I was accosted by a Jewish hobo today...

[spankythehippo]

So, I was walking down the street in the grimy part of Redfern today. Out of nowhere, a hobo runs up to me from across the street and starts screaming at me to take my shirt off and burn it. At first, I was incredibly confused. Then I looked at my shirt. It was a Slayer shirt. I look at him and I can see a ragged kippeh and remnants of his peyot.

Turns out, the only Slayer song he knows is Angel of Death, and believes that I'm anti-Semitic. These are the lyrics of the song, and it's about Josef Mengele.



Auschwitz, the meaning of pain
The way that I want you to die
Slow death, immense decay
Showers that cleanse you of your life
Forced in
Like cattle
You run
Stripped of
Your life's worth
Human mice, for the angel of death
Four hundred thousand more to die

Angel of death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead

Sadistic, surgeon of demise
Sadist of the noblest blood
Destroying, without mercy
To benefit the aryan race

Surgery, with no anesthesia
Feel the knife pierce you intensely
Inferior, no use to mankind
Strapped down screaming out to die

Angel of death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher,
Angel of death

Pumped with fluid, inside your brain
Pressure in your skull begins pushing through your eyes
Burning flesh, drips away
Test of heat burns your skin, your mind starts to boil
Frigid cold, cracks your limbs
How long can you last
In this frozen water burial?
Sewn together, joining heads
Just a matter of time
'til you rip yourselves apart
Millions laid out in their
Crowded tombs
Sickening ways to achieve
The holocaust

Seas of blood, bury life
Smell your death as it burns
Deep inside of you
Abacinate, eyes that bleed
Praying for the end of
Your wide awake nightmare
Wings of pain, reach out for you
His face of death staring down,
Your blood running cold
Injecting cells, dying eyes
Feeding on the screams of
The mutants he's creating
Pathetic harmless victims
Left to die
Rancid angel of death
Flying free

(leads: hanneman, king, hanneman, king, hanneman)

Angel of death
Monarch to the kingdom of the dead
Infamous butcher,
Angel of death

Angel of death


The absurdity of the situation made me burst out laughing, which only infuriated him more. So I walked away, while he was standing on the pavement, screaming that I was committing sacrilege.

Given the very hostile religious climate in the Backroom, I thought I'd post this to remind us of how ridiculous religion is.

As you were, gents.

[Fragony]

Point him out to the nearest wall to wail at, it isn't the real thing but it should do

[Rhyfelwyr]

Well now I've been reminded of now ridiculous religion is.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

That's a pretty unpleasant song - I can see how that could be taken out of context.

[Fragony]

That's a pretty unpleasant song - I can see how that could be taken out of context.

It should be pretty obvious to anyone worth considering that he got the context wrong. The guy simply doesn't understand the lyrics.

[spankythehippo]

Well now I've been reminded of now ridiculous religion is.
Whoops. I didn't mention why the hobo made religion look ridiculous.

He was yelling about how the Zionists control the world, and how Jews made the world what it is, and how the Jews are superior. I don't look Jewish, so he used the fact I wore a Slayer shirt to tell me how inferior I am. He said, and I quote, "Hashem will sort out scum like you. WHEN YOU'RE DEAD! YOU WILL DIE! AND I'LL MAKE SURE YOU MEET HASHEM!" That's what made me laugh. In my defence, I'd also like to say, that I was under the influence of certain substances. So I'm not quite sure if it happened at all. It seemed very real to me. But that could just mean I get some really good hash.

To sum it all up, I had a good trip down Stoner Avenue and laughed at a crazed religious hobo. That's why religion is ridiculous, because I'm high.

EDIITL I don;t think I'll remember making this. So I apologise in advance for not using evidence. That's for you PVC and total realisticism.

[drone]

God hates us all.

[Major Robert Dump]

I hate it when I take the pot and then hallucinate Zionist hobo

[Seamus Fermanagh]

God hates us all.

I do not believe so. I think you are failing to account for a God-like appreciation of humor.

[drone]

I think you are failing to account for a God-like appreciation of humor.

Au contraire. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God_Hates_Us_All) ~D

[Lemur]

God hates us all.
But most of all, Florida (http://now.msn.com/florida-weird-news-2012-year-in-review).

[TinCow]

I was not screaming. I was simply trying to emphasize my point.


















Goddamn gentiles...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

But most of all, Florida (http://now.msn.com/florida-weird-news-2012-year-in-review).

