and the man's character still matters.
The candidate with the big bucks (http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance)did win.....
Unless you think the comparative size of their personal fortunes is somehow significant.
Obama spent as much or more than Romney's team collected. Romney would have had to dump half or more of his personal fortune into the race to make up the dollars difference alone.
Kadagar_AV
11-07-2012, 14:13
I doubt most of the rest of the world minds at all. Obama has demonstrated a willingness to hammer specific terrorist leaders while drawing down/ending larger conflicts and nation-building efforts; he has shown a greater propensity to coordinate US efforts with NATO goals with our allies; He has not created turmoil in the international marketplace by going after China about the Yuan; He is not pursuing US strategic goals over the direct opposition of our Allies; and, according to most of their own political standards, his domestic policies are completely centrist (a.k.a. normal and sane) with only the mildest of political left tones -- garden variety European Social Democracy. Remember, the fact that we do not have a single, essentially universal, health care policy in place has always made Europe think we are idiots. They probably spend more time wondering why our poor -- whose needs are not being met by the current government system -- haven't launched an endless series of riots than they do wondering why we still cling to the electoral college.
In short, I doubt they think we have cause to apologize for electing someone whose policies -- at least to their lights -- so completely outstrip those of his predecessor in quality.
I was just about to reply but SF, already made my point exactly. So instead I just choose to bold what I would have elaborated on. With that said, elaboration isn't needed, but the bolding is :book2:
n short, I doubt they think we have cause to apologize for electing someone whose policies -- at least to their lights -- so completely outstrip those of his predecessor in quality.
If you want to say sorry, say sorry about all those who voted Romney. Just throwing that out there. I would have woken up shuddering to the news of him being elected and actually slightly scared about the future.
Crazed Rabbit
11-07-2012, 16:08
Thank flock that Romney didn't win. I really don't understand why anyone would vote for him.
Did you watch the debates? Obama and Romney differed more in style than substance on most big issues.
CR
Dude, go look at some of the international polling. Romney was wildly unpopular with the rest of the world (excepting Pakistan and Israel, obviously). There were nervous editorials being published in Europe about how none of the leaders were ready for a Romney win, how relations with the US might take a long time to repair, etc.
To suggest (as Sasaki has) that we somehow need to apologize to the world for re-electing Obama is completely and utterly divorced from reality.
Exemplum gratum (http://www.theatlantic.com/international/archive/2012/10/is-the-world-ready-for-mitt-romney/263985/):
America's closest allies may be in for a rude awakening on November 7th, should Romney pull off a win. Their lack of preparation for a Romney presidency and sharp ideological differences with him seem likely to immediately complicate any Romney moves to do what he is saying his election would in terms of improving America's standing globally. The problem under Bush wasn't just that America was disliked by the Arab world because of the Iraq War and the administration's support for torture techniques like water-boarding -- it was that our standing with our European allies tumbled. It's hard to see how Romney could improve upon what Obama has done to repair those relationships in the near-term, given his well-demonstrated disdain for European social attitudes and economic policies, and what a shock an Obama loss would be to European citizens.
Fisherking
11-07-2012, 16:56
Dude, go look at some of the international polling. Romney was wildly unpopular with the rest of the world (excepting Pakistan and Israel, obviously). There were nervous editorials being published in Europe about how none of the leaders were ready for a Romney win, how relations with the US might take a long time to repair, etc.
To suggest (as Sasaki has) that we somehow need to apologize to the world for re-electing Obama is completely and utterly divorced from reality.
That is mostly because the rest of the world has no idea about American politics.
To them R= evil and D= saint. To them anyone in America who speaks of religion in a political campaign is a fundamentalist nut job. Romney was a Mormon and to many of them that makes him unacceptable.
CR is right, fundamentally there is little difference between the two. Both will or would have catered to banks and special interests putting Wall Street before Main Street. They are beholden to, not the people who voted for them, but to those who provided the money to manage their campaigns. When elected they do what is good for themselves and their moneyed backers and the electorate be hanged.
Ironside
11-07-2012, 17:01
The candidate with the big bucks (http://elections.nytimes.com/2012/campaign-finance)did win.....
Unless you think the comparative size of their personal fortunes is somehow significant.
Obama spent as much or more than Romney's team collected. Romney would have had to dump half or more of his personal fortune into the race to make up the dollars difference alone.
Depends on what you mean by big bucks. Obama had more grass root money, but Mitt got much more money from those with big buck. Compare the superpacks (Mitt get's twice as much), ouside spending (I'm not sure how they count that, but it's more than the superpacks) and really compare the candidate donors, in particular since Obama got almost twice as much money there. It has to be something like 4-5 times more people that gave money to Obama than Romney.
And, yep the world prefer Obama. An obvious example: Known right-wing chronicler ends answering a question on why our prime minister (also right-wing) kept a low profile about who he prefered as the winner:
"But after the electoral victory it is natural to congratulate the winner and in this case rejoice as well."
Edit:
That is mostly because the rest of the world has no idea about American politics.
To them R= evil and D= saint. To them anyone in America who speaks of religion in a political campaign is a fundamentalist nut job. Romney was a Mormon and to many of them that makes him unacceptable.
Large parts of it yes. As well as lots of colouring from the Bush years. Also high religious content in public. Lots of questions where the Republican side doesn't really exist in large parts of Europe (general healthcare, abortion (is a big question in some European countries though), guns, etc, etc). Perceived as the arrogant party in international affairs. Financial irresponsibillity, (even if claiming otherwise).
I don't think that Romney lost much international support for being specifically Mormon though, compared to say devout Catholic or Protestant in public, but it's certainly a downside. Probably worse in a very devout country than here though.
I think the arrogance question is the largest one in general actually.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-07-2012, 18:01
No can do, sorry. The truth is out (there) now, you know, and the Naked Cowboy did not get elected but a Kenyan Muslim Communist did. Says it all, really. :no:
No need to be facetious.
The latest I'm hearing is that there were voting machine issues in key states. The final results don't tally with the exit polls there (exit polls are the gold standard for detecting vote tampering). There's no way a decorated war hero like romney would have lost without some kind of fraud.
Large parts of it yes. As well as lots of colouring from the Bush years. Also high religious content in public. Lots of questions where the Republican side doesn't really exist in large parts of Europe (general healthcare, abortion (is a big question in some European countries though), guns, etc, etc). Perceived as the arrogant party in international affairs. Financial irresponsibillity, (even if claiming otherwise).
I don't think that Romney lost much international support for being specifically Mormon though, compared to say devout Catholic or Protestant in public, but it's certainly a downside. Probably worse in a very devout country than here though.
