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El Barto
05-21-2014, 04:27
I'd like to host a very simple mafia game.
Game rules are more-or-less standard:
Day lasts 48 hours, Night lasts 24 hours
First-past-the-post is lynched
If I get enough players, this rule also applies on Day One
If the vote is tied at the end of the Day, the vote will end with the first vote cast that breaks the tie.
Full reveals
No special roles
All players have just one vote
Number of mafia players depends on the number of starting players.
I aim to get at least around 20 players.
Signups:
1. Double A
2. Kumquat
3. Askthepizzaguy
4. edse
5. TFT
6. Jarema
7. Bladescape
8. Ishmael
9. Zack
10. Visorslash
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Edit: do bear in mind that with enough people it'll simply become a large vanilla mafia game.
I've got finals and ish coming up in a few weeks. I might be able to join, depending on when it starts, but probably not.
El Barto
05-21-2014, 16:28
Well, I'd like to start next week if possible, if not earlier.
Double A
05-21-2014, 17:29
vote: Caturday King
Riedquat
05-22-2014, 19:29
Grande Barto!!!
Contame papa!! Or count me in! :P
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2014, 20:34
I will join to fill ranks, or be a reserve player in case it fills up completely.
Askthepizzaguy recommended I come here if I were looking for more games, so here I am to join.
I want to be in, because there are full reveals :D
By "no special roles" do you mean no doctor and no sheriff?
Bladescape
05-27-2014, 16:30
In because I'm apparently very curious of a kitty.
Askthepizzaguy
05-27-2014, 16:32
TheFieryTower aka TFT and Bladescape are regulars over at Giant In The Playground forums.
Please everyone show them a warm welcome.
Askthepizzaguy recommended I come here if I were looking for more games, so here I am to join.
In because I'm apparently very curious of a kitty.
Hi guys!
Welcome again, on a different turf
Here, at least, votes are more visible - black and bolded. At your forum I have problem with difference between orange and red... :rolleyes:
Double A
05-28-2014, 07:05
TheFieryTower aka TFT and Bladescape are regulars over at Giant In The Playground forums.
Please everyone show them a warm welcome.
http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20080218041754/starwars/images/e/e0/Complex.jpg
You know, I think I see a nice spot to place my towery self at. In that corner, over there.
No, not that corner. The other one.
Bladescape
05-29-2014, 11:20
image
: O
All for me and TFT? You shouldn't.
I'll take the complex.
El Barto
05-31-2014, 00:32
I've got finals and ish coming up in a few weeks. I might be able to join, depending on when it starts, but probably not.
So, Choxorn, are you in or out?
By "no special roles" do you mean no doctor and no sheriff?
No protections, scans, roleblocks, only the one mafia team kill per night, my fishy friend.
Put me up as a reserve, and I'll be able to play in two weeks or so.
El Barto
06-03-2014, 02:59
Hallo everyone! This is your friendly neighbourhood GM popping in to tell you that the game should be starting on Thursday. Signups will be left open until then so anyone wishing to join will be allowed to. Until then, let's hope RL issues do not complicate things. Toodle-oo!
Hallo everyone! This is your friendly neighbourhood GM popping in to tell you that the game should be starting on Thursday. Signups will be left open until then so anyone wishing to join will be allowed to. Until then, let's hope RL issues do not complicate things. Toodle-oo!
It's already Friday. ~;)
Riedquat
06-05-2014, 16:47
It's already Friday. ~;)
Sadly, no yet in Kirchneristan... I really envy you Visor! ;)
El Barto
06-06-2014, 04:41
BEGINNING.
This is the list of players:
1. Double A
2. Kumquat
3. Askthepizzaguy
4. edse
5. TFT
6. Jarema
7. Bladescape
8. Ishmael
9. Zack
10. Visorslash
Now I'll repost the rules:
Day lasts 48 hours, Night lasts 24 hours
First-past-the-post is lynched
If I get enough players, this rule also applies on Day One <-- IT DOES.
If the vote is tied at the end of the Day, the vote will end with the first vote cast that breaks the tie.
Full reveals
No special roles <-- NOT EVEN THE BAG CARRIER
All players have just one vote
Number of mafia players depends on the number of starting players.
It s now DAY ONE. It ends in:
Vote for a candidate for the lynch in bold.
No Role PMs or game start PM? What does "first past the post" mean, first to a majority? Then why is there a tiebreaking mechanism?
Vote: Ishmael
Somebody seems bitter. Given up hope for this year already? :beam:
vote: Double A
Askthepizzaguy
06-06-2014, 07:25
No role PMs for villagers indeed.
Vote: Ishmael
Vote: Bladescape
Gotta give respect to my GITP-kin.
Riedquat
06-06-2014, 13:55
Kumquat wants me to vote: jarema I disagree but he commands...:yes:
vote: Visorslash
why not?
Double A
06-06-2014, 22:53
vote: Riedquat for preemptively stealing the kumquat joke I was going to make.
El Barto
06-06-2014, 23:51
Official tally:
Ishmael (Visorslash; Askthepizzaguy)
Double A (Ishmael)
Bladescape (TFT)
Jarema (Riedquat)
Visorslash (Jarema)
Riedquat (Double A)
No Role PMs or game start PM? What does "first past the post" mean, first to a majority? Then why is there a tiebreaking mechanism?
First-past-the-post is an election system in which a plurality, instead of a majority, wins.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 06:34
Unvote
Vote Reidquat
Death comes to us all, but you can experience it first.
Unvote; Vote: ATPG for voting scumquat.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 06:43
Unvote; Vote: ATPG for voting scumquat.
Belay that vote, Visorslash. Pizza is villaging.
Assume that for the moment, zack is village, pizza is village, you're village, and Ishmael is village. Your top suspects then?
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 06:50
That's a two in six random shot, but based on the vote record, I don't think we need to go random.
Reidquat and Jarema are both mafia.
Belay that vote, Visorslash. Pizza is villaging.
Assume that for the moment, zack is village, pizza is village, you're village, and Ishmael is village. Your top suspects then?
1. Double A
2. Kumquat
4. edse
5. TFT
6. Jarema
7. Bladescape
These are the remaining players.
Going by the vote analysis with the assumption made, we have little to look with so far, but it is enough.
TFT votes Bladescape - member from his forum. Is he voting him for security reasons? Or is it a throwaway?
Riedquat votes Jarema - Jarema, easy vote, unlikely to attract an OMGUS due to Jarema's tendency to vote me every D1.
Jarema votes myself - as he always does. Does he actually want me lynched is the question?
AA votes riedquat - throwaway vote, nothing to be learnt from. From my picture of AA, his day 1 is a throwaway.
Bladescape + edse have not voted.
Clearly not too much to go on. I wouldn't lynch Jarema today because he always votes me D1. AA is a fine vote, and one of bladescape + edse. If I was hazarding a guess based on those assumptions and really extrapolating things.
That's a two in six random shot, but based on the vote record, I don't think we need to go random.
Reidquat and Jarema are both mafia.
I don't think Jarema is worth a lynch today. Tomorrow it will be easier to tell him.
In fact, if Jarema did not vote me today, I would almost certainly be after his head.
Riedquat is a fine lynch.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 06:57
Bladescape is marked as away on GITP, his absence is expected and unrelated to the game.
I'll give him a pass since you cannot analyze him anyway. His fellow forum-goer TFT is voting for someone familiar, and definitely a commonplace villager D1 vote. We tend to vote the people we're closest to, because we expect to be betrayed by them, and want to get the upper hand over an old rival, rather than be blindsided by them. We don't mind losing to people we don't know from adam.
As such, both blades and TFT get a D1 pass from me.
Edse is not pulling his weight yet; however, I'd give you an obvious reason why if you asked, but don't ask. It's null. I have a feeling he might miss the round altogether, and I believe his absence is not a conscious decision on his part.
Double A is my third choice, already explained the other two.
I think one scum distances from the other scum, but if not, it's Double A and Jarema.
I can be persuaded to vote any of the three I mentioned, Scumquat, Jarema, or Double A.
And I would lynch Jarema today because he always votes you Day One is not a defense.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 07:02
Visor, I believe you're villaging because enough people were voting off-wagon. I don't believe town comes to that voting configuration naturally, that literally every townie was voting for a different suspect, and there were no two-townie votes.