Stop making fun of my local evening news....

[Hooahguy]

Ha! Hahahahaha!

I find this absolutely hilarious.

Anybody want to hear a good holocaust joke?

[Visor]

Ha! Hahahahaha!

I find this absolutely hilarious.

Anybody want to hear a good holocaust joke?

Have you heard about the new German Microwave?

It's got ten seats inside.

Unrelated, but one of my favourites:

What do Pink Floyd and Princess Diana have in common?

Their last big hit was The Wall.

On a similar vein: Did you hear about Princess Diana? She was all over the radio. And the dashboard.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I know it is just me that finds this distasteful but it's really not nice.

[Kadagar_AV]

This first year instructor walked up to me some weeks ago:

Him: I am a better instructor than You!
Me: Now why is that?
Him: I got tip today.
Me: So? I get tip all the time.
Him: ... By a jew...
Me: :hail:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

The best music is usually offensive to someone, somehow, some way. Especially when the subject matter makes them too uncomfortable to pay proper attention.

Yeah - but you can write a metal song about the horrors of the Holocaust without being a dick about it, if that Song is about how horrible a particular Nazi is that should be in the chorus. Lyrically speaking, you let the monster have free rein in the verse and you flay him in the chorus because that's how it has worked since the Greeks were doing it.

Just shows Slayer can't write, really. I find that offensive as a metal fan, never mind on a humanitarian level.

I'm not a fan of what I consider "junk" metal which seems calibrated primarily to offend someone.

[Hooahguy]

Have you heard about the new German Microwave?

It's got ten seats inside.

Unrelated, but one of my favourites:

What do Pink Floyd and Princess Diana have in common?

Their last big hit was The Wall.

On a similar vein: Did you hear about Princess Diana? She was all over the radio. And the dashboard.

Ha, thats pretty funny.

Ok, my best one is incredibly offensive, do not open it unless you want to be offended. Im serious.

Whats the difference between a Jew and a pizza?

Pizzas dont scream when they are put in the oven.


:hide:

A rabbi I know told me that one.



Obligatory edit: I'm Jewish so I think I get a pass on this one. If you arent Jewish, I would advise not saying this joke.

Please don't ban me.

[Major Robert Dump]

Lock countdown in 3...2....1.....

[Kadagar_AV]

Yeah, let's stop with the anti-semitism...

Because anti-semitism is a crime...

And crimes are for negroes.

[Major Robert Dump]

3....2.....1.....

[Fragony]

Yeah - but you can write a metal song about the horrors of the Holocaust without being a dick about it, if that Song is about how horrible a particular Nazi is that should be in the chorus. Lyrically speaking, you let the monster have free rein in the verse and you flay him in the chorus because that's how it has worked since the Greeks were doing it.

Just shows Slayer can't write, really. I find that offensive as a metal fan, never mind on a humanitarian level.

I'm not a fan of what I consider "junk" metal which seems calibrated primarily to offend someone.

Not sure it was meant to offend, but I find it a bit pathetic. Just like a lot of rappers shockrock is as cool as a kilo of sprouts imho

[spankythehippo]

Yeah - but you can write a metal song about the horrors of the Holocaust without being a dick about it, if that Song is about how horrible a particular Nazi is that should be in the chorus. Lyrically speaking, you let the monster have free rein in the verse and you flay him in the chorus because that's how it has worked since the Greeks were doing it.

Just shows Slayer can't write, really. I find that offensive as a metal fan, never mind on a humanitarian level.

I'm not a fan of what I consider "junk" metal which seems calibrated primarily to offend someone.

When I listen to music, I listen to the music not the lyrics. If I wanted mental nourishment, I would read something like Tolstoy. Slayer's music is brilliant. Also, I'd like to point out that Tom Araya is Catholic, and doesn't condone any of their lyrics. Angel of Death is like a gorey movie, really sick but in the end, it's entertainment.

I admit to having bands on my iPod with incredibly offensive names, just to see people's expressions when they browse through my iPod. And many of those bands have incredible music, in my opinion.



God hates us all.

Their most underrated album to date.

[HoreTore]

Ha, thats pretty funny.

Ok, my best one is incredibly offensive, do not open it unless you want to be offended. Im serious.

Whats the difference between a Jew and a pizza?

Pizzas dont scream when they are put in the oven.


:hide:

A rabbi I know told me that one.



Obligatory edit: I'm Jewish so I think I get a pass on this one. If you arent Jewish, I would advise not saying this joke.