I think the arrogance question is the largest one in general actually.
The majority of it is because the Republicans advertise themselves as pro-war, religious fundamentalist fascists.
You constantly hear about the Republican senator who is a creationist, you hear how "Rape is not rape if they got pregnant" and all sorts of religious opinions which are in wacky-ville. You hear how Republican pundits express that the best way America can handle foreign policy is to bomb everything and everywhere, from Iran to North Korea, and consider using nuclear weapons. You hear about the continuous racist and bigoted remarks, every time a Birther (who is always a republican) speaks up, Republicans lose support. Every time you hear about homosexuals getting persecuted by Republicans (again), they lose support. Everytime you hear some one go "You know what, we should torture as many offensive term for non-american we can get ahold of", it is always a Republican.
In short, Republicans are typically supported and espouse the views in favour of everything that is wrong in America. As I argued elsewhere, Democrats are very much a catch-all 'not them' party of everyone left of Mussolini.
You don't even need to go into Economical arguments for any rational person to be repulsed and funnily enough, no one would have any problems if the Republicans were simply on about economics. It is all the loonybin stuff which scares everyone.
You don't even need to go into Economical arguments for any rational person to be repulsed and funnily enough, no one would have any problems if the Republicans were simply on about economics. It is all the loonybin stuff which scares everyone.
This statement is, in a nutshell, why the Reps are having serious problems. If they would drop the social radicalism and general bigotry, they would probably dominate the government.
To them anyone in America who speaks of religion in a political campaign is a fundamentalist nut job.
This should be of special concern to American citizens, since it says in your constitution that politics and religion are not supposed to mix......you guys should be the first ones to consider this a problem no?
over here the religion feelings or lack there of of a candidate or elected office holder are rarely if ever brought up, and no one really cares about it, it's a personal issue.
and I don´t consider them fundamentalists nut jobs just because they bring religion up.......I sometimes consider them fundamentalist nut jobs because well......they espouse positions that are "nut jobery"....if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...i have to consider that either:
a) they are religious nutjobs
b) they are willing to cater to religious nutjobs
in terms of effects on legislation the 2 might as well be the same.
This statement is, in a nutshell, why the Reps are having serious problems. If they would drop the social radicalism and general bigotry, they would probably dominate the government.
I agree, I think they would. There is a lot in America who do want a small-government, but all the social radicalism is actually making Republicans big government in repression of social liberties. Just they dropped that part of their mandate, they would pick up a lot more votes.
Fisherking
11-07-2012, 20:39
This should be of special concern to American citizens, since it says in your constitution that politics and religion are not supposed to mix......you guys should be the first ones to consider this a problem no?
over here the religion feelings or lack there of of a candidate or elected office holder are rarely if ever brought up, and no one really cares about it, it's a personal issue.
and I don´t consider them fundamentalists nut jobs just because they bring religion up.......I sometimes consider them fundamentalist nut jobs because well......they espouse positions that are "nut jobery"....if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck...i have to consider that either:
a) they are religious nutjobs
b) they are willing to cater to religious nutjobs
in terms of effects on legislation the 2 might as well be the same.
I am not a big believer in Religion. But both Ds and Rs bring belief in God to the campaigns. Sometimes from European TV reports you get the idea that all the religions in America are weird cults. Usually Catholics, Jews, and Anglicans get a pass, maybe Lutherans too most of the time. But most other faiths get cast in a negative light. In actuality few are.
The Republican party is broken, however. They keep making the mistake of pandering to the extreme, just as the Democrats once did. They need not embrace creationism to stand a chance of winning. They need to distance themselves from those extreme elements, at least on a national level. They would do much better to concentrate on individual liberties, balancing the budget, and a smaller role for government, and then backing up what they say with actions.
Both parties need to approach the deficit and the entitlements problem sooner rather than later. Else the US will be in the same fix as Greece and others.
HopAlongBunny
11-07-2012, 21:03
The election gave some ambiguous signals. Republicans lost women, latinos and black voters => losing the White House.
If their policy and press is so bad, why did they hold on to the HR? If things are really so bad for the Republicans, you would expect them to be freezing in the political wilderness => they are not.
It is going to take a complex, nuanced analysis to get a decent picture of what occurred yesterday.
gaelic cowboy
11-07-2012, 21:10
The election gave some ambiguous signals. Republicans lost women, latinos and black voters => losing the White House.
If their policy and press is so bad, why did they hold on to the HR? If things are really so bad for the Republicans, you would expect them to be freezing in the political wilderness => they are not.
It is going to take a complex, nuanced analysis to get a decent picture of what occurred yesterday.
Because a senate and a presidential race are about nuance and the big picture, while a House race is about the local so it would seem the local can only takes you so far.
HoreTore
11-07-2012, 21:39
Did you watch the debates? Obama and Romney differed more in style than substance on most big issues.
CR
Obama is in favour of abortion. Romney is against. First red flag.
Romney is way more religious than Obama, and speaks about religion frequently. Second red flag.
Romney has no intention of implementing free healthcare. Obama at least has the will to try to move in that direction, even though it's watered down and chances are slim. Third red flag.
I could go on, but it should be obvious by now.
Republicans need to put up candidates for president with stances like Schwarzenegger or Mitt the Governor if they ever want the presidency back, but the fat heads on talk radio are already saying they lost because Mitt wasn't conservative enough (just like they said in 2008 about McCain). The disconnect from reality is mind-boggling. I look forward to more "divine rape" tea party candidates in the future.
Fisherking
11-07-2012, 21:47
Obama is in favour of abortion. Romney is against. First red flag.
Romney is way more religious than Obama, and speaks about religion frequently. Second red flag.
Romney has no intention of implementing free healthcare. Obama at least has the will to try to move in that direction, even though it's watered down and chances are slim. Third red flag.
I could go on, but it should be obvious by now.Boy are you fooled!
Don’t you know that Obama Care is what Romney got passed in MA. When he was Governor? Romney doesn’t believe any of that. He was pandering to his base just like the other guy. From what Obama has done since taking office he my be further right than Romney.
Politics- Acting, not much difference. All you got to see what who was the best liar.
HoreTore
11-07-2012, 21:57
Boy are you fooled!
Don’t you know that Obama Care is what Romney got passed in MA. When he was Governor? Romney doesn’t believe any of that. He was pandering to his base just like the other guy. From what Obama has done since taking office he my be further right than Romney.
Politics- Acting, not much difference. All you got to see what who was the best liar.