This is thin, but vote analysis is my bag.
I'm a villager because I care too much not to be one.
Ah, I remember bladescape posting that he was away now. Nevermind on that behalf.
And yes, I agree with that. I would not lynch Zack or TFT/bladescape today myself, mostly because the latter two are new to the forum and Zack because of the early deaths of him in other games.
I'll take you at your word for edse, I don't believe he would consciously not vote.
I am fine with lynching those three. I don't mind the jarema lynch, but I would prefer AA/Reidquat over him, as reading jarema becomes easier once you make him talk.
Jarema
who would you lynch, out of ATPG, myself and Ishmael?
I have trouble reading Ishmael myself - he is someone that makes me doubt what I read, but I have a few ideas on what he may/may not do as mafia. I have a few sources to draw information from.
Fire alarm, back soon.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 07:07
@Jarema (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=75824)
who would you lynch, out of ATPG, myself and Ishmael?
Bah, Jarema, who would you lynch out of Askthepizzaguy, Reidquat, and Ishmael?
He's already voting for you, Vi.
Riedquat
06-07-2014, 07:13
Riedquat is a fine lynch.
No, he is not! kumquat is a better one...
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 07:23
No, he is not! kumquat is a better one...
You admit to being scum, then?
Bah, Jarema, who would you lynch out of Askthepizzaguy, Reidquat, and Ishmael?
He's already voting for you, Vi.
Doesn't mean he wants to lunch me. If his vote changes it gives us crucial info. Still reidquat and aa as well I suppose.
No, he is not! kumquat is a better one...
Death by kumquat
Riedquat
06-07-2014, 07:39
You admit to being scum, then?
No and I wonder why do you think I am...
So, it's nice that Pizza is in hunting wolves mode instead of defensive interactions mode. I makes me read him as villager unless his actions dictate otherwise.
Viser is also putting out a villagery vibe based on the amount of effort and reasoning. Can change based off the quality of actions like ATPG
I don't like the Reidquat and kumquat first interaction at all if players are starting serious. But I also don't know the general community of The Org so I don't know how commonplace joke votes like those are for day one.
Finally, if what you guys say about Jarema and his voting patterns is true, his vote doesn't seem like a wolf tell at the moment. I do want to hear more from him for being so cautious about his first vote.
I have trouble reading Ishmael myself - he is someone that makes me doubt what I read, but I have a few ideas on what he may/may not do as mafia. I have a few sources to draw information from.
Fire alarm, back soon.
You always nail me as mafia, and for the right reasons too. It's just fortunate the town doesn't listen to you most of the time when you do. You also often call me as mafia when I'm townie, but that's a different matter.
As for serious post analysis, I'd give Visorslash a tentative pass, and will be keeping a closer eye on TFT. I won't be changing my vote though, as I'd feel bad lynching one of the newcomers without more than a gut feeling on D1. No opinions yet on anybody else, really.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 08:31
No and I wonder why do you think I am...
I hunted villagers and found several, now I'm Process Of Elimination against the remaining players, and of those, I am observing voting patterns.
Your vote didn't look like it was attempting to win for village. Your vote wins for wolves, though.
Now, if I'm wrong, prove it. Lynch a scum today and I'll back off.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 08:33
You always nail me as mafia, and for the right reasons too. It's just fortunate the town doesn't listen to you most of the time when you do. You also often call me as mafia when I'm townie, but that's a different matter.
...
As for serious post analysis, I'd give Visorslash a tentative pass, and will be keeping a closer eye on TFT
Why?
So, it's nice that Pizza is in hunting wolves mode instead of defensive interactions mode. I makes me read him as villager unless his actions dictate otherwise.
Viser is also putting out a villagery vibe based on the amount of effort and reasoning. Can change based off the quality of actions like ATPG
I don't like the Reidquat and kumquat first interaction at all if players are starting serious. But I also don't know the general community of The Org so I don't know how commonplace joke votes like those are for day one.
Finally, if what you guys say about Jarema and his voting patterns is true, his vote doesn't seem like a wolf tell at the moment. I do want to hear more from him for being so cautious about his first vote.
Riedquat - kumquat is sorta a forum joke between el barto and riedquat - scumquat is my name for him. What about Ishamel or AA's vote?
You always nail me as mafia, and for the right reasons too. It's just fortunate the town doesn't listen to you most of the time when you do. You also often call me as mafia when I'm townie, but that's a different matter.
As for serious post analysis, I'd give Visorslash a tentative pass, and will be keeping a closer eye on TFT. I won't be changing my vote though, as I'd feel bad lynching one of the newcomers without more than a gut feeling on D1. No opinions yet on anybody else, really.
Everyone gets it wrong sometimes.
That said, I voted you specifically because I want to read your interactions to me, and you giving me a pass, no matter how tentative is generally not how I find Ishmael to work, at least as town. I remember you voting me more then most people and normally having some sort of voting interaction early.
Thoughts on Pizza so far?
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 08:53
Thoughts on Pizza so far?
Too villagery to be a villager. But that means he's a villager.
Riedquat - kumquat is sorta a forum joke between el barto and riedquat - scumquat is my name for him. What about Ishamel or AA's vote?
Got it.
The AA vote definitely is a vote away from bandwagons since there were a few votes already, but that can be both a villagery or a wolfish behavior depending on the player. Things hadn't gotten underway so if anything, it's a slight wolf read, but overall neutral.
The opening ishmael vote also seems neutral. This post though:
You always nail me as mafia, and for the right reasons too. It's just fortunate the town doesn't listen to you most of the time when you do. You also often call me as mafia when I'm townie, but that's a different matter.
As for serious post analysis, I'd give Visorslash a tentative pass, and will be keeping a closer eye on TFT. I won't be changing my vote though, as I'd feel bad lynching one of the newcomers without more than a gut feeling on D1. No opinions yet on anybody else, really.
I have to wonder about the deliberate separation between the meta analysis and the post analysis. It feels like you are trying to shift focus off the meta game factor. Might be something to look into.
To clarify a tiny bit, AA voting away from bandwagons is slightly suspicious, but not lynchworthy.
You know what?
Unvote
Vote: Ishmael
All right, I'll bite.
...
Why?
Visorslash: In my experience he doesn't tend to post quite so much, so early, as scum.
TFT: Ruling Pizza townie off the bat. He doesn't tend to read easily. That seems like either overconfidence, or an attempt to get on the good side of one of the more talkative (and therefore potentially influential) players.
Everyone gets it wrong sometimes.
That said, I voted you specifically because I want to read your interactions to me, and you giving me a pass, no matter how tentative is generally not how I find Ishmael to work, at least as town. I remember you voting me more then most people and normally having some sort of voting interaction early.
Thoughts on Pizza so far?
Are you saying that you're scum, or that I always vote for you even when you're townie?
Seriously though, whilst I don't tend to self-analyse much (perhaps I should), if I vote for you more often than others that's because I tend to find you suspicious more often than others, accurately or otherwise. It's not like my default course of action is just 'vote Visorslash.'
As for Pizza, see above; I don't feel justified in making any judgement yet.
Got it.
The AA vote definitely is a vote away from bandwagons since there were a few votes already, but that can be both a villagery or a wolfish behavior depending on the player. Things hadn't gotten underway so if anything, it's a slight wolf read, but overall neutral.
The opening ishmael vote also seems neutral. This post though:
I have to wonder about the deliberate separation between the meta analysis and the post analysis. It feels like you are trying to shift focus off the meta game factor. Might be something to look into.
Well, the meta analysis and post analysis were naturally separate. The meta analysis was of Visor's scumfinding ability, whilst the post analysis was about my opinions on how I might vote. There really wasn't much overlap.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 10:40
I should be doing a good job not reading as neutral at the moment.
I want the persons not weighing in on me or reading me as neutral to take a stand, because I will move my vote onto someone who has a neutral stance on me, to lynch, at the end of this round, if the vote tally is close.
This post is your big fat clue which team I'm on.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 10:48
I know I am at times a bit too self-centric, but of all the players in this game, I have spoken the most and taken the most firm stands and explained my thought process.
I also know I have a reputation for being hard to read, but I'm challenging you to try. I am not trying to be unreadable when I am a villager in a game this small with no power roles.
You should be able to read me this game. If you don't try, I'll assume you're not taking a stand because you're not looking for scumbags to lynch, and for villagers to not lynch.
This should explain why I'm being so demanding about people reading me to put more into it. I want to see your thought process and it's too easy to hide it by saying you're not sure.
Get sure.
TFT: Ruling Pizza townie off the bat. He doesn't tend to read easily. That seems like either overconfidence, or an attempt to get on the good side of one of the more talkative (and therefore potentially influential) players.
Well, it'll probably be overconfidence. Since Pizza is asking too, however, I can get also give my quick reasoning and impressions when I made that decision:
Your top suspects then?
Bah, Jarema, who would you lynch out of Askthepizzaguy, Reidquat, and Ishmael?
This is ATPG at his most villagery(From my limited experience): asking others opinions, and trying to tease out answers. I haven't played many games with him yet, but from what I have seen, there's a slight reservedness in his play when he isn't villaging, trying to step on as few toes as possible while still trying to give his usual style of analysis. I don't see that here yet.
I won't quote it, but his reads also didn't feel in any way altered, and he took a strong stand on his opinions. Since it's too early to tell if his opinions and votes are trying to steer people in directions for mafia means, however, I have to assume at the moment that he's a villager not worried about giving bad opinions or stepping on people's toes.
So, I gave a villager lean/read based off the info I have.
Well, the meta analysis and post analysis were naturally separate. The meta analysis was of Visor's scumfinding ability, whilst the post analysis was about my opinions on how I might vote. There really wasn't much overlap.
Separating the two ideas is fine. It's how you did it I had a problem with.
"As for serious post analysis"
The word choice of serious rubbed really wrong with me. I read it, and it gave a strong impression that the other part of the post was less serious and shouldn't be taken seriously. Like there might be something that would look incriminating that should be overlooked.
And when I looked back at the voting and viser's vote, it looks like it might have been a slight reactionary distancing, even if unintentional, of reasoning against Viser's gut vote. Thus, my vote. It's the thing that looked most out of place to me so far.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 11:24
TFT's analysis of me seems fine.
I think I did a good job breaking from my wolf pattern this time. I should be able to eat a murder this game with ease, especially if I lynch a wolf today.
Ishmael
I mean that you tend to find me suspicious more often - I know it isn't default course of action *cough* jarema *cough*.
Tell me Askthepizzaguy or Bladescape
Does TFT normally latch onto something like that? I don't see what he seems to with regards to Ishmael's wording.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 12:22
Tell me @Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872) or @Bladescape (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=98837)
Does TFT normally latch onto something like that? I don't see what he seems to with regards to Ishmael's wording.
I'd need more data on TFT but, TFT is an analytical player.
Not only do I believe he thinks he sees something there, it's also something I'm almost certain he's not faking. I feel it's difficult for a scum TFT to pull that line out of his butt.
You don't have to see what he sees, I am not sure I do either, but the thinking process feels hard to counterfeit.
I am still learning TFT, so it's difficult to be safely confident about him, but I feel confident regardless.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 12:29
Visor, you know me well enough to know that your vote on me right now would not make me particularly uneasy as scum.
So, I'm just asking- do you think you're voting for a wolf right now?
If your vote moves before end of round, I won't think anything of it. If it remains, I'll want an explain.
Visor, you know me well enough to know that your vote on me right now would not make me particularly uneasy as scum.
So, I'm just asking- do you think you're voting for a wolf right now?
If your vote moves before end of round, I won't think anything of it. If it remains, I'll want an explain.
No. But that isn't why I voted you in the first place.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 12:42
No. But that isn't why I voted you in the first place.
Mmm hmm *nodding*
No nibbles. Perhaps the scums aren't biting.
There are others to hear from, notably more from Riedquat, jarema, AA.
The lines can be cast, but sometimes one must be patient.
Tell me Askthepizzaguy or Bladescape
Does TFT normally latch onto something like that? I don't see what he seems to with regards to Ishmael's wording.
I felt like it was pretty straightforward: The use of the word serious feels like an attempt to keep people away from looking closely at the logic behind your conversation, because he's worried about the meta-analysis conversation.
I guess it's fairly minor, but it just didn't read well to me at all.
EDIT: Going to sleep, be on tomorrow a bit if you need to address something to me.
Double A
06-07-2014, 15:17
I don't like the Reidquat and kumquat first interaction at all if players are starting serious. But I also don't know the general community of The Org so I don't know how commonplace joke votes like those are for day one.
Dude, we're never serious on day 1. I'm scared. Someone hold me.
To clarify a tiny bit, AA voting away from bandwagons is slightly suspicious, but not lynchworthy.
It's prolly worth noting that I rarely jump on bandwagons because of Newton's First Law.
Double A
06-07-2014, 15:23
Snip-a-dee-doo-dah, snip-a-dee-ay
I have a total read on you, Pizzaman. You aren't town. You aren't mafia. You aren't even third party.
You're forth party. You're so neutral and removed from the events of the major factions that you're completely not at all. You're basically Hannibal Lecter made out of antimatter.
Riedquat
06-07-2014, 17:40
I don't like the Reidquat and kumquat first interaction at all if players are starting serious. But I also don't know the general community of The Org so I don't know how commonplace joke votes like those are for day one.
Understandable, but it wasn't me who started it, who is in the players list? Me or kumquat? It is okay for me, people call me kumquat, scumquat, reidquat and riedquat... :P
I know I am at times a bit too self-centric
Nah!! Really? Nobody noticed, ever! :P But don't change, we love you as you are!
But seriously, generally you always read me as scum, as town, as mafia and as third party, I don't remember a single time you had put me on the clear list... perhaps I'm always scummy!
There are others to hear from, notably more from Riedquat, jarema, AA.
The lines can be cast, but sometimes one must be patient.
Here, you are the one who can read me as an open book, if you think I'm mafia, you are probably right or you are scum yourself.
Dude, we're never serious on day 1. I'm scared. Someone hold me.
I have a total read on you, Pizzaman. You aren't town. You aren't mafia. You aren't even third party.
You're forth party. You're so neutral and removed from the events of the major factions that you're completely not at all. You're basically Hannibal Lecter made out of antimatter.
:yes:
First-past-the-post is an election system in which a plurality, instead of a majority, wins.
When I think "first past the post," I think of the US system where the first candidate to pass a certain threshold ("pass the post") wins.
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 20:47
At work now- wont be changing my vote.
I have a total read on you, Pizzaman. You aren't town. You aren't mafia. You aren't even third party.
You're forth party. You're so neutral and removed from the events of the major factions that you're completely not at all. You're basically Hannibal Lecter made out of antimatter.
You're forth party. You're so neutral and removed from the events of the major factions that you're completely not at all. You're basically Hannibal Lecter made out of antimatter.
You're forth party.
forth party
forth
forth
Vote: Double A
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 21:22
Haven't left yet.
You know what? Lynching Double A for reasons such as these, I am convinced.
Let the votes come forth.
Unvote, Vote Double A
Askthepizzaguy
06-07-2014, 21:22
At work now- wont be changing my vote.
I lied. Now I'm at work.
Double A
06-07-2014, 21:44
Vote: Double A
That was a Freudian slip, actually. My subconscious wants me to rewatch Blackadder again.
El Barto
06-08-2014, 03:33
DAY ONE
Most people showed up, and voted. It turns out, that Double A was the wrong battery size to be.
Ishmael 1 (TFT)
Double A 3 (Ishmael; Zack; Askthepizzaguy) LYNCHED
Jarema 1 (Riedquat)
Visorslash 1 (Jarema)
Riedquat 1 (Double A)
Askthepizzaguy 1 (Visorslash)
Not voting, edse, Bladescape (2)
He was not part of the mafia, though.
1. Double A LYNCHED DAY ONE, Innocent
2. Kumquat
3. Askthepizzaguy
4. edse
5. TFT
6. Jarema
7. Bladescape
8. Ishmael
9. Zack
10. Visorslash
It is now Night One, during which a kill shall be decided in secret by the mafia.
This phase will last:
Posting is still allowed.
El Barto
06-08-2014, 03:46
When I think "first past the post," I think of the US system where the first candidate to pass a certain threshold ("pass the post") wins.
