Large Mafia Game Italian-themed Small Mafia (In Play) [Archive] - Page 2

Darth Feather

11-20-2013, 16:05

NIGHT FIVE

No one was killed.
TheLastDays has been replaced by Gaius Scribonius Curio.

Time remaining for Day Six: .

LYNCH OR LOSE.

Dead people who died (10):
Double A - Lorenzo Mostachiolo.
dcmort93 - Donato Conchiglio.
Askthepizzaguy - Anthony Sampietro.
BSmith - Marco Romano.
issaikhaan - Stefano Tagliolini.
Zain - Michele Bucatino.
a completely inoffensive name - Frederico delle Fusilli e Penne.
Montmorency - Maurizio Trenette.
Lux - Dante Pappardello.
Zack - Sandro Rigatti.

Living players who are alive (6):
GeneralHankerchief
Darth Feather
Riedquat
TheLastDays Gaius Scribonius Curio
Jarrema
Makrell

This is bad, this means there are probably three scumbags.
I am very interested to hear from GH.

Riedquat

11-20-2013, 16:21

This is bad, this means there are probably three scumbags.
I am very interested to hear from GH.

Agree! But with 3 scumbags why there is no kill? ~:confused:
What if the vegetable bag isn't what we think, and instead is a conversion tool? They are not killing but converting us into salads?

Jarema

11-20-2013, 16:21

No one killed for a second time, and we are at Ly-Lo?
maybe there is some kind of recruitment...
vote: GH

Jarema

11-20-2013, 16:22

Riedquat: what you have said.

All good people are pasta, I think. NOT veggies

Makrell

11-20-2013, 17:34

Vote: GH

Something is odd here

But i think the bag might be benefical to own factions. So i want it. We should atleast not give it to GH again

Vote: Makrell

GeneralHankerchief

11-20-2013, 21:34

Wednesday is a bad day for me, I'll be on more in like 7 hours.

*I* got blocked this time. Smell knocked me out before I could serve the veggies to Makrell. Not sure what the no-kill signifies, a frame maybe?

Vote: Makrell

Gaius Scribonius Curio

11-20-2013, 21:38

Hi everyone.

I'll need to skim over the thread before contributing anything substantial, but Vote: Abstain to register my presence, and Vote: Curio, since I do not yet trust any of you...

Jarema

11-20-2013, 22:14

Vote: Makrell

Riedquat

11-20-2013, 22:38

Vote: GH

Something is odd here

But i think the bag might be benefical to own factions. So i want it. We should atleast not give it to GH again

Vote: Makrell

We can't leave that damned bag alone that is sure, but I'm not really sure I want to get that thing.

If there are 3 scum left we are in a serious trouble, sadly GSC is top suspect due TLD inactivity and the lack of kill of the last two days, GH sits there too, for the use of the damned bag too, whatever it does. DF, I read him mostly as townie, had some doubts when he voted the bag to GH, but I did the same thing yesterday, also he just pointed out our LYLO instance, I honestly had to read twice El Barto's post to find the bloody line. Jarema at my eyes is town too. Makrell voted GH yesterday... and wanted the damned bag from first day, others too, so I really don't know what make of it. I'm almost convinced I'm not the third... so gah!!

Now if GH is telling the truth, and we believe that story... my suspects would be... GSC, Makrell and jarema? (for your point of view feel free to replace one of these names with mine)

All this makes no sense, my brain hurts!

Btw, I'm Marco delle Tagliatelle and I FoS every one of you not giving your names at this instance!

GeneralHankerchief

11-21-2013, 04:12

I'm more than willing to let somebody else have the bag this round - as best I can tell right now it's a volatile roleblocker that has some chance of backfiring on the user. I'd let Makrell have it aside from the fact that he's my prime suspect.

Vote: Riedquat

Btw, what's LYLO?

GeneralHankerchief

11-21-2013, 04:13

(nvm, "lynch or lose"). Didn't want to edit my last post.

Zack

11-21-2013, 04:43

Lynch or love.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

11-21-2013, 04:49

GeneralHankerchief

11-21-2013, 05:09

I already explained everything. I had the bag for two nights. The first night, I blocked Zack and there were no kills. The second night, it (almost literally) blew up in my face and there were no kills. I'll also note that during the period I was inactive (a week to about 3 days ago) there were still kills.

My hypothesis is that the mafia purposely held off on killing last night specifically to engineer the very scenario we're seeing now - an easy scapegoat for this LYLO round.

Jarema

11-21-2013, 10:24

You may be right...
unvote; vote: Gaius

Makrell

11-21-2013, 12:56

Im Santino Orecchietto.

And im not sure whos what, but Something is odd with GH, if he did block me i have no ability that would stop him, unless the bag only blocks paople with abilities, and otherwise blow up in their face.

but was GH blocked by someone, as to say the mafia has a roleblocker? It seems odd that if the mafi has a roleblocker they wouldnt perform a kill, if this is LYLO wouldnt they have won if a player died this night?

Jarema

11-21-2013, 13:24

if this is LYLO wouldnt they have won if a player died this night?