Please don't ban me.

Laughter is inherently good. The absence of jokes is what shows hatred, not the existence of the jokes. The nature of the joke plays a part too of course, it needs to be a real joke(punchline etc), not just hate said to be a joke. Still, a little caution is advised with Auschwitz jokes. My grandfather died there.

He died after falling down from the watchtower...



But having said that, jokes about 9/11 are not funny. They're just plane wrong.

[Fragony]

Laughter is inherently good. The absence of jokes is what shows hatred, not the existence of the jokes. The nature of the joke plays a part too of course, it needs to be a real joke(punchline etc), not just hate said to be a joke. Still, a little caution is advised with Auschwitz jokes. My grandfather died there.

He died after falling down from the watchtower...



But having said that, jokes about 9/11 are not funny. They're just plane wrong.

For now perhaps, but I heard a few really good ones. Being plane wrong is one of them

Edit, I failed

[TinCow]

There's a debate topic for you: at what point does humor become so offensive that it should not be said? Why is it OK for Jews to make jokes about the Holocaust, but not gentiles? Why is it acceptable for various minorities to use their own slurs in humor, but not acceptable for people outside that minority to use them? Is it possible for someone outside a sensitive minority to make jokes about the minority without crossing this invisible line?

[spankythehippo]

There's a debate topic for you: at what point does humor become so offensive that it should not be said? Why is it OK for Jews to make jokes about the Holocaust, but not gentiles? Why is it acceptable for various minorities to use their own slurs in humor, but not acceptable for people outside that minority to use them? Is it possible for someone outside a sensitive minority to make jokes about the minority without crossing this invisible line?

There's a fine line between laughing with someone and laughing at someone. When a joke is considered offensive, the offended person would feel like they are being laughed at, even if there is no malicious intent. Due to this, comedy that was once considered observational becomes hurtful.

However, there are certain jokes that don't make fun of someone, but hurt someone's sensibilities. Jokes about abortions, rape, murder, paedophilia etc. are considered taboo, even if the majority of the population has never experienced any of those things. This, if thought about long enough, seems absurd. "Why am I feeling bad about a joke on abortions?". It all boils down to empathy. "How would I feel if I had an abortion?" This makes people feel uncomfortable. Really uncomfortable.

I was with a bunch of friends in a pub, and we were talking quite loudly. We were all joking about random stuff that wasn't worth remembering. When the topic of abortion was brought up, a friend of mine said, "An abortion is not a right, it's a meal." Now, I found that funny. But a lot of onlookers seemed really uncomfortable. To ease the tension, I said "I have an abortion in my pants every time I look at Christina Hendricks." Then the abortion joke was quickly forgotten, because of the bad after-taste it left in people minds. After something that distasteful, any other joke seems funny i.e. tasty. It's like eating crap, followed by ice cream. I remembered that abortion joke, because it was sooo off-coloured, it was worth remembering.

I have two quotes from the great Reginald D. Hunter

"How do you come to a comedy show, and not suspect that the motherfucka on stage might be joking."

And regarding a joke he did about rape, he said...

"I notice some of you didn't laugh at that joke. And some of the people that didn't laugh at that joke, didn't laugh because they feel that certain pieces of subject matter should not be available to comedy. So to show their disapproval, they withheld their laughter. But take it from us that did laugh, it was fucking funny."

Minorities don't accept other people using slurs in humour because of how it has been used in history or if the person using the slur fits a certain stereotype. If a Southern truck driver from Louisiana used slurs, but with good humour, it would be taken out of context, even if he had meant no harm and was jovial about it. If you contrast this with a minority using their own slur, they feel like they have the right to use it, because it belongs to them.

It is possible for someone outside a sensitive minority to make jokes about the minority without crossing this invisible line, if the minority stops being sensitive.

I'll use an example. I heard a very Southern elderly comedian commenting on the size of a black guy's penis. He was almost praising it. And everyone laughed, including the black people. Penis size is a positive stereotype. But if he made a joke about lynching, he would be booed off stage, if not attacked after the show.


All of these reasons are why I embrace all types of comedy. I don't find anything offensive. Life is too short to be offended all the time.

[johnhughthom]

There's a debate topic for you: at what point does humor become so offensive that it should not be said? Why is it OK for Jews to make jokes about the Holocaust, but not gentiles? Why is it acceptable for various minorities to use their own slurs in humor, but not acceptable for people outside that minority to use them? Is it possible for someone outside a sensitive minority to make jokes about the minority without crossing this invisible line?