I do know that Obamacare is basically Romneycare. I would think of that as common knowledge in a thread like this, really. I'm surprised you made a point of it.
However, the republican voters are overwhelmingly opposed to ObamaRomneycare. If Romney were to do a 180 degree spin on what his voters wanted him to do, then he'd both have to be a lying cheating bastards as well as superhuman negotiation and communication skills to avoid completely loosing all reoublican support. I don't think he's either of those.
Romney was a republican governor in a democratic state back then. He needed to be very moderate. I'd say his healthcare is like his abortion stance - he wasn't against it back when he was governor, but he is now that he's making a national attempt.
Oh good Lord...
Just spent the last hour reading the pre- and post-election comments on dickmorris.com (http://www.dickmorris.com/prediction-romney-325-obama-213/). Haven't laughed this much in ages.
Fisherking
11-07-2012, 22:11
Abortion is an emotional issue. Turning it over to the states is the best idea but it does appeal to voters so both sides use it to get out the vote. It is not getting repealed. It is all smoke and mirrors like most of what they say.
Romney was not just a Republican Governor in a Democrat state. He was a Republican Governor in the most staunchly Democrat state that there is. MA. He won by appealing to Democrats, something he should have done this time if he really expected to get elected. The Republicans wouldn’t have voted for Oboma had he moved to the left. They may have stayed home but they would not have voted D with a gun to their head.
Honestly, I don’t think these guys believe in anything in particular, except themselves. Had he won there is not much that would have changed. The country would still have been in the same mess, they would just have a different person to blame.
Seamus Fermanagh
11-07-2012, 22:22
Xiahou: Loved the humorous reference in the post I thanksed.
How did the GOP hold the HofR. Redistricting. Take a look at the shapes of the various districts in some places. City mice vote Dem; Country mice vote GOP. This gives the GOP a mostly red map by space, but leaves them critically short in voter leverage in states with large population urban centers relative to overall state population. The redistricting has been effected so as to create districts with comfortable voter bases in make it very difficult for an opponent to win. Been going on like that for decades, but the GOP has controlled a majority of state governments for the last couple of census readjustments.
Strike For The South
11-07-2012, 23:07
You guys suck
Really you do.
But when and where do we suck? And on what do we suck? And do we suck continuously, or do we occasionally exhale?
Details, details.
Strike For The South
11-07-2012, 23:14
But when and where do we suck? And on what do we suck? And do we suck continuously, or do we occasionally exhale?
Details, details.
The best satire goes unnoticed
Tellos Athenaios
11-07-2012, 23:55
No need to be facetious.
The latest I'm hearing is that there were voting machine issues in key states. The final results don't tally with the exit polls there (exit polls are the gold standard for detecting vote tampering). There's no way a decorated war hero like romney would have lost without some kind of fraud.
I hear that the voting machine company basically bought the cheapest junk and called it "product" and then sold it off at tremendous profit, like any good capitalist is supposed to do. Unfortunately the vote fix feature was faulty, as might have been expected given the notoriously bad rep of QA on outsourced software and it did not produce the expected results.
Anyway, I expect that by 2016 this will all be fixed. People only have to "like" something on facebook, and if you are too old, too poor, or too much of a liberal snob to be on facebook you no longer get to vote... So that's all sorted.
Oh good Lord...
Just spent the last hour reading the pre- and post-election comments on dickmorris.com (http://www.dickmorris.com/prediction-romney-325-obama-213/). Haven't laughed this much in ages.
I particularly like:
When Romney bypassed Obama’s “firewall” states (like the Germans did the French Maginot Line in World War II), the president had not laid in the necessary prophylactic irradiation of negative ads, and three of the states embraced Romney.
Prophylatic irradiation of negative ads.
Beautiful prose.
I actually had some my old Army buddies unfriend me from Facebook after they learned I voted for Obama. :laugh4:
Yah, I just got unfriended today by friend who is an Army medic; she decided she couldn't tolerate knowing people who did not vote Romney.
When you let politics get to you like that? I think maybe you need medical help.
Gregoshi
11-08-2012, 02:23
I actually had some my old Army buddies unfriend me from Facebook after they learned I voted for Obama. :laugh4:
I have a friend who is frothing at the mouth over Obama's win and he ranted a bit last night. I know if I had bothered to comment on his tirade he'd almost certainly unfriend me - "dust off his boots" as he has called it in the past.
Kadagar_AV
11-08-2012, 02:28
I have quit contact with both my mother and sister, as they believe that "Sweden is an artificial creation, and that every culture and person has an equal right to it".
Seamus Fermanagh
11-08-2012, 02:33
I have quit contact with both my mother and sister, as they believe that "Sweden is an artificial creation, and that every culture and person has an equal right to it".
Do they understand that every collective polity -- unless utterly balkanized to a fare-the-well -- can be described as artificial if that is their standard?
On the other hand, I am not a fan of cutting off contact with close family because they hold viewpoints that are incorrect. You either agree to disagree or avoid the subject.
Kadagar_AV
11-08-2012, 02:48
SF, I can honestly say that I have no idea what they understand and not...
I was myself beaten rather badly not long ago by an immigrant gang. One of my students this summer got sent to Africa to have some forging done on her lady bits. Criminal statistics are sky rocketing and social security and economy goes to ****, all the while we take in 1% of the population a YEAR. And before people from the US complains, YOU get the educated ones, we get the ones you refuse. Before you complain, check comparative stats on education level of accepted immigrants between the countries. Heck, one of our Stockholm suburbs accepted more Iraqi refugees than ALL OF USA combined.
Comparative figures would be USA accepting 3,5+ million uneducated immigrants a year. Good luck.
I could only take my family's scolding when I argued against it for so many years, before I asked them to... ... ... some weeks ago.
EDIT: stupid zeroes
Yah, I just got unfriended today by friend who is an Army medic; she decided she couldn't tolerate knowing people who did not vote Romney.
When you let politics get to you like that? I think maybe you need medical help.
I can't imagine being that big of a douche when it comes to politics.
Strike For The South
11-08-2012, 03:06
SF, I can honestly say that I have no idea what they understand and not...
I was myself beaten rather badly not long ago by an immigrant gang. One of my students this summer got sent to Africa to have some forging done on her lady bits. Criminal statistics are sky rocketing and social security and economy goes to ****, all the while we take in 10% of the population a YEAR. And before people from the US complains, YOU get the educated ones, we get the ones you refuse. Before you complain, check comparative stats on education level of accepted immigrants between the countries. Heck, one of our Stockholm suburbs accepted more Iraqi refugees than ALL OF USA combined.
