Bruce Willis fired! [Archive]

drone

08-08-2013, 17:17

Bruce Willis may have played in more movies than Stallone, but Stallone played in both bigger and better movies.
Nothing to do with number of movies, he's just been in more decent ones than Stallone. Stallone has been a parody of himself for decades, which is a shame because he actually does know how to act. Cop Land is probably that last movie he made that I would rewatch, and that's probably because Keitel, De Niro, and Liotta were in it. His biggest problem is not acting, it's writing for movies he is going to act in. Pretty much every movie after First Blood that he has both written and acted in were just bad. Maybe his ego gets in the way. :shrug:

And I have to disagree entirely about Willis being the best actor in Expendables. He was easily the worst. Even the supporting actors were better than him.
I'm pretty sure he was mailing it in, so no surprise there.

He also is just not a tough guy. There is nothing intimidating about him.
That's actually his usual style. In straight action movies, he generally plays characters who are underestimated.

Kralizec

08-08-2013, 18:19

And I have to disagree entirely about Willis being the best actor in Expendables. He was easily the worst.

Willis had like what, 4 minutes of screentime in The Expendables?

He's not an action actor in the sense that Stallone or Arnie are. Even in his more action-focused films, he's usually just a regular guy who gets stuck between a rock and a hard place. Can you imagine Stallone or Arnie taking his place in a movie like Sixth Sense or Twelve Monkeys? I could, but I don't want to.

Vuk

08-08-2013, 18:45

Bigger? Maybe. Better? I dont think so.

First Blood, the last Rambo movie, the first, fourth, and last Rocky movies; all of them were better than anything that Bruce Willis starred in.

Nothing to do with number of movies, he's just been in more decent ones than Stallone. Stallone has been a parody of himself for decades, which is a shame because he actually does know how to act. Cop Land is probably that last movie he made that I would rewatch, and that's probably because Keitel, De Niro, and Liotta were in it. His biggest problem is not acting, it's writing for movies he is going to act in. Pretty much every movie after First Blood that he has both written and acted in were just bad. Maybe his ego gets in the way. :shrug:

I'm pretty sure he was mailing it in, so no surprise there.

That's actually his usual style. In straight action movies, he generally plays characters who are underestimated.

I loved Cop Land too, but I also loved a lot of the ones after it. Bullet to the Head was decent, the last Rambo, the last Rocky, and the first Expendables were all excellent in my opinion. I think the last Rocky and Rambo were better than any of the ones that came before.

And as far as Brouche Willis goes, the reason I dislike him so much is not because he doesn't come across as a tough guy. It is because he is not tough and tries to act it. It is because he oozes a schmucky personality. It is because he cannot act, etc.

TheLastDays

08-08-2013, 19:05

Bloody hell we're sure throwing around a lot of absolutes for an area that is full of personal taste and opinion...

Hooahguy

08-08-2013, 19:07

Ok so Im done with this conversation because everyone, especially Vuk, seems to be pretty firm in their opinions and no amount of proof or opposition on either side will change anything, so, yeah, Im out of here.

Vuk

08-08-2013, 20:13

Bloody hell we're sure throwing around a lot of absolutes for an area that is full of personal taste and opinion...

You gave your opinion and I gave mine. Last I remember neither of us said "Oh, and I am God so these opinions I am stating are fact.", so I fail to get your point.

TheLastDays

08-08-2013, 20:44

You gave your opinion and I gave mine. Last I remember neither of us said "Oh, and I am God so these opinions I am stating are fact.", so I fail to get your point.

Relax man, I haven't given any opinion so far. The post you quoted was my first post in this thread and it was simply an outsider's observation...

Strike For The South

08-08-2013, 21:18

Rocky I is the only Stallone movie I would consider great.

caravel

08-08-2013, 23:23

I'll look at it this way: I never liked the Expendables films
Lets face it the Expendables films were complete and utter tosh...

