Should there be a Hellenistic Polis building in Syrakousai?

[QuintusSertorius]

I'll readily admit that while I like the new culture development mechanics, I don't really understand them at all. Even after reading the building browser. I feel like some of the requirements are missing or there's too much cross-referencing/nested requirements for me to grasp what's needed.

Either way, Syrakousai has no Hellenistic Poleis building in it. In spite of being Greek and having 70% Hellenistic Polities already. Other Greek-founded settlements I've taken (like Massalia and Emporion) have small Poleis buildings, which will no doubt eventually be upgrade-able. But Syrakousai has none.

Is that an error?

[QuintusSertorius]

I think it's a simple omission in the descr_strat.txt - the building was left out. Same goes for Olbia.

[QuintusSertorius]

Here is Emporiton, which has the Minor Hellenistic Poleis next to Independent Region on the top row:

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpf1/t1.0-9/10432127_10154524149270317_1307651762618474610_n.jpg

Now here is Syrakousai, the greatest metropolis of Megale Hellas, yet no Hellenistic Poleis building:

https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10647200_10154524201260317_5985614931261037814_n.jpg?oh=82c7f35a5e2e9b3dd2d1f88dd6f3b7c0&oe=54649F6C&__gda__=1417537146_7c06edfefc8fde45a39bce307f3026f7

[QuintusSertorius]

Some others that may have been overlooked too:

Olbia:

https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10441065_10154524200990317_8739683238214529384_n.jpg?oh=359c40216e9a727a53fa8af20ef7f363&oe=545AC700

Histria:

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10641191_10154524200945317_6062920758880907512_n.jpg?oh=8ca9602ec7afdcd4f4aaf243cfbd7a9d&oe=5477D13D

Chersonesos:

https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xpa1/v/t1.0-9/10418868_10154524200920317_1434077362120749830_n.jpg?oh=d1b781bf266c8593ccda1f54048aa470&oe=547E99CD

[joshmahurin]

I believe you are absolutