View Full Version : Do you 'cheat' in SP...
Bob the Insane
11-12-2002, 13:42
Personally I never, reload a battle.. For me it makes the game more interesting to have to deal with my mistakes..
But it is only a game and I can understand that for some, the challenge of winning the battle is what it is all about.....
How do you like to play??
ToranagaSama
11-12-2002, 13:50
You forgot an option.
Only Reload when the AI makes a STUPID move
Either "bug" related or sometimes the deficiency of the AI pops up.
I will reload in this situation.
As will I.
Sometimes I'm tempted other times as well. It really depends on serious I take the current campaign - that is whether I'm just experimenting with new strats or actually trying hard.
I reload if it was great leader who got killed or acquired a vice from losing. I am still learning about both strategy and tactics and don't like to throw away a long campaign for a small oversight. One thing I have learnt is to be very, very careful about my leader's unit and only commit it when it is safe. Doesn't help much if you lose though (do you still get a vice if you withdraw from a losing battle?).
never cheat, as much as i am tempted, its better to see the critiacal battle decide ones fate
Alrowan, exactly... It is fun trying to get out the mess afterwards. Besides I don't save my games enough to actually replay battles.
Prodigal
11-12-2002, 15:07
Only if I've
a) been drinking
b) really detest whoever it was that just won, (this is generally heavily affected by (a))
c)just got whipped by a bunch of peasants with a urban milita man thrown in. (Happend yesterday http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif , didn't reload though http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )
But, in my defence & I hope to my credit, generally I'll take the "hole up in the castle" approach, For the horde cometh with fire, sword, & righteous fury to PURGE the DESECRATORS. Seems extreme but it's working a treat as the HRE @ the moment.
PanthaPower
11-12-2002, 16:30
I never reload. I love to fight my way through troubles and if I lose, I start a new campaign which is always fun. I also never save games unless I go to bed or when my girlfriend needs some attention too... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
kyodai-britishbeef
11-12-2002, 16:36
same as panther http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif)
chunkynut
11-12-2002, 17:30
I think it has to be said i have reloaded on average once or twice each campaign. That said it is usually when my army or their army is decimated in an unlikey way. eg. i (or they) have a great army + general and then go to tactical and the AI runs in the 5* gen first and wham i've won with 6 crappy units and a 2* guy whos got an odd number of toes. That aside i haven't ..... may have wanted to but haven't. I have never done it for a strategic reason because once i did reload and the AI did the stupid thing anyway so it seems its fate.
Generally tho i find the AI can hold its own with a good king and a few good gens and a f*&k load of troops http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
PugPenguin
11-12-2002, 17:44
Never mind battles, what I fear more is losing an assassin who just happen to get to 7 - 8 stars....
... particularly when the "cheating AI" lures him to a province with heavy defence. I've reloaded a game few times under those situations.
I wish AI never "knew" your assassin is coming. AI cheats on that. I mean, human players wouldn't know if AI sent an assassin at one of your units.
I will reload occassionally. Because I autocalc some small battles or if I have overwhelming odds, and if the battle turns out poorly, or I lose a good general, I will reload and fight the battle myself. Other than that, I pretty much play a VERY staight game.
ToranagaSama
11-12-2002, 21:23
Quote[/b] (Kraxis @ Nov. 12 2002,08:34)]Alrowan, exactly... It is fun trying to get out the mess afterwards. Besides I don't save my games enough to actually replay battles.
Quote[/b] ]Alrowan, exactly... It is fun trying to get out the mess afterwards. Besides I don't save my games enough to actually replay battles.
OH
Are we talking about battles or strat map stuff??? Grrrrr...
I was talking about Strat Map
Re battles not in MTW; and rarely in STW. I usually only lose battles when I do something stupid and/or try a new tactic for the heck of it. Whatever, the case I always except the results, more fun that way.
Though, I don't always win battles the way I intended. Often, I'll win the battle but lose more men then I intended (or my high star general) and, to me, that's a loss, as now, my strategy will be effected.
Ultimately, you win the campaign anyway just might take a little longer?
ToranagaSama
11-12-2002, 21:28
Quote[/b] (PugPenguin @ Nov. 12 2002,11:44)]Never mind battles, what I fear more is losing an assassin who just happen to get to 7 - 8 stars....
... particularly when the "cheating AI" lures him to a province with heavy defence. I've reloaded a game few times under those situations.
I wish AI never "knew" your assassin is coming. AI cheats on that. I mean, human players wouldn't know if AI sent an assassin at one of your units.
I used to feel that way too. Then I realized that its a good balance to the game. Otherwise, you wind up with a "super" assassin which isn't realistic. The AI doesn't ever get such a "super" assassin as long as you have placed the proper defenses, i.e., border forts, etc.
