Rant about sheeps and media outlet

[Kadagar_AV]

If You read media, without checking other sources, You are a sheep.
If You allow someone to say something You object to, without questioning it or factchecking it, You are a sheep.

Forget about official "politics" - politics is the everyday interaction between You and the media, You and other persons. THAT is the politics that counts.

If You fail at that, You fail at being a democratic voter (How can You know Your ideas are sound, if You haven't crashed them against other peoples ideas?) - and in turn democracy falls.

I see so many failures all around me, that I begin to wonder if we really have a political system that is working for the betterment of mankind.

People, the way I see it, are way too dumbed down between option A and B. What happened to option C?

I guess my point is... Anytime You watch/read/listen to a political debate between A and B, and You have NO idea what some other thinking might be. You fail.

Not because option C by definition is better, but because at least having read up on alternative suggestions than those put in Your mind by the main media outlets makes You a thinker, and not a sheep.

My fear is that people are so brainwashed by the mass media outlet of A's and B's, that they completely miss out on the C.

I generally hate sayings, but this one has some value: "We don't solve our current problems with our current way of thinking".

/rant/drunk


Can't You just TELL the snow is beginning to melt.

[Fragony]

I avoid media, blogs are better. There are some really reliable ones. They also get things wrong sometimes of course

[HoreTore]

Rule number 1:

Everyone who refers to others with the word "sheep" are crazy. They are always, without exception, politically clueless.


And usually neo-nazi's or some other kind of white supremacist..

[a completely inoffensive name]

I thought I wandered into r/politics here.

[a completely inoffensive name]

Rule number 1:

Everyone who refers to others with the word "sheep" are crazy. They are always, without exception, politically clueless.


And usually neo-nazi's or some other kind of white supremacist..

You forgot about the type of people that say, "sheeple".

[Fragony]

Rule number 1:

Everyone who refers to others with the word "sheep" are crazy. They are always, without exception, politically clueless.


And usually neo-nazi's or some other kind of white supremacist..

hehe Horetore you never fail to meet every expected stereotype of hardcore lefties :bow:

[HoreTore]

You forgot about the type of people that say, "sheeple".

Yeah, but Kadagar didn't use it this time...

Use of that term is the best proof we have that our psychiatric care needs to improve.

[Fragony]

Yeah, but Kadagar didn't use it this time...

Use of that term is the best proof we have that our psychiatric care needs to improve.

Sorry but I doubt there is a colour Kadagar will kick out of his bed, you aren't being very classy mia muca

[Husar]

Ok, I'm a failure and a sheep.
Anything else?

[HoreTore]

Sorry but I doubt there is a colour Kadagar will kick out of his bed, you are rather explicitally implicitally accusing him of being a white supremacist or even a neo-nazi, not so classy mia muca

Have you lowered your reading comprehension to the level of total relism?

[Fragony]

Have you lowered your reading comprehension to the level of total relism?

I can read between the lines

[HoreTore]

I can't read between the lines

Fixed it.

[Fragony]

Fixed it.

If you say so, a good nose needs only half a fart

[ICantSpellDawg]

If You read media, without checking other sources, You are a sheep.
If You allow someone to say something You object to, without questioning it or factchecking it, You are a sheep.

Forget about official "politics" - politics is the everyday interaction between You and the media, You and other persons. THAT is the politics that counts.

If You fail at that, You fail at being a democratic voter (How can You know Your ideas are sound, if You haven't crashed them against other peoples ideas?) - and in turn democracy falls.

I see so many failures all around me, that I begin to wonder if we really have a political system that is working for the betterment of mankind.

People, the way I see it, are way too dumbed down between option A and B. What happened to option C?

I guess my point is... Anytime You watch/read/listen to a political debate between A and B, and You have NO idea what some other thinking might be. You fail.

Not because option C by definition is better, but because at least having read up on alternative suggestions than those put in Your mind by the main media outlets makes You a thinker, and not a sheep.

My fear is that people are so brainwashed by the mass media outlet of A's and B's, that they completely miss out on the C.