If there are 3 mafia players, they won already. So, there are no 3 mafia players.

We have 6 players alive, 2 of them are mafia. So proportion of 4 townies to 2 mafiats.
If they killed someone at night, it would be 3 townies to 2 mafiats.
In both cases it is Lylo if town does not have a roleblocker. So, town does not have a roleblocker (if it has, it would be not LyLo today).
From the mafia perspective, it was better to refrain from killing at night (its easier to miss-lynch at 4:2 than at 3:2).

If there was a roleblocking at night, it was either mafia or this strange item.

Other thing: your name concerns me, Makrell. So, unvote; vote: Makrell.
But we need more analysis

Riedquat

11-21-2013, 14:08

@ Riedquat: Mauro Zitono, why?

Having read through the thread properly, I think that GH has the most to explain. No kills for a few days (beginning after TLDs inactivity) and his holding of the vegetables suggests to me that they have blocked kills.

Vote:GH

Given that he does not want the vegetables to go to Makrell

Vote: Makrell

But think about this, he gained the veggies by vote the first time, lets assume he got blocked by them and that is the reason of the lack of kill that night, possible. Now why on earth he would be asking for the vegetables again after this happened?

If the vegetables do other thing than blocking, if they are a sort of conversion tool, it could make a bit of sense and perhaps explain why the lylo instance we are seeing now.

Now, with what jarema just posted, so now it is 4:2 if town lynch wrong, 3:2, with a kill at night 2:2 and we're screwed...

From the mafia perspective, it was better to refrain from killing at night (its easier to miss-lynch at 4:2 than at 3:2).

Oh.. wicked maths... definitively a tool I wouldn't be using soon as mafia, but perhaps other more experienced players and hosts who do this frequently... like yourself or GH, or a more analytic person like GSC, but(?) he just came in... Can we clear people by their dumbness? :P

Names so far:
Riedquat: Marco delle Tagliatelle
GSC: Mauro Zitono
Makrell: Santino Orechietto
Jarema: Vito Fetuccino
GH: ??
DF: ??

Btw jarema, why Makrell's name concerns you? :inquisitive:

Jarema

11-21-2013, 14:32

Names so far:
Riedquat: Marco delle Tagliatelle
GSC: Mauro Zitono
Makrell: Santino Orechietto
Jarema: ??
GH: ??
DF: ??

Btw jarema, why Makrell's name concerns you? :inquisitive:

1. I was the first one (I suppose so) to reveal my name

Maybe its a time to claim names? Maybe THAT is the clue the host promises us?
My name is Vito Fettuccino.
2. I googled Makrells name after your post. Would you even think, that Orechietto is kind of pasta???? I was not. I was thinking it is another non-pasta name.
Back to the old vote for now...
unvote; vote: Gaius
I ... googled it. Zitono does not seem to be a pasta

GeneralHankerchief

11-21-2013, 14:45

As an FYI, my laptop charger just exploded and I need to draw out my 70% remaining battery power until Monday. Obviously won't be on much until then. I still think it's Makrell.

Makrell

11-21-2013, 14:49

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orecchiette
http://www.dececco.it/EN/semolina-pasta/traditional-range/long-shapes/zitone-19/?Prodotto=100

Makrell

11-21-2013, 14:54

Dont think pasta is such great clue. guess everyone has pasta names, or they could just make up a name.

Riedquat

11-21-2013, 15:15

Thanks jarema, added your to the list.

GH, everything explodes in your face lately, no? And still we don't know your name, at least generate one to content me! Would you? :stare:

OOC: Hope you are ok, those things are lethal! ;)

IOC:....

Orichietti are little ears, we have those here too! And its zitoni, Zitono seems to be a location in Congo!

There were a couple of us without pasta names, Romano and Sampietro like example.

Riedquat

11-21-2013, 15:26

Dont think pasta is such great clue. guess everyone has pasta names, or they could just make up a name.

FoS El Barto! It must be in the names! Not only this is an italian themed mafia, it has clues... again FoS El Barto!! What clues have we? The bloody names, that is all we got! Perhaps, we are (I am) dumb as bricks but we (I) can't see any other clue! And something else, to El Barto, this is easy to get.... the clues, the game mechanic, everything...

Jarema

11-21-2013, 17:15

Yeah, the names have to be the cues.

El Barto

11-21-2013, 17:52

What is this I don't even

I'm the host, therefore I can't be the mafia, therefore you can't FoS me.

Darth Feather

11-21-2013, 17:58

Edit: never mind: stupid

Darth Feather

11-21-2013, 18:05

My name is Carlo Farfalle

I am torn between voting for GH and Makrell.
Makrell is making a great job of blending in with the crowd.
GH's story seems a little far-fetched, even though it might be true

Also vote: Riedquat, if he tells who he is going to block.

GeneralHankerchief

11-21-2013, 19:15

GH's story seems a little far-fetched, even though it might be true

Fantastic commitment there, really putting yourself out there.

Also, just to satisfy Riedquat, I'm Alberto Raviolo. No, I'm not looking into the names at all, I think it's a huge waste of time. Let's focus on thinking like the mafia and analyzing thread actions please.

If anybody wants to talk to me I'll probably be on for like another 10 minutes before I shut down again.

Riedquat

11-21-2013, 19:18

Gah... forum keeps eating my replies! I'm getting tired of writing same stuff over and over..

Anyway, for third time, thanks for your name butterfly!

And for third time, I don't want the bloody thing!!!

And for first time... what if... GH says the truth? Or what he understands of how the veggies work... what if there is a compatibility thing between the veggies and we as pasta people? The veggies worked with Zack, but didn't with Makrell...

Makrell

11-21-2013, 19:40

And for first time... what if... GH says the truth? Or what he understands of how the veggies work... what if there is a compatibility thing between the veggies and we as pasta people? The veggies worked with Zack, but didn't with Makrell...
Might be, that would imply zack was blocked as mafia, then reclined to kill tonight?

Riedquat

11-21-2013, 19:56

Might be, that would imply zack was blocked as mafia, then reclined to kill tonight?

The other way, he was vegetable compatible while you don't... :/

Honestly, to me it is between you and GH and yet I can't make my mind!

Darth Feather

11-21-2013, 20:14

OK, I made up my mind Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Please be scum, general. :lost:

Makrell

11-21-2013, 22:20

The other way, he was vegetable compatible while you don't... :/

Honestly, to me it is between you and GH and yet I can't make my mind!
Maybe he is vegetable compatible, becasue he is a veggie, and not pasta. You cant know the effects.

Riedquat

11-22-2013, 00:59

gh 3 makrell, gsc, df
Makrell 1 gh
Gsc 1 jarema

I think both scum are voting same person and very logic, obviously! My vote is worthless at the moment, so just as mental exercise lets say:

They are makrell and gaius or makrell and df? or gaius and df? For some odd reason, I've this inner fear telling me it was df all the time, if he was, congratulations, very well played, we can't do anything, except lynch his partner if one of the other three comes by at time, the thing is who is who, it is Makrell or it is Gaius? (Regardless both can be!)

So I will Vote: GSC and Vote: Riedquat because if something change I don't want Makrell with them, whatever they do...

So one of the 3 voting GH is townie, I expect this townie to change his vote for GSC, or of course GH...

LOL... now I got terrible headache because jarema, GSC and Makrell are voting the veggies for Makrell... :dizzy2:

Riedquat

11-22-2013, 01:02

... clarification:

So one of the 3 voting GH is townie, I expect this townie (or GH) to change his vote for GSC...

El Barto

11-22-2013, 02:45

DAY SIX

GeneralHankerchief was lynched.

He was Alberto Raviolo.

GeneralHankerchief: Makrell; GSC; Darth Feather
Makrell: GeneralHankerchief
GSC: Jarema; Riedquat

Abstain: GSC

Bag:
Makrell: Makrell; Jarema; GSC
Riedquat: GeneralHankerchief; Darth Feather

Time remaining for Night Six: .

Dead people who died (11):
Double A - Lorenzo Mostachiolo.
dcmort93 - Donato Conchiglio.
Askthepizzaguy - Anthony Sampietro.
BSmith - Marco Romano.
issaikhaan - Stefano Tagliolini.
Zain - Michele Bucatino.
a completely inoffensive name - Frederico delle Fusilli e Penne.
Montmorency - Maurizio Trenette.
Lux - Dante Pappardello.
Zack - Sandro Rigatti.
GeneralHankerchief - Alberto Raviolo.

Living players who are alive (5):
Darth Feather
Riedquat
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Jarrema
Makrell

Riedquat

11-22-2013, 04:15

Makrell: Makrell; Jarema; GSC
Riedquat: GeneralHankerchief; Darth Feather

:inquisitive: I voted the bag I didn't want to myself too... :inquisitive:

El Barto

11-22-2013, 04:47

Oh sheesh I made a doodoo. :stupido:

Voting for the bag continues throughout the night. Sudden death! Whoever breaks the tie first decides the vote.

Makrell: Makrell; Jarema; GSC
Kumquat: GeneralHankerchief; Darth Feather; Kumquat

Jarema

11-22-2013, 08:19

great!
now we know for 100% that Alberto Raviolo (aka GeneralHankerchief) was a scum.
We can analyse a lot now

Makrell

11-22-2013, 08:37

Vote: Riedquat

We will probably see another kill tonight unless you point it right, so use it wisely

Darth Feather

11-22-2013, 10:39

Vote: Riedquat

We will probably see another kill tonight unless you point it right, so use it wisely

But should we believe anything GH told us?

Jarema

11-22-2013, 11:47

But should we believe anything GH told us?

definitely no

Makrell

11-22-2013, 12:33

But should we believe anything GH told us?

Good point. But i dont see why he would want it 2 nights unless it had a meaning.

Riedquat

11-22-2013, 13:20

I'm confusingly perplexed...

Edit: I assume I have the bag due Makrell's vote, but I'm awaiting El Barto's clarification about what I'm supposed to do with it.

And please, stop telling me use it wisely! I'm feeling like a monkey with an Ak-47 right now... I've more doubts about everything than yesterday...

Edit 2: Night ended, and still didn't had any notice from our host, earlier I had to leave so I submitted a batch of possible orders with the veggies, depending of what they were supposed to do, but of course I don't know if El Barto is going to consider them valid.

El Barto

11-24-2013, 20:52

I'm sorry, everyone, I was unexpectedly left Internetless for three days. So, as of five mintues ago, I'm working on a pile of leftover emails, etc.

Zack

11-24-2013, 21:09

I'm sorry, everyone, I was unexpectedly left Internetless for three days. So, as of five mintues ago, I'm working on a pile of leftover emails, etc.
No worries. Your writeups are always so lengthy and involved, I'm sure they take up a lot of time.

:creep:

El Barto

11-24-2013, 21:35

Cats fall. Zack dies.

(I'll do the update at the regular time tonight, between 9 to 10 P.M. Greenwich time -3, may the horse be with you).

Jarema

11-24-2013, 21:47

Your writeups are always so lengthy and involved

Cats fall. Zack dies.

lol

El Barto

11-24-2013, 23:20

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Everyonedies_6136.jpg

Zack

11-24-2013, 23:51

http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/Everyonedies_6136.jpg
If anyone is wondering, this is the picture Takhisis hotlinked to:

https://i.imgur.com/6wPcV8q.jpg

El Barto

11-24-2013, 23:54

Stop the spam, you. I'm doing the update.

El Barto

11-25-2013, 00:14

NIGHT SIX

Makrell was found dead.

He was Santino Orecchietto.

Bag issue:

Makrell: Makrell; Jarema; GSC (3)
Riedquat: GeneralHankerchief; Darth Feather; Riedquat (3)
Tiebreaker vote: Makrell, in favour of Riedquat

LYNCH OR LOSE.

Vote for the bag in Green.

Time remaining for Day Seven: .

Dead people who died (12):
Double A - Lorenzo Mostachiolo.
dcmort93 - Donato Conchiglio.
Askthepizzaguy - Anthony Sampietro.
BSmith - Marco Romano.
issaikhaan - Stefano Tagliolini.
Zain - Michele Bucatino.
a completely inoffensive name - Frederico delle Fusilli e Penne.
Montmorency - Maurizio Trenette.
Lux - Dante Pappardello.
Zack - Sandro Rigatti.
GeneralHankerchief - Alberto Raviolo.
Makrell - Santino Orecchietto.

Living players who are alive (4):
Darth Feather
Riedquat
Gaius Scribonius Curio
Jarrema

Jarema

11-25-2013, 12:54

Riedquat, please tell us about the bag

Riedquat

11-25-2013, 20:00

Riedquat, please tell us about the bag

The bloody thing isn't for townie usage, the smell of the cooked veggies made me sick, El Barto's result pm states I threw the bag away when I recovered myself a bit, it isn't clear what the purpose of the bag is, I submitted like six different orders in same pm, the result only says I tried to cook the thing...

Very similar to what GH said in his second try... if GH was scum I don't know what to make of it...

Darth Feather

11-25-2013, 22:49

Vote: Riedquat

you didn't vote for GH for starters, next you tried to urge a townie to vote for GSC, unvoting GH. That seems like rather scummy behaviour.

Gaius Scribonius Curio

11-26-2013, 00:43

If Riedquat is telling the truth, and he seems to be, regarding the vegetables, it seems that we might be getting somewhere.

He says that he was notified that he tried to cook them, and felt ill and disposed of them: as he notes, similar to GH. We know that GH was a mafiosi, otherwise the game would be over: we know that while GH had the vegetables, there were no kills. The fact that cooking the vegetables causes sickness suggests that they are incapacitating: the vegetables could act as a role-blocker. In other words, the person who has the vegetables cannot undertake night actions.

Now in the case of townies, this would have no effect, but for the mafia this would be crippling. The fact that Makrell was killed while Riedquat had the vegetables demonstrates the latter's innocence.

I think that Jarema's vote for me yesterday was somewhat deceptive: Zitoni is indeed a type of pasta (all the names ending in 'o' are singular as opposed to the normal 'i' plural); what he seemed to be doing was drawing attention away from GH.

Vote: Jarema
Vote: Jarema: just in case.

Riedquat

11-26-2013, 01:51

Vote: Riedquat

you didn't vote for GH for starters, next you tried to urge a townie to vote for GSC, unvoting GH. That seems like rather scummy behaviour.

Indeed, that is what I did, and I still think there was something strange in that voting phase, for me, the two scums voting together could easily avoid the lynch... but they didn't.

If Riedquat is telling the truth, and he seems to be, regarding the vegetables, it seems that we might be getting somewhere.