Comparative figures would be USA accepting 30+ million uneducated immigrants a year. Good luck.
I could only take my family's scolding when I argued against it for so many years, before I asked them to... ... ... some weeks ago.
Going to need a citation Swen
Kadagar_AV
11-08-2012, 03:30
Going to need a citation Swen
me too, 1% is the correct number. Edited.
Crazed Rabbit
11-08-2012, 03:57
Obama is in favour of abortion. Romney is against. First red flag.
Romney would not have been able to change anything, and probably has personal views that align with mainstream America (ie vaugely anti-abortion). Style difference.
Romney is way more religious than Obama, and speaks about religion frequently. Second red flag.
And what decisions would Romney's religiosity have affected? What actual impact would it have had? Style.
Romney has no intention of implementing free healthcare. Obama at least has the will to try to move in that direction, even though it's watered down and chances are slim. Third red flag.
Obamacare was in many ways a copy of Romneycare. Romney could not have repealed it, and Obama can not advance free healthcare any further. Style.
None of those would have led to meaningful policy differences.
CR
Romney, while a totally reasonable moderate republican, was hip-deep in the interests of the reactionaries
I guess my concern with Governor Romney was that he was unable to stand up to the reactionary/extremist elements in his own party in the primary. Why would we imagine he would do differently in the Presidency?
Going back to the point made in the OP, couldn't find the Economist piece, but here's similar data from a separate study. I seriously doubt you will find anything current that is much variant. The world does not need an apology.
https://i.imgur.com/n23YV.jpg
Fisherking
11-08-2012, 09:08
A good illustration of why Democrat “get out the vote drives” concentrate on immigrants and why proof of citizenship is not required. LOL
Do you have opinion polls on prison populations too?
The latest I'm hearing is that there were voting machine issues in key states. The final results don't tally with the exit polls there (exit polls are the gold standard for detecting vote tampering). There's no way a decorated war hero like romney would have lost without some kind of fraud.
Didn't he dodge the draft 5 times?
(I assume you are playing devil's advocate.)
Ironside
11-08-2012, 10:07
Style.
None of those would have led to meaningful policy differences.
CR
How many on an international level are aware of American policies in detail? For that matter, how many Amercians does (consider the examples of rejecting friendship because people voted for Obama)?
As long as you don't go into the details, style and presentation is all that matters for how you're percieved.
During most of the last 4 years, the US taxes has been the lowest in 50 years. Has that changed the perception of "socialist" Obama taxing the US heavily? No.
I was looking at the break down of the vote. It was pretty much -
In Army, Religious, Old, White and Male - Voted Republican
Everyone else - Voted Democrat
Pretty much fits the stereotype, I facepalmed.
Though, I think seriously that if the Republicans just completely dropped talking about Social-Conservative issues, deflecting them or say "I think these should be held at the State level", then I believe they would really win around a lot of votes. I am going to be pretty honest and say, do you really think your stereotypical republican will go "Mitt Romney is not saying he is anti-abortion enough, I am going to vote Democrat". He should simply stop pandering to the extremes since he will get that vote regardless.
There you go, free advice on how to get into power.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-08-2012, 21:22
Aren't you white and male?
Liberals baffle me sometimes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpt3GSxp25U
He should simply stop pandering to the extremes since he will get that vote regardless.
Except that it won't work. If he doesn't pander to the purists, he won't get the nomination. Look at Dick Lugar: he dared to be his own man, got primaried out, his tea party darling successor decides to run his mouth about rape and God's will == seat goes to the Dems. GOP needs to cleanse itself of the fundamentalist rabble. They're a liability at this point.
Aren't you white and male?
It was a good strategy when winning a majority of that demographic by itself was enough to win an election. Unfortunately, the white male doesn't seem to have as much strength in his polling these days...
*ahem*
penis.
HoreTore
11-08-2012, 21:55
Once you go black you never go back, eh?
Once you go black you never go back, eh?
It's hard to deny the attractiveness of the black man's polling, particularly among single white women.
HoreTore
11-08-2012, 22:01
It's hard to deny the attractiveness of the black man's polling, particularly among single white women.
Thank you, now I'll never be able to avoid laughing when someone mentions how high Obama scored with white females...
Kadagar_AV
11-08-2012, 23:39
I don't buy it. I'm a young, white, religious Army veteran and I voted Obama. Nearly everyone in this entire town voted Obama, and this is one lilly white town.
You have internet access AND use it. Of course you vote Obama.
Strike For The South
11-08-2012, 23:43
As a white man, I can feel the power slipping threw my fingers
It's time to take my small buisness and massive untaxed earnings elsewhere
Tellos Athenaios
11-08-2012, 23:56
I don't buy it. I'm a young, white, religious Army veteran and I voted Obama. Nearly everyone in this entire town voted Obama, and this is one lilly white town.
By your own admission you do not qualify as "Old" so obviously, you voted Obama.
Seriously though: you pretty much have to fit the stereotype to not have been on the receiving end of abuse from the GOP propaganda machine and/or affiliated outlets. Me I am not likely to vote for you if all you have to offer is abuse.
Sasaki Kojiro
11-09-2012, 00:34
This is from an earlier poll, but I bet it's mostly accurate:
http://i47.tinypic.com/2eygbc1.png
No offense, but who should America give a shit about what the rest of the shit-hole world thinks? All we gotta do is look at them if we need a reason to not take their advice. They don't want the same things as us, and many times want the exact opposite. (though they are happy to suck our nipples dry constantly)
Europe wanted Obama? They can keep him! Of course they wouldn't want him as a leader of their countries, but they want him for the US. No offense to you Euroweiners, but governmentally speaking, you suck. You are a perfect example of everything not to do! They only better examples you could find are Africa and South America!
As far as whether you want an apology or not, you may not now, but wait till he starts WWIII, and then you will condemn him and America as you condemned Hitler and Germany, even though you were completely in favor of Hitler taking control in Germany. You help us come under the control of a dicator, and then will blame us when the shit hits the fan.
Strike For The South
11-09-2012, 00:47
No offense, but who should America give a shit about what the rest of the shit-hole world thinks? All we gotta do is look at them if we need a reason to not take their advice. They don't want the same things as us, and many times want the exact opposite. (though they are happy to suck our nipples dry constantly)
Europe wanted Obama? They can keep him! Of course they wouldn't want him as a leader of their countries, but they want him for the US. No offense to you Euroweiners, but governmentally speaking, you suck. You are a perfect example of everything not to do! They only better examples you could find are Africa and South America!