I generally hate sayings, but this one has some value: "We don't solve our current problems with our current way of thinking".

/rant/drunk


Can't You just TELL the snow is beginning to melt.

Mass media is a propaganda machine. Turn your TVs off or you are a sheep. Read every argument, especially the good ones that you disagree with.

[Greyblades]

Way I see it; most people have become dissilussioned and succumed to the hopelessness of the big picture: every authority figure that has given hope has either screwed up, shown themselves to be hollow, or died before they could screw up.

Socialism has been proved to be untennable and self destructive, and capitalism has been shown to be psychopathic, destructive and/or evil.

The left are stupid and/or hypocrites and the right are monsterous, corrupt and/or retarded, every government is populated with people who excel at popularity contests and nothing else, they are completely incapable of running a country anywhere but into the ground.

Everyone is obsessed with seeing short term benefits and ignoring the long term and in the process every organization becomes time bombs to catastrophic failure with each generation of management considering putting off the inevitable long enough to shift responsability to someone else.

Looking at the big picture the world is doomed and the knowledge is crushing, so people ignore it, try to forget and look only at the little picture which is easy to change and manage, and by doing that they propogate the apathy and ignorance that is the root of every damn manmade problem and smother whatever hope there is of saving anything beyond the immediate and simple.

I see everything as broken and I will not do a damn thing about it because like everyone else I have found or made enough excuses not to: laziness, fear, shyness, social ineptitude, not wanting to. We've given up because the world is hopless and the world is hopless because we've given up and the knowledge that it is so makes no damn differece because I've become comfortable where we are and changing it would be an inconvienience. I hate myself for it.

[Fragony]

What a merry view, people shouldn't think into politics all that much. Nothing is set in stone, instead of thinking about left and right we should just focus on the best solution possible and listen carefully when it becomes unreasonable. The rest is just battering. Ideoligy ain't math so don't treat it like that, we have soccer for that

[Greyblades]

What a merry view, people shouldn't think into politics all that much. Nothing is set in stone, instead of thinking about left and right we should just focus on the best solution possible and listen carefully when it becomes unreasonable. The rest is just battering. Ideoligy ain't math so don't treat it like that, we have soccer for that

You might be trying to help, but your dismissal is just reinforcing my view.

[Kadagar_AV]

WOAHWAU!!

I talk about political question A, B and C... And get neo-nazi flung in my face?

I honestly can't think of a way to make my post LESS political than it is, and I seriously think people over-think my agenda here.

Sure, those who know me might "read between the lines", but really, there are no "between the lines". Sorry to go all TR on You, but READ THE OP.

I would have the same argument under a nazi/communist/socialist/capitalist/whateveralist regime.

Sorry if anyone takes offense, but really, just the fact You are on these boards reading my post already makes You a few thousand % less of a sheep than the people I refer to. :shrug:

[Rhyfelwyr]

Democracy naturally pushes people into two different camps. If you need a majority of the vote to succeed, then that means people with views A,B,C,D,E,F etc will increasingly group together to get the group advantage (naturally compromising their own views for this) until all you have is A and B.

Once this A v B dynamic is consolidated, people will start to form their entire political identities around A and B, and politics will be seen in A v B terms.

But even then, there can be a lot of different ideas going on within either camp. US Republicans for example would include social conservatives, fiscal conservatives, small-government radicals, white nationalists etc. So even though on the face of it the media might appear to show things as simply A v B, there is a lot more than that going on within each camp behind the scenes.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Accidentally doubled. Moderator please remove.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I teach at the university level to earn my wages.

After more than 15 years teaching at that level, and after 8 years in sales over and above that experience. I can say, with conviction, that I do not believe there are very many truly stupid people. Human resourcefulness and adaptation when dealing with those events and interactions which constitute their direct personal experience are pretty amazing.

However, as Gelcube suggested above, the level of people's self-chosen ignorance regarding anything that does not directly impinge on their personal experience of existence, can be stunning. People's unwillingness to learn of, or consider the implications of, the INDIRECT influences on their daily lives is pretty scary.