It's probably possible when middle class white people stop drawing the line, and getting offended on behalf of others.

[Hooahguy]

There's a debate topic for you: at what point does humor become so offensive that it should not be said? Why is it OK for Jews to make jokes about the Holocaust, but not gentiles? Why is it acceptable for various minorities to use their own slurs in humor, but not acceptable for people outside that minority to use them? Is it possible for someone outside a sensitive minority to make jokes about the minority without crossing this invisible line?

That is an excellent question.

I think it has to do with the fact that its a shared experience by that group that allows them and not others to say offensive slurs related to that experience. And its seen in all minorities. I work with black people and Mexicans and they are always ripping on their own people for one thing or another. Granted there will be inter-minority slurs going on (all good in good nature, from what I can tell), but Ive noticed that it never includes the white people who work with me. I think thats because there such a negative stigma (and rightly so) about white people saying racial slurs, even in jest- a very "us versus them" mentality among minorities. I seem to be less included in this group (they do joke around with me- its awesome) because Im technically a minority as well, though I refrain from making any slurs that dont have to do with Jews or being white, as I actually like my coworkers and I dont want to strain any relationship I have with them.

Many years ago a socially clueless white coworker of mine in a summer job (he was also kinda young, maybe 13 years old) heard my black coworkers calling each other a very derogatory name and somehow decided it was ok for him to say it too. Lets just say that it didnt go over too well. He was later fired because we caught him stealing office supplies.

Hell, its even in the military. I see it all the time with the prior service cadets. But once someone who has zero experience in the military tries to say something derogatory about the military, even in jest, the veterans turn on the civilian as the civilian is going off of stereotypes or second/third hand experiences.

Same goes with Holocaust jokes. My ancestors suffered through something terrible. We will never fully get over it. We cant. Its too ingrained in our history, its way too recent. We can live with the pain forever, or we can grow, learn, and laugh from it. I think laughing at it is a bigger insult to the Nazis than being so frickin somber about it. One day a year (this year it was April 8th) we silence our jokes and laughter to immerse ourselves in the tragedy. That is when we learn. Then we grow and laugh, as a society which cannot laugh at itself is dead.

[Kadagar_AV]

Depends on setting too... I never heard as much dark comedy as when working in a bar environment...

Q: How do You make a 6 year old cry a second time?
A: You wipe it off on her teddybear.

Q: What is the sound of a baby in a blender?
A: I don't know (either), I was too busy masturbating.

Even phedophilia baby killing jokes CAN be fun in the right setting, among the right people. Specially if You add some stimulants.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Strong overcompensation in this thread.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Isn't the whole point of a joke to trivialise something?

So Jews are allowed to make Holocaust jokes because it's a natural coping mechanism for them, for everyone else it's a way of ignoring what happened or mitigating it.

This is also the prime reason people find jokes offensive - they take exception to the subject being trivialised.

[Hooahguy]

Isn't the whole point of a joke to trivialise something?

So Jews are allowed to make Holocaust jokes because it's a natural coping mechanism for them, for everyone else it's a way of ignoring what happened or mitigating it.


Thats an interesting idea. Honestly, if a non-Jew made a Holocaust joke, Im not sure how funny Id find it. We dont want people to forget. Coping is essential, which is why we do it, but ignoring what happened? Never. You cant ignore something like that and expect it to not happen again. "Never forget" is basically our mantra.

[rajpoot]

There's a debate topic for you: at what point does humor become so offensive that it should not be said? Why is it OK for Jews to make jokes about the Holocaust, but not gentiles? Why is it acceptable for various minorities to use their own slurs in humor, but not acceptable for people outside that minority to use them? Is it possible for someone outside a sensitive minority to make jokes about the minority without crossing this invisible line?

Depends from person to person IMO. For instance over here jokes about Sikhs are popular. I have Sikh friends who tend to get very offended if someone makes such a joke in their presence. On the other hand back in college I had another Sikh friend who actually used to come up with new jokes about Sikhs and told them to us.
If the members of the minority present in the company are OK with making jokes about themselves, they should be OK if someone else makes a joke in a similar vein and in that case no one outside that minority has the right to get hypersensitive and get offended (Kind of like what townhughthom said).

[Kadagar_AV]

Isn't the whole point of a joke to trivialise something?

