Kingmaker Mafia

[Visor]

This is based off the Kingmaker setup, with 12 players, 10 townies and 2 mafia.

One of the townies is the Kingmaker, who send his #1 and 2 choice for King each night. If he is lynched a new Kingmaker is randomly chosen amongst the remaining townies. If he is nightkilled, a new kingmaker will arise the next day, but the choice of king will be the old kingmaker's. The King is the only character with a counted vote, all other characters may vote but it will not be counted. There is also one more role, the Hero, a town power role that if lynched kills the king instead.

The Kingmaker must submit a new king every night, repeat kings are not allowed unless there are 5 or fewer players left.

IMPORTANT: Once the King votes, the day is over!

Signup below, I am looking for 12 though I can do it with 10 with 2 less vanilla townies.

Rules:
•24 hour days and 24 hour night phases. Phases will end at 5:45 PM GMT +10 or when the King makes his choice of lynch.
•You may not talk after death.
•Don't quote anything I say to you, however, paraphrasing is fine. Don't discuss the time of PM's, or the length or writing style, as it means nothing.
•No screenshots, etc.
•You may not talk to players outside the thread unless I give you leave to do so.
•You will vote for players you want lynched during the day, using the format, Vote: Visorslash. Votes must be in bold to count. If you wish to unvote and change your vote, simply: Unvote; Vote: ATPG. You don't need to do a semicolon, I just think it looks nice. Only the king's vote counts however, but voting may help to tell your king a target.
•If you are replaced or WOG killed, please do not post in the thread anymore unless it is an apology. If you are replaced by choice, please don't comment in the game.
•If you think you won't be around during the night phase to give your night action, you can always PM me your night actions in advance.
•No lynch is not allowed.
•Don't edit posts with votes. I won't count them. Feel free to misrepresent the tally, I do my own anyway. If I can be convinced otherwise, I will change the rule.
•If you miss two day phases in a row or 3 in total with any reasonable excuse or informing me why you will be WoG'ed. No exceptions for role. Not voting is the same as not participating in my book.
•Have fun. This is not an option . If you don't think you'll have fun with this game... don't join it. Nor if you feel you won't be able to participate.
• Role and Alignment will be revealed on death.

Players 12/12:
1. Choxorn
2. Montmorency
3. Ferret
4. Gaius Scribonius Curio
5. Double A
6. Darth Feather
7. Makrell
8. Edse
9. Ibn-Khaldun
10. El Barto
11. LazyMcCrow
12. BSmith

Reserves:
Riedquat
Riedquat Twice

[Choxorn]

•You may not talk after death. However, no out of thread info, etc. No "I can't say why, but lynch 'x'." If you do so, I will first give a warning, then ban you from talking. This is my general rule. In this game there is no talking after death.

This sentence seems to contradict itself a few times about whether you can talk but not say much, or just can't talk at all. Are you alright In the head?

[Visor]

This sentence seems to contradict itself a few times about whether you can talk but not say much, or just can't talk at all. Are you alright In the head?
It says there that it is my general rule and that there is no talking. I will edit it though to make a bit more sense.

[Montmorency]

yes

[Ferret]

Interesting.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Write me in.

[Double A]

I apparently hate myself so I will join

[Darth Feather]

I hope I'll be king soon.

[Makrell]

IN

•Don't edit posts with votes. I won't count them. Feel free to misrepresent the tally, I do my own anyway. If I can be convinced otherwise, I will change the rule.
•If you miss two day phases in a row or 3 in total with any reasonable excuse or informing me why you will be WoG'ed. No exceptions for role. Not voting is the same as not participating in my book.


Seiing as only the king votes the tlly will be easy. But the second rule may be a problem considering the possibility for like 6 hour days

[edse]

Is the king announced publicly after each night?

[Darth Feather]

It says there that it is my general rule and that there is no talking. I will edit it though to make a bit more sense.

Can we have one bah-pos to wave goodbye to our teammates.

Please? :hail:

[Visor]

IN

•Don't edit posts with votes. I won't count them. Feel free to misrepresent the tally, I do my own anyway. If I can be convinced otherwise, I will change the rule.
•If you miss two day phases in a row or 3 in total with any reasonable excuse or informing me why you will be WoG'ed. No exceptions for role. Not voting is the same as not participating in my book.


Seiing as only the king votes the tlly will be easy. But the second rule may be a problem considering the possibility for like 6 hour days

If the day ends early, then the second rule won't come in to play unless it's like 23 out of 24 hours have passed. Within reason anyway.

The King is publicly announced each Day. The Kingmaker will choose the first King before the game starts.
Darth Feather Yes you may.

[Visor]

4 spots left, I would love to start this today.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I should rename myself back to "The King" for this game..

[El Barto]

El Barto is in da houze!

[Double A]

Sadly, his spell check was evicted.

[El Barto]

Yo, man with two A's, I'm gonn' cut yo' ass, nigga.

[Double A]

Leave my Equus africanus asinus out of this, you ruffian.

[LazyMcCrow]

kINg for a day

[BSmith]

I'll play if there is still space.

[Riedquat]

Count me as reserve!

[Riedquat]

Count me as reserve! Twice!

[Visor]

Randomising roles, will send them out shortly. If you don't recieve a role, you are vanilla.

Game will start at 5:45 PM GMT +10 if I have the Kingmaker's choice.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Or, with daylight saving, 6.45pm AEST. :yes:

[Visor]

All roles have been sent out, I just need the choice of the kingmaker and I can start the game.

[Visor]

Montmorency is the King!

The day will end at 5:45 PM AESt (GMT +10) on the 9th of October.

That's 30 hours from this post.

The day has started!

Choxorn
Montmorency
Ferret
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Double A
Darth Feather
Makrell
edse
Ibn-Khaldun
El Barto
LazyMcCrow
BSmith

[Visor]

Everyone may vote, but only the king's choice will count.

[Double A]

In that case, vote: Visorslash

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

So given the current discussions regarding the lack of useful information created on Day 1, and the unique situation where the King's vote ends the day, I would, courteously, ask Montmorency to hold off voting until near the deadline. :bow:

Moreover I beseech the everyone else to start discussion. :bow:

Seems self-explanatory I know, but given the points raised in Visorslash's other thread, I think it bears repeating.

[edse]

So... What shall we discuss? Old memories?

I just ate a sandwich.

Now I'll take some quark.

This is better than Facebook or twitter.

[Montmorency]

Having entrenched myself in the seat of power, I do proclaim myself to be Emperor Montmorency I, of the Montmorency Dynasty.

My line's rule shall continue eternally, without challenge or remonstration.

All Mafia will be granted clemency upon surrendering their persons into imperial custody.

Long live the Emperor.

[edse]

Vote: Montmorency All hail the Emperor!

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

So... What shall we discuss? Old memories?

I just ate a sandwich.

Now I'll take some quark.

This is better than Facebook or twitter.

Behold! The flaw in my plan.

I was actually wondering how this used to work/how people at 2+2 can generate 1500 posts a day.

My first thought would be trying to reason how I would play this, if mafia...

@ Monty: If you are looking for worship in exchange for not being lynched, a heads up: none shall be forthcoming from this quarter. :bow:

[Montmorency]

Monty: If you are looking for worship in exchange for not being lynched, a heads up: none shall be forthcoming from this quarter.

I'm saying that my title of Emperor grants me Kingship for ever, which includes the duration of the game.

Furthermore, as Emperor I receive an elite bodyguard - so let's face it, either we watch me lynch all of you one by one to fish out the scum, or the scum give themselves up quickly and resign themselves to life-imprisonment within the dungeons.

:smug:

Also, I'm sure there is no reason to lynch you - yet...

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Um...

I was under the impression that we received a new 'king', courtesy of the Kingmaker, each morning.

Your reign shall last as long as the kingmaker decides that he wants you as king.

Or have I misunderstood?

[edse]

His reign ends today actually as the new choice has to be someone else.

[Montmorency]

The kingmaker is a good man. I say that quite cicerely.

[LazyMcCrow]

I hear the peasants are referring to King Monty's tenure as less of a reign and more of a drizzle. Ahyem. vote: DoubleA

[Darth Feather]

Vote: BSmith for not having posted and for winning last game as scum :2thumbsup:

[Montmorency]

I hear the peasants are referring to King Monty's tenure as less of a reign and more of a drizzle.

i keel you

[LazyMcCrow]

A shower! I meant a shower of course my liege!

hmmm. That's not really an improvement is it.

[Darth Feather]

unvote; vote: LazyMcCrow for mocking our beloved emperor

[Makrell]

HEAR ME KINGMAKER
Elect: Edse

Why do i want Edse for king, because he will use reasoing for his ultimate decision vote. If he is mafia his reasoning for his vote will still be at least partially benefical to town, or town will realize he is Mafia. If he is ton, he will work for the towns best interest.
Therefore i want edse for king. For reason and more.
Also DO NOT VOTE: Edse, lazy, makrell and others who miht contribute
i say kill the lurkers fast, they will not helo us in the furure.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Why do i want Edse for king, because he will use reasoing for his ultimate decision vote. If he is mafia his reasoning for his vote will still be at least partially benefical to town, or town will realize he is Mafia. If he is ton, he will work for the towns best interest.
Therefore i want edse for king. For reason and more.

Why would this not be true of anyone else who has posted?

More reasons? Care to elaborate?

[Makrell]

Why would this not be true of anyone else who has posted?

More reasons? Care to elaborate?

Edse is a prolific poster which IMO usually provide good reasons for his votes, he is not a bandwagoner always either, which is good.
the other selection was just some posters. i would vote for any lurker and shorthposter.

[edse]

Edse is a prolific poster which IMO usually provide good reasons for his votes, he is not a bandwagoner always either, which is good.
the other selection was just some posters. i would vote for any lurker and shorthposter.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

[Makrell]

I don't know whether to laugh or cry...

do both.

[LazyMcCrow]

...
i say kill the lurkers fast, they will not helo us in the furure. I quite agree. Have you been drinking?

[Montmorency]

Ay, tis a serious problem.

All his friends say he drinks like a fish.

:drummer:

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Edse is a prolific poster which IMO usually provide good reasons for his votes, he is not a bandwagoner always either, which is good.

Notwithstanding the other comments: but, how does this not describe Monty, or Lazy, or Darth Feather, or even, dare I say it, myself?

[Makrell]

Notwithstanding the other comments: but, how does this not describe Monty, or Lazy, or Darth Feather, or even, dare I say it, myself?

Monty is king already, hence cant be king again.

Choosing Edse over lazy or darth feather is a personal preference, i think he usually posts better. i do not know you very well, but cant recall seeing you do any big and grand analysis?.

The reason for my choosing an election vote is because posts day 1 provide data to be seen and thought of. I would suggest for all of us to "choose" a king, it provides better data than a vote right of random.org.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Ok. Reasonable answers and a clear statement as to why you are trying to elect a king. If you had this to begin with I would not have questioned it. :rtwyes:

For the record (though I am sure that you know me) I tend to contribute - I just tend to be wrong...

[BSmith]

Vote: BSmith for not having posted and for winning last game as scum :2thumbsup:

Sheesh. Can a man not get a good night of sleep around here without being accused of being the devil?

Anyway, I like the idea of voting for our next king. vote: Makrell is how you do it, right?
:clown:

[Makrell]

Sheesh. Can a man not get a good night of sleep around here without being accused of being the devil?

Anyway, I like the idea of voting for our next king. vote: Makrell is how you do it, right?
:clown:
no.

[Ferret]

I find it very suspicious that Makrell is trying to influence the Kingmaker at such an early stage.
It would be awful convenient for you if your scum partner edse was made King wouldn't it, Makrell?

BSmith can't possibly be scum, because he used a clown smiley.

[Makrell]

I find it very suspicious that Makrell is trying to influence the Kingmaker at such an early stage.
It would be awful convenient for you if your scum partner edse was made King wouldn't it, Makrell?

BSmith can't possibly be scum, because he used a clown smiley.

Indeed it would, what valuable data to have about players if we knew who they wanted to become king.
Other than that i point to the "gameroom mafia discussion" and say that we need more day 1 info.

So i ask all players whom they would wih to be king, other than themselves.

[Ferret]

BSmith, because he's so honest he'll probably just tell you if you ask him if he's mafia.

Or Curio, because I like his reasoning methods. Although I can't recall being in a game that he's been scum in, so I'm not really sure how his behaviour changes when he is scum.

[LazyMcCrow]

BSmith, because he's so honest he'll probably just tell you if you ask him if he's mafia.

Or Curio, because I like his reasoning methods. Although I can't recall being in a game that he's been scum in, so I'm not really sure how his behaviour changes when he is scum.

This is just the sort of thing scum would say. A sip of WIFOM about one and then some non-commital opinion about another. Ferret I denounce you! Firstly, I place on you my INEFFECTIVE VOTE! (unvote, vote: Duke Ferret of Leet) THEN! - despite my lack of official Elector status, or indeed there being any such system of democracy in our land - I DO NOT elect you as King!. There. Take that. I agree with your choices though. :bow:

[Ferret]

GOD DAMN IT CROWMCLAZY! HOW DID YOU MANAGE TO THWART MY EVIL PLANS SO EASILY, AND ON DAY ONE?!

Now my plot to slay the Kingmaker will surely fail.

Vote: Ferret

[Darth Feather]

I find it very suspicious that Makrell is trying to influence the Kingmaker at such an early stage.
It would be awful convenient for you if your scum partner edse was made King wouldn't it, Makrell?
.

That would be a really silly move. Why get your scumbuddy king from the beginning, instead on a more critical time. I mean, if we have a final standoff, it could be crucial to have a townie king instead of a scumking.

[Ferret]

Repeat Kings will be allowed by that point. But I agree it would be a silly move, giving yourself a clear link to your scum partner so early in the game. You never know though.

[BSmith]

This is just the sort of thing scum would say. A sip of WIFOM about one and then some non-commital opinion about another. Ferret I denounce you! Firstly, I place on you my INEFFECTIVE VOTE! (unvote, vote: Duke Ferret of Leet) THEN! - despite my lack of official Elector status, or indeed there being any such system of democracy in our land - I DO NOT elect you as King!. There. Take that. I agree with your choices though. :bow:

Well, he is right about one thing. I much prefer to be an honest scumbag than a lying one. :bow:

[El Barto]

vote: Makrell should die.

:clown:

[Makrell]

We need more votes. MORE DATA

Also bandwagons on crasy makrell is no good.

[BSmith]

Bandwagons on anyone is no good. It all comes down to who's head the king wants.

[El Barto]

Also bandwagons on crasy makrell is no good.
I didn't expect you to say anything else, you crazy Viking.

[Double A]

There are other kinds of viking?

[Makrell]

There are other kinds of viking?

The skiing viking

[Ferret]

I've never heard anyone call the Techno Viking crazy.

[BSmith]

There is a fine line between data and noise...

[El Barto]

All hail das Techno Viking!

[Choxorn]

I agree that Makrell should die.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

If we are talking about who would make a good King: I would be happiest with Ferret or BSmith (no hard feelings to the rest), because I strongly feel that they would make a well-reasoned decision (and again, that is no slur aimed the rest).