As far as whether you want an apology or not, you may not now, but wait till he starts WWIII, and then you will condemn him and America as you condemned Hitler and Germany, even though you were completely in favor of Hitler taking control in Germany. You help us come under the control of a dicator, and then will blame us when the shit hits the fan.
Literally Christmas
http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/page/4
Literally Christmas
http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/page/4
That is one of the more hilarious things I've seen in a while. Poor white people...
Mourning? Nah, actually a little giddy and vindictive. No, not the responsible or mature thing to do, but I am gonna have a lot of fun saying "I told you so" as the country tears itself to pieces. I'll feel really sorry for those who voted against Obama, because they don't deserve this, but I will have no pity for those who did not.
Montmorency
11-09-2012, 01:14
What year is this? I thought 2008 had already passed.
Strike For The South
11-09-2012, 01:21
Mourning? Nah, actually a little giddy and vindictive. No, not the responsible or mature thing to do, but I am gonna have a lot of fun saying "I told you so" as the country tears itself to pieces. I'll feel really sorry for those who voted against Obama, because they don't deserve this, but I will have no pity for those who did not.
Oh god. The level of detachment is hilarious
Mourning? Nah, actually a little giddy and vindictive. No, not the responsible or mature thing to do, but I am gonna have a lot of fun saying "I told you so" as the country tears itself to pieces. I'll feel really sorry for those who voted against Obama, because they don't deserve this, but I will have no pity for those who did not.
Barring the Mayan prophesy coming to fruition, the doomsday clock is unlikely to move forward. No longer motivated by the ability to unseat Obama, the GOP House will likely come to a budgetary compromise before the year's end.
No longer motivated by the ability to unseat Obama, the GOP House will likely come to a budgetary compromise before the year's end.
According to Xiahou, this line of thinking is not only wrong; it is literally incomprehensible.
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And Vuk, keep going man. Please. Tell us about the end of 'Merica. I need more, more, more!
https://i.imgur.com/QJ60d.jpg
Barring the Mayan prophesy coming to fruition, the doomsday clock is unlikely to move forward. No longer motivated by the ability to unseat Obama, the GOP House will likely come to a budgetary compromise before the year's end.
Life must be pleasant in HappyDale.
a completely inoffensive name
11-09-2012, 01:46
I think it is good that Obama won by carrying the vast majority of minorities. Having white males carry entire elections just perpetuates inequalities, whether or not the white males themselves are racist because politicians will only cater to their needs.
Way back when, white meant Anglo-Saxon and those Catholic Irish, Polish and Italians were groups in their own right. We saw a large nativist movement in the US in the 1800s but it died as the demographics of southern/eastern europeans grew too large for politicians to simply ignore. In turn, our two party system which likes to thread together separate groups under large umbrellas of common goals, changed the notion of what white was, from Protestant Anglo-Saxons to anyone with light skin. Now that Blacks, Hispanics and Asians are required to win an election, we shall see parties unite separate race blocks together under common ideologies of fiscal or social conservatism/liberalism (the most religious block in the US isn't part of the Republican Party, it's the married African-Americans). As such, the institutionalized racism that minorities today live under, will erode and we will become better for it.
I am enjoying the overreaction/freakout of the right entirely too much (http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html)
I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.
I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.
Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere.
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Oh dear lord, the idiot gave an on-the-record interview. (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/eric-dondero-boycott-democrat-libertarian.html)
No offense to you Euroweiners, but governmentally speaking, you suck. You are a perfect example of everything not to do!
Says the guy from the country with the archaic, chaotic voting system that is supposedly in need of a huge overhaul which it doesn't get.
And concerning government, yours has been pretty much deadlocked for some years, so much so that you're nearing a financial catastrophe simply because of the deadlock situation. And then, almost as if you didn't believe your own words, you follow up with this gem:
but I am gonna have a lot of fun saying "I told you so" as the country tears itself to pieces.
Yes, you really must believe that your country and voting system are superior. :laugh4:
Comrade Lemur,
I feel it is my duty as a collectivist to report citizen Vuk for anti-socialist activity. In my opinion citizen Vuk presents a danger to the impending American Socialist Utopia and he must be shown the error of his ways. Our newest Socialist re-education camp in the coal mines of Ironwood, Michigan will be fully operational by the end of November. I believe that five years of 3rd degree reeducation would be appropriate, and upon his release citizen Vuk will make a fine example of a perfectly resocialized resident. Please forward my recommendation to the Midwestern Regional Politburo.
Respectfully,
Comrade RVG
HopAlongBunny
11-09-2012, 03:22
I think Lemur's post points directly at the decline in the fortitude of the Conservative cause.
Time was the "Abandon all hope" reaction was to leap heroically from skyscapers, or courageously face down a freight or Amtrack train one on one. Now!? Unfriend ppl, don't go to their parties, become a social isolate; Pah! How far ye have fallen.
Seamus Fermanagh
11-09-2012, 04:14
I think Lemur's post points directly at the decline in the fortitude of the Conservative cause.
Time was the "Abandon all hope" reaction was to leap heroically from skyscapers, or courageously face down a freight or Amtrack train one on one. Now!? Unfriend ppl, don't go to their parties, become a social isolate; Pah! How far ye have fallen.
Better than pulling a Charles Whitman.
Says the guy from the country with the archaic, chaotic voting system that is supposedly in need of a huge overhaul which it doesn't get.
And concerning government, yours has been pretty much deadlocked for some years, so much so that you're nearing a financial catastrophe simply because of the deadlock situation. And then, almost as if you didn't believe your own words, you follow up with this gem:
Yes, you really must believe that your country and voting system are superior. :laugh4:
But you are missing the point that our recent problems are the result of becoming too much like you Euros. The only inherent flaw (which isn't actually a flaw, because it is sadly just) is that our government will always be the one we deserve with out system. We keep becoming less American, and are paying for it.
Montmorency
11-09-2012, 05:18
On the flip side, we keep becoming more American.
This sort of statement is worthless.
But you are missing the point that our recent problems are the result of becoming too much like you Euros. The only inherent flaw (which isn't actually a flaw, because it is sadly just) is that our government will always be the one we deserve with out system. We keep becoming less American, and are paying for it.
Our recent problems are the result of our old ways crumbling and falling apart from being outdated, inefficient, or just plain dumb to begin with. It's funny that you're saying this to a German, a country that puts America to shame in nearly every conceivable measure besides number of nuclear attack submarines and type 2 diabetes sufferers.
I am enjoying the overreaction/freakout of the right entirely too much (http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html)
I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.