Oh. Well, it's UK English. But the term is also used when discussing voting systems in U.S. Electoral College elections.
Double A
06-08-2014, 05:01
Most people showed up, and voted. It turns out, that Double A was the wrong battery size to be.
I blame the metric system.
Finally, if what you guys say about Jarema and his voting patterns is true, his vote doesn't seem like a wolf tell at the moment. I do want to hear more from him for being so cautious about his first vote.
I try to vote for Visor at every first day. Sometimes, I change this vote later if he is going to be lynched.
As for Riedquat and Kumquat, I read this as his 'normal' behavior (Kumquat is his nickname).
EDIT: sorry, I wrote this answer before reading rest of the thread
Edse is not pulling his weight yet; however, I'd give you an obvious reason why if you asked, but don't ask. It's null. I have a feeling he might miss the round altogether, and I believe his absence is not a conscious decision on his part.
[Zaccinoclaps.gif]
Sorry, I've been so busy getting splinters in my hands and bruises on my knees that I forgot to check the forum.
El Barto
06-09-2014, 01:51
NIGHT ONE
Zack was found dead in the morning, killed by some shifty scummiosi who made the GM's day by ensuring that the new None Shall Pass game would have the man's undivided attention.
List of players:
1. Double A LYNCHED DAY ONE, Innocent
2. Kumquat
3. Askthepizzaguy
4. edse
5. TFT
6. Jarema
7. Bladescape
8. Ishmael
9. Zack KILLED NIGHT ONE, Innocent
10. Visorslash
It is now Day Two. Vote for a player to be lynched in bold.
This phase will last:
Can I still talk and stuff?
Double A
06-09-2014, 07:04
OP doesn't say anything about it.
OP doesn't say anything about it.
that's why i asked ya dingus
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 09:20
Vote: Reidquat the kumquat the scumquat.
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 09:31
I can continue play, but be advised I'm quite sick and won't be as analytical.
@Pizza I just started coming down with something myself.
Vote: Jarema, let's get this started. Thoughts on Ishamel and TFT?
I personally would like to see how they interact today, if TFT is going to back up his accusation of Ishmael and how Ishmael reacts.
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 12:34
Ishmael can be lynched.
TFT still reads okay to me, to be reversed late game perhaps.
I personally would like to see how they interact today, if TFT is going to back up his accusation of Ishmael and how Ishmael reacts.
Since you ask, I've actually reversed my position on TFT. His accusations against me in the previous day phase seemed sincere.
That leaves me with nothing, so I'll fall back to the default option of trying to get people to talk more. Jarema and edse haven't said much, but a vote for Jarema is more likely to do something given he's already got one.
vote: Jarema
Don't feel limited by Visor; thoughts on anybody are appreciated :beam:.
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 13:44
If Jarema is scum, Ishmael looks good.
If not, Ishmael and reidquat for the scum duo.
El Barto
What happens if Bladescape doesn't post/vote today?
Hearing from edse would be good as well, need to hear from everybody, with a short game.
I'm inclining more and more towards ATPG being scum. I dislike such certainty so early.
Riedquat
06-09-2014, 14:13
If Jarema is scum, Ishmael looks good.
If not, Ishmael and reidquat for the scum duo.
You can be partially right, just remove the poor reidquat from there, were me scum you would be dead. You alive, me good townie, a townquat! ...*possessed by Sitting Bull spirit*...
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 14:16
I'm inclining more and more towards ATPG being scum. I dislike such certainty so early.
I dislike prevarication. This isn't early, we're at lynch or lose next round.
6 towns, two scums. -1 town lynch, -1 town murder.
4 towns, two scums. Lynch or lose.
"Early" pushes you over the top. We can lynch your partner scumquat next round.
Unvote, Vote: Ishmael
I've clearly rattled your cage. Time to die.
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 14:18
You can be partially right, just remove the poor reidquat from there, were me scum you would be dead.
This is a bad argument. Zack was the must-murder last night, he was never getting lynched this game due to the lack of village PMs.
That being said, you can help me kill Ishmael and all will be forgiven.
Riedquat
06-09-2014, 14:22
I'm inclining more and more towards ATPG being scum. I dislike such certainty so early.
Or visor and him... +10 for thread activity but they are directing the circus here... in the other hand atpg could be right about you, the thing is you and who else?
Riedquat
06-09-2014, 14:26
This is a bad argument. Zack was the must-murder last night, he was never getting lynched this game due to the lack of village PMs.
That being said, you can help me kill Ishmael and all will be forgiven.
I prefer to lynch not kill Ishmael... and what are you going to forgive? :inquisitive:
I dislike prevarication. This isn't early, we're at lynch or lose next round.
6 towns, two scums. -1 town lynch, -1 town murder.
4 towns, two scums. Lynch or lose.
"Early" pushes you over the top. We can lynch your partner scumquat next round.
Unvote, Vote: Ishmael
I've clearly rattled your cage. Time to die.
There is a difference between disliking certainty, and disliking taking a position. My objection was to your framing the debate in an attempt to guarantee that if Jarema were innocent, you would get a 'free' lynch. As you point out yourself, that would be game.
unvote; vote: Askthepizzaguy
Riedquat
06-09-2014, 14:36
There is a difference between disliking certainty, and disliking taking a position. My objection was to your framing the debate in an attempt to guarantee that if Jarema were innocent, you would get a 'free' lynch. As you point out yourself, that would be game.
unvote; vote: Askthepizzaguy
This post smells funny... I somehow agree with it but something doesn't fit...
Atpg, as Ishmael kindly points out, if jarema is innocent, why Ishmael and me are guilty? And just as mental exercise, if is not me, who would be the next possible?
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 14:53
This is how I read the both of you.
Somebody seems bitter. Given up hope for this year already? :beam:
vote: Double A
Nominates a townie to die D1
+ wolf points.
Kumquat wants me to vote: jarema I disagree but he commands...:yes:
Nominates Jarema D1, low-risk.
No, he is not! kumquat is a better one...
Joking, low-content.
No and I wonder why do you think I am...
Wants reasons to defend against.
+ wolf points.
You always nail me as mafia, and for the right reasons too. It's just fortunate the town doesn't listen to you most of the time when you do. You also often call me as mafia when I'm townie, but that's a different matter.
As for serious post analysis, I'd give Visorslash a tentative pass, and will be keeping a closer eye on TFT. I won't be changing my vote though, as I'd feel bad lynching one of the newcomers without more than a gut feeling on D1. No opinions yet on anybody else, really.
Words directed at Visorslash feel wrong. Discussing the past is something I tend to do more as a wolf.
"Keep a closer eye on TFT" feels like a wolf lie.
Low number of opinions, low-risk.
All right, I'll bite.
Visorslash: In my experience he doesn't tend to post quite so much, so early, as scum.
Disagree.
TFT: Ruling Pizza townie off the bat. He doesn't tend to read easily. That seems like either overconfidence, or an attempt to get on the good side of one of the more talkative (and therefore potentially influential) players.
Disagree, and I disagree with smudging TFT.
+wolf points.
Are you saying that you're scum, or that I always vote for you even when you're townie?
Seriously though, whilst I don't tend to self-analyse much (perhaps I should), if I vote for you more often than others that's because I tend to find you suspicious more often than others, accurately or otherwise. It's not like my default course of action is just 'vote Visorslash.'
As for Pizza, see above; I don't feel justified in making any judgement yet.
No one should be neutral on me at this point in the game.
+wolf points.
Well, the meta analysis and post analysis were naturally separate. The meta analysis was of Visor's scumfinding ability, whilst the post analysis was about my opinions on how I might vote. There really wasn't much overlap.
Filler.
Understandable, but it wasn't me who started it, who is in the players list? Me or kumquat? It is okay for me, people call me kumquat, scumquat, reidquat and riedquat... :P
Nah!! Really? Nobody noticed, ever! :P But don't change, we love you as you are!
But seriously, generally you always read me as scum, as town, as mafia and as third party, I don't remember a single time you had put me on the clear list... perhaps I'm always scummy!
This strikes me as not only a butt-pulled statement, but also an attempt to undermine confidence in a read on Reid.
+wolf points.
Here, you are the one who can read me as an open book, if you think I'm mafia, you are probably right or you are scum yourself.