An old guy at my wife's workplace said "I'll get you some good films" the expendables was one of them. Obviously it was a pirate copy, but when a shadowy figure got up and walked across the movie, probably to get some more pop corn and a fanta, I realised just how pirate it was... or maybe that guy realised what he had gotten himself into and left for good, I couldn't be sure if he came back as I was probably distracted by Stallone hobbling along with his bloated torso and stick legs.

The myth that the second one was better than the first bemuses me, as both were crap, but at least the first one had some kind of a plot (ok it didn't but at least it was "plot like"...).

The first one also had Terry Crews and that insane automatic shotgun thing...

Nice to hear Harrison Ford is in. Now they just need to get Clint Eastwood and Sean Connery :tongue:
It would seem that so long as they're eligible for a state pension they're automatically in...

It seems like a cynical publicity stunt for the upcoming film.

CountArach

08-09-2013, 00:47

Asai, certainly in my opinion the second was much better than the first. I actually enjoyed it and the reason was that, where the first one attempted to have a plot and be a more serious film the second one didn't even bother. It knew that everyone just wanted to see the roid-addled action heroes of yesteryear all in one movie together. It didn't try to pretend to be anything else and thus succeeded on its own merits.

And Willis > Stallone. Die Hard is the greatest action movie of all time.

Vuk

08-09-2013, 00:54

Lets face it the Expendables films were complete and utter tosh...

An old guy at my wife's workplace said "I'll get you some good films" the expendables was one of them. Obviously it was a pirate copy, but when a shadowy figure got up and walked across the movie, probably to get some more pop corn and a fanta, I realised just how pirate it was... or maybe that guy realised what he had gotten himself into and left for good, I couldn't be sure if he came back as I was probably distracted by Stallone hobbling along with his bloated torso and stick legs.

The myth that the second one was better than the first bemuses me, as both were crap, but at least the first one had some kind of a plot (ok it didn't but at least it was "plot like"...).

The first one also had Terry Crews and that insane automatic shotgun thing...

It would seem that so long as they're eligible for a state pension they're automatically in...

It seems like a cynical publicity stunt for the upcoming film.

I think you are being too hard on the first Expendables. It had a good plot, overall very good acting, good characters, good action, etc. The second one though, I agree completely. The second one was just garbage.

Rhyfelwyr

08-09-2013, 01:01

Die Hard, Rambo... its all good.

a completely inoffensive name

08-09-2013, 03:24

Stallone only knows how to act as if he is in pain. Willis actually has acting talent and it shows it in a lot more movies than Stallone.

The difference that confuses Vuk is that Stallone is happy to be the idiotic muscle man for every movie, while Willis does not enjoy the typecast. When he is in something different or odd, Willis shows to hold his own easily. He sleeps through every generic muscle man role because he is probably tired of it.

Go watch Willis in Planet Terror or Moonrise Kingdom and then go watch him in Expendables and the latest Die Hard. There is a big difference in my opinion.

Vuk

08-09-2013, 18:36

I agree that Stallone is a bit of a character actor, but that is not a bad thing (most of my favorite actors have been character actors). He also though is a fairly good legitimate actor.
Also, he doesn't have much choice playing muscly characters, as that is just his body. It wouldn't make much sense for him to struggle to lose most of his muscle for one movie. (and it probably wouldn't be healthy)
As far as him playing idiots, I am not sure where you get that from. The only time he played a character that could be described as idiotic was in Oscar, and that was a comedy.
Most times he plays very intelligent characters who are also ripped.

I think you give Willis too much credit as an actor, but I won't argue that as it would be futile. The thing I mainly dislike about Willis is not even that he is a bad actor. It is that his schmucky, catty, almost feminine personality always seeps through.

Fragony

08-10-2013, 08:43

I think both deserve more credit than they are getting, both have shown that they can do serious roles as well. Other get way too much credit, let's take Sean Connery, very respected but he can only play one character. Bruce Willis and Stalone are both a bit too icionic for their own good, Die Hard, Rambo

InsaneApache

08-10-2013, 08:52

Why is Bruce Willis a hack?

He is the best actor in the cast, by far.

^^this

rajpoot

08-10-2013, 09:01

Other get way too much credit, let's take Sean Connery, very respected but he can only play one character.

