Ten Novices One Throne [ Youngbloods Hotseat ]

[AdmiralThrawn]

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Throughout Westeros, the cold winds are rising. From the ancient citadel of Dragonstone to the forbidding lands of Winterfell, chaos reigns as pretenders to the Iron Throne of the Seven Kingdoms stake their claims through tempest, turmoil and war. As a prophecy of doom cuts across the sky - a comet the colour of blood and flame - five factions struggle for control of a divided land. Brother plots against brother and the dead rise to walk in the night. Against a backdrop of incest, fratricide, alchemy and murder, the price of glory is measured in blood.

Hello to everyone. This is a hotseat only for youngbloods so only people who have played less than 4 hotseats ( inform us ) will be accepted. We will be using the Youngbloods submod. Enjoy !

Winning Condition

Become the King of Westeros by conquering all of it or having other Lords/Kings pledging fealty to you. Every Lord/king must pledge fealty to you in order to win this Hotseat. Only one House can win!

Read the rules !


Destroying buildings is not allowed
No more than 2 forts per region and forts need to have a garrison of at least 4 units, to limit fort spamming a bit.
No bug abuse! When you think someone has used a bug report it here and the admin will look into it.
No watchtower spam to prevent forting, admin will be the one to decide if it is or not so dont risk it.
If someone preforms a trick\move which isn't forbidden by the rules that the admin does not like, that action (if it should be allowed or not) goes to a vote and if more then half the players agree then that rule will become valid immediately. This goes for any loopholes a player may find, if you believe an action to be unlawful/possibly against the rules, consider it an illegal move and contact an Admin before making the move.
It is advisable to PM or VM the next player as you post your turn on the thread so the game moves as swiftly as possible.
If you know you will miss your turn; nominate a sub and provide them with your password. Write this on the this forum thread or inform that you will be missing and the game will probably be paused. If you miss your turn and haven't nominated a sub, you'll be skipped.
No sailing from a blockaded port without first defeating the blockading ships.
No sallying forth in a siege to deny your besieger the opportunity to sack your settlement.
Post pictures of battle odds, and results if you want.
No marrying your noble ladies to randomly generated characters or using your princesses to steal generals!
1 turn peace
Armies defeated by a player (b) that comes after the original player (a)'s turn cannot move next turn, so if Tyrell defeats a Lannister army that army cannot move next turn. - Exception: Reinforcing armies standing in defenses, even if defeated, don't lose movement points. So player 'a' is allowed to move the army that reinforced another while in a fort even if defeated by 'b'. Addendum to the same rule: no sallying out of a fort\castle which has forces which were defeated last turn. This is to make it fair for those who come last at the turn order, because they will not be able to do this.
Heroic victories are banned.
You cannot end a general or captain's turn on enemy territory... No forting in the enemy territory either only for turn 1 however.
No putting troops on to ships within ports.



House Lannister: friendofthepeople (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?98912-friendofthepeople)
House Tyrell: Lord Commander (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?98848-Lord-Commander)
House Stark: DrakeRox (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?98842-DrakeRox)
House Greyjoy: TheBlackWolf (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?98872-TheBlackWolf)
House Martel: FredIV (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?98974-FredIV)
House Arryn: Open
House Tully: Silenced Ape (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?98881-Silenced-Ape)
House of Stannis:Rampton (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?98863-Rampton)
House of Joffrey: Dead
House of Renly: Kimiko (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?98949-Kimiko)
Admin: Stannis the Mannis
Co-Admin : AdmiralThrawn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?98847-AdmiralThrawn)
Many thanks to Stannis the Mannis for without his help this Hotseast wouldn't exist.

[joerock22]

Per creator's request, here I am.

[Silenced Ape]

And so am I.

[Emrys]

I have created my account now...

[Rampton]

I'm here

[Dr Mac]

oo could I have a look at the Stannis save please :D
I believe a miracle is needed, I have a habit of turning water into wine so why not this?!?!? :D

[AdmiralThrawn]

oo could I have a look at the Stannis save please :D
I believe a miracle is needed, I have a habit of turning water into wine so why not this?!?!? :D

Is Stannis open? Mannis was admining this for awhile, and I'm not really up to date on things.

[Nymeria]

I'm here

[themzr]

here

[joerock22]

I believe Stannis played on the old forum. Whoever played last needs to put the turn here so we can get moving again.

[themzr]

Lions! http://www.filedropper.com/tnotlions20

[Dr Mac]

Is Stannis open? Mannis was admining this for awhile, and I'm not really up to date on things.
Rampton posted int he replacement thread that Stannis is open, I'd like to speak with whoever is besieging him before they kill him xD

[joerock22]

I'm Renly. Whatever you're proposing, I won't agree to it. Stannis must die. His surprise attack caused my ally to panic and inadvertently resulted in Renly getting killed. So I won't forgive Stannis. You're welcome to take over, but there will be no negotiations with me or my allies.

[Silenced Ape]

Hodor

[Silenced Ape]

Lannister's haven't been online in days...

[joerock22]

I'm posting for a replacement. This is getting ridiculous. Emrys is constantly late in every hotseat he plays in.

[themzr]

Forget that. Can we just skip him. He needs to learn a lesson and we all know how much he hates skips.

[Silenced Ape]

Let the admin decide.

[friendofthepeople]

Would be willing to take Lannister.
Long time Total War player. Will be my first hotseat.

[AdmiralThrawn]

New save sent! Remember to always PM me if you are in need of the admin, as I don't follow this thread too closely ;).

[friendofthepeople]

Tyrell up. https://www.mediafire.com/?775tdzdf621c7tu

[joerock22]

Since Tyrell has left us (see the replacement player thread), I'll ask the admin for a cleared save to sub.

Edit: I have Tyrell's cleared save and will play tomorrow night.

[joerock22]

Stannis Baratheon is dead, killed during the assault on Rook’s Rest. His faction is no more. Paxter Redwyne’s fleet defeats a Lannister fleet off the Tyrell coast.

Stark up:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwLTcU5ZQg1QaEczb1VXLS1odWs/edit?usp=sharing

Screenshots:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwLTcU5ZQg1QX3ZzNVppSVZucWM/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwLTcU5ZQg1QSXlaSXNvQzdQb0U/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwLTcU5ZQg1QWlJBSzJYRThxSmc/edit?usp=sharing
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwLTcU5ZQg1QZUxwRWF2Y2RxOFE/edit?usp=sharing

[DrakeRox]

A bug occured where Tyrell garrisoned a built fort near my armies, which were sieging Renly, forcing the armies to lift the siege. I believe that Tyrell should replay !

[themzr]

A bug occured where Tyrell garrisoned a built fort near my armies, which were sieging Renly, forcing the armies to lift the siege. I believe that Tyrell should replay !

I believe you shouldn't have left that fort un-garrisoned. Play on!

[Silenced Ape]

I disagree, let Tyrell replay.
I am not saying this because I'm at war with Renly, its because its bug abuse and I wouldn't like to do either do it or be the victim of it.

[themzr]

It's not a bug abuse. It a part of the game and it was an opportunity that was given to Tyrell to take over an unguarded fort. If the north is unfamiliar with the in-game mechanics Tyrell isn't to blame for that. It is ridiculous to limit the things Tyrell can do (not seizing a fort) just because the north doesn't understand how this game works. Every action has its consequences and here Drake is just trying to *dissmiss* them.

[joerock22]

It's Stark's own fault for leaving that fort ungarrisoned right behind him. Completely avoidable. I haven't seen this listed on any bug list (I looked at the one in the Children of Summer OP, which seemed to be pretty extensive). If I was a "victim" of this, I would blame myself for making a bad play.

I'll replay with an admin's ruling, nothing less.

[DrakeRox]

EDIT : Black Wolf (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?98848-Black-Wolf) PMed me asking to replace the Tyrell faction, if you have the cleared save send it to him joe please...

[Lord Commander]

Yeah I would like to take the faction, so send me the save if you have it, I have tried to pm Admiral but he is not online

[themzr]

Since the turn was already played why not just take it next turn Black Wolf?

[Lord Commander]

alright but I would still like to take a look at the faction, so I know what to do next turn

I would like to play it my self if I can, if my allies would recommend doing some things here at the first turn just send a pm.

[DrakeRox]

omg, you guys just can't play it fair and clean, always wants to get even a slight advantage with those dirty plays...

the turn is already played but if Black Wolf wants he can play it himself and upload the save, as I havent played yet..

[themzr]

*sigh* Are you just making a fuss because you don't want him to take that fort? Blackwolf if joe sends you the save please ask him what to do and make sure that you seize that fort unguarded near renly

[Lord Commander]

I will send Joe a pm when i get the save

[DrakeRox]

ok themzr, I already learned that no constructive discussion can come from you so I'll just wait for the admin's word

[AdmiralThrawn]

OK, I had a look at the save. This is the fort with two Stark stacks and one Arryn stack besieging? When I looked at it, it appeared that Arryn was still besieging it, meaning Stark can just re-invest it on his turn and Arryn can initiate the assault?

IF that is not the case: As for actual rule breach, it is a tough one. Were I a M2TW developer, I would have taken this out of the game, however that is neither here nor there. In the interest of fairness all players should have the right to occupy forts that are within range of their armies. I myself have fallen prey to wacky M2TW mechanics and can totally sympathize with those of you who are pissed off. However, I believe that disallowing this would be even more problematic as it makes some unoccupied forts impossible to take.

Moreover, it is not entirely unreasonable in a lore-sense. Leaving a strong defensive position to your rear completely unoccupied would allow your enemies to slip in, harass your rear, and cut off your supply lines. This would halt, or at least delay an assault.

TLDR: Tyrell's move was legal.

In the future, I would recommend leaving forts garrisoned until you have to abandon them, and keeping them further away from your lines. And sure, I'll send Black Wolf a copy of the save to look at, but the turn as it stands now is finalized.

[Silenced Ape]

A vote wouldn't be possible?

[Lord Commander]

I woud like to start playing at the next turn bacause I do not have the time to play right now, so use the save joe have uploaded so we can move on.

And Tully only have 3 units in the fort near stoney sept

[Silenced Ape]

I woud like to start playing at the next turn bacause I do not have the time to play right now, so use the save joe have uploaded so we can move on.

And Tully only have 3 units in the fort near stoney sept

Hmm, must have forgotten it. Will fix it once my turn is up. The fort is not important at the moment btw.

[AdmiralThrawn]

OK, sounds good. The 4 units thing is more to make you pay upkeep costs on forts you aren't using. Regardless, we all make mistakes so no penalty.

As for a vote, that is only done if the Admin can't decide. While I sympathize with you (I don't think any of us knew these mechanics before hand), I stand by my previous explanation for why it should be legal.

[Silenced Ape]

Not to disagree or anything, but I knew of the bug.
While playing YB IV I played as Martell, I, Renly and Tyrell (I think) was attacking Joffrey.
I was actually in an alliance with Joffrey and was going to betray Renly and Tyrell when I got the perfect chance.
Now Renly and a full stack was sieging KL, I was sieging a fort which was next to Renly. When I took the fort from Joffrey, I at the same time quit Renly's siege of KL.
Now this would be a good opportunity to betray Renly, but I didn't do it. I would allow myself to betray someone by using a "bug", it would not have been "clean" as Jaime Lannister says. I would have "used/exploited" the mechanics if I wanted too, but I didn't because I didn't find it to be the correct thing to do.

Just pointing that thing out there.

[DrakeRox]

Even not agreeing with this(cause he clearly used this bug to exploit the option of lifting my sieges without fighting them, not to block my movement) I'll play, but I request an extension

[AdmiralThrawn]

I'll allow an extension.

As I said before, I sympathize. But if we make a rule saying one cannot occupy forts when it would break a siege, it takes away a lot of tactical options under all circumstances. The admins on high have chosen not to add it to their list of bugs, and I agree with them (see my lore reasons above).

[DrakeRox]

I agree that it would take away alot of tactical options as you mentioned, but for me allowing a whole stack to escape his certain death just by throwing some shitty units you wouldn't miss on a fort that occasionaly was near the armies sieging that stack is more severe than taking away those tactical options, which aren't that many as this situation almost never occurs. And the fact that the older admins have chosen not to add it to the list of bugs isn't a surprise as there is a lot of bugs and essential rules that aren't mentioned even on GS HSs(as example, the bug of surrounding an agent, the navy bug, the yoyo army bug), something that I as a GS member am looking to fix. And also new bugs are found every day, thanks to this M2TW engine.

Luckily Renly won't escape because of that but even then it take away alot of tactical options of mine since I will have to leave my armies there cause Arryn comes after Stark on the turn order.

I respect your decision and your arguments are surely valid. Just wanted to express my opinion.

[DrakeRox]

Greyjoy - http://www.mediafire.com/download/ctkh46dchern4zv/TNOT_Greyjoy_20.sav

Renly Baratheon is dead, now his bastard nephew sits on the Iron Throne but will soon join him on the grave too. All the Lords that insists on suporting this Bastard King and his silly war will die too, there will be no more offers of peace.

https://i272.photobucket.com/albums/jj194/vitor_fg/o_zps37b809b2.png

[themzr]

Ummmm isn't arryn supposed to play his own turn now?