So Jews are allowed to make Holocaust jokes because it's a natural coping mechanism for them, for everyone else it's a way of ignoring what happened or mitigating it.

This is also the prime reason people find jokes offensive - they take exception to the subject being trivialised.

Sums it up rather nicely.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Thats an interesting idea. Honestly, if a non-Jew made a Holocaust joke, Im not sure how funny Id find it. We dont want people to forget. Coping is essential, which is why we do it, but ignoring what happened? Never. You cant ignore something like that and expect it to not happen again. "Never forget" is basically our mantra.

The other side of it of course is that the Nazi's made jokes about it when they were at it, so by making the same jokes you're identifying with them.

At the same time - modern Germans need a coping mechanism too, just like I do for the ancestor who beat his wife repeatedly.

Another thing to be aware of is that the Holocaust is inevitably passing into history, and we need to let it.

[HoreTore]

Isn't the whole point of a joke to trivialise something?

I deeply disagree with that.

Jokes serve a myriad of purposes, among them is showing acceptance.

[Rhyfelwyr]

Isn't the whole point of a joke to trivialise something?

So Jews are allowed to make Holocaust jokes because it's a natural coping mechanism for them, for everyone else it's a way of ignoring what happened or mitigating it.

This is also the prime reason people find jokes offensive - they take exception to the subject being trivialised.

If people are doing it as a coping mechanism then I won't be so abhorred by it and I will sympathise - either way, I won't find it funny.

I blame modern culture. I actually believe most people are uncomfortable with the most offensive jokes. But if you take the position I am taking here, it's obviously because you are boring, uptight, or a middle-class white guy that's offended by everything. As opposed to, you know, just being of the belief that atrocities are not something to be mocked.

And so people try to be edgy and cool by going along with it. But half the time they are never very convincing because if you are the sort of person that would act a certain way just because of peer pressure, you're not very edgy or cool anyway and they just end up making it look awkward.

Maybe for hooahguy it's also a way of rejecting something he doesn't identify with anymore. Is it a coincidence that he should be the first in this thread to bring up holocaust jokes? And what is he trying to say by doing so?

All of the above is of course pure speculation, but it's worth throwing out there.

[TinCow]

Isn't the whole point of a joke to trivialise something?

So Jews are allowed to make Holocaust jokes because it's a natural coping mechanism for them, for everyone else it's a way of ignoring what happened or mitigating it.

Yes, but even then it's hard to draw the line. Mel Brooks specifically makes fun of Hitler and the Nazis because he wants to belittle them and take away some of the power from their 'legend.' At the same time, he also disapproves of humor about the Holocaust itself, and he's said that Life is Beautiful was not funny and was offensive because of its subject matter. I disagree with him and find his personal line to be flawed, but then again his family was a lot closer to the Holocaust than mine. My family moved to the US so long ago that we no longer had any known (Jewish) relatives in Europe at the time of the war. He also lived through the event, whereas I didn't even live through Vietnam. In that sense, I think one of his own quotes applies to him; "Bad taste is simply saying the truth before it should be said."

[johnhughthom]

A lot of the point of offensive jokes is to be offensive, the clue is in the name. People say them for the shock value, and if you get all Rhyf over them, then you are the victim of the joke, not whatever group is being mocked. I used to work with a guy who told a lot of dead baby/paedophile jokes just to get a reaction. I ignored them and he stopped using them in my presence, pretty soon my co-workers realised that was the best way to stop him coming out with them.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

... At the same time, he also disapproves of humor about the Holocaust itself, and he's said that Life is Beautiful was not funny and was offensive because of its subject matter.

I thought that film humorous and free-spirited at its outset, but thought the humor was mostly an expression of despair, defiance, and desperation for the bulk of the film. Really didn't see it as a comedy or an overly "light" treatment. Disagree with Mel on that one.

[Papewaio]

Problem with the Holocaust joke and saying 'I'm a Jew so it's fine for me to joke about it.' Why can't other people joke about it?

It's not like a racist term which applies to a singular minority. Last time I looked at those who died by the hands of Germans as prisoners it wasn't exclusive to one group. Germans weren't particular exclusive in their hate of minorities. All you needed to be was gay, handicapped, homeless, Roma, Jew, Russian, free masons, politically opposed ... In fact the list of who got murdered as a prisoner is about the most inclusive thing that was done in that period.