He says that he was notified that he tried to cook them, and felt ill and disposed of them: as he notes, similar to GH. We know that GH was a mafiosi, otherwise the game would be over: we know that while GH had the vegetables, there were no kills. The fact that cooking the vegetables causes sickness suggests that they are incapacitating: the vegetables could act as a role-blocker. In other words, the person who has the vegetables cannot undertake night actions.

Now in the case of townies, this would have no effect, but for the mafia this would be crippling. The fact that Makrell was killed while Riedquat had the vegetables demonstrates the latter's innocence.

I think that Jarema's vote for me yesterday was somewhat deceptive: Zitoni is indeed a type of pasta (all the names ending in 'o' are singular as opposed to the normal 'i' plural); what he seemed to be doing was drawing attention away from GH.

Vote: Jarema
Vote: Jarema: just in case.

There are a couple of odd things with this, why GH wanted the veggies a second time after he claimed to roleblock zack?
Second thing is, I clear myself if what I said is true, of course it is, but how do you know? I know, I'm biting hte hand defending me... but I keep being confused!

Gaius Scribonius Curio

11-26-2013, 03:32

I could not really comment on why GH would want them again. The only thing which I could suggest is maybe that it was originally unclear as to what the effect actually was. Certainly your response (I don't know what happened except the cryptic response of El Barto) is understandable: even if the vegetables functioned as a role-blocker, perhaps it was unclear. That he claimed to have role-blocked Zack, an explanation of the lack of kill, given that it was public knowledge that he had the vegetables.

To clarify: I do not know whether you are telling the truth, but it fits with my theory regarding the role of the vegetables within the game.

Riedquat

11-26-2013, 03:41

"GeneralHankerchief was lynched.

He was Alberto Raviolo.

GeneralHankerchief: Makrell; GSC; Darth Feather
Makrell: GeneralHankerchief
GSC: Jarema; Riedquat

Abstain: GSC*

Bag:
Makrell: Makrell; Jarema; GSC
Riedquat: GeneralHankerchief; Darth Feather"

*:inquisitive: Just noticed this

But I'm just reposting this to understand that phase, GH is mafia and who else?
I was in doubt about my vote between Makrell and GH, GH voted for Makrell and didn't moved his vote, same with Makrell who voted for GH, jarema voted GH (if I'm not mistaken) Makrell and GSC. GSC decided for GH, DF made up his mind and finally voted for GH.
My vote at that stage wasn't going to change anything, but I thought if there were two scum they were going to vote together... obviously my reasoning was faulty... but still there is something odd there.

Makrell is dead so wasn't him, DF and GSC voted for the scum, is possible one of them being mafia and bussing his partner but why? just placing a vote on Makrell/GSC would lead to a tie, I guess GSC is right, the thing is between jarema and myself... or my reasoning is faulty again? :wall:

Gaius Scribonius Curio

11-26-2013, 03:51

You've convinced me, but that might just be confirmation bias.

As clarification I originally voted abstain, to register my presence, and having read the thread voted for GH. I am not sure why I appear twice on the summary... (in fact, I never noticed).

Jarema

11-26-2013, 09:54

I suspect vote: Riedquat most

Darth Feather

11-26-2013, 12:02

unvote: vote: Jarema

Gaius makes sense. Maybe GH got blocked two nights in a row, preventing mafia kill.
That would totally clear Riedquat.

Riedquat

11-26-2013, 13:49

I suspect vote: Riedquat most

You, specially you jarema must admit if I'm scum I will come with a better story about what I made or what the veggies made, than, repeat same nonsense GH said! When the truth is unbelievable you know I can lie till I convert it in an amazing fantasy...

unvote: vote: Jarema

Gaius makes sense. Maybe GH got blocked two nights in a row, preventing mafia kill.
That would totally clear Riedquat.

I'm not entirely convinced with what Gaius said, it partly makes sense but if there are two scums, why the other didn't kill, lets suppose the killing was only carried by GH, then why wanting the veggies twice in a row? Knowing after first usage they were useless? Other thing, jarema put us on track about how many scum were left, we were thinking about 3... why on earth would you do that if you are mafia? :inquisitive:

I just want to be sure we aren't falling in a big bear trap...

Jarema

11-26-2013, 14:32

You, specially you jarema must admit if I'm scum I will come with a better story about what I made or what the veggies made, than, repeat same nonsense GH said! When the truth is unbelievable you know I can lie till I convert it in an amazing fantasy...

well. I know I am innocent (well, you do not know it for sure, but I do...)
And you are the only person besides me who didnt vote for GH. I do not think too much about your story, I think bag is more of a distraction than help for us at this moment

El Barto

11-26-2013, 15:05

Tally:

Riedquat: Jarrema;
Jarema: Gaius Scribonius Curio; Darth Feather

Bag:
Jarema: Gaius Scribonius Curio

Jarema

11-26-2013, 16:09

not good, guys. Not good

Riedquat

11-26-2013, 16:12

Riedquat, please tell us about the bag

well. I know I am innocent (well, you do not know it for sure, but I do...)
And you are the only person besides me who didnt vote for GH. I do not think too much about your story, I think bag is more of a distraction than help for us at this moment

Really now? :rolleyes:

I'm confusingly perplexed...