I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.
Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere.
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Oh dear lord, the idiot gave an on-the-record interview. (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/eric-dondero-boycott-democrat-libertarian.html)
Hey look, it's Vuk!
a completely inoffensive name
11-09-2012, 09:42
Panel 1: No crazy posters in this thread.
Panel 2: Oh shit, it's Vuk!
https://i.imgur.com/mGp50l.jpg
a completely inoffensive name
11-09-2012, 09:52
No offense to you Euroweiners, but governmentally speaking, you suck. You are a perfect example of everything not to do! They only better examples you could find are Africa and South America!
I am gonna have a lot of fun saying "I told you so" as the country tears itself to pieces. I'll feel really sorry for those who voted against Obama, because they don't deserve this, but I will have no pity for those who did not.
The only inherent flaw (which isn't actually a flaw, because it is sadly just) is that our government will always be the one we deserve with out system. We keep becoming less American, and are paying for it.
I want to say something funny, but this is just sad.
But you are missing the point that our recent problems are the result of becoming too much like you Euros. The only inherent flaw (which isn't actually a flaw, because it is sadly just) is that our government will always be the one we deserve with out system. We keep becoming less American, and are paying for it.
Now you sound like those guys on welfare who keep blaming everyone else for their own problems. America isn't great anymore because you failed to make/keep it great, instead of blaming everyone else for that you should get off your sofa and actually do something! This whole "it's the europeans/unamerican americans!!!" whining makes you sound like a liberal democrat-voting commie.
I am enjoying the overreaction/freakout of the right entirely too much (http://www.libertarianrepublican.net/2012/11/the-end-of-liberty-in-america-only.html)
I am going to un-friend every single individual on Facebook who voted for Obama, or I even suspect may have Democrat leanings. I will do the same in person. All family and friends, even close family and friends, who I know to be Democrats are hereby dead to me. I vow never to speak to them again for the rest of my life, or have any communications with them. They are in short, the enemies of liberty. They deserve nothing less than hatred and utter contempt.
I strongly urge all other libertarians to do the same. Are you married to someone who voted for Obama, have a girlfriend who voted 'O'. Divorce them. Break up with them without haste. Vow not to attend family functions, Thanksgiving dinner or Christmas for example, if there will be any family members in attendance who are Democrats.
Do you work for someone who voted for Obama? Quit your job. Co-workers who voted for Obama. Simply don't talk to them in the workplace, unless your boss instructs you too for work-related only purposes. Have clients who voted Democrat? Call them up this morning and tell them to take their business elsewhere.
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Oh dear lord, the idiot gave an on-the-record interview. (http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2012/11/eric-dondero-boycott-democrat-libertarian.html)
this HAS to be some sort of onion-like parody.
anyone that deep off his rocker couldn´t even tie his shoelaces for himself, let alone post a text on the internet.
Guys, guys. Chill out. It doesn't matter which of the two sell outs will follow Rothschilds' master plan. Please continue consuming fluoridated water and toothpaste, soda with aspartame in it, GMO corn, meat and dairy products and continue breathing in those fresh chem trails. Also be sure to vaccinate yourselves against bird flu, swine flu, mad cow disease and headaches. The FEMA camps, trains and plastic coffins are ready and waiting.
(Tinfoil hat is on and prepared)
To the rest of the world [etc]
I'm fairly certain that therestoftheworld 'istan, were mostly grateful that the US voted for the lesser evil...
Sarmatian
11-09-2012, 13:13
On the flip side, we keep becoming more American.
This sort of statement is worthless.
I don't know. I think I'm becoming more Brazilian as huge sandy beaches and girl playing topless volleyball appeal to me more and more.
I don't know. I think I'm becoming more Brazilian as huge sandy beaches and girl playing topless volleyball appeal to me more and more.
It is a scientifically proven fact that Brazillian women have the best butts.
It is a scientifically proven fact that Brazillian women have the best butts.
Popozao
Ironside
11-09-2012, 13:58
this HAS to be some sort of onion-like parody.
anyone that deep off his rocker couldn´t even tie his shoelaces for himself, let alone post a text on the internet.
While extreme, the rethoric in the US has been radical enough for this to make somewhat sense. If they voted in the devil himself (or looniest Poturgise party gets power), how would you react?
HoreTore
11-09-2012, 14:11
While extreme, the rethoric in the US has been radical enough for this to make somewhat sense. If they voted in the devil himself (or looniest Poturgise party gets power), how would you react?
Indeed, we have vuk here on this board making statements about Obama starting WW3, for example.
Though I still wouldn't rule out mental illness...
gaelic cowboy
11-09-2012, 14:56
Literally Christmas
http://whitepeoplemourningromney.tumblr.com/page/4
I really hope that one with the girl who says she is gonna hit for Oz is real, appreently she is going cos there Prez is a Christian :laugh4: and actually supports what he says, :laugh4:
That poor girleens head is going to explode when she finds out the Aussie Prime Minster is a women and an atheist to boot
gaelic cowboy
11-09-2012, 15:16
Now here is something I would like to know is it possible this could get violent????
The strategy of doubling down on some mythical white mainstream America has clearly failed.
Sarmatian
11-09-2012, 15:24
Now here is something I would like to know given whats happened with the strategy of doubling down on the mythical white mainstream America is it possible this could get violent????
It already have
Election: Total War
https://i.imgur.com/HjJOch.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/zwIq2h.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/NEorch.jpg
this HAS to be some sort of onion-like parody.
anyone that deep off his rocker couldn´t even tie his shoelaces for himself, let alone post a text on the internet.
Nope, it appears to be legit. The guy who wrote it has a long and verifiable history (http://www.legistorm.com/person/Eric_Dondero_Rittberg/41241.html), most recently as a Ron Paul advisor. He's for real.
So is this (http://youtu.be/wLoqti0lzAw), which contains profanity and the hilarious/horrifying sight of a human being imploding into madness.
This makes me glad that Romney didn't win, it keeps these people out of power.
These reactions show that I underestimated Republicans in their loony-fringe, and that is really not a good thing.
Anything that keeps Dan Senor (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dan_Senor) away from having any power over our foreign policy is a positive development.
(How is an incompetent ideologue like him still employed? I have no freakin' idea.)
Seamus Fermanagh
11-09-2012, 16:31
Now you sound like those guys on welfare who keep blaming everyone else for their own problems. America isn't great anymore because you failed to make/keep it great, instead of blaming everyone else for that you should get off your sofa and actually do something! This whole "it's the europeans/unamerican americans!!!" whining makes you sound like a liberal democrat-voting commie.