:yes:
I don't like this interaction with Visorslash.
Since you ask, I've actually reversed my position on TFT. His accusations against me in the previous day phase seemed sincere.
That leaves me with nothing, so I'll fall back to the default option of trying to get people to talk more. Jarema and edse haven't said much, but a vote for Jarema is more likely to do something given he's already got one.
vote: Jarema
Don't feel limited by Visor; thoughts on anybody are appreciated :beam:.
Jarema has been nominated by several folks, therefore if he's a villager he's a low-risk lynch. He could also be a bussing target, less likely.
I'm inclining more and more towards ATPG being scum. I dislike such certainty so early.
Wildly wolfy statement.
You can be partially right, just remove the poor reidquat from there, were me scum you would be dead. You alive, me good townie, a townquat! ...*possessed by Sitting Bull spirit*...
I think I was half-right, actually.
Or visor and him... +10 for thread activity but they are directing the circus here... in the other hand atpg could be right about you, the thing is you and who else?
Bull.
Visor and me are never the scum team here.
I prefer to lynch not kill Ishmael... and what are you going to forgive? :inquisitive:
Also bull. Riedquat has not indicated he's willing to lynch Ishmael.
There is a difference between disliking certainty, and disliking taking a position. My objection was to your framing the debate in an attempt to guarantee that if Jarema were innocent, you would get a 'free' lynch. As you point out yourself, that would be game.
unvote; vote: Askthepizzaguy
Caught wolf.
This post smells funny... I somehow agree with it but something doesn't fit...
Prep for distancing.
Atpg, as Ishmael kindly points out, if jarema is innocent, why Ishmael and me are guilty? And just as mental exercise, if is not me, who would be the next possible?
You and Ishmael are guilty because you are both having a terrible game as wolf.
Simple as that. No offense, but you've done nothing townie so far.
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 15:07
I have Ishmael as 75% wolf and Reidquat as 65% wolf.
Not quite as certain as Fleeing Coward and Banjo caught wolf team, but enough that I'm willing to bet the game on these two on the lynch or lose round.
You have precisely one round to change my mind.
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 15:08
Jarema like 45% wolf.
It's possible but I have my doubts.
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 15:15
Visor, I'm pretty much the murder tonight, do you agree?
This is how I read the both of you.
Nominates a townie to die D1
+ wolf points.
Nominates Jarema D1, low-risk.
Joking, low-content.
Wants reasons to defend against.
+ wolf points.
Words directed at Visorslash feel wrong. Discussing the past is something I tend to do more as a wolf.
"Keep a closer eye on TFT" feels like a wolf lie.
Low number of opinions, low-risk.
Disagree.
Disagree, and I disagree with smudging TFT.
+wolf points.
No one should be neutral on me at this point in the game.
+wolf points.
Filler.
This strikes me as not only a butt-pulled statement, but also an attempt to undermine confidence in a read on Reid.
+wolf points.
I don't like this interaction with Visorslash.
Jarema has been nominated by several folks, therefore if he's a villager he's a low-risk lynch. He could also be a bussing target, less likely.
Wildly wolfy statement.
I think I was half-right, actually.
Bull.
Visor and me are never the scum team here.
Also bull. Riedquat has not indicated he's willing to lynch Ishmael.
Caught wolf.
Prep for distancing.
You and Ishmael are guilty because you are both having a terrible game as wolf.
Simple as that. No offense, but you've done nothing townie so far.
I won't bother with the stuff in the spoiler. Some of it I've addressed or are disagreements in interpretation, and the rest is highly ambiguous. The last part caught my eye, though:
You and Ishmael are guilty because you are both having a terrible game as wolf.
Simple as that. No offense, but you've done nothing townie so far.
Sounds like somebody is giving themselves room to back away if you spearhead the lynch of a townie. And yet you call Riedquat out for distancing.
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 15:23
Lynch me tomorrow if I am wrong. As far as I'm concerned, if I ever get lynched this game it's game over anyway. Too many townies are AWOL. Today is lynch or lose for all practical purposes, yet you seem to believe we've got plenty of time.
Riedquat
06-09-2014, 16:36
Haha! I understand your reading of me, do not agree in every point but your point of view is understandable. In the post you mention I'm distancing from Ishmael I thought you were going to think exactly that when writing it, but my feelings about that post are exactly those.
And about acting townie, well... this is the way I roll... always, as town or mafia... I think? Correspond to others judge that.
I'm fine going after Ishmael but I agree he has some good points, I know you are completely wrong about me, so the what if you are completely wrong about him too, keeps popping out in my mind, there is a lot of people saying nothing and that worries me more than your accusation.
vote: Ishmael
sorry, I am sick. I am going back to my bed
Riedquat
06-09-2014, 19:42
vote: Ishmael
sorry, I am sick. I am going back to my bed
umm... as your mafia partner? :inquisitive:
Get well soon!
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 22:20
I'm fine going after Ishmael but I agree he has some good points, I know you are completely wrong about me, so the what if you are completely wrong about him too, keeps popping out in my mind, there is a lot of people saying nothing and that worries me more than your accusation.
The italics reads as wolfy, surprise surprise.
You aren't going to lynch Ishmael because you know you hang after he dies and flips wolf.
Now then, there are several possibilities:
1) Ishmael is a wolf and you're his partner.
2) Ishmael is a wolf and I'm bussing him hard
3) Ishmael is a wolf and someone else is his partner.
4) Ishmael is not a wolf.
In universes 2 through 3 you still need to lynch Ishmael regardless of my accusation of you. Why my accusing you even factors in, is beyond me. Villager Reidquat would know it's meaningless, so why do you even bring it up? It's horribad logic.
In Universe 1, your lack of support for lynching Ishmael will cause you to hang tomorrow. You should probably lynch him. Maybe I change my mind about you.
(Spoiler alert: That ship has sailed....)
In Universe 4, your lack of support for lynching him reads as PIS to me, and I'd still lynch you tomorrow if I survive that long and people still read me as a villager.
No one should be defending Ishmael, he's a legit suspect acting wolfy.
The way you're uncomfortable with his lynch, and how you're stalling, indicates to me that between 1 and 2 of you are completely guilty.
Mmm, sorry, I thought I would have more time now that work has started but I was wrong.
When I read yesterday's posts I thought Ishmael and Jarema were the guilty ones, but today's voting doesn't really support that theory.
You always nail me as mafia, and for the right reasons too. It's just fortunate the town doesn't listen to you most of the time when you do. You also often call me as mafia when I'm townie, but that's a different matter.
As for serious post analysis, I'd give Visorslash a tentative pass, and will be keeping a closer eye on TFT. I won't be changing my vote though, as I'd feel bad lynching one of the newcomers without more than a gut feeling on D1. No opinions yet on anybody else, really.
I reacted the same way as TFT when I read this post and Jarema's lazy vote with it's common explanation isn't very good in a game this small.
I'll go with Vote:Ishmael.
Askthepizzaguy
06-09-2014, 22:35
I need to be murdered tonight to prevent shenanigans, so if everyone could be on record as thinking Askthepizzaguy is an obvious villager, that would probably tilt things that way.
Regardless of how Ishmael flips, me surviving to lynch or lose is never good for village's ability to think clearly.
Well, I'm not going to get anything out of Jarema.
Unvote; Vote: Riedquat, I find his posts today to not nullify any suspicion I had on him.
Pizza, you or myself.
Haha! I understand your reading of me, do not agree in every point but your point of view is understandable. In the post you mention I'm distancing from Ishmael I thought you were going to think exactly that when writing it, but my feelings about that post are exactly those.
And about acting townie, well... this is the way I roll... always, as town or mafia... I think? Correspond to others judge that.
I'm fine going after Ishmael but I agree he has some good points, I know you are completely wrong about me, so the what if you are completely wrong about him too, keeps popping out in my mind, there is a lot of people saying nothing and that worries me more than your accusation.
This post in particular - the understanding part of it specifically is something mafia like to do as it is not antagonistic and allows acknowledgement but also deflection.
It has been quite some time since I've played with Riedquat, but I think I'm right. Him, Ishmael are both good lynches I feel.
El Barto
06-10-2014, 02:35
Can I still talk and stuff?
OP doesn't say anything about it.
Yes, yes, if you must.