I put extra credit questions on my tests for a lark, purposefully choosing questions that are unrelated to the course content. In one recent instance, fully 25% of those taking the test could name 7 of the 10 persons who have served as judges on "American Idol," whereas only 1 person of the 23 could name 7 of the last 10 persons to have served as Vice President of the USA. A larger class, of 49 persons (admittedly mostly majors in communication) did not produce a single correct answer as to the result of combining an equal number of electrons and positrons. 90% of all US citizens cannot name all 50 of the United States in under 5 minutes without consulting a source. However, a majority of them Are aware that Katherine Windsor is below ideal weight for the current state of her pregnancy whereas Kimberly Kardashian is "big for date."

Sadly, I believe that Churchill was quite correct in asserting both that "Democracy was the worst form of government, except for all other forms," and that the "best argument against democracy was a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

[Montmorency]

I put extra credit questions on my tests for a lark, purposefully choosing questions that are unrelated to the course content.


mostly majors in communication

Interesting. You teach "communication" science?

[The Stranger]

ah, i thought this thread was about this: http://nos.nl/artikel/493701-enige-schaapskudde-veluwe-failliet.html

but its not, carrry on chaps, carry on.

[Fragony]

I teach at the university level to earn my wages.

After more than 15 years teaching at that level, and after 8 years in sales over and above that experience. I can say, with conviction, that I do not believe there are very many truly stupid people. Human resourcefulness and adaptation when dealing with those events and interactions which constitute their direct personal experience are pretty amazing.

However, as Gelcube suggested above, the level of people's self-chosen ignorance regarding anything that does not directly impinge on their personal experience of existence, can be stunning. People's unwillingness to learn of, or consider the implications of, the INDIRECT influences on their daily lives is pretty scary.

I put extra credit questions on my tests for a lark, purposefully choosing questions that are unrelated to the course content. In one recent instance, fully 25% of those taking the test could name 7 of the 10 persons who have served as judges on "American Idol," whereas only 1 person of the 23 could name 7 of the last 10 persons to have served as Vice President of the USA. A larger class, of 49 persons (admittedly mostly majors in communication) did not produce a single correct answer as to the result of combining an equal number of electrons and positrons. 90% of all US citizens cannot name all 50 of the United States in under 5 minutes without consulting a source. However, a majority of them Are aware that Katherine Windsor is below ideal weight for the current state of her pregnancy whereas Kimberly Kardashian is "big for date."

Sadly, I believe that Churchill was quite correct in asserting both that "Democracy was the worst form of government, except for all other forms," and that the "best argument against democracy was a five-minute conversation with the average voter."

What do you teach if I may ask? The quality of the posters here never dissapoint for sure

[Noncommunist]

I see so many failures all around me, that I begin to wonder if we really have a political system that is working for the betterment of mankind.

A what? Why would the political system be for the betterment of mankind? The political system tends to be for the benefit of the elite and those who back them. Fortunately, we live in democracies which means that both sides of the elite need large portions of the populous to back them but I'd be hard pressed to say that it works for the betterment of mankind.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Interesting. You teach "communication" science?

Yes. Though to be fair, there are any number of schools who categorize it as being among the Humanities. I would say it is about 50-50 whether you will find it in a college of science or a college of humanities at most institutions. Of course, many schools have a college of arts and sciences and side-step that whole label.

Currently, I teach in the "Human Communication" (formerly interpersonal-organizational communication) section of a School of Communication that exists as part of the College of Sciences at our university. Academia can challenge any military around for byzantine organization!

[classical_hero]

Isaiah 53:6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the Lord hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

Baaaaa.

[Fragony]

Old post, dunno why

[Sir Moody]

Several quotes here that are entirely relevant (and seriously people forget just how good this show was).



Kosh: Ahh. You seek meaning.
Talia: Yes.
Kosh: Then listen to the music, not the song.


Understanding is a three edged sword: your side, their side, and the truth.