Julia Ormond sums it up perfectly.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zbcf-PR3Chc

He hit it big because of the James Bond movies and then managed to remain successful. Even his relatively recent movies like The League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, which would have been a terrible bore, was fun because he was in it with his Scottish accent. :yes:

caravel

08-10-2013, 19:01

I think you are being too hard on the first Expendables. It had a good plot, overall very good acting, good characters, good action, etc. The second one though, I agree completely. The second one was just garbage.
Not at all... it had no plot, it had something like a plot... it did not have very good acting. Even Jason Statham who usually isn't that bad, put in a wooden performance... The fight scenes/action sequences in the first film were quite good however as was much of the choreography (though most of the skill in this department was in hiding how past it Stallone really is). Yes the second one was utter "garbage" (sorry CA).

Stallone only knows how to act as if he is in pain. Willis actually has acting talent and it shows it in a lot more movies than Stallone.
There's simply no doubt that Willis is the better actor, but he's not a great actor.

With Stallone, it was the first Rambo (First Blood) and Rocky, everything since has been crap.

rajpoot

08-10-2013, 19:11

I don't think either of the Expendables movies has been about acting or dialogue or story. They're about over the top action with the best action heroes and tough guys Hollywood has seen. I watched Expendables 2 to see Stallone, Willis and Schwarzenegger on the same screen shooting mooks together, and the movie delivered. Chuck Norris was thrown in as a bonus. The movie does not take itself seriously and I hope the third one doesn't either. I also hope eventually they manage to rope in Eastwood (slight though the chances are) and they actually use the Good the Bad and the Ugly theme while he makes his entry.

caravel

08-10-2013, 19:24

I also hope eventually they manage to rope in Eastwood (slight though the chances are) and they actually use the Good the Bad and the Ugly theme while he makes his entry.
No...

One of my favourite film franchises and music scores - doesn't need murdering... in the name of getting "action heroes and tough guys" on the screen all at once...

rajpoot

08-10-2013, 19:36

No...

One of my favourite film franchises and music scores - doesn't need murdering... in the name of getting "action heroes and tough guys" on the screen all at once...

Mine too.
Aaaand it'll be fun seeing him kick their :daisy: while asking them to go ahead and make his day. :yes:

Fragony

08-10-2013, 20:31

I can't stress enough what a difference this makes when discussing action-icons. Yes, Steven Seagal runs like a girl indeed http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nkskuSXqUD0

Major Robert Dump

08-12-2013, 15:09

Vuk

08-12-2013, 15:32

Bruce Willis getting fired from that trash of a series must be a lot like finding out that you don't have AIDS.

Willis has done more good stuff than Stallone, to include non action roles and television. The one with Paul Newman springs to mind, you know, where Melanie Griffith showed her boobs. The most serious role Stallone ever played was the deaf tard in Copland.

Plus, Willis never did a movie about Arm Wrestling

Come now, the first Expendables was actually really good. And as far as Brouche Willis playing in more movies: quality, not quantity. Stallone's have been much better movies overall (sure, he has played in a few crap ones, but Willis has played in many crap movies)
Most importantly of all though, Willis cannot act and is not look, sound, or act tough and does not belong in a movie like the Expendables.

Fragony

08-12-2013, 15:44

Isn't Steven Seagal in the next. I mean http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=nkskuSXqUD0

Vuk

08-12-2013, 15:49

I don't know. I have heard that he will be and that he won't, and different sites say different things. I guess we will just have to wait and see.
Unfortunately, I don't think Jet Li will be in the 3rd. He and Dolph Lungrend were my favorite characters.

rajpoot

08-12-2013, 16:24

The reason Steven Seagal wasn't in the second one was because Van Damm was in it. I remember reading Sly's interview that Seagal and Van Damm had a confrontation at a party at his home when Seagal kept baiting Van Damm, and when Van Damm called him out, he just left. Van Damm followed but it never came to blows and since then Seagal avoids Van Damm.