On the other hand, the further the game progresses, the more information there is available to use in coming to a well-reasoned decision.

Moreover, even a mafioso can come to a decision that appears well-reasoned...

I should stop before I descend into post-modernist nonsense. Essentially, the trade-off here is between who do you trust to come to the best decision, and who do you think might be mafia? I would advocate that both King and Kingmaker takes the offered advice of the group as a whole.

[Ferret]

I still don't see how anyone could expect useful data to be generated on day 1. All we have to go on at this point is trying to guess who would appoint Monty as King, and that doesn't remotely help us figure out who the mafia is...

Though I suppose we've gained a, probably meaningless, link between edse and Makrell.

Edit: I should learn to refresh the page before posting... This was in response to BSmith.

[El Barto]

What link between edse and Makrell?

[Double A]

Well, if the kingmaker has to be townie, then whoever chose Monty is obviously town. I figure Monty being chosen might have something to do with him being the champion. Who wants to play Chase the Tangent with me?

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

If I read Monty correctly, he also will not cut himself up about being forced to make an essentially random choice either. He seems to live for chaos.

[Montmorency]

I decree that Vote: Ferret

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Honourable members of the jury, as evidence of my prior statement I submit Exhibit A above.

[Visor]

End Day 1

Ferret has died! He was a townie.



Alive 11/12:
1. Choxorn
2. Montmorency - KING
4. Gaius Scribonius Curio
5. Double A
6. Darth Feather
7. Makrell
8. Edse
9. Ibn-Khaldun
10. El Barto
11. LazyMcCrow
12. BSmith

Dead 1/12:
3. Ferret, lynched D1, town.

Night falls, the assassins and kingmaker have just over 24 hours to submit their choices.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

In all seriousness, Montmorency, did you have a reason for your vote?

[Makrell]

In all seriousness, Montmorency, did you have a reason for your vote?

Meh, i couldve done the same.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I am not asking in a perjorative sense. The more data we have the better the situation we are in. If Monty acted without a reason, I am hardly going to crucify him: it's day 1. If, however, he had a reason, it would add to the amount of information the rest of us have to work with, if he were to share it.

Of course, there are problems with honesty and what have you, but I believe that being honest would not hinder him whether he is town or mafia. Given that I choose to believe that he will be honest...

[Montmorency]

Not really.

He was last to enter the scene, maybe?

[Ferret]

Well that's the last time I try and provide data.

This is the trouble with posting a lot on day 1, it just draws attention to you. Meanwhile the likes of Choxorn and Ibn-Khaldun can lurk their way along completely unnoticed.

[Darth Feather]

M'lord, I propose a Vote choxorn and Ibn-Khaldun in the near future if they don't post a lot.

(also that goes for every other townie btw including me)

[Makrell]

Well that's the last time I try and provide data.

This is the trouble with posting a lot on day 1, it just draws attention to you. Meanwhile the likes of Choxorn and Ibn-Khaldun can lurk their way along completely unnoticed.

But you did it late, which is what monty was drawn to. But i agree, lurkers beware

[Ferret]

Well it's not my fault the round started when I was asleep. :clown:

[Riedquat]

M'lord, I propose a Vote choxorn and Ibn-Khaldun in the near future if they don't post a lot.

Let me tell you something... Riedquat Twice is not happy with your idea :stare:

[Darth Feather]

Let me tell you something... Riedquat Twice is not happy with your idea :stare:

Read small letters. :book2: They explain my point.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I haven't posted because I haven't been in Estonia and near any internet capable device for almost 24 hours.

[LazyMcCrow]

Read small letters. :book2: They explain my point.

Ordinarily your 'small letters' would be ringing my spidey sense alarm bells: Doubletime, but I'm fed up listening to my spidey senses - they are apparently so rarely accurate that - henceforth I'm going to take anyone who seems suspicious to me off my list of suspects. :bow:

[El Barto]

In all seriousness, Montmorency, did you have a reason for your vote?Meh, i couldve done the same.
Being mafia, you could've killed an Innocent by yourself. I like that kind of reasoning.

I haven't posted because I haven't been in Estonia and near any internet capable device for almost 24 hours.
Can't you be outside Estonia but near an internet-capable device?

[Choxorn]

And I'm not posting a lot because... well, mostly I'm lazy and it's Day 1 and there's nothing to talk about.

[LazyMcCrow]

That's called 'lurking'. There's loads to talk about.

[Visor]

Day 2

BSmith has died! He was the kingmaker!.

Gaius Scribonius Curio is now the king! A new kingmaker will arise soon to take the place of the old one.


Alive 10/12:
1. Choxorn
2. Montmorency
4. Gaius Scribonius Curio - KING
5. Double A
6. Darth Feather
7. Makrell
8. Edse
9. Ibn-Khaldun
10. El Barto
11. LazyMcCrow


Dead 2/12:
3. Ferret, lynched D1, town.
12. BSmith, killed N1, kingmaker.

Day will end at 7 PM AEST GMT+10. About 24 hours from now.

[LazyMcCrow]

See - Loads to talk about. And I'm Lazy not you. ineffective vote: Choxorn let's hear what you think of it all.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

:charge:

I shall endeavour to live up to the trust placed in me.