Edit: I assume I have the bag due Makrell's vote, but I'm awaiting El Barto's clarification about what I'm supposed to do with it.

And please, stop telling me use it wisely! I'm feeling like a monkey with an Ak-47 right now... I've more doubts about everything than yesterday...

Edit 2: Night ended, and still didn't had any notice from our host, earlier I had to leave so I submitted a batch of possible orders with the veggies, depending of what they were supposed to do, but of course I don't know if El Barto is going to consider them valid.

Do you think I would be so transparent about what was going on if I was mafia?

Vote: jarema

If you aren't we are already doomed!

Riedquat

11-26-2013, 16:23

not good, guys. Not good

I know... something is not quite right... unvote

Riedquat

11-26-2013, 16:46

Jarema

11-26-2013, 18:17

bold move, but not unlikely.
unvote; vote: GSC

Darth Feather

11-26-2013, 18:31

So with only 10 minutes to spare you try a saving throw, to get a tie. That is scummy.

FoS: Jarema

El Barto

11-26-2013, 18:35

We have a tied vote.

Jarema: Gaius Scribonius Curio; Darth Feather;
Gaius Scribonius Curio: Riedquat; Jarema

Bag:
Jarema: Gaius Scribonius Curio

8-hour extension!

Time remaining for Day Seven: .

Riedquat

11-26-2013, 18:37

So with only 10 minutes to spare you try a saving throw, to get a tie. That is scummy.

FoS: Jarema

If we had another round I would agree, but if he dies as town, its game over for everybody!

Darth Feather

11-26-2013, 18:51

If we had another round I would agree, but if he dies as town, its game over for everybody!

But if he is mafia, it will be game over as soon as we don't lych him. (wait, that doesn't sound right grammatically)

Gaius Scribonius Curio

11-26-2013, 21:04

Ok, going back to the beginning, if the mafia didn't miss two kills this game would be over, what had GH different to anyone else so far? He was stuffed pasta! So again, here I am with a big what if...
Why the lack of kills? because the killer was inactive, what better way to avoid suspicion over himself than voting his partner?

Vote: GSC

Ok, logical, so far as it goes, but there is a key problem. In the majority of games in which I have been involved, if a mafioso goes AWOL, his/her partner(s) are allowed to submit the kill. If the the mafiosi forget, or miss the deadline: too bad; but when the mandated killer does not post at all, contingency plans are in place. We know that GH was mafia and active during that period.

As you mention, if there had been kills, the game would be over. The only explanation is that the mafia were somehow prevented from killing. What is the key difference between when there were kills and weren''t: GH had the vegetables. Moreover, why are the vegetables included in the game otherwise? Chekov's gun suggests that they have a purpose. If there is no apparent utility to them, and yet the mafia did not kill when a known mafioso had them...

That leaves an explanation for GH using them twice: think back to your confusion, what did they do? How do they work? It is not such a stretch to imagine that GH thought that he had misused them, or thought that repeated uses might yield different results...

Not the most compelling argument, I admit, but it is the most logical to me. :bow:

Riedquat

11-26-2013, 21:13

If you want to lynch jarema, convince me about him, why he didn't kill? to put us in this situation? It doesn't make sense! Where are the clues our host mentioned if they aren't our names? Jarema was one of the first ones to reveal his name, his could be a wild guess but due to the fact no other fetuccini has appeared, he said the truth... Isn't the easier explanation of the lack of kill the inactivity of TLD?

Gaius Scribonius Curio

11-26-2013, 21:23

My theory (I thought this was clear), is that if one mafioso has the the vegetables, all the mafiosi are prevented from killing that night: otherwise, the mechanic would be meaningless. The point is compulsion is more likely than inactivity because inactivity can be worked around...

Edit: with regard to the names, and your supposition regarding 'stuffed' and 'non-stuffed': its interesting, but unhelpful. Having glanced at the list, there are no other 'stuffed' varieties. That Jarema was the first to pronounce his 'name' does not clear him. What better way to subvert the naming system than by claiming an inconspicuous name early?

The names might well be 'clues', but the vegetables also have to be part of it. For this to be the case, they must have a meaningful effect, and the only logical explanation offered for their purpose within the context of the game is my own. I am open to other suggestions, but right now the only logical explanation is that they blocked the mafia from killing on two nights...

Askthepizzaguy

11-26-2013, 21:26

We have a tied vote.
Jarema: Gaius Scribonius Curio; Darth Feather;
Gaius Scribonius Curio: Riedquat; Jarema

Bag:
Jarema: Gaius Scribonius Curio

8-hour extension!

Time remaining for Day Seven: .

Are these the only remaining players?

4 people left?

Tiebreak resolved by the players in the time remaining, or No Lynch.

Riedquat

11-26-2013, 21:26

Ok, logical, so far as it goes, but there is a key problem. In the majority of games in which I have been involved, if a mafioso goes AWOL, his/her partner(s) are allowed to submit the kill. If the the mafiosi forget, or miss the deadline: too bad; but when the mandated killer does not post at all, contingency plans are in place. We know that GH was mafia and active during that period.