What happens if Bladescape doesn't post/vote today?
He'll be replaced. Probably by one of the two dingi quoted above.
This is a bad argument. Zack was the must-murder last night, he was never getting lynched this game due to the lack of village PMs.
Assume that for the moment, zack is village, pizza is village, you're village, and Ishmael is village. Your top suspects then?
Last edited by Askthepizzaguy; 06-07-14 at 01:05 AM. Reason: In fact, I'm skipping analysis of Zack. It doesn't even need to be said.
Because I said I didn't get a PM? Like a scumbag's never done that before? Smells likes PIS to me.
Riedquat
06-10-2014, 03:18
Well, I'm not going to get anything out of Jarema.
Unvote; Vote: Riedquat, I find his posts today to not nullify any suspicion I had on him.
Pizza, you or myself.
Know what? Now I'm suspicious of me too, Vote: Riedquat Tomorrow lynch Ishmael, and nobody would need to deal with wolfquat in any other round!
Know what? Now I'm suspicious of me too, Vote: Riedquat Tomorrow lynch Ishmael, and nobody would need to deal with wolfquat in any other round!
Vote for literally anyone but yourself, please. That goes for everyone.
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2014, 06:43
Because I said I didn't get a PM? Like a scumbag's never done that before? Smells likes PIS to me.
Maybe you have urinal cakes in your nostrils.
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2014, 07:25
I like how Reidquat is totally willing to lynch Ishmael, like, someday? But not before self-owning.
That's pretty kewl. It's a really unorthodox way of hunting scums.
Bladescape
06-10-2014, 10:38
Know what? Now I'm suspicious of me too, Vote: Riedquat Tomorrow lynch Ishmael, and nobody would need to deal with wolfquat in any other round!
This stinks.
Mucho apologies for the absence, as Pizza said it was announced clearly on GITP but I forgot to mention it here and didn't realise how fast things would go here.
A quick Vote:Ishmael read for me right now. Sick so I probably won't go too in depth until later.
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2014, 11:05
Praise be to bladescape, holy defender against the wrath of.... of...
Well, El Barto I suppose.
Riedquat
06-10-2014, 13:31
I like how Reidquat is totally willing to lynch Ishmael, like, someday? But not before self-owning.
That's pretty kewl. It's a really unorthodox way of hunting scums.
Letting me here round after round barking in each one I'm scum but still keeping me alive to start over in the next round doesn't help anyone except the scum, the truth is I'm f'king annoyed because regardless of Ishmael's role, tomorrow you are going to start it again how wolfie I am and blah blah blah... so what is the point of this exercise on futility from my part?
So, unvote. Don't expect further participation from me.
Askthepizzaguy
06-10-2014, 15:04
Melodrama!~
Double A
06-10-2014, 18:09
Lynch me tomorrow if I am wrong.
Has anyone else noticed that when Pizza's wrong and we do this, we only lynch him when he's town?
Yes. Of course you have. And so has Pizza. Also, he knows we know, so it's a WIFOM. I advocate lynching him on principle.
I need to be murdered tonight to prevent shenanigans, so if everyone could be on record as thinking Askthepizzaguy is an obvious villager, that would probably tilt things that way.
Regardless of how Ishmael flips, me surviving to lynch or lose is never good for village's ability to think clearly.
I have a strong scum vibe on you after reading this post.
In fact, stronger feeling of you being scum that I ever had.
You like to wave your big, diamond balls (or "crystal used in lightsabers"*) in front of town, dont you?
It is exactly how I've seen scummy Pizza behaving before.
I say we should lynch him.
Unvote; vote: ATPG
PS
Pizza, you said more than once that you want us to realy try to read you. Now, I am realy trying.
El Barto
06-11-2014, 02:11
DAY TWO
Ishmael was lynched.
Riedquat: Visorslash (1)
Ishmael: Askthepizzaguy; edse; Bladescape (3)
Askthepizzaguy: Ishmael; Jarema (2)
Abstain: Riedquat (1)
Not voting: TFT (1)
List of players:
1. Double A LYNCHED DAY ONE, Innocent
2. Kumquat
3. Askthepizzaguy
4. edse
5. TFT
6. Jarema
7. Bladescape
8. Ishmael LYNCHED DAY TWO, Innocent
9. Zack KILLED NIGHT ONE, Innocent
10. Visorslash
It is now Night Two. Posting is still allowed.
This phase will last:
What, my 'innocent' isn't in bold font? I'm wounded.
Seriously though, lynch ATPG tomorrow. Don't let him worm his way out of it - he's mafia.
Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2014, 12:06
Have I got some disappointing news for you. :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2014, 12:10
So, tell you what, I think I'll also be melodramatic and go on strike.
I won't help the town team win since I'm the next lynch.
Ordinarily I'd dig deep and pull a rabbit out of my hat but there's little point in it for me, because (a) I'm basically half of the town's analysis and activity anyway, and (b) too many confirmed innocents want me dead, so let's let that happen.
not nice :)
as you well know, IF you are town, you can still help us even if we lynch you. We will analyze your words after your death.
So, at least tell us who are your two main suspects (or one) before you die
and I understand whay you may want to be lazy, but I am angry at you anyway, 'cause I am going to die in your game :)
Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2014, 12:45
not nice :)
as you well know, IF you are town, you can still help us even if we lynch you. We will analyze your words after your death
So how does that work, exactly?
Tell me how you feel town can win after it lynches villager pizzaguy.
Give me all the scenarios where town wins after a third villager lynch in a row in a 10 player game.
Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2014, 12:46
This is how town wins: You swallow the fact that I'm still a villager.
This is how town loses: You lynch any villager next round.
Math.
Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2014, 13:01
Here's your pre-mortem post-mortem.
Town lost because town chose who died and town chose incorrectly.
Ishmael 1 (TFT)
Double A 3 (Ishmael; Zack; Askthepizzaguy) LYNCHED
Jarema 1 (Riedquat)
Visorslash 1 (Jarema)
Riedquat 1 (Double A)
Askthepizzaguy 1 (Visorslash)
Not voting, edse, Bladescape (2)
Riedquat: Visorslash (1)
Ishmael: Askthepizzaguy; edse; Bladescape (3)
Askthepizzaguy: Ishmael; Jarema (2)
Abstain: Riedquat (1)
Not voting: TFT (1)
Next: Zack or Double A rejoins the game, both think I'm scum. That's all she wrote.
We'd have a chance if all the pizza-is-scum people remained dead. Instead, the zombies will arrive and carry off pizza's brains.
The mafia will continue to vote off-wagon and be Visorslash.
Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2014, 13:04
D'aww I said I wasn't going to contributed and I still contributed.
Pizza lied, lynch pizza.
Vote: ATPG I'm convinced.
What do the colours represent Pizza? Seeing my name in bolder black is unsettling.
I think we should lynch Jarema tomorrow.
I actually voted AA D1, but it must have been after the deadline.
Still we have more information to look at.
Noticeably Ishmael being innocent, ATPG pushed Ishmael hard, and TFT pushed Ishmael hard both days.
Riedquat and ATPG both had 'drama' moments. Now, Riedquat, I'm unsure of what to believe. Ishmael flipping town makes me believe Riedquat might be town. ATPG's 'drama' is what he does as scum, seen it before (masquerade anyone?), especially after pushing two town lynches hard.
Out of the seven left, I want to hear from edse and bladescape the most, as they have missed a day here.
Riedquat: I thought he was scum initially, and I'm still not sure now, but both he and ATPG are not scum together. Unlikely they both have 'drama' as wolves. Hesistant town lean.
Bladescape: If he is mafia he is the inactive partner. Null so far.
Edse: Similar to TFT, mostly about Ishmael, pushing the lynch, though he did mention he thought Jarema was scum with him. Null.
Jarema: Town. His early game is comparable to what I expect from town Jarema, and his posts recently are big town tells for Jarema, and I like his post against Pizza.
TFT: TFT didn't post here, but he did post on GITP, I don't know how he plays as scum, but he has barely had any interaction with anyone besides Ishmael (small AA discussion).
Pizza: Pushed hard for Ishmael and AA. Did his drama act.
What do the colours represent Pizza? Seeing my name in bolder black is unsettling.
I think we should lynch Jarema tomorrow.
No, I don't think we should. Jarema is highly highly likely to be a townie.