My question, for now, would be centred on who would go for BSmith Night 1...

[edse]

If metagaming existed, which it does not, I would guess someone from the ATPG III mafia.

[BSmith]

Avenge meeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee.........

[edse]

So...

1. BSmith chooses Montmorency as first king.
2. Montmorency lunches Ferret.
3. BSmith chooses Curio as second king.
4. Someone kills BSmith.

... what information can we extract from this?

[Makrell]

Montomery might be mafia, IF the king gets any info abou anything ever out of thread. I dont know if that is the case. Curio or monty could disprove all this pretty soon if they say the info they got from visor.

[edse]

10999

But why BSmith? He was one of the most respected members of the gameroom community. Successful, smart, good looking. Was it envy that drove the murderer to this action? Or maybe an admirer feeling neglected by his idol? Maybe BSmith, behind the polished facade, was involved in shady affairs, gaining him enemies on both sides of the law. Blackmailing? Casino debts? I want everything you can find on him!

Da hell guise?

[LazyMcCrow]

So...

1. BSmith chooses Montmorency as first king.
2. Montmorency lunches Ferret.
3. BSmith chooses Curio as second king.
4. Someone kills BSmith.

... what information can we extract from this?

Actual information? Factoids?
One thing I know for sure is that Monty has killed either one or two townies. Unfortunately that's two different things.

BSmith gave Monty the first day as King - why? well if Pizzas last game was anything to go by then Monty was pretty much towns MVP (not that that's really saying alot ;) - hells - maybe he felt bad about trouncing town so badly with his flawless mafia victory and bestowed Kingship on who he felt played against him best. Or - maybe he gave Monty a free pass because it's not uncommon to see Monty lynched early. This is in any case; less important for analysis than BSmiths choice to put GSC in for King. After the first day in which GSC had attempted to generate plenty of discussion, he seems a solid enough choice - one that I probably would have made.

It is of course entirely possible that either of our royal line are scum, but right now I just want to hear more from those who haven't posted. It feels like Ferret got lynched for making a small contribution. He seemed scummy to me, but then that's only compared to people who can't seem scummy because they're lurking. I think if I had been in Monty's royal shoes on the first day I would just have lynched anyone who hadn't posted. It's probably not the right place for the discussion, but not posting at least once a day is ...well: How rude!

[Montmorency]

It's probably not the right place for the discussion, but not posting at least once a day is ...well: How rude!

If you'll excuse me, I'll just bide my time until the throne passes to me once more.

:hide:

[El Barto]

vote: Makrell

[Darth Feather]

I am going to Vote: Ibn-khaldun

No problem with having limited internet acces, but it is not helping the town either.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

To business: I did not agree with Monty's choice of Ferret, for all I can see why he made it. Frankly, lynching one of those who had not posted would have sent a more positive message, even if no more likely to hit a mafioso day 1.

The reason I asked regarding who would go for BSmith so early is because I view him as someone, in fact almost the ideal person, who could be used to divert attention from the mafiosi in the late game.

It is certainly possible for the kingmaker to choose badly, that is one of the key problems that the town has to overcome. And discussion regarding the next prospective ruler would always be helpful: at this stage I would nominate Lazy or edse.

I understand that the next lynch is my responsibility alone, but I am stating unambiguously now. I currently view votes unsupported by any reasoning as suspicious.

El Barto: why Makrell?
Darth Feather: this reads like the easy option - sure I-K is not helping, but is he any more likely to be mafia? Given that it is day 2, and he would have a partner, surely now, with more information should be going after the active member(s) of the enemy. We have a very limited window to start knocking the mafia off, and I would rather now focus on using the information we have accumulated.

That said: Choxorn; Double A; I-K: take this as fair warning - get involved or risk execution. :stare:

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Vote: Darth Feather

It's easy to vote for someone who can't defend himself. Anyway, I'm back now.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Ibn-Khaldun: no more to add? You seem to be echoing my point in an attempt to divert my attention from you...

It will not necessarily work...

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Vote: El Barto :knight:

[LazyMcCrow]

Wo! That was a little out of the blue there ummm... my liege! How come you made your decision so quickly? We've still got courtiers who have yet to speak.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I placed my vote at 7.54pm with the round due to end at 8.00pm.

That it is now 8.35pm and there has been no announcement regarding game progress speaks of the Australian approach to time management.

[Visor]

It's Friday night GSC!

Proper update in the morning. El Barto is an innocent townie.

24 hours or so for night orders.

[Montmorency]

I demand that the Kingmaker nominate Darth Feather.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Fair enough...

The correct Australian attitude, but still the typical one.

As to reasoning, unlike those who have so far failed to show an interest, or have been lost in the wild without internet, El Barto had voiced opinions regarding who he wanted to lynch, but had chosen, despite the emphasis of all involved, to take no part in wider discussion and meld into the background.

I deemed this to be sufficient reason to act against him, and was proven wrong.

I hereby lay down my imperium, that it may be assumed by tomorrow's magisterial appointment. :smash:

[LazyMcCrow]

I demand that the Kingmaker nominate Darth Feather.

Your reasoning?




I deemed this to be sufficient reason to act against him, and was proven wrong.

