another problem with marian reforms...

[MaximusDecimus]

I know there have been tons of posts on here about obtaining the Marian reformed army. I have looked through tons of forum threads, know the requirements..and I'm still confused.

It is 201 BC in my game, I own 87 settlements, and am sure I have conquered well over 90. Must I wait until 172 to get the new reforms, or should it be immediate? Many forum answers have said that you have to wait until 172, and many others have said they should be immediate. Can anyone give me a definitive answer? Thank you for your time.

[Ca Putt]

I'm pretty sure that conquer means to HOLD the settlements. Taking them and losing them afterwards is called "raiding" in Reform/victory conditions. so you'll have to expand your Empire by 3 provinces, at that point you should get them after a few turns of waiting.

[d'Arthez]

As Ca Putt said, you need to remain in control of these provinces. For the unconditional Marian reforms, you need to control no fewer than 90 settlements. You should conquer 3 more provinces and hold the settlements.

Also, they will not trigger if you have not fulfilled the requirements for the Camillian reforms (owning 2 out of the three Sicilian provinces, and 2 out of 4 of the North Italian ones, if memory serves).

Once you do fulfill the requirements, reforms should kick in the next turn. Don't think there will be a delay of the reforms triggering, since it is perfectly possible to bypass Polybian reforms completely (to go from Camillian to Marian, you would need to hold 90 provinces + fulfill the requirements for the Camillian reforms).

[Ca Putt]

Camillian reforms?

Eh, afaik those take place somewhere between 300 BC and the life of camillus(around 400 BC) which is why you start out with "camillian reforms". I think you're muddling up the reforms, it's Polybian - Marian - Augustean not Camillian - Polybian - Marian.
I don'T know if you can skip the Polybian reforms or the Marians for that matter, however I have great respect for everyone who fulfilles the 90 Province requirement pre 210, with neither those 4 provinces nor Polybian units. ;)

[d'Arthez]

Also, they will not trigger if you have not fulfilled the requirements for the Camillian reforms (owning 2 out of the three Sicilian provinces, and 2 out of 4 of the North Italian ones, if memory serves).

Once you do fulfill the requirements, reforms should kick in the next turn. Don't think there will be a delay of the reforms triggering, since it is perfectly possible to bypass Polybian reforms completely (to go from Camillian to Marian, you would need to hold 90 provinces + fulfill the requirements for the Camillian reforms).

Should have read:

Also, they will not trigger if you have not fulfilled the requirements for the Polybian reforms (owning 2 out of the three Sicilian provinces, and 2 out of 4 of the North Italian ones, if memory serves).
Once you do fulfill the requirements, reforms should kick in the next turn. Don't think there will be a delay of the reforms triggering, since it is perfectly possible to bypass Polybian reforms completely (to go from Camillian to Marian, you would need to hold 90 provinces + fulfill the requirements for the Polybian reforms).


Thanks for pointing it out.