So the issue I have isn't the Identifying of Jews with the Holocaust. It is the almost silent assumption it was only about them made by saying I'm a Jew so I can make a joke about it.

A) The subject matter is still distasteful to some people as even now as people havn't learnt about eugenics.
B) Practically every other person has some aspect either of themselves or a family member who would fit the murder list of WW II Germany.

[Fragony]

Problem with the Holocaust joke and saying 'I'm a Jew so it's fine for me to joke about it.' Why can't other people joke about it?

It's not like a racist term which applies to a singular minority. Last time I looked at those who died by the hands of Germans as prisoners it wasn't exclusive to one group. Germans weren't particular exclusive in their hate of minorities. All you needed to be was gay, handicapped, homeless, Roma, Jew, Russian, free masons, politically opposed ... In fact the list of who got murdered as a prisoner is about the most inclusive thing that was done in that period.

So the issue I have isn't the Identifying of Jews with the Holocaust. It is the almost silent assumption it was only about them made by saying I'm a Jew so I can make a joke about it.

A) The subject matter is still distasteful to some people as even now as people havn't learnt about eugenics.
B) Practically every other person has some aspect either of themselves or a family member who would fit the murder list of WW II Germany.

What's the problem with indentifying the holocaust with jews. They were hunted down specifically. More Dutchmen died than jews but there is a difference

[Rhyfelwyr]

I think the popular perception is that the holocuast was directed pretty much exclusively against Jews. Guys here might know better, but I guess the average disabled person or homosexual wouldn't take as much personal offence with holocaust jokes as many Jews would.

[Papewaio]

Nothing wrong with identifying a group with the Holocaust. Problem with only readily acknowledging a single group with it.

One of the biggest lessons to learn from WWII is that setting up an exclusive group who can euthanize, sterilize and terrorize minorities under there control leads to terrible outcomes.

Not only that when a group feels that it can legitimately punish other groups and quits having empathy for them it is a steady downwards spiral in abuses.

Humans are all vulnerable. We all are capable of amazing and terrifying feats. When we start justifying transgressions against others not on their singluar actions but instead punish them based on their group awful things occur.

Key lesson is exclusive rights can and will get abused if not vetted, balanced and checked.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I deeply disagree with that.

Jokes serve a myriad of purposes, among them is showing acceptance.

Only in social groups (like teenage boys) where jokes and put-downs are used as a means of stratifying the group.


A lot of the point of offensive jokes is to be offensive, the clue is in the name. People say them for the shock value, and if you get all Rhyf over them, then you are the victim of the joke, not whatever group is being mocked. I used to work with a guy who told a lot of dead baby/paedophile jokes just to get a reaction. I ignored them and he stopped using them in my presence, pretty soon my co-workers realised that was the best way to stop him coming out with them.

Well, that's one way, another way is to look right at them and tell them that's not clever or funny with as much venom as you can muster - at which point you'll usually get a tirade about how you "can't take a joke". Then you just say, "well you can't tell one."

[Hooahguy]

Nothing wrong with identifying a group with the Holocaust. Problem with only readily acknowledging a single group with it.

One of the biggest lessons to learn from WWII is that setting up an exclusive group who can euthanize, sterilize and terrorize minorities under there control leads to terrible outcomes.

Not only that when a group feels that it can legitimately punish other groups and quits having empathy for them it is a steady downwards spiral in abuses.

Humans are all vulnerable. We all are capable of amazing and terrifying feats. When we start justifying transgressions against others not on their singluar actions but instead punish them based on their group awful things occur.

Key lesson is exclusive rights can and will get abused if not vetted, balanced and checked.

Id say that the main three target groups of the Holocaust were Jews, Gypsies and homosexuals. The disabled were targeted, but not fully under the "Final Solution." They were under the "Action T4" plan.

Anyhow, the #1 victims that everyone identifies with the Holocaust are the Jews. Its an undeniable fact. So why cant others joke about it? Well, you can, theres nothing stopping you, but if you arent Jewish then people arent going to feel comfortable laughing, its just the way things are. Why? Same reason why people who arent black cant say the n word without others thinking they are racist. Chances are, if you had white relatives who lived before/during the civil rights era I bet they werent exactly the kindest people to black people. Likewise, if you had non-jewish ancestors in Europe Id wager that they were involved in some sort of anti-Semitic activity. Is it a generalization? Absolutely. Is it a just generalization? Probably not, but it exists. But if you are not a part of this exclusive group of the oppressed, you are not welcome to joke about it with us.