[joerock22]

Drake has never cared about that (but he criticizes me for not playing fairly).

[themzr]

Greywind asked to be Arryn at least two weeks ago but you keep subbing Arryn DrakeRox, why is that?

[Silenced Ape]

Firstly try to find out if Greywind is still here before you start talking shit.
If I am correct, he has left a few HSs.

[DrakeRox]

Guys, inform yourselves before starting to flame me. GreyWind is no longer playing WTW Hotseats.

I'll just begin to ignore you two since you are behaving like kids criticizing me for every damn thing that happens on this hotseat.

[themzr]

Guys, inform yourselves before starting to flame me. GreyWind is no longer playing WTW Hotseats.

I'll just begin to ignore you two since you are behaving like kids criticizing me for every damn thing that happens on this hotseat.
I can criticize you for things you do on other hotseats too, if you want :laugh4:
And I think Nymeria quit all WTW hotseats, look at Greywind's last post in TNOT in the twc forum he said he definitely wanted to take Arryn now.

[joerock22]

After thinking about it, I have decided to withdraw from this hotseat. This has gotten so contentious that it’s no longer fun. A good part of that is my fault. For example, I looked at my last post and thought “really? I said that? (what a jerk).”

So someone can take over for me, or we can end this and call Stark the winner. I really don’t care anymore. Playing this has become a chore rather than enjoyable. I believe it’s possible for me to win if we keep playing (and loyalties stay the way they are), but it’s just not worth it to me.

To DrakeRox, I say that I hope there are no hard feelings. I regret some of the things I’ve said, so I hope we can move on from here and play against each other with respect in the future.

[AdmiralThrawn]

I agree with joerock that this has been getting out of hand. From this point on any unsportsmanlike posts shall be deleted.

As for continuing the HS, Mannis seems to have quit being main admin, and most of the players are gone. As such, let's put it to a vote. VM me your thoughts and I will tally the votes in 24 hours.

[SoulGamesInc]

Mannis is MIA and wont be around. :p
If you guys need replacements, PM me with what you need Thrawn and i'll add them here - https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?147519-The-Mods-Watch-Hotseat-Recruiting-27-spots-available

[AdmiralThrawn]

OK, so it is just about unanimous that we want to continue. Like I said before, so more bickering over this shall be tolerated.

[Silenced Ape]

Is Greyjoy still up?

[DrakeRox]

Yes

[TheBlackWolf]

Back now and playing my turn

[TheBlackWolf]

Renly up

13265

[Lord Commander]

I have Changed my name because there was some confusion, so please update the OP.

It was Black Wolf before.

[Silenced Ape]

Hodor

[DrakeRox]

I believe that joerock left, so we need a sub.

[AdmiralThrawn]

Which ally can sub him? PM me and I'll send a cleared save.

[Kimiko]

Tully Up https://www.mediafire.com/?9mfaja31p888dr1

[Silenced Ape]

Martell - https://www.mediafire.com/?zd619c23ryh7rze

Martell seems to be gone so we need a new Martell.

[AdmiralThrawn]

Can anybody sub him? I'll post in the replacement thread, but it could take awhile.

[Lord Commander]

I Can sub, i Think he is allied to me and renly

[Lord Commander]

13353 Lannister up

[Lord Commander]

Bump

[FredIV]

I want to play a faction. I'm not sure which are open.

[friendofthepeople]

13374
Sorry guys. Time got away from me.

[FredIV]

I'm the new Martell player. Allies please PM what the situation is.

[Lord Commander]

13395 stark up
the lannister fleet has been destoyed.
13396 13397

[DrakeRox]

Played my turn and subbed Arryn. Greyjoy up - http://www.mediafire.com/download/o15et9tev3gv9b5/TNOT_Greyjoy_21.sav

Small Tyrell fort taken, overwhelming odds.

[TheBlackWolf]

Renly up

13402

[Kimiko]

https://www.mediafire.com/?o2gxxkofcvjub81
Tully Up

[Silenced Ape]

Martell up - https://www.mediafire.com/?5k7a4va6cea5kqu

[Silenced Ape]

Hodor

[DrakeRox]

I suggest his allies sub him !! @Kimiko (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=98949) @Lord Commander (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=98848) AdmiralThrawn

[AdmiralThrawn]

OK, we're heading back to the old forum! Cya all there!

[AdmiralThrawn]

I need everyone to sound off in the old forum thread please so we can PM you.

http://www.filedropper.com/tnotlannister23