Edse is actually pretty similar to Bladescape - painful situation to be in, to try and guess their alignment.
I think Riedquat is town too, on reread. The Ishmael flip and his drama is more likely to make him town.
Pizza must go.
Riedquat
06-11-2014, 14:34
I tend to think Atpg is more town than you Visor, he has been terrible all game long so far but it seems he keeps thinking I'm scum, (by the bolded text?), every game I played with Pizza at one point or another he always accuses me of being scum, some times he has been right of course, many others not so. But he always point out me, perhaps something about his dyslexia and my name, who knows... but you Visor? You know better of my lack of play style to come forward with I'm convinced he must be scum...
Now, voting at night is a sweet detail too... because it is night, you know it, right?
Perhaps I got everything wrong and Atpg has been playing with us as many of you think, but he has been the only one playing with us?
Bladescape
06-11-2014, 14:41
Apologies for my inactivity, but this game start actually came up at a worse moment for me than I expected, so my focus isn't really on any game. Which sucks because there are a lot of games I want to focus on. Luckily Semester end comes up in a bit over a week, which doesn't help when games might be over by then.
So quick analysis of what I see so far:
I don't like the drama of Ried, but I don't know what to base that on with having so little knowledge of him. His voting history/interaction makes me think he really shouldn't be tossed up for lynch so much though just because I don't quite see what people are seeing in him being a mafia.
ATPG is at one of those points where I can't really place town vs scum at the current moment. I have an idea but no real solid thesis.
But you know who I really don't like on review?
TFT.
Visor and Edse I have nothing on right now. Read through Visor and something's niggling me but I'd need time to review what I've seen already to catch what it is.
Jarema I don't like but not willing to push yet.
Askthepizzaguy
06-11-2014, 14:47
Lol
Visor, name a game other than Maskerade where I did "drama" as a wolf.
I'm usually a villager when I do "drama".
He picks one thing I did in one game as a wolf and what I do in half my village games and presto, the most unreliable pizza scumtell of all time.
Whips it out precisely the moment I accuse him.
We got him boys.
Well, I got him. The rest of you can lynch me and most of you will lose in so doing.
Visor, name a game other than Maskerade where I did "drama" as a wolf.
KOTOR. Same host.
That said, I wouldn't complain about a Visor lynch.
To expand, Pizza being dramatic is not a good reason to vote him because he is always dramatic.
Lol
Visor, name a game other than Maskerade where I did "drama" as a wolf.
argh, I am so bad at remembering details.
but in one of the games I hosted, when you were scum, you did exactly the same (unfortunately, I cannot recall name of the game)
To expand, Pizza being dramatic is not a good reason to vote him because he is always dramatic.
but he is dramatic in different ways. This time, it is like he wants to point at this post after game and tell us: 'am I not the ballsiest villain ever?'
We will not lynch Pizza tomorrow. We won't even consider it as it would only distract us.
Visorslash says Jarema isn't scum so I'll have to believe him. Visorslash himself on the other hand, he could be mafia. One of the newcomers is probably mafia too. The dice says it's TFT.
Double A
06-11-2014, 18:32
To expand, Pizza being dramatic is not a good reason to vote him because he is always dramatic.
Well obviously. I also don't want to kill him because he was wrong (if he's townie). I'm generally in favor of letting Pizza live longer so I can half-assedly analyze him better, but when the majority of the town starts to eat out of his hand and stops thinking independently? That's generally a Bad Thing.
Whenever he does the "lynch x and if I'm wrong lynch me too" thing I get worried because it's always a huge waste of time. I can't remember him ever catching a mafioso with that method, and then we actually do lynch him unless he convinces everyone to give him another chance. It's all very complicated and doesn't really ever get anyone anywhere.
Double A
06-11-2014, 18:36
I don't know if Pizza would've pushed for my lynch if he were mafia. The only strategical reason he would do is to save a partner, which is pretty unlikely. I'm not always active, and Pizza doesn't like to metagame. I think he just did it for the hell of it. Thing is, he would totally do that no matter which team he were on.
Goddammit Pizza I hate analyzing you. I just run in mental circles.
Why have edse and pizza protected each other all game?
And am I ever going to be replaced into the game?
I'm so sorry guys, work was brutal because we did our first big summer event (I work in catering during the summer, and we made food for 750 people for 3 meals. Not very fun.). I should have at least taken the 5 minutes to look at the game and vote, and for that I apologize. I'll take some time out tonight to look into this game more in depth, but needless to say there's something we're missing.
El Barto
06-12-2014, 03:20
Oh, don't get too worked up over it, TFT. I'm very lax on it. All I ask in return for my forgiveness is your soul, to be purchased by my associate Milhouse.
What, my 'innocent' isn't in bold font? I'm wounded.
No bold for you! Come back, one year!
Anyway, I strenuously deny that I was caught watching South Park, and now I'll do my update.
El Barto
06-12-2014, 03:39
NIGHT TWO
The townsmen awoke to find that Bladescape was neither mafia nor alive.
List of players:
1. Double A LYNCHED DAY ONE, Innocent
2. Kumquat
3. Askthepizzaguy
4. edse
5. TFT
6. Jarema
7. Bladescape KILLED NIGHT TWO, Innocent
8. Ishmael LYNCHED DAY TWO, Innocent
9. Zack KILLED NIGHT ONE, Innocent
10. Visorslash
It is now Day Three. Vote for a lynch in bold.
This phase will last:
So Pizza kills Bladescape to be sure that he won't be replaced. Clear as sausage liquid as they say in Sweden.
Riedquat
06-12-2014, 17:04
So... Pizza, Visor or somebody else? TFT? Edse? Me? Jarema? Personally I'm going to vote against Visor when time comes, for the reasons I mentioned in my nightly post, but I also want to hear others opinion, so... hello?
Askthepizzaguy
06-13-2014, 03:32
Vote: Edse
Vote: Edse
I thought Visor and Riedquat were the mafia?
Askthepizzaguy
06-13-2014, 07:54
Even if they were, Edse's about to ensure town doesn't win. At this point, misreading my alignment is an offense punishable by death, Zack.
So Pizza kills Bladescape to be sure that he won't be replaced. Clear as sausage liquid as they say in Sweden.
Even if they were, Edse's about to ensure town doesn't win. At this point, misreading my alignment is an offense punishable by death, Zack.
...bladescape was my maf suspicion. Crap.
I'm going to vote:edse to get him to talk a bit, I'll be analyzing in the next couple of hours.
Askthepizzaguy
06-13-2014, 08:08
...bladescape was my maf suspicion. Crap.
I'm going to vote:edse to get him to talk a bit, I'll be analyzing in the next couple of hours.
I'll keep an open mind.
@edse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94317)-
Talk to me, edse. Talk to me like you're a townie. Tell me of your villageriness in the way that transcends investigation results and all rational logic, as you did so long ago.
12-14-12, y'all.
vote: ATPG
I still think you are scum. Reasons like before
I'll keep an open mind.
@edse (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94317)-
Talk to me, edse. Talk to me like you're a townie. Tell me of your villageriness in the way that transcends investigation results and all rational logic, as you did so long ago.
12-14-12, y'all.
Really, Pizza, really? I thought you'd be able to notice the tone in my post :laugh4:
I wasn't really serious, if so I would have added a vote on you. I was only stating an obvious way of framing you. In fact, the Swedish idiom I used is the equivalent to "clear as a day" but sausage liquid isn't clear at all (stupid Swedes).
Vote: TFT and Visorslash. Maybe it's Riedquat instead of TFT but whatever, I'm OMGUSing.
I tend to think Atpg is more town than you Visor, he has been terrible all game long so far but it seems he keeps thinking I'm scum, (by the bolded text?), every game I played with Pizza at one point or another he always accuses me of being scum, some times he has been right of course, many others not so. But he always point out me, perhaps something about his dyslexia and my name, who knows... but you Visor? You know better of my lack of play style to come forward with I'm convinced he must be scum...
Now, voting at night is a sweet detail too... because it is night, you know it, right?
Perhaps I got everything wrong and Atpg has been playing with us as many of you think, but he has been the only one playing with us?
I'm sorry, but I honestly don't understand this?
@Pizza
History of Violence another example. Masquerade being the most recent.