All media from the mass produced "official" to the "underground" blog is biased - there is no such thing as unbiased media and if you think what you are reading is unbiased it is probably because it matches your own biases.

[Kadagar_AV]

Several quotes here that are entirely relevant (and seriously people forget just how good this show was).





All media from the mass produced "official" to the "underground" blog is biased - there is no such thing as unbiased media and if you think what you are reading is unbiased it is probably because it matches your own biases.

I agree, and don't.

You are of course right that complete objectivity is impossible, but when did we let go of expecting journalists to AIM and STRIVE for it?

[The Lurker Below]

So yea, this is sorta not the same topic but

I keep quite a few varieties of farm animals as well as a large garden with many varieties of plants. I can tell you that pansies are just about the toughest flowering plant around. And sheep aren't very "sheepish."

Just FYI, ya damn pansies.

edit to clarify: my sheep have very very very little concerns with danger. perhaps if they were in as much danger as average people, they might be more "peoplish"

[Papewaio]

I'm half New Zealander and half Welsh.... Sheepish has other connotations :smoking:

[jirisys]

I'm half New Zealander and half Welsh.... Sheepish has other connotations :smoking:

https://i.imgur.com/Z8WEJZ2.png

Sheep beware.

~Jirisys ()

[Husar]

I agree, and don't.

You are of course right that complete objectivity is impossible, but when did we let go of expecting journalists to AIM and STRIVE for it?

When we told them capitalism is better than communism and they have to gather ratings/view(er)s, not truths.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I'm half New Zealander and half Welsh.... Sheepish has other connotations :smoking:

Making it a virtual guarantee that you would "marry up."








j/k, though Wasabe-san is a good 'un

[Kadagar_AV]

Making it a virtual guarantee that you would "marry up." j/k, though Wasabe-san is a good 'un

I heard the trick is to put a hole in Your wellington boots, and put their back legs in. Then have them against a cliff, for the jerk back reaction thingy.

Husar, communism is the natural way of humanity. I agree with You that it fails because of size, not form. My family and friends and the people I live with all do communism... "Oh, You need that more than me... Here You go then".

[Greyblades]

Jesus christ was the world's biggest socialist.

[Papewaio]

No his dad owns everything and he doles out access to it for his friends.

Far more like a silver spoon capitalist methinks.

[Beskar]

No his dad owns everything and he doles out access to it for his friends.
Far more like a silver spoon capitalist methinks.

Not really, since God owns everything. It would be more like North Korean dictatorship.

[LittleGrizzly]

I think it makes even more sense for Jesus to be a socialist when Dad is a silver spoon fed capitalist!

Not sure how that works with the North Korean dictatorship angle though...

[LittleGrizzly]

It is hard to separate what is charity, what is socialism and what is just sharing. As he never actually run a country we are only left to speculate.

The story of sharing the loaves of bread and fishes out struck me as either sharing or socialist sentiment, it didn't seem to be so much charity (although the miracle is the main point of the story)

[Papewaio]

I always thought that the rich man idea was that:
1) Worldly riches don't help you get into heaven.
2) By focusing on gaining physical wealth they neglect spirtual wealth.

[jirisys]

I always thought that the rich man idea was: "Why hasn't anyone made a giant needle yet?"

~Jirisys ()

[Papewaio]

The eye of the needle was a narrow gate into the city (Jerusalem?) that was too narrow for pack animals.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Exactly. It is not wealth of itself that is the problem, but an improper focus upon that wealth.

[LittleGrizzly]

No doubt if the rich man had set up a system of government to distribute his wealth among the people he would have got in ~;)

Although surely the rich man from biblical times would have helped countless others through the effects of trickle-down economics?

Further proof of Gods hate for the free market?

[Greyblades]

No doubt if the rich man had set up a system of government to distribute his wealth among the people he would have got in ~;)

Although surely the rich man from biblical times would have helped countless others through the effects of trickle-down economics?

Maybe if he didnt use them as excuses to be a dick, the needle would get a little bigger for him.