Edit-
Link to article (http://www.topnews.in/light/jean-claude-van-damme,-steven-seagal-nearly-came-blows-90s%3A-sylvester-stallone-26014)

Major Robert Dump

08-12-2013, 17:19

Come now, the first Expendables was actually really good. And as far as Brouche Willis playing in more movies: quality, not quantity. Stallone's have been much better movies overall (sure, he has played in a few crap ones, but Willis has played in many crap movies)
Most importantly of all though, Willis cannot act and is not look, sound, or act tough and does not belong in a movie like the Expendables.

Willis has played in more crap movies? Are you kidding me? Were you alive in the 80s? Cobra....Over the Top, Rambo II and III, every Rocky after the first ..... and then a sudden lull in his movie career because he became a running joke on late night talk shows. Hey, I like Sly and a lot of his stuff, especially Get Shorty and the last Rambo, but if you add up Box Office total revenue then Willis wins hands down, mainly because he has simply made more movies in a shorter period of time and he can speak coherently. He was also in Moonlighting. And I repeat, he never made a movie about Arm Wrestling with a Kenny Loggins soundtrack, although he did make Hudson Hawk, which was an unmitigated disaster at the box office, although I really liked it in the same way I liked Cop Rock

Vuk

08-12-2013, 18:21

Willis has played in more crap movies? Are you kidding me? Were you alive in the 80s? Cobra....Over the Top, Rambo II and III, every Rocky after the first one..... and then a sudden lull in his movie career because he became a running joke on late night talk shows. Hey, I like Sly and a lot of his stuff, especially Get Shorty and the last Rambo, but if you add up Box Office total revenue then Willis wins hands down, mainly because he has simply made more movies in a shorter period of time and he can speak coherently. He was also in Moonlighting. And I repeat, he never made a movie about Arm Wrestling with a Kenny Loggins soundtrack

Was I alive in the 80s? Yes. And if I wasn't, would it make any difference? No. I still watch tons of movies from the 80s.
I agree that Rambo III was dog crap, but Sly didn't direct that one. Rambo II was way over the top, but still pretty decent. Cobra was over the top, but that was the beauty of it. Cobra was a movie much like True Lies: they reveled in the absurdity and still managed to come off as cool. They had style, that is why.
Rocky I was good, Rocky IV was good, the last Rocky was fantastic, First Blood was great, and the last Rambo is one of my favorite movies of all time. He had Copland, which was an excellent movie, and Oscar which was as well. Daylight was one of his best, and it was right before Copland.
Since the lull in his career he has put out Expendables which, despite your criticism was an excellent movie, and Bullet to the Head which was a pretty decent movie.

Your argument is that his career had a lull due to people discriminating against his speech impediment and his heritage, and that that makes him a bad actor? Sorry, I don't find that a convincing argument.

And BTW, I still doubt Willis has matched his box office draw, even though he has made more movies. All of Willis's movies have sucked. Pulp Fiction and Die Hard, his two biggest movies both sucked, but acquired a cult following and did decently at the box office. Let's be honest though, Pulp Fiction was an awful movie and Die Hard was mediocre at best. Neither of them came close to the types of draws (or quality) that Stallone's movies bring, and everything else he played in was pretty tiny.

Major Robert Dump

08-12-2013, 18:34

Was I alive in the 80s? Yes. And if I wasn't, would it make any difference? No. I still watch tons of movies from the 80s.
I agree that Rambo III was dog crap, but Sly didn't direct that one. Rambo II was way over the top, but still pretty decent. Cobra was over the top, but that was the beauty of it. Cobra was a movie much like True Lies: they reveled in the absurdity and still managed to come off as cool. They had style, that is why.
Rocky I was good, Rocky IV was good, the last Rocky was fantastic, First Blood was great, and the last Rambo is one of my favorite movies of all time. He had Copland, which was an excellent movie, and Oscar which was as well. Daylight was one of his best, and it was right before Copland.
Since the lull in his career he has put out Expendables which, despite your criticism was an excellent movie, and Bullet to the Head which was a pretty decent movie.

Your argument is that his career had a lull due to people discriminating against his speech impediment and his heritage, and that that makes him a bad actor? Sorry, I don't find that a convincing argument.

And BTW, I still doubt Willis has matched his box office draw, even though he has made more movies. All of Willis's movies have sucked. Pulp Fiction and Die Hard, his two biggest movies both sucked, but acquired a cult following and did decently at the box office. Let's be honest though, Pulp Fiction was an awful movie and Die Hard was mediocre at best. Neither of them came close to the types of draws (or quality) that Stallone's movies bring, and everything else he played in was pretty tiny.

Also, you forgot to mention Tango and Cash and Over the Top, both of which featured Kenny Loggins music.

The speech impediment thing is completely relevant as Stallone does not get voice over work, while Willis has done a lot, and those count towards his credits as an actor. I also do not understand what Stallone not directing has anything to do with Rambo III. We are talking about movies these men were in, and Willis has a higher box office gross

But if you think Pulp Fiction was awful but Bullet To The Head was "pretty decent" then there is absolutely nothing for us to argue about. Pulp Fictions fan base is far bigger than a mere cult following, and Bullet to the Head was a cliché and retarded premise for a movie

I give up. You have to be trolling.

Vuk

08-12-2013, 18:47

Actually Stallone has done voice-over work in Zookeeper and Antz. Yes, someone disagrees with you so they are trolling. Do you even know what the words 'trolling' or 'troll' mean?

drone

08-12-2013, 20:52

Hey, I like Sly and a lot of his stuff, especially Get Shorty and the last Rambo,

You mean Get Carter. Get Shorty had Travolta (and Gandolfini, RIP).

Willis was never in a porn movie, which is either a plus or a minus, depending on your personal viewpoint.

Vuk

08-12-2013, 20:55

You mean Get Carter. Get Shorty had Travolta (and Gandolfini, RIP).

Willis was never in a porn movie, which is either a plus or a minus, depending on your personal viewpoint.

With Willis it is a big plus for all potential viewers. ~;)

Major Robert Dump

08-13-2013, 04:40

Actually Stallone has done voice-over work in Zookeeper and Antz. Yes, someone disagrees with you so they are trolling. Do you even know what the words 'trolling' or 'troll' mean?

Yeah I know what it means, and saying that Pulp Fiction and Die Hard has a cult following while saying Bullet to the Head is better could easily qualify as such. It has nothing to do with disagreeing with me, but rather disagreeing with the universe in general.

Willis has done more voice work than Stallone.

All you have to do is go look at these mens credits page and do the math. Willis has grossed more. Willis appeals to women and also to guys who don't do steroids. Willis has done comedies that were actually good. And were hits.

I don't particularly overly like or dislike either guy, but it is clear that either you are a massive Willis hater (his politics? in love with demi moore?) or a huge Stallone fanboi (awww) or both, in which case I don't see what the big deal is.

You attempts to classify Willis as some sort of monumental failure are comical to the point that it appears to be trolling. Your worship of Stallone is almost comical, a bonafide BROMANCE in the making.

You mean Get Carter. Get Shorty had Travolta (and Gandolfini, RIP).

Willis was never in a porn movie, which is either a plus or a minus, depending on your personal viewpoint.

Bruce Willis did Color of Night, which was borderline porn at the time.

Fragony

08-13-2013, 09:13

On the other hand, Stallone wrote Rocky. He's not that dumb. I'm pretty sure he had a direct creative hand in Rambo 1 and Rambo 4 as well, and those are both great.

Willis is an actor with much more range, while Stallone has pretty much type-casted himself into something he loves doing. Nothing wrong with either. They've both sold out, and they've both been in classics.

He suppesdly isvery intelligent, iq of over 140. Dolf Lundren is also pretty smart, action-hero with a master in chemistry. Biggest surprise is van Damme, he can a actually act, he is great as, well himself, in JCVD

Major Robert Dump

08-13-2013, 09:50

I have no problems with either and like and dislike them equally. But arguing over who has the biggest box office peen is silly. Calling one a failure or a wash-out is silly

That being said, I would also fire Willis for asking 1 million a day. I somehow don't think he will lose sleep over it, though.

Papewaio

08-13-2013, 12:37

Christopher Lee is the biggest badass on and off screen. 'Nuff said.

Vuk

08-13-2013, 14:04

Yeah I know what it means, and saying that Pulp Fiction and Die Hard has a cult following while saying Bullet to the Head is better could easily qualify as such. It has nothing to do with disagreeing with me, but rather disagreeing with the universe in general.

Willis has done more voice work than Stallone.

I never said he didn't. You said that Stallone had not done any, and I corrected you.

All you have to do is go look at these mens credits page and do the math. Willis has grossed more. Willis appeals to women and also to guys who don't do steroids. Willis has done comedies that were actually good. And were hits.

As I've said before, who cares who grossed more at the box office? Avengers and Avatar both did well at the box office, and they were pathetic movies.

I don't particularly overly like or dislike either guy, but it is clear that either you are a massive Willis hater (his politics? in love with demi moore?) or a huge Stallone fanboi (awww) or both, in which case I don't see what the big deal is.

I know you don't particularly dislike or like either...you just say one is an untalented, steroids using porn actor with a speech impediment who has mostly played in garbage, and the other is super talented, played in more movies, have a great personality, and attracts men and women. Not sure where I would have got the idea that you particularly like one of them...
As far as why I like Stallone more, it is because he can act and brings great personality to the screen. Willis on the other hand always appears like a bored schmuck who cannot act, and brings a detestable personality to the screen.

You attempts to classify Willis as some sort of monumental failure are comical to the point that it appears to be trolling. Your worship of Stallone is almost comical, a bonafide BROMANCE in the making.

I am not sure what you are smoking, but I never classified Willis as a monumental failure. I said his career wasn't as good as Stallone's and that he was a bad actor. I admitted that unfortunately he had an undeserved, but successful career.
Also, me disliking Douche Willy is hardly me worshiping Stallone.

Vuk

08-13-2013, 14:05

Christopher Lee is the biggest badass on and off screen. 'Nuff said.

A new power is rising in Hollywood. Its victory...is at hand! ~;)

Major Robert Dump

08-13-2013, 17:25

I never said he didn't. You said that Stallone had not done any, and I corrected you.

As I've said before, who cares who grossed more at the box office? Avengers and Avatar both did well at the box office, and they were pathetic movies.

I'm just using the standard measuring stick. Either box office gross or reviews. Since neither actors are big on the latter, I chose gross. You also have to look at the movie as a whole, and Willis has had plenty of supporting roles for pretty good movies, which counts as a credit even if he played the same ole Willis. Stallone, on the other hand, is always the lead

I know you don't particularly dislike or like either...you just say one is an untalented, steroids using porn actor with a speech impediment who has mostly played in garbage, and the other is super talented, played in more movies, have a great personality, and attracts men and women. Not sure where I would have got the idea that you particularly like one of them...
As far as why I like Stallone more, it is because he can act and brings great personality to the screen. Willis on the other hand always appears like a bored schmuck who cannot act, and brings a detestable personality to the screen.

Didn't say he was untalented IIRC, didn't say he used steroids, didn't say he only plays in garbage simply said Willis played in less garbage and has more big movies (but after seeing Willis credits I admit he has had a boatload of garbage as well), didn't say Willis was super talented, and Willis does have a bigger appeal to the female audience than Stallone you can see that in his credits and the fact that he was a heartthrob in the 80s and 90s while Stallone posters were usually on boys walls, not girls, and Willis has done comedies which were considered hits in their time.

I am not sure what you are smoking, but I never classified Willis as a monumental failure. I said his career wasn't as good as Stallone's and that he was a bad actor. I admitted that unfortunately he had an undeserved, but successful career.
Also, me disliking Douche Willy is hardly me worshiping Stallone.

I didn't say you called him a huge failure. I was referring to quotes from others which were referenced on page 1, the ones which started the whole silly argument to begin with. But then you jumped all over people who begged to differ that Stallone was somehow great compared to Willis

I don't even know what we are arguing about any more. You clearly have vastly different taste in movies than do I. I hope you dream of Look Whos Talking 2 and Judge Dredd for eternity.

For you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rVIpY-r95w8