Riedquat
06-13-2014, 13:52
I'm sorry, but I honestly don't understand this?
I don't understand anything at this point... but what exactly you don't get from my post? One thing was you were voting at night, and the other a sort of belated omgus suspicion about you from my part, the whys? Probably because I truly believe you are really good reading me as townie, so your certainty in your accusation on me fired some alarms...
So Pizza, how exactly you passed from wanting my head in a pike to vote for edse? O.o
Even if they were, Edse's about to ensure town doesn't win. At this point, misreading my alignment is an offense punishable by death, Zack.
So you're voting for edse based on a half-joking post that voices suspicion of you (and he didn't even vote)? That's it? Not because you think he's mafia, but because he dared to suggest that you might not be town? Rather narcissistic, and not very helpful.
Double A
06-13-2014, 19:46
At this point, misreading my alignment is an offense punishable by death, Zack.
Would the Queen of Hearts kindly give Pizza his account back?
Riedquat
06-13-2014, 21:21
Six hours to go and the amount or lack of discussion is dis-courageous...
1. Kumquat
2. Askthepizzaguy
3. edse
4. TFT
5. Jarema
6. Visorslash
Tally so far:
Edse: 2 (Atpg, TFT)
Atpg: 1 (jarema)
TFT: 1 (edse)
Not voting: kumquat and Visor
I'm listening more to the dead than to the living ones and I think the consensus is we all are really clueless... Good game Bartito!
The last hours the voice inside my head has been really silent and I'm doubting of my previous conclusion about Visor, instead another doubt is rising, TFT... a pressure vote on edse and then ten hours of nothing.
So for now I will tie edse and TFT, vote: TFT
Yes, I know what you think and you are wrong!
Edse: 3 (Atpg, TFT, Visor)
Atpg: 1 (jarema)
TFT: 2 (edse, riedquat)
Believe the round is over.
El Barto
06-14-2014, 03:19
DAY THREE (Endgame)
The men decided to kill edse. He proved to be an innocent townsman.
edse: Askthepizzaguy; TFT; Visorslash
Askthepizzaguy: Jarema
TFT: edse; Riedquat
After that, our records go a bit sketchy, as the GM was busy watching South Park on Comedy Central in preparation for his upcoming exams, but it is known that the mafia killed one of the remaining townsmen and enslaved the other two…
List of players:
1. Double A LYNCHED DAY ONE, Innocent
2. Kumquat Innocent
3. Askthepizzaguy Innocent
4. edse LYNCHED DAY THREE, Innocent
5. TFT Mafia WINNER
6. Jarema Innocent
7. Bladescape KILLED NIGHT TWO, Innocent
8. Ishmael LYNCHED DAY TWO, Innocent
9. Zack KILLED NIGHT ONE, Innocent
10. Visorslash Mafia WINNER
The game is over, the Mafia have won.
Congratulations, Visorslash and TFT!
http://www.quicktopic.com/50/H/jSjwvfdTw3MDk
Quicktopic.
Thanks for the game Takhisis and thanks TFT for being a good partner.
Well played town.
The Zack Nightkill was as ATPG pointed out, because of his PM post he made at the start of day 1.
El Barto
06-14-2014, 03:31
…If nobody objects, I could run another game starting… well, whenever. These don't take that much time to run.
El Barto
06-14-2014, 03:33
Also, for the record, let it be stated that Visor wanted to kill Jarema anyway. ;)
I thought it was ATPG/Visorslash. I guess I read too much into Pizza assuming I was innocent, which is why I suspected him.
EDIT: I should clarify that I wasn't at all confident, which is why I didn't push for anyone's lynch. I wouldn't have been surprised at anyone being mafia.
EDIT2: Also, for the love of God, at least send a PM that says "the game has started, if you haven't gotten a PM you're a vanilla townie."
I thought it was ATPG/Visorslash. I guess I read too much into Pizza assuming I was innocent, which is why I suspected him.
I've never been mafia with ATPG, surprisingly.
Double A
06-14-2014, 04:02
EDIT2: Also, for the love of God, at least send a PM that says "the game has started, if you haven't gotten a PM you're a vanilla townie."
No Zack you need to use reverse psychology on Tak.
No Zack you need to use reverse psychology on Tak.
waves hand
Do not give me one million dollars.
Riedquat
06-14-2014, 04:41
Uhu! Kumquat was right about both of you! Congratulations!
El Barto
06-14-2014, 05:58
No Zack you need to use reverse psychology on Tak.
Does that mean that you need no Zacks to use reverse psychology on me?
Great, the two people I explicitly ruled as townie were mafia. Well played.
Bladescape
06-14-2014, 06:23
Apologies for my inactivity, but this game start actually came up at a worse moment for me than I expected, so my focus isn't really on any game. Which sucks because there are a lot of games I want to focus on. Luckily Semester end comes up in a bit over a week, which doesn't help when games might be over by then.
So quick analysis of what I see so far:
I don't like the drama of Ried, but I don't know what to base that on with having so little knowledge of him. His voting history/interaction makes me think he really shouldn't be tossed up for lynch so much though just because I don't quite see what people are seeing in him being a mafia.
ATPG is at one of those points where I can't really place town vs scum at the current moment. I have an idea but no real solid thesis.
But you know who I really don't like on review?
TFT.
Visor and Edse I have nothing on right now. Read through Visor and something's niggling me but I'd need time to review what I've seen already to catch what it is.
Jarema I don't like but not willing to push yet.
I am sad I didn't have more time to participate in this game. : (
Double A
06-14-2014, 07:19
Does that mean that you need no Zacks to use reverse psychology on me?
Yes and/or no.
congratulations, mafia. well played
Askthepizzaguy
06-14-2014, 10:18
Sorry, combo of being sick and needing to go back to work today meant I was never even going to come back and see Edse's response. Wouldn't have mattered unless it was a landslide on someone.
Sorry, didn't see the joking nature of his post either.
Also, kind of lost my Want It More, too many villagers thinking I am mafia has that effect on me. If I'm a villager and enough villagers think I'm scum I lose a lot of care.
It's my achilles heel. I typically deal with it better when I'm scum, except in very rare instances.
Called it that Visor was scum during the night. Would have voted him in the morning if not for Edse's post.
Wouldn't have caught TFT, so willing to call a spade a spade on that.
Sorry, combo of being sick and needing to go back to work today meant I was never even going to come back and see Edse's response. Wouldn't have mattered unless it was a landslide on someone.
Sorry, didn't see the joking nature of his post either.
Also, kind of lost my Want It More, too many villagers thinking I am mafia has that effect on me. If I'm a villager and enough villagers think I'm scum I lose a lot of care.
It's my achilles heel. I typically deal with it better when I'm scum, except in very rare instances.
Called it that Visor was scum during the night. Would have voted him in the morning if not for Edse's post.
Wouldn't have caught TFT, so willing to call a spade a spade on that.
Yep, I made a few silly misplays at the end, but all we needed was a bit of doubt with the townies, and I had Jarema on my side, just needed one more, and thankfully you also helped. TFT wasn't online at the end, so your vote was crucial (otherwise we would've piled onto you).
Misplays:
Possibly staying on riedquat - I did stick to my guns there, so it didn't mean too much, it was tossing up the decision to not be on the wagon, or whether I want that kind of attention by lynching two townies. (I didn't realise when day was over D1, and changed my vote after the time limit).
The drama post - I actually tend to agree with what I posted, but I wouldn't have done it in such a painfully bad way as town. I should've been hung out to dry today.
Other then that, I think I played alright.
I actually feel pigeonholed whilst playing against certain players. Jarema, Riedquat, etc. I'm assumed to be able to read them correctly all the time, and when I'm scum that doesn't really help at all.
Damn it, my fault. We should have won:wall:
GG, nice, simple game.
El Barto
06-14-2014, 23:23
Yes and/or no.
Oh… I'll just interpret that in my favour then.
Also, kind of lost my Want It More, too many villagers thinking I am mafia has that effect on me. If I'm a villager and enough villagers think I'm scum I lose a lot of care.
It's my achilles heel. I typically deal with it better when I'm scum, except in very rare instances.
Then don't play for a while and then come back. You might be a bit burned out on mafia, you've already had to put your zombie game on hold. :(
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