View Full Version : Not your father's Golden Horde (post-patch)!!!
Heck, the Mongols post-patch are a terrible force - they are a mile wide but not very deep. I played with the cheat code that allows you to see the entire map. In 1220 the Horde came in - and with a bang. 10 stacks in one region, 20(!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif in another. I don't see how any one can stop them.
However, if they play like other factions, these huge numbers get to be a disadvantage. This unless they conquer a whole lot of provinces fast, they don't have enough income to cover their troop costs - so they can't build new units or upgrade any captured provinces - so they stagnate. The Horde has to walk the fine line of expanding enough so that they can get into some sort of economic balance, yet not overexpanding such that rebellions spring up or they get overextended. It sure would be an interesting challenge to play them.
That said, it is very scary to seem such huge numbers. Looks like the Byzantine campaign just got a lot harder - you'll need a stack of at least 10(!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif armies in Georgia to hold them off - and that may not be enough. I saw them march through Asia Minor and take Constantinople last game. But I am curious as to why they focused more on Russia rather than the richer Egyptian provinces.
Grifman
Isnt it 1230 they invade europe?
Somewhere around there - the date is variable in the game.
Grifman
LordKhaine
11-10-2002, 21:45
Game I recently started... they took most of russia and went down almost as far as the south edge. When they finally ran out of steam Egypt took most of that land back. Golden Horde is still alive though... which is a great improvement over pre-patch http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
RabidMonkey
11-11-2002, 01:04
Quote[/b] (Grifman @ Nov. 10 2002,13:08)] But I am curious as to why they focused more on Russia rather than the richer Egyptian provinces.
Grifman
Historicly the mongols subjugated russia first before moving west so maybe they have actually made this happen in the game. The first and only time Russia was conquered during the winter
Which is the cheat for showing the map?
Type what is in the quotes: ".matteosartori." on the strat map.
Grifman
PS I don't know what happened, but the Russians came back from almost impossible odds and trounced the Horde, wiping them out. It was really interesting - at one point the Russians were down to only two provinces - guess the Horde got overextended - seems lots of rebellions hurt them.
Soapyfrog
11-11-2002, 16:58
Yup, new horde is pretty terrifying... MOST importantly, now they get a bunch of decent comand leaders
Orda Khan
11-11-2002, 21:02
Quote[/b] (Xer0 @ Nov. 10 2002,13:13)]Isnt it 1230 they invade europe?
1221 Subedei and Jebei embarked on their reconnaisance in force around the Caspian Sea, destroying allcomers. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
1237 Batu, with Subedei as commander-in-chief begins campaign that conquered Russia
hehe What if you pay them lots of tribute, to help their cause so to speak?
.........Orda
Kongamato
11-11-2002, 21:14
Remember the old "Florinomics" thread? It would appear that the reasons described in that thread would explain the Horde running out of steam. Take a look if you have the time.
There is also the thread about the guy who edited the files and gave the Horde a whopping amount of Florins, and watched them steamroll into central Europe.
war_blah
11-11-2002, 22:31
I killed them on the first turn(1231), with a rank 9 general and 3500 troops, took me 3 try though.(and 8 hours!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Screenshot Here (http://www.msu.edu/user/yuxinyua/Mongols.JPG)
war_blah
11-11-2002, 22:31
I killed them on the first turn(1231), with a rank 9 general and 3500 troops, took me 3 try though.(and 8 hours!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Screenshot Here (http://www.msu.edu/user/yuxinyua/Mongols.JPG)
as england:they came and destroyed my army in lithuania((had no freindly neighboors there), so i took a couple stacks of billmen, halbred, CMAA and Cknights and sent theem to keiv. anything attacking from the west will meet that river and get stoped. this forces the horde to move against the norvgoods, then poland and hungary before i am in jeapordy. i have to say that using the horde to destroy my enimies is great for waiting until late period so i can get the pikes.
Ok, I've played as the HRE, hard difficulty, and the Mongols were a horde like I said, easily over 20 stacks. So I thought, let's give the Russians a try, hard and let's see what happens.
The question I have - has anyone noticed this - when playing the Russians, the Horde had less than 10 stacks Are they tones down for me if I play the Russians? I was interested in trying to survive the Horde, but I was expecting 20 stacks of armies, not less than 10. Has anyone else seen this - can any developers explain the horde if you play the Russians? Thanks.
Grifman
hmm, the golden horde post patch... ill have to see this :-)
Lord Romulous
11-12-2002, 01:12
Quote[/b] (war_blah @ Nov. 11 2002,15:31)]
Quote[/b] ]I killed them on the first turn(1231), with a rank 9 general and 3500 troops, took me 3 try though.(and 8 hours!http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
Screenshot Here (http://www.msu.edu/user/yuxinyua/Mongols.JPG)
that is a very cool screenshot. the carrion and wild dogs will be very busy after that slaughter.
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