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LeftEyeNine
03-21-2014, 10:10
Twitter is banned in Turkey as of last night.
I can not give any sources since I am at work and all news websites are blocked.
Hello, 3rd world.
Fisherking
03-21-2014, 10:56
:daisy:
Sarmatian
03-21-2014, 12:07
What's Erdogan's support nowadays?
ICantSpellDawg
03-21-2014, 13:16
Abdullah Gul has even gone on record opposing this move. Is this the begining of the end for Erdogan?
What's Erdogan's support nowadays?
Eh, I got the impression that the support for Erdogan stems mostly from the rural population as well as the urban disenfranchised. LEN can fill you in on more about that I think.
The elections are coming. I wonder if Erdogan gets the boot.
They revealed some tapped phone calls via Twitter, which discredited Erdogan. Hence the blocking of the site. Mind you, I have no idea who "they" are.
Freemasons, Communists, and Jews (http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_email.cfm/blog_id/7742).
Freemasons, Communists, and Jews (http://www.newenglishreview.org/blog_email.cfm/blog_id/7742).
Those guys are always so busy, when do they have time to relax and enjoy their ill-gotten gains!
Normally I would say blocking Twitter is not necessarily a bad thing on general principle. But petty censorship isn't really a reason to do so and might backfire.
My dad just sent me this:
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Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
03-22-2014, 01:01
Twitter is banned in Turkey as of last night.
I can not give any sources since I am at work and all news websites are blocked.
Hello, 3rd world.
We heard.
If it makes you feel any better, this would probably be top of the news if it weren't for Ukraine and that Jet.
and the Jet doesn't really deserve it.
Strike For The South
03-22-2014, 18:33
I would express sympathy but the US cut down some pretty old oak trees back in 1924, so I have to keep my mouth shut
Kadagar_AV
03-22-2014, 22:00
Hmm, I don't quite get it?
WHY was twitter banned?
Hmm, I don't quite get it?
WHY was twitter banned?
Censoring freedom of speech. Like how it is banned in China and Iran.
Kadagar_AV
03-23-2014, 00:42
Censoring freedom of speech. Like how it is banned in China and Iran.
So the Turkish government went "We are gonna limit freedom of speach!!"
Even China blames it on protecting the children and stuff...
Beautiful country, great people, nasty undercurrents.
Sarmatian
03-23-2014, 10:35
So the Turkish government went "We are gonna limit freedom of speach!!"
Even China blames it on protecting the children and stuff...
Officially, it is because people use twitter to spread slander and lies, and perform character assassination of innocent Turkish officials. Turkish court ordered some "content" be removed/blocked and since twitter didn't comply, they banned it.
Ahh, Turkey, our NATO ally against Putin's Dictatorship... Can't wait to see our friends Fisherking, ACIN, PVC and RVG on this one. Remember, freedom of speech, corruption, flawed elections ...
So, the Muslim Democratic Party...
Fisherking
03-23-2014, 14:53
Ahh, Turkey, our NATO ally against Putin's Dictatorship... Can't wait to see our friends Fisherking, ACIN, PVC and RVG on this one. Remember, freedom of speech, corruption, flawed elections ...
So, the Muslim Democratic Party...
Obviously you miss a lot. I am not pro NATO, Pro EU, or Pro US Government in its current incarnation. I am strongly opposed to the limitation of individual rights and liberties by any government. I think that most foreign policy by most governments comes down to money and who gets it.
My only other comment in this thread has been :daisy:
So, have another :daisy:
Major Robert Dump
03-23-2014, 18:58
I wish the whole world would ban Twitter.
Turkey sure is taking this Alec Baldwin thing personally
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
03-23-2014, 22:08
Ahh, Turkey, our NATO ally against Putin's Dictatorship... Can't wait to see our friends Fisherking, ACIN, PVC and RVG on this one. Remember, freedom of speech, corruption, flawed elections ...
So, the Muslim Democratic Party...
Putin has serious structural problems, problems with minorities, problems separating an educated Urban elite from an uneducated rural mass.
However, in Turkey's case this is the Prime Minister throwing a hissy fit not even the President agrees with. In fact, he openly mocked the Prime Minister by circumventing the ban!
And not Turkey?
I like the "however"...
LeftEyeNine
03-24-2014, 08:54
Well the thing is Erdogan et al. are modern-er "spin-off" from Necmettin Erbakan's -the pivotal Islamist post-Republic era politician- movement, that's why they were "denounced" by Erbakan long before his death.
The newer movement basically formed around Erdogan, President Abdullah Gül and deputy prime minister Bülent Arınç who were energetic and had a "cause" against secular Kemalism which propelled them even further, however without any real cadre to fill in the breaucratical and technical positions opened up as AKP won the elections as heavily that granting them to be able to found the government by themselves. Therefore, so as to fill such positions of power requiring skills and education, AKP allied with Gulen's "hizmet" movement which is an oddly well-spread (owns "Turk schools" in 150+ countries) and devoted group of well-educated non-West-hater Islamic group led by Fethullah Gülen -a former imam with such a charisma that his words are taken the sole truth by his followers under any circumstances.
However as far as Erdogan's extremely pragmatist world view goes, the marriage came to a silent end in 2012 when judges -considered Gulenists- summoned Hakan Fidan -head of MIT (Turkish secret service) allegedly to have brokered negotiations with PKK in Oslo. The allegations would directly lead to PM himself, so all of a sudden he ordered a bill to be passed which eliminated any possibility of interrogation of MIT employees without the consent of PM.
The cracks of the relationship between the (former) allies became more apparent in the following times. PM is a relentless character so he hit (back) at the Gulenists -known as "Cemaat" here- from their most vulnerable nerve, the private coursehouses (it is a giant business sector since the Turkish education system is based on qualification exams for schools at different grades). He called for the closure of private coursehouses claiming that it was "hurting the education system badly". The reaction was instant and lethal -on 17th of December, four ministers (one of them which was the minister of internal affairs, top responsible for police force) and their sons as well as the director general of Halkbank (state-owned bank) were summoned for trials on allegations of money-laundering, transfer of embargoed Iranian funds, corruption and bribery. The second wave of summonings included Bilal Erdogan, PM's son very deeply involved in various businesses and the front name in the oversized and unaccountable welfare of Erdogan family in recent years. His call-up was prevented via police force (probably ordered to do by himself in person) refusing to comply with the public prosecutor's orders and the huge circulation of police force topping at almost 10.000 policemen followed the "resistance". Because certain policemen and prosecutors were claimed to be under orders/suborned by "parallel state" -a term Erdogan coined for Gulenists integrated into the bureaucratic system.
The harsh measures indeed prevented the trials for some time and after these "measures", 4 ministers quit from the government. Minister of Environment and Urbanizing resigned saying "whatever I did, it was by direct orders and under knowledge of his (PM). He should resign too.". The Gulenist ex- and in-charge-by-then ministers/parliamenters showed themselves one after another, criticizing the management of the party or quitting. PM called them "saltcellars" -a slang used for people who are ineffective by themselves and subordinates.
Consequently, the hitback from the Cemaat was as fierce as it could be -disguised and never openly firing as always though. Lots of legality-disputable technical eavesdropping records that include conversations of PM, his son, former minister of justice, Reza Zarrab (individual claimed to be used in transfer of earnings to Iran), PM's consultants and businessmen were leaked to the internet via certain Twitter accounts such as @haramzadeler, @bascalan etc. The recordings spoke of unparallelled amounts of bribery, clearing of personal funds following December 17 shockwave, pressure and forced self-censorship on certain newspapers and TV channels, illegal/unethical actions against the possibility of trials, vulgarity and even prostitution as a means and so on. Also another Twitter account called as @fuatavni appeared, leaking lots and unbelievable confidential information from PM and his surrounding. This latest account claims 25th of March to be the time for "the peak of the leaks". The leaks called "manipulative" by the government caused PM to rage about internet; he recently told "Twitter or whatever, we will eradicate it" and approved the possibility of banning of Youtube and Facebook following the elections if needed.
So fares the ambience of upcoming local elections to be held on 30th of the month. The tension between the political parties and the society itself is higher than ever. Everyday we watch news of people clashing in the streets either provoking or fighting each other over their political preferences.
There you go, as of yesterday, Turkey made its name into the history by banning Google DNS -a widely used DNS to circumvent the ban. Even VPNs fail from time to time. Banning the internet is not a fantasy for us anymore.
Rhyfelwyr
03-27-2014, 17:33
Seems things are getting worse, now Youtube (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26773702) is about to be blocked. Scary stuff...
Kadagar_AV
03-27-2014, 20:00
Seems things are getting worse, now Youtube (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-26773702) is about to be blocked. Scary stuff...
Ouch!!
Why don't they go ahead and just ban information?
Erdogan is more and more acting like a mad dog. Total freak.
LeftEyeNine
04-02-2014, 14:17
The local elections held on last Sunday are subject to never-seen-before kind of fraud claims, denunciations and requests of recounting. The municipality of Yalova, after recounting, has already swapped parties - from AKP to CHP. And in the capital city of Ankara, following the re-election of formerly 4-time mayor through a 1 percent of vote count difference, the main opposition party, CHP reported a lot of missing vote records and the records have been collected by almost all non-AKP voters, not only pro CHP people and the directorate general premises of the party was awake 24 hours the day before.
It's such a disturbance that we, as civilians, had to organize in 2 biggest cities as "ballot box witnesses" via NGOs which was not enough to count the elections free of any frauds. We had to find vote records, count the votes ourselves, spot inconsistencies, report them and organize gatherings against any intrusions by police force or ministers. (internal affairs minister visited YSK (high commission of elections) at 3.30 after which the current mayor of Ankara closed the gap against the nominee of CHP and "won" the elections by 1 percent)
Not only that, but also three towns of the city of Şanlıurfa, Ceylanpınar, Birecik and Viranşehir made it to the news because of demonstrations by mainly BDP (pro-Kurdish party) officials and voters against the elections that ended in favor of AKP.
We can hardly trust government institutions anymore which, maybe fortunately, triggered an urge for civil organization and actions -not very common with Turkish people.
Fisherking
04-02-2014, 18:19
It is hard to find anything on what is happening there. At least in English.
I did find a piece on RT: http://rt.com/news/turkey-protest-clashes-election-621/
BBC has nothing.
I wonder why the Army is silent. Did the Ergenekon trial really do that much damage to the army's standing?
LeftEyeNine
04-02-2014, 19:40
I wonder why the Army is silent. Did the Ergenekon trial really do that much damage to the army's standing?
Definitely. Many army officials from all ranks most of whom were convicted were released recently before the elections on the hope that the army would stand beside Erdogan in this battle between AKP and Cemaat.
However since most of them were sentenced by planted evidences, none felt grateful enough to stand by him about which Erdogan openly expressed the disappointment later on.
Certain AKP officials told the media that "the army had been framed by Cemaat". One wonders what the government was doing for 7 years while the most speculative trial of the Republic history was being held. One wonders why it was the PM who was screaming "I AM the prosecutor of this case" in 2007.
RTE is simply the worst thing ever happened to Turkey.
Fisherking
04-02-2014, 21:15
It is called high level corruption and voter fraud.
The US just does it a little more discreetly. Like 64% voter turnout and districts reporting 110% voter participation. And no one say a word.
Fisherking
04-02-2014, 21:15
double post
Seamus Fermanagh
04-02-2014, 22:21
It is called high level corruption and voter fraud.
The US just does it a little more discreetly. Like 64% voter turnout and districts reporting 110% voter participation. And no one say a word.
Because serious complaints would involve close scrutiny across the board....and neither of the two parties would benefit.
I remember some political pundits evaluating the election of 1960 saying that Nixon should be praised for not putting the country through political turmoil even though it was obvious that, at a minimum, Cook County (Chicago) had voted the graveyards etc. for Kennedy and that a change in votes there could literally have changed the electoral results.
My dad, a bit more cynically, said Nixon hadn't protested Cook County because then the whole state would have been reviewed and they would have noted the huge Republican graveyard effort down near Cairo. Of course, in that election, my Dad had apparently voted for Kennedy in both PA and NY -- though he only went personally to the polls in NY. He learned about his other vote when he got tapped by Philadelphia for wage taxes. In disputing the claim -- my dad lived in NY at the time and NJ thereafter -- the tax supervisor in Philadelphia told my dad that he had the record of him voting in the election of November 1960 in the Cottman avenue precinct where his parents lived! My dad said he had could both prove he'd voted in NY and that he worked there exclusively at the time for the FAA and queried the tax supervisor as to whether they wanted this issue to go public. Funnily enough my dad received a quit claim from the Phila. revenue office within 3 days....
LeftEyeNine
04-03-2014, 15:59
It's been 2 days since Constitutional Court -highest level of jurisdiction- reached the verdict that banning of Twitter is an "obstruction of civil rights", the verdict's even been published in Official Journal, however the Presidency of Telecommunication (TİB - responsible for the actions on websites) is yet to do anything about it.
In other words, law is simply crippled over here. Public institutions can postpone to care about what jurisdiction decides on because it should first comply with Erdogan's plans. Every official is afraid to make a move -even though it is the right thing to do- for they would not want to attract his wrath.
No wonder why Putin was among the first to congratulate him on the elections victory.
It's been 2 days since Constitutional Court -highest level of jurisdiction- reached the verdict that banning of Twitter is an "obstruction of civil rights", the verdict's even been published in Official Journal, however the Presidency of Telecommunication (TİB - responsible for the actions on websites) is yet to do anything about it.
Erdogan might be channeling Andrew Jackson here...
Sarmatian
04-03-2014, 21:00
It's been 2 days since Constitutional Court -highest level of jurisdiction- reached the verdict that banning of Twitter is an "obstruction of civil rights", the verdict's even been published in Official Journal, however the Presidency of Telecommunication (TİB - responsible for the actions on websites) is yet to do anything about it.
And now it becomes illegal, re: our conversation in another thread.
It's really sad how one idiot can undermine the struggle for a modern state that started almost a 100 years ago. My condolences.
LeftEyeNine
04-04-2014, 08:31
Twitter ban lifted as of yesterday, however tech-savvy users who happened to ping Twitter and Google at the same time found out that it takes ten times as much than getting to Google. Following some DOS commands to see what the requests are going through, they've also discovered that our DNSs are being hijacked, Twitter requests visit a certain Turkish "checkpoint" and another in Frankfurt then reaches Twitter servers. It is hard not to think that records of Twitter users are being recorded that way.
Fisherking
04-04-2014, 13:27
something anyway besides silence : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26880891
Now, it there was some reporting on the election and how people are taking it....
Ironside
04-04-2014, 18:15
something anyway besides silence : http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26880891
Now, it there was some reporting on the election and how people are taking it....
I've seen some in Swedish media. Basically, the election is counted as "fair enough" as in the reported cheating doesn't majorly change the results. A lot of worries for the oppression/suppression and polarisation.
Erdogan's support is reported to be mostly poor people who have gotten it economically better and who aren't that supporting of the urban secular middle class (read religious, rural underclass are Erdogan's supporters).
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