One of life's little truisms. You really do get the governance you deserve.
One of life's little truisms. You really do get the governance you deserve.
Yeah, the country as a whole does. Unfortunately, the 51% of retards will take the 49% of good people with them. THAT really sucks.
The Lurker Below
11-09-2012, 16:38
Hello guys, excuse my question (tin foil and all that) but why does it matter which of the two actors will play the role of president? The banking elite and the corporations have been calling the shots since you dropped the gold standard and allowed the Federal Reserve to print your dollars. The last guy who tried to work against them got shot in the head.
The last 4 years a little more than half the people have dissaproved of POTUS performance. In 4 more years that approval rating will still linger around 45%. Had the other guy been elected I suspect his approval rating would have been around 45%. Obama administration has been a near mirror of Bush administration. Past performance and stated objectives leads one to believe Romney would have been much the same. Anyhow, congratulations rest of world: at least you feel better about our meaningless election.
Myth: was unaware of that guy's work re: gold standard, Federal Reserve, etc. Any recommended source for me to learn more about that?
So is this (http://youtu.be/wLoqti0lzAw), which contains profanity and the hilarious/horrifying sight of a human being imploding into madness.
This is one of the greatest things I've seen on youtube in a long time.
Yeah, the country as a whole does. Unfortunately, the 51% of retards will take the 49% of good people with them. THAT really sucks.
I wouldn't call the Democrats as good people. Just not as bad as the Republicans.
I should not be enjoying this, but I am (http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/11/08/4399621/hardin-county-gop-official-wants.html)
Texas Republicans are already using the s-word.
One party official from Southeast Texas calls for -- not secession -- separation.
"Why should Vermont and Texas live under the same government?" writes Hardin County Republican treasurer Peter Morrison, a Ron Paul supporter and author of a race-heavy Tea Party newsletter.
"Let each go her own way," he writes, demanding an "amicable divorce" from the U.S. and from the "maggots" who re-elected President Obama. [...]
"'They' re-elected Obama," Morrison wrote. "He is their president."
Morrison was chosen by former State Board of Education Chairman Don McLeroy to help screen Texas public school textbooks. [...]
I called Kent Batman of Kountze, chairman of the Hardin County Republican Party, to ask if the rest of his county party backs secession.
Batman's response: "Wow."
He sighed and said, "OK, well -- I guess I need to start taking a look at his newsletters."
Funny that I don't remember you digging up and posting the things the loonies were saying when Bush got elected. Much double standard?
Ser Clegane
11-09-2012, 20:14
Funny that I don't remember you digging up and posting the things the loonies were saying when Bush got elected. Much double standard?
Have you even been at the org back then?
I joined in early 2006, and the total wacko conspiracy theories about Bush did not start become really popular till late 2006, early 2007. That when they started becoming mainstream and in your face, and when posters on this board were going crazy with them. Where was little Mr. Lemmy then?
gaelic cowboy
11-09-2012, 20:20
Funny that I don't remember you digging up and posting the things the loonies were saying when Bush got elected. Much double standard?
But sure that would be your job vuk as resident conservative yes/no
But sure that would be your job vuk as resident conservative yes/no
Well, Lemur has claimed in the past to be impartial, and said that the only reason he posts so much dirt on conservatives is because they are so much worse. If that were true though, he would have been posting all the loony leftist stuff, but he didn't.
https://i.imgur.com/ORe1B.jpg
And yet talk radio acts like Obama only won because smelly, dirty-faced, diseased immigrants voted for him. :laugh4:
Education does not equal intelligence. Must of those States with lower rates of education are also the States in which there is less demand in the workplace for those degrees, so they are not as good an investment.
gaelic cowboy
11-09-2012, 20:58
Well, Lemur has claimed in the past to be impartial, and said that the only reason he posts so much dirt on conservatives is because they are so much worse. If that were true though, he would have been posting all the loony leftist stuff, but he didn't.
Or it could be that no one could bring themselves to defend GWB the 2nd by 2006 cos he deserved all of the opprobrium he got
Sarmatian
11-09-2012, 21:02
I just don't get why the conservatives are so angry with Obama? What has he done so extraordinary wrong to warrant such hate, yes I believe hate is the right word?
Ok, you don't like leftist democrats but I don't remember there was such an outrage with Clinton. Obama didn't really do anything that right or wrong, no matter whether you agree with it or not.
Of the serious issues:
1) He downsized American army in Iraq and Afghanistan, with the intent of pulling out eventually. He didn't pull the rug from under their feet, it's being done gradually. And by getting Bin-Laden, it's basically a simbolic victory in the end.
2) He pushed through half-baked medical care law. Ok, some people may not like it, but that's hardly the end of the world. Do you know how many half-baked bills got through from 1776 to this day, and USA still stands?
3) he talks about taxing the rich more. Ok, I understand why some might think that is a bad idea, but again, I'm pretty sure tax rates changed many times up and down since 1776 to this day and still, the USA's here.
4) he actually improved the image of America in the rest of the world. Conservative or no, you have to give him that.
What I'm saying, even you disagree with what he did, realistically you could say that he reign so far was average to poor. Ok, we lived through 4 years, we'll live through another 4 and then we'll get somebody else. What I don't get is why people feel it was disastrous and why there are talks of secession and the country disintegrating? That's really taking it to the extreme
gaelic cowboy
11-09-2012, 21:07
Ah they went mental with Clinton too I remember he was supposed to be a one term Prez too cos it was apparently all Ross Perots fault.
There was congressional gridlock
they had religious nuts going ape over Hilliary, also I remember they tried to impeach him and that Starr fella seems to have been on a one man crusade again him.
GWB got in because Clinton was apparently damaged goods and was supposed to stay away from Gores campaign, I remeber a tv spot where a little girl said she wanted bush to win cos she wanted a prexz to be proud of (in reality she and they really meant an overtly religious prez)
Well they got what they wanted with GWB 2 and it landed them in a hole so big that people actually voted for a black prez twice
Yeah, the Congress actually impeached a sitting President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton) for perjury (which is hard to construe as a "high crime and misdemeanor" no matter how hard you squint at the Constitution), so let's not go pretending the GOP was sane and balanced under Clinton.
On an unrelated note, I find it interesting that in the case of both Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney, the public was told that they were better managers than Obama could possibly be. And yet in both cases they were clearly, painfully out-organized and out-strategized.
Surely the first test of the organizational prowess of a candidate would be his or her own campaign, yes? Any thoughts on that?