As you mention, if there had been kills, the game would be over. The only explanation is that the mafia were somehow prevented from killing. What is the key difference between when there were kills and weren''t: GH had the vegetables. Moreover, why are the vegetables included in the game otherwise? Chekov's gun suggests that they have a purpose. If there is no apparent utility to them, and yet the mafia did not kill when a known mafioso had them...

That leaves an explanation for GH using them twice: think back to your confusion, what did they do? How do they work? It is not such a stretch to imagine that GH thought that he had misused them, or thought that repeated uses might yield different results...

Not the most compelling argument, I admit, but it is the most logical to me. :bow:

Not in every game you are allowed to submit orders for your partner, jarema's game at cfc comes to mind in that respect, were choxorn and me couldn't send orders for our missing partner... so it depends... of the host and the game layout.

You should be a lawyer... I'm confused!!! Gah!

Unvote; vote: jarema if we lost, couldn't see a way to win, if we won, we doens't include me... gah!

Riedquat

11-26-2013, 21:28

Are these the only remaining players?

4 people left?

Yeap...

Jarema

11-26-2013, 21:36

:bow:

Riedquat

11-26-2013, 21:47

:bow:

I feel like a ping pong ball!

El Barto

11-27-2013, 03:27

DAY SEVEN - ENDGAME

Jarema was lynched. He was Vito Fettuccino.
Then the mafia calmly turned around and killed Riedquat. No kumquat jam for you!
He was Marco delle Tagliatelli.

The stuffing-less people had been driven out of town. Stuffed pasta would reign supreme.

MAFIA VICTORY

Dead people who died (12):
Double A - Lorenzo Mostachiolo.
dcmort93 - Donato Conchiglio.
Askthepizzaguy - Anthony Sampietro.
BSmith - Marco Romano.
issaikhaan - Stefano Tagliolini.
Zain - Michele Bucatino.
a completely inoffensive name - Frederico delle Fusilli e Penne.
Montmorency - Maurizio Trenette.
Lux - Dante Pappardello.
Zack - Sandro Rigatti.
GeneralHankerchief - Alberto Raviolo.
Makrell - Santino Orecchietto.
Jarrrrema - Vito Fettuccino.
Riedquat -Marco delle Tagliatelli

Living players who are alive (2):
Darth Feather - Carlo Sorrentino.
Gaius Scribonius Curio - Mauro delle Cappelletti.

Riedquat

11-27-2013, 03:52

Lol! They were 3 jarema! Well played DF, and you GSC are wonderful! :bow:

Now Bartito, tell me how on earth this was easy to get? :laugh4:

El Barto

11-27-2013, 03:59

Mafia:
General Hankerchief - Signor Alberto Raviolo.
TheLastDays - Signor Mauro delle Cappelletti.
Darth Feather - Signor Carlo Sorrentino.

Survivors:
Askthepizzaguy - Anthony Sampietro
BSmith - Marco Romano

Innocents:
Zaccino - Sandro Rigatti
Riedquat - Marco delle Tagliatelli
Double A - Lorenzo Mostachiolo
Montmorency - Maurizio Trenette
Jarrema - Vito Fettuccino
Zain - Michele Bucatino
Makrell - Santino Orecchietto
a completely innocent name - Frederico delle fusilli e penne (original bag carrier)
Lux - Dante Pappardello
issaikhaan - Stefano Tagliolini
dcmort93 - Donato Conchiglio

GeneralHankerchief

11-27-2013, 04:11

Gaius Scribonius Curio

11-27-2013, 04:24

Thanks to El Barto for an entertaining game, especially for subbing me back in after RL forced me out to begin with.

Thanks, and big 'well-played' to Darth Feather, GeneralHankerchief, and TheLastDays for putting the team in a position where I did not really have to much.

Finally, thanks to everyone else for playing, especially Riedquat for being so obliging... :bow:

Zack

11-27-2013, 07:28

Not a fan of games with no reveals, but good game nonetheless.

Askthepizzaguy

11-27-2013, 08:45

So, how did spending time getting rid of the two survivors work out for town?

Just wondering.

Jarema

11-27-2013, 10:06

lol

good game mafia.

@ El Barto: well, the clues you gave us... hard to read :D

Visor

11-27-2013, 10:17

Even if one of DF or GSC was town, lynching Jarema isn't the smartest move. He almost always survives to lylo, because his townie game is weaker then his mafia game, which is easy to spot, because he puts in far more effort into the mafia game.

If Jarema's defence consists of very little, it is very likely that he is town.

I mean, it doesn't matter in this situation, but in future, Jarema has very clear town and scum tells.

Jarema

11-27-2013, 12:42

Darth Feather

11-27-2013, 12:59

Thanks El Barto for your enjoyable game

Also I would like to thank my scumbuddy's TLD, GH and GSC

Also:

Ok, going back to the beginning, if the mafia didn't miss two kills this game would be over, what had GH different to anyone else so far? He was stuffed pasta! So again, here I am with a big what if...
Why the lack of kills? because the killer was inactive, what better way to avoid suspicion over himself than voting his partner?