Seems fair enough. I had also forgotten that the phase had a time limit - assuming that it just ended once the King had voted.

[El Barto]

El Barto: why Makrell?

Vote: El Barto :knight:

As to reasoning, unlike those who have so far failed to show an interest, or have been lost in the wild without internet, El Barto had voiced opinions regarding who he wanted to lynch, but had chosen, despite the emphasis of all involved, to take no part in wider discussion and meld into the background.
Maybe you could've waited for me to explain myself… and I'm manly enough not to blame my Internet even when it does act out on me.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Indeed, I would have waited for your explanation, had the round end not been imminent.

To be honest, I was to focused on trying to force discussion and the time came to make a decision and I had to narrow it down from 6. In the end I had to base my decision on the lack of substance in those posts which you had already made, despite the fact that you had not had a chance to respond.


and I'm manly enough not to blame my Internet even when it does act out on me.

Duly noted.

[Visor]

End Night 2

Makrell has died! He was an innocent townie!.

Choxorn is now the king!

Alive 8/12:
1. Choxorn - KING
2. Montmorency - Old King
4. Gaius Scribonius Curio - Old King
5. Double A
6. Darth Feather
8. Edse
9. Ibn-Khaldun
11. LazyMcCrow

Dead 4/12:
3. Ferret, lynched D1, town.
12. BSmith, killed N1, kingmaker (town).
10. El Barto, lynched D1, town.
7. Makrell, killed N2, town.

Day will end at 9 PM AEST GMT+10. About 22 hours from now.

[Montmorency]

Darth Feather should have become King. :mean:

[Darth Feather]

Darth Feather should have become King. :mean:

True that. At least it might encourage Choxorn to actually take part in the discussion.

[LazyMcCrow]

Darth Feather should have become King. :mean:
Wasn't sure why you called for that yesterday - care to expand? Didn't fancy asking for the job again yourself?


True that. At least it might encourage Choxorn to actually take part in the discussion.
Indeed. In the meantime: Ineffective Vote: DoubleA

[Darth Feather]

I feel kinda bad to start a case on an actual contributor while there are several lurkers.

I mean, we have no way to find out wether I-K or Double A are scum.

[Montmorency]

Wasn't sure why you called for that yesterday - care to expand? Didn't fancy asking for the job again yourself?


All in good time.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Well, I'm not scum. But I agree that there is no way for us to find out who are scum and who are not.

[edse]

Sorry for not saying anything today, I've been a bit restless.

I actually believe Darth Feather is mafia. They killed Makrell to pretty much secure Darth Feather's crowning today as those two were the top candidates, at least in my eyes. Weirdly enough the Kingmaker made Choxorn king instead.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Since the kingmaker is randomly chosen what happens if mafia becomes one?

[Double A]

The rules say only townies can become kingmakers. Can kingmakers crown themselves, though?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yeah, You are right.. misread the OP.

[Darth Feather]

Sorry for not saying anything today, I've been a bit restless.

I actually believe Darth Feather is mafia. They killed Makrell to pretty much secure Darth Feather's crowning today as those two were the top candidates, at least in my eyes. Weirdly enough the Kingmaker made Choxorn king instead.

If they can only kill once it might just be them eliminating the most talkative players, and Makrell has been more talkative than me.
But maybe the kingmaker made Makrell king? But why take Choxorn as second choice?
Also, to answer DoubleA: I don't think it is in the OP.

[Double A]

One of the townies is the Kingmaker, who send his #1 and 2 choice for King each night. If he is lynched a new Kingmaker is randomly chosen amongst the remaining townies. If he is nightkilled, a new kingmaker will arise the next day, but the choice of king will be the old kingmaker's. The King is the only character with a counted vote, all other characters may vote but it will not be counted. There is also one more role, the Hero, a town power role that if lynched kills the king instead.


I think it is.

[Choxorn]

Alright, I've been busy all week and have barely any idea what's going on.

Can you guys point me to who you think is likely to be mafia, and why?

[Montmorency]

Slay the foul edse, my criminal "king".

You might also consider abdicating in favor of Darth Feather.

[El Barto]

I maintain that Makrell is scum. Not even death can stop me.

[Choxorn]

Vote: edse

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Bit late I know, but any reasons aside from 'Monty said so'?

[Visor]

edse has been lynched!

He was an evil assassin!

24 hours for night orders.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I retract my previous query...

[Choxorn]

Because Monty said so and because I found a few of his posts a bit suspicious.

[BSmith]

Rock on.

[Visor]

End Night 3

Darth Feather has died! He was the kingmaker!.

Lazy McCrow is now the king!

A new kingmaker will arise soon.

Alive 6/12:
1. Choxorn - Old King
2. Montmorency - Old King
4. Gaius Scribonius Curio - Old King
5. Double A
9. Ibn-Khaldun
11. LazyMcCrow - KING

Dead 6/12:
3. Ferret, lynched D1, town.
12. BSmith, killed N1, kingmaker (town).
10. El Barto, lynched D1, town.
7. Makrell, killed N2, town.
8. Edse, lynched D3, mafia.
6. Darth Feather, killed N3, kingmaker.