Brown Wolf
11-13-2002, 00:59
Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Nov. 12 2002,14:28)]
Quote[/b] (PugPenguin @ Nov. 12 2002,11:44)]Never mind battles, what I fear more is losing an assassin who just happen to get to 7 - 8 stars....
... particularly when the "cheating AI" lures him to a province with heavy defence. I've reloaded a game few times under those situations.
I wish AI never "knew" your assassin is coming. AI cheats on that. I mean, human players wouldn't know if AI sent an assassin at one of your units.
I used to feel that way too. Then I realized that its a good balance to the game. Otherwise, you wind up with a "super" assassin which isn't realistic. The AI doesn't ever get such a "super" assassin as long as you have placed the proper defenses, i.e., border forts, etc.
A good defense against AI assasins is to put your assasins in your provinces.
Orda Khan
11-13-2002, 01:32
What's the point?
.......Orda
Hey guys,
As time goes by, all the Empires experience highs and lows, and I find it really enhances the game.
There are times when I think that I'm sunk, but these usually lead to some of the best moments of the game.
To get knocked back a step, only to come back 3 or 4 more steps in the right direction can be highly satisfying.
I've been tempted, at certain moments, to hit the save key, just in case it "all goes potty".
My very first Crusade was wiped out by a German Crusade that arrived on the battlefield as "Neutral", let me defeat the enemy, and then attacked and kicked the crap out of me. I was thinking I was knacked, until I looked at the year clock and realised that I had all the time in the world to Crusade again, and thanks to the loss of the first one, with a wiser and better strategy.
You can't really knock anyone for saving and going back though.
After all, winning is everything.
Azrael
scsscsfanfan
11-13-2002, 07:15
I have to admit that I reload a few times only if my good general gets some really stupid inconsistant V&V's. I never reload the battle though.
I was a never reloader till the other day
I was holding a province on the french mainland as the danes - Due to a bug with the crusades - the french went to war with me for no provication -
I set up on the high ground as always
To my dismay the entire french army had set up above and behind me - by the time I gave orders to turn and fight the charging french were spitting and bearing down on me at full charge - by the time I gave the order to retreat the last of my men was already 20 yards behind me.
So I played it again - this time setting up in a different spot - and this time my men turned and ran for apparently no reason - I beginning to suspect the general is a coward - once Ive looked at all possibilities as to why a perfectly good high valor army would turn for nothing - Ill take whatever the consequences of this unintentional war are to be http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
solypsist
11-13-2002, 09:11
I've never reloaded, but do cheat in other ways, using the matteo..etc. cheat to be able to see the whole map, and in battles not using the restricted camera. But that's it.
Rosacrux
11-13-2002, 09:20
I have yet to reload a battle (hell, I autoresolve almost 90% of the battles anyway, effectively cheating on myself http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif ) but I do have a couple of cheats at hand as well: I do not use the matteowhatever code to reveal the map (spreading out emissaries, brides, spies, assasins and connecting trade lanes to reveal the whole picture is far more interesting) but I do use a couple of cheats in battles.
- Unlimited ammo for the missile units
- No restriction to the camera
But to counterweight this, I never ever pause the game... except the times my spouse comes in screaming I should help her with something, or the darn phone rings or something like that.
A.Saturnus
11-13-2002, 13:04
I replay battles only in rare occasions. I`m playing on normal, so when I loose it`s usally hopeless. But on strat level I do reload when my agents fail in spite of the odds. Once I tried to kill a rebel leader. My assassins had 17 % chance. I tried it every year with 2 assassins and he still lived after 40 years
When the AI cheats in that way, I do it too.
MonkeyMan
11-13-2002, 15:27
I never cheat by reloading a battle.
I will reload if i lose through my line dying out though. I also cheat by mod after i've tried the normal campaigns, by editing my starting set up and buildable units.
IMHO, campaign is too easy to resort to cheating. Losing a battle is actually a refreshing and welcome change.
ToranagaSama
11-13-2002, 15:54
Quote[/b] (YunDog @ Nov. 13 2002,02:15)]ITo my dismay the entire french army had set up above and behind me - by the time I gave orders to turn and fight the charging french were spitting and bearing down on me at full charge - by the time I gave the order to retreat the last of my men was already 20 yards behind me
Ahhhh....you should pay the price for not determining which direction your enemy would come from http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
HINT: the enemy always comes from the direction you are facing immediately upon spawning.
ToranagaSama
11-13-2002, 16:00
Quote[/b] (A.Saturnus @ Nov. 13 2002,07:04)]I replay battles only in rare occasions. I`m playing on normal, so when I loose it`s usally hopeless. But on strat level I do reload when my agents fail in spite of the odds. Once I tried to kill a rebel leader. My assassins had 17 % chance. I tried it every year with 2 assassins and he still lived after 40 years
When the AI cheats in that way, I do it too.