And yet talk radio acts like Obama only won because smelly, dirty-faced, diseased immigrants voted for him. :laugh4:
Glenn Beck has already said it...the universities are the source of the "infection"
Sarmatian
11-09-2012, 21:13
Yeah, the Congress actually impeached a sitting President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton) for perjury (which is hard to construe as a "high crime and misdemeanor" no matter how hard you squint at the Constitution), so let's not go pretending the GOP was sane and balanced under Clinton.
On an unrelated note, I find it interesting that in the case of both Hillary Clinton and Mitt Romney, the public was told that they were better managers than Obama could possibly be. And yet in both cases they were clearly, painfully out-organized and out-strategized.
Surely the first test of the organizational prowess of a candidate would be his or her own campaign, yes? Any thoughts on that?
Ok, but that was over a sex-scandal, unrelated to his political ability, even if his taste in women was questionable, if I am allowed to so notice.
Were there crazy Texans screaming secession back then?
gaelic cowboy
11-09-2012, 21:16
Ok, but that was over a sex-scandal, unrelated to his political ability, even if his taste in women was questionable, if I am allowed to so notice.
Were there crazy Texans screaming secession back then?
Yes there were but no paid them much heed except an unremarkable politician from Crawford Texas.
Also do you remeber how Newt Gingrich was apparently for a while more powerful than the Prez with his contract and all that other stuff.
Sarmatian
11-09-2012, 21:24
Yes there were but no paid them much heed except an unremarkable politician from Crawford Texas.
Also do you remeber how Newt Gingrich was apparently for a while more powerful than the Prez with his contract and all that other stuff.
So, what you're saying, this is business as usual?
gaelic cowboy
11-09-2012, 21:26
So, what you're saying, this is business as usual?
pretty much I would say that is correct
it's just that now there is more sat tv and more internet etc etc which gives these people a 24hr global audience
Sasaki Kojiro
11-09-2012, 21:34
https://i.imgur.com/ORe1B.jpg
And yet talk radio acts like Obama only won because smelly, dirty-faced, diseased immigrants voted for him. :laugh4:
http://i45.tinypic.com/fu2rgk.jpg
Education does not equal intelligence. Must of those States with lower rates of education are also the States in which there is less demand in the workplace for those degrees, so they are not as good an investment.
That wasn't the point. The point is Obama got elected with help from more than smelly barbarians.
Strike For The South
11-09-2012, 22:04
Nope, it appears to be legit. The guy who wrote it has a long and verifiable history (http://www.legistorm.com/person/Eric_Dondero_Rittberg/41241.html), most recently as a Ron Paul advisor. He's for real.
So is this (http://youtu.be/wLoqti0lzAw), which contains profanity and the hilarious/horrifying sight of a human being imploding into madness.
this can't be real
If that were true though, he would have been posting all the loony leftist stuff, but he didn't.
Actually, Lemur was very critical of Loony leftist stuff, because I remember me and him getting into incidents over a few things. In my defence, I wasn't exactly loony, it was more misinformed, funnily enough, from the conservative media.
Yeah, the Congress actually impeached a sitting President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton) for perjury (which is hard to construe as a "high crime and misdemeanor" no matter how hard you squint at the Constitution), so let's not go pretending the GOP was sane and balanced under Clinton.Yeah, since perjury is a felony and not a misdemeanor. :verycool:
Obama decides the decades long tradition (http://www.buzzfeed.com/andrewkaczynski/obamas-end-tradition-of-post-election-press-confe), starting with Reagan, of actually taking questions from the press after re-election is beneath him. Seems we're off to a good start.
President Obama delivered a statement today, his first to the White House press corps since winning reelection, calling for a balanced approach to fix the deficit that included cuts and revenue increases.
The president, however, did not take questions, the first time a reelected president has done so since before Ronald Reagan's reelection in 1984.Remember back when Bush was criticized for not having enough press conferences? Pfft... ~:handball:
Sasaki Kojiro
11-10-2012, 04:31
Can you blame him? The press have had it in for him since the day he was elected.
http://www.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeedpolitics/what-the-2012-election-would-have-looked-like-with
Is actually a slightly interesting take. Came up as I was reading the link Xiahou posted.
Ironside
11-10-2012, 11:25
I joined in early 2006, and the total wacko conspiracy theories about Bush did not start become really popular till late 2006, early 2007. That when they started becoming mainstream and in your face, and when posters on this board were going crazy with them. Where was little Mr. Lemmy then?
Posting it to mock it?
Honestly, I don't remember who or in what way the "Jesusland of America" map got posted, although it's possible to find out (forum keeps all backroom threads since 2005), but in this case where Lemur is posting politically silly (and/or over the top) stuff, then him being "there", would mean more sillyness posted.
Seamus Fermanagh
11-13-2012, 03:21
Yeah, the Congress actually impeached a sitting President (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeachment_of_Bill_Clinton) for perjury (which is hard to construe as a "high crime and misdemeanor" no matter how hard you squint at the Constitution), so let's not go pretending the GOP was sane and balanced under Clinton.
They should have scheduled the vote for "obstruction of justice" FIRST. When that failed -- and it was the only charge that fit the "high crimes and misdemeanors" standard -- the rest of the sad effort should have been bagged. The follow through as was displayed Renquist's fashion statement for CJ's and nothing else.
Some people are just stupid (http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2012/11/13/15137488-police-arizona-woman-runs-down-husband-with-car-for-not-voting?lite)...
Click this link if you want to lose some brain cells:
http://pro.stansberryresearch.com/1210THIRDLIA/OPSINB05/
gaelic cowboy
11-15-2012, 16:13
Click this link if you want to lose some brain cells:
http://pro.stansberryresearch.com/1210THIRDLIA/OPSINB05/
seems like he spends half the vid telling us about some massive force and then never tells you what it is at all at all.
I assume he created this because he want's people to invest in his magic bean company or something.
Goofball
11-15-2012, 23:24
Education does not equal intelligence. Must of those States with lower rates of education are also the States in which there is less demand in the workplace for those degrees, so they are not as good an investment.
Education does, however, indicate a person who has had to learn mental discipline and train themselves to think critically. Education is also the enemy of ignorance.
this can't be real
This is hilarious.
Montmorency
11-16-2012, 00:00
Education does, however, indicate a person who has had to learn mental discipline and train themselves to think critically. Education is also the enemy of ignorance.
Plastic surgery is the enemy of age.
CrossLOPER
11-17-2012, 20:07
Plastic surgery is the enemy of age.
Are we bringing in Social Darwanism? OOOOOOOOO.
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