[Greyblades]

Would the target of the joke make a difference between being socially acceptable for other groups to use them? For example if I a white anglosaxon make a joke about the Holocaust but it's making fun of the Nazis not the victims, would that be considered unacceptable or in poor taste?

[Visor]

How well a joke is received depends not only in the circumstances in which you tell it, but who you tell it to. Make note of your company before telling a dark joke.

I'm a big fan of dark humour, but I don't go around telling everyone about Diana hitting a wall or what have you, or use it to break the ice or whatever.

For example, amongst most of my friends, we all don't mind or enjoy dark humour. But if I had to tell a joke to my mum, I wouldn't say the same jokes. (I have told her the Diana jokes, which she laughed guiltily at, but that wasn't really that bad (offensive) a joke).

I would never make a dead baby joke to someone who has lost a child, but I might crack a dark joke in reference to another topic.

However, there are always people who get offended at everything, so sometimes you can't really help it.

[Hooahguy]

Would the target of the joke make a difference between being socially acceptable for other groups to use them? For example if I a white anglosaxon make a joke about the Holocaust but it's making fun of the Nazis not the victims, would that be considered unacceptable or in poor taste?

No, because everyone hates the nazis.

[Papewaio]

Greasy Golden Shower likes the Nazis.

I mean Greece's Golden Dawn...

[Fragony]

I certainly can be accused of having a twisted sense of humour, but my inner civilized gentleman doesn't apreciate jokes that can be mean. Joking about the holocaust or other tragedies is tasteless in my opinion. If jews make jokes about the holocaust it is just different from me making them, for them it's healing, for me it would be mocking a major tragedy, I will never joke about it. Nothing wrong with pointing out absurdities in something but there is line between humour and bad taste

This

Q: How do You make a 6 year old cry a second time?
A: You wipe it off on her teddybear.

Absolutely is bad taste but is still funny as hell and perfectly acceptable

But people should know how far they can go, if you make that joke to someone who was abused, and you know that he/she was, you are just being a insensitive asshole

[a completely inoffensive name]

Trying to figure out what makes something funny kills the comedic value in that thing.

Whether or not a joke is offensive depends on what the intentions of the comedian are.

This man is trying to get us to think about how we use language:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbZhpf3sQxQ

This guy is just being angry (because he was angry) and shockful:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c36YhS9pzkM

If there is a purpose behind the madness, the joke is justified. If you are just shouting n-word! n-word! for shock only, that doesn't justify the feelings and trivialization that all such humor brings.

[Fragony]

Pretty easy, when a joke starts becomming an insult you should know where to stop.

[Montmorency]

Whether or not a joke is offensive depends on what the intentions of the comedian are.

then there is no rule

[a completely inoffensive name]

then there is no rule

Exactly.

[Beskar]

Most of the time it is delivery. Ever had that person who makes really witty comments, but no one laughs, but when some one copies it and says it, everyone laughs?

Most of the consistently rated good jokes are actually that bad, people laugh out of how terrible they are. Like Xmas cracker jokes. usually because of no intellectual barrier to understand them.

[Strike For The South]

Jewish women have long dark hair which is great for leverage.

They also tend to be intelligent, which I don't care about, but it is something I mention when I need to be sociable.

[Montmorency]

They also tend to be intelligent,

You son of a :daisy:, that's my sister you're talking about!

[Strike For The South]

You son of a :daisy:, that's my sister you're talking about!


Probably not, but it can be

[Montmorency]

Ah, so you like them young? Come back in a decade, pervert.

[spankythehippo]

Wow. Slayer's guitarist Jeff Hanneman died on Thursday. Holy cheesewhizz...

[The Lurker Below]

Whether or not a joke is offensive depends on what the intentions of the comedian are.

offense, being the subjective beast it is, requires only perception. intention will not save you from irrational people.

[drone]

Wow. Slayer's guitarist Jeff Hanneman died on Thursday. Holy cheesewhizz...

I saw that, was debating posting it either here or the FR. Here works just fine, as I believe Hanneman was the main writer for Angel of Death.

RIB Jeff, thanks for the music.

[spankythehippo]

I saw that, was debating posting it either here or the FR. Here works just fine, as I believe Hanneman was the main writer for Angel of Death.

RIB Jeff, thanks for the music.

Even if his lyrics offended a lot of people (which I personally enjoyed), he was still an awesome guitarist.

RIP Jeff.