Quote[/b] ]My assassins had 17 % chance. I tried it every year with 2 assassins and he still lived after 40 years
When the AI cheats in that way, I do it too
I don't get it
At 17% chance, you have NO chance at success So, of course, your target is going to live. How's this cheating on the part of the AI?
Sounds like you need to build up your Assassins experience level, before taking on "rebel leaders".
ToranagaSama
11-13-2002, 16:04
Quote[/b] (Inferno @ Nov. 13 2002,09:30)]IMHO, campaign is too easy to resort to cheating. Losing a battle is actually a refreshing and welcome change.
Quote[/b] ]IMHO, campaign is too easy to resort to cheating. Losing a battle is actually a refreshing and welcome change.
Totally Agree.
Bob the Insane
11-13-2002, 16:05
How does 17% equal 0%?????
17% equals approx a 1 in 6 chance...
What was discribed was like rolling a 6-sided dice 80 times and never getting a 1. (extremely unlikely...)
MonkeyMan
11-13-2002, 16:14
Quote[/b] (Bob the Insane @ Nov. 13 2002,09:05)]17% equals approx a 1 in 6 chance...
What was discribed was like rolling a 6-sided dice 80 times and never getting a 1. (extremely unlikely...)
Exactly what are you talking about ToranagaSama? 17% is 17% not 0%. If i said you had 17% chance of winning the lottery this week you'd be mad not to buy a ticket.
Of course failing to roll a 1, 80 times is possible, partiularly because the general would pick up all sorts of anti assasin vices after you'd sent so many after him. He probably became a bit paranoid after a while and locked himself in single room surrounded by guards and traps and only ate food tested on at least 2 different slaves first.
MizuKokami
11-13-2002, 18:49
ideally, i want a good clean campaign. but if i paint myself into a corner and it looks like i might have made a tragic mistake, i'll save the campaign, and start a new one. eventually i might go back to the old campaign. would that be considered cheating?
Nobunaga0611
11-13-2002, 22:14
hell I do. If I see an emissary sitting in my province spying on me for like 6 years, then all of a sudden i send an assassin after him and he decides to take the tour of the whole map, and not really ever having an actual mission, then my assassin gets killed....that pisses me off But now, once the emissary leaves my territory, I usually pull back my assassin and send him back to the province I have him normally stationed in.
I also noticed, there are some times when certain strategic pieces just can NOT be killed. I've had 2 assassins w/a 97% chance of success in the same province, trying to kill Thomas Beckett, and I reloaded about 5 times, trying with both of them at different turns, and neither could kill him. Then after I waited a few turns....it worked. For some reason, if you're going to fail, you're usually going to fail no matter what you do. (SOMETIMES, don't jump all over this http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )
deutschlanduberalles
11-13-2002, 22:44
The only time I reload is when something happens that is just not supposed to happen, like my swiss armored pikemen in 5-rank getting charged by enemy royal knights and getting their butts handed to them. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif
Never ...don't see the point of cheating ?
Cheers
I always cheat and will never stop cheating.
I use cheat codes.
I hex edit the save file for more money and more time.
I edit stats to gain advantage.
I exploit AI weakness.
I defend corner, edge or hill with super spear and missiles until the time run out.
I reload game very often.
... and many other things so that I would never lose.
After all, I play the game to have fun not to be more tressed. I play for personal pleasure but not to attemp to be come a professional game player. I don't play just to prove that I am smarter than others. I don't compete because competition usually makes enemy. I don't play then complain about the game.
It's my time and my money, I reserve the right to waste it the way I like.
It's OK to cheat yourself but cheating others is a crime
Warmaker
11-14-2002, 08:52
In some campaigns I do reload and others I do the "Ironman" style with no saves (other than saves for zzzzz).
I did a bunch of reloads when I started MTW when I made a bad mistake in a battle. Learn from the mistake, reload up to the battle and see about doing things differently.
I've only ever done it if I made a huge mistake- cliked begin battle without deploying etc
chunkynut
11-14-2002, 12:07
Quote[/b] (monkian @ Nov. 14 2002,04:05)]I've only ever done it if I made a huge mistake- cliked begin battle without deploying etc
God i've done this a few times its so annoying.
Never reloaded tho you normally get a chance to change this horrid mistake by frantic clicking.
Also i dont care if people cheat, as pdoan said he isn't cheating himself he just has fun that way. Thing is i really can't cheat i hate it. About ten years ago and at the age of 10-12 i cheated all the time and enjoyed it(i loved to see what came next). But now i realise this diminishes the pick up and play ability that games have for me. Challenging games dont get boring quickly, cheating does for me.
Edit: I would like to say that for me i was 10-12 years old not that all would have to be this age (so i dont sound like a cock)
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