Vote: GSC

Great guesswork.:shocked: Even with only one mafia dead you guessed the clue in the mafia teamname. If we had full namereveals early-on, you would probably have found out the scumbags.

Makrell

11-27-2013, 13:02

GOOD GAME

Seems lack of curiosity killed the town.

Riedquat

11-27-2013, 14:13

Woohoo! Stuffed pasta reigns supreme. :smg:

Riedquat, to answer your question, as soon as we realized the bag blocked whoever held onto it, we were going to have to do some maneuvering. Feather came up with the idea to frame Zack, I decided to sacrifice a second night's kill to take the bag again in order to basically sow confusion (and judging by your last few posts, it worked :laugh4:). At the same time, we decided to play the lynch phase by ear, basically dependent on which way you swung. The goal was to basically make Feather's and Curio's votes on me early and decisive and, if need be, they would have flipped had you gone for Makrell. In the end, there was enough separation that went on to cruise to victory this last round.

Mafia QT:
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/PLnAL3QMiAwV3

Well played everyone, especially my stuffed pasta buddies Darth Feather and Gaius Scribonius Curio, with a special tip of the hat to TLD for his steady hand in the beginning before he went inactive. Couldn't have asked for a better team. :bow:

Thanks for hosting El Barto!

Great plan, but you just could win the same phase you got lynched, of course a great move, but necessary? Or was just to enjoy torturing our weak minds? :)

Thanks to El Barto for an entertaining game, especially for subbing me back in after RL forced me out to begin with.

Thanks, and big 'well-played' to Darth Feather, GeneralHankerchief, and TheLastDays for putting the team in a position where I did not really have to much.

Finally, thanks to everyone else for playing, especially Riedquat for being so obliging... :bow:

Again, you should be a lawyer... or I need to learn to not pay enough attention when you talk! ;)

lol

good game mafia.

@ El Barto: well, the clues you gave us... hard to read :D

What clues? You got some clues from him? :laugh4:

yeah, I promise I will try to defend myself more as a town :rolleyes:
(really)

More yet if my paranoia is around! ;)

Great guesswork.:shocked: Even with only one mafia dead you guessed the clue in the mafia teamname. If we had full namereveals early-on, you would probably have found out the scumbags.

I got an unintended? clue from El Barto in his result pm to my action with the bag, la bolsa de espinaca...the spinach bag... La mia mamma used to make wonderful ravioli of spinach... sadly it was to late for town...

Great game Barto, thanks for hosting! :bow:

GeneralHankerchief

11-27-2013, 15:31

Great plan, but you just could win the same phase you got lynched, of course a great move, but necessary? Or was just to enjoy torturing our weak minds? :)

We didn't want to gamble everything on me surviving that round. I've witnessed enough endgame collapses in my own Mafia series to know that these things are very perilous. It was a lot closer-run than you think, and I think my counterparts can back me up on this.

El Barto

11-27-2013, 16:28

Not a fan of games with no reveals, but good game nonetheless.
The reveals were right there, I simply made them hard to find:

@ El Barto: well, the clues you gave us... hard to read :D
It was really odd noticing that no one tried to look up the surnames. The pasta pattern should've been readable.

The bag was actually a lot of marijuana.

Great guesswork.:shocked: Even with only one mafia dead you guessed the clue in the mafia teamname. If we had full namereveals early-on, you would probably have found out the scumbags.I got an unintended? clue from El Barto in his result pm to my action with the bag, la bolsa de espinaca...the spinach bag... La mia mamma used to make wonderful ravioli of spinach... sadly it was to late for town...

Great game Barto, thanks for hosting! :bow:
I know that kumquat eats, or should eat, a wide variety of pasta. And no i never said anything about any spinach.
kumquat did send me some hilarious orders while I was offline:

Che todavia no se como funca esto y en un par de horas me piro y no voy a tener tiempo de nada.

Asi que, dependiendo de lo que sean los vegetales estos te paso ordenes?

Si es para bloquear, a Makrell!
Si es para investigar, a Jarema!
Si es para convertirme en canelon? Dale pa delante y me convierto en canelon! (mafia=canelon)
Si es para proteger, tambien a mi!
Si es para matar, hace cagar a DF...
Si no hace nada o tengo que cocinarlos para ver que onda, los cocinamos!
Y si llega a ser alguna otra cosa, no se, random org y a la mierda!

'Hey, I still don't know whow this works and in a couple hours I'm taking off and won't have time to do anything.

So, depending on what these vegetables are, I'll send you some orders?

If it's for blocking: Makrell!
If it's to investigate: Jarema!
If it turns me into a cannellono: Full speed ahead and I'll turn into a cannellono! (mafia=cannelloni)
If it's for protection, also me!
If it's for killing, make DF bit the dust…
If it doesn't do anything or I have to cook to see what's up, let's cook it!
And if it's something else, I don't know, random.org and to hell with it!'