Day will end at 8 PM AEST GMT+10. About 24 hours from now.

[LazyMcCrow]

Well. Long live ME! I shall obviously be leaning heavily on the advice of previous encumbents: Old Kings Choxorn and Monty, but would like to hear from all subjects before making my decision. I shall not look favourably apon silence!DoubleA and IK please be warned. :bow:

[Montmorency]

The only option is to lynch me.

[Montmorency]

I am the Hero. Next round is LYLO. I must die in order that there be 3 rather than 4 at the final phase.

I can not hope to survive another night. Even if I were to, my ability is of no use in LYLO.

Crow: if you are town, sacrifice yourself for the greater good; if you are scum, then mark my words - you will be lynched tomorrow regardless.

Indeed, if Crow is scum then he is trapped, and we have won. If he is town, then he is duty-bound to die for his country - or we are lost.

[BSmith]

http://forums.civfanatics.com/images/smilies/popcorn.gif

[Darth Feather]

Darth Feather has died!

Like that wasn't expected.

See, DoubleA, I am not allways scum

[LazyMcCrow]

but if Choxorn was bussing edse, then that would see him through to end game with a 'rock-solid' alibi. vote: Choxorn

[Montmorency]

Crow - the only rational choice for a townie is to vote me.

[Choxorn]

Doesn't matter, he voted, day's over.

Lazy, you're either a mafia or a complete moron. That's not a situation where I would bus somebody if I was mafia. With the number of players left I'd just random-lynch one of the lurkers, that would make me look about as townie as lynching my partner would make me look.

[Double A]

Like that wasn't expected.

See, DoubleA, I am not allways scum

No I'm pretty sure you were cult.

[LazyMcCrow]

Lazy, you're either a mafia or a complete moron. If you're not scum then I guess the fact that my track record as a moron is pretty much unparalleled :/

[Montmorency]

The least you could do now is change your vote to me in the hope that it will count...

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Nice to see that I can wake up and find everything nicely in hand.

Needless to say that Monty should be regarded as 99% innocent: he had almost nothing to gain from that manoeuvre as mafia. As such I advocate his emplacement as next king. Though I suppose Lazy's fate is sealed, I would prefer that the town's fate were in somewhat reliable hands.

[Visor]

End Night 4

Choxorn has died! He was an innocent townie.

Montmorency has been killed. He was the town hero.


Alive 4/12:
4. Gaius Scribonius Curio
5. Double A
9. Ibn-Khaldun - KING
11. LazyMcCrow

Dead 8/12:
3. Ferret, lynched D1, town.
12. BSmith, killed N1, kingmaker (town).
10. El Barto, lynched D1, town.
7. Makrell, killed N2, town.
8. Edse, lynched D3, mafia.
6. Darth Feather, killed N3, kingmaker.
1. Choxorn, lynched D4, town.
2. Montmorency, killed N4, hero.

This is the final day phase. It is LYLO. Ibn-Khaldun must choose a target to vote for within 48 hours.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Best way to solve this mystery is for the kingmaker to reveal himself. If I-K is mafia then it is all over anyway, so we have to assume that he is not. Since the kingmaker cannot be mafia, that would eliminate another, and since I am not mafia (nor indeed the kingmaker), there can only be one option. At this stage I have strong suspicions, but I would like to hear from the current kingmaker...

[Montmorency]

Geez, Double A must be Kingmaker.

Just lynch Crow.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

I would be inclined to agree, but since only I-K has a valid vote, it would not hurt to wait for confirmation of this fact.

[Ibn-Khaldun]

I too would like to know who is the kingmaker. At this point of the game there is no need to hide anymore.

[LazyMcCrow]

Well I'm not the Kingmaker, so it must be DoubleA, in which case, your scum is the very well played, and ultimately evil GSC. Kudos for a most camouflaged performance. Inneffective vote: GSC.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Well since noone is claiming the only role which guarantees townie status, I think that you can make your decision, I-K.

As Lazy suggests, it must be Double A.

Would you wish to hear from me, or do you agree with the consensus view?

[Ibn-Khaldun]

If Double A is the kingmaker then I have to choose between two of you. I guess Montmorency might be right.

Vote: LazyMcCrow

[Visor]

Game over!

[Visor]

End Day 5

Ibn-Khaldun grimaced. It was a hard task to be King. His court was almost empty. He looked at Double A, then at Gaius, then at Lazy.

Suddenly without warning he raised his hand and pointed it at Lazy. He was shot to pieces by the courts bowmen. A piece of parchment fell out of his pocket, detailing his plan for control of the kingdom. Ibn-Khaldun breathed a sigh of relief. He had chose correctly.

LazyMcCrow has been killed. He was the last assassin.


Alive 3/12:
4. Gaius Scribonius Curio
5. Double A
9. Ibn-Khaldun - KING


Dead 9/12:
3. Ferret, lynched D1, town.
12. BSmith, killed N1, kingmaker (town).
10. El Barto, lynched D1, town.
7. Makrell, killed N2, town.
8. Edse, lynched D3, mafia.
6. Darth Feather, killed N3, kingmaker.
1. Choxorn, lynched D4, town.
2. Montmorency, killed N4, hero.
11. LazyMcCrow, lynched D5, mafia.


TOWN VICTORY!

http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/sveGwQzXSRRPR

Thanks for playing. I hope you had fun!

[edse]

Thanks for the game, a shame that we lost though.



I am the Hero. Next round is LYLO. I must die in order that there be 3 rather than 4 at the final phase.

I can not hope to survive another night. Even if I were to, my ability is of no use in LYLO.

Crow: if you are town, sacrifice yourself for the greater good; if you are scum, then mark my words - you will be lynched tomorrow regardless.

Indeed, if Crow is scum then he is trapped, and we have won. If he is town, then he is duty-bound to die for his country - or we are lost.

This post, that probably won you the game, doesn't make any sense at all. Lynching Monty or not, there would always have been 4 people in the last phase. Assuming Lazy would have been innocent, then Monty is telling him to lynch someone clearly innocent instead of choosing any of the other and having 1/4 probability of hitting scum. The fifth day would have looked the same anyway. Thus, Lazy would have acted against the towns interest if he'd obeyed Monty.

[Double A]

I was kingmaker but revealing that was punishable by WoG. Also you guys basically concluded the phase when I was asleep.

[Montmorency]

This post, that probably won you the game, doesn't make any sense at all. Lynching Monty or not, there would always have been 4 people in the last phase. Assuming Lazy would have been innocent, then Monty is telling him to lynch someone clearly innocent instead of choosing any of the other and having 1/4 probability of hitting scum. The fifth day would have looked the same anyway. Thus, Lazy would have acted against the towns interest if he'd obeyed Monty.

If Lazy had lynched me, he would have died. That was my role: the town-joker-uh-thing...



You are the Hero of the village! After a long campaign of fighting dragons in distant lands and having sex with beautiful princesses after you rescue them from those dragons, you've returned to your hometown to retire. The town loves you and will fight fiercely to make sure you are not executed! In fact, if the King decides to kill you, the village will rise up in protest of the corrupt King and kill him instead! However, this ability isn't very useful if you're not executed, so you should probably stay quiet about what you can do. Also, Assassins will likely try and kill you above anyone else, so that's another good incentive to stay quiet. Once revealed as the Hero, you may not become King of the realm. You win with the VILLAGE! (town).

[edse]

If Lazy had lynched me, he would have died. That was my role: the town-joker-uh-thing...

Yes, so you told him to lynch himself instead of having a one in four chance if he lynched one of the others. And this wouldn't have affected the next day at all.

He would never have done this even if innocent.

[Montmorency]

6 players

*Hero not lynched
*Night-kill
*4 players

6 players

*Hero lynched, King lynched
*Night-kill
*3 players

If the King were innocent, it would have been in his best interest to narrow down the list of candidates. Lynching on his own judgement would have been 25%, while for a final phase with 3 players, the odds would have jumped to 50%.

[BSmith]

Either way you put him in a nice box that he couldn't really get out of. He either killed himself, thus losing the game, or had to pick someone else and justify it against your post, which was extremely scummy.

[edse]

The king is lynched instead of the hero. You would still have been alive.

[BSmith]

But we would then have had one confirmed townie, making the choice much easier for the new king.

EDIT: assuming he wasn't nightkilled, but that is removed from the immediate decision on whether or not to lynch him in the first place.

EDIT2: either way it was a great ploy to force the king's decision out of the shadows and have to actually justify. The king couldn't just skirt by and make a seemingly good decision. He had to react to this proposal or face the consequences, which is ultimately what happened.

[Montmorency]

The king is lynched instead of the hero. You would still have been alive.

Alright, I see the error.

Ultimately however, it is still a powerful trial-by-ordeal. At the very least, the King would have to make an extremely vigorous case for another candidate to justify not falling on his own sword.

[Choxorn]

Well, Lazy, looks like I have to apologize for calling you a moron. You were just a scum. :P

[Ibn-Khaldun]

Yay.. I survived and killed a scum!

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

Thanks to Visorslash for an excellent game. Congratulations to Montmorency for his game-changing manoeuvre, throwing all the pressure onto the mafia. Commiserations to edse and Lazy, who did not do a whole lot wrong.

First time in a while that I have survived and/or have not done something really stupid, so that's a bonus.

[Darth Feather]

Great game :) Thanks for hosting.

And the town won .

[El Barto]

First time in a while that I have survived and/or have not done something really stupid, so that's a bonus.
The hell? You killed me.

[BSmith]

I see no conflict there... :shrug:

[El Barto]

Stupid is bad, killing me is bad, therefore, killing me is stupid.

[Gaius Scribonius Curio]

England is an island; Crete is an island; therefore, Crete is England... :no:

[El Barto]

As a matter of principle, I hold that killing me is a stupid thing to do. I'm a harmless little kitty.

[Ferret]

England is an island? Did Scotland and Wales fall off? :clown:

I quite liked the Kingmaker set up, despite the fact that most of the townies can't even vote and I died on day 1. Thanks for hosting Trug.

[LazyMcCrow]

Thanks to all - especially Visor - I particularly liked the set up. All my relevant comments are already in the mafia QT.

[Riedquat]

Liked the game but we are bit sad we couldn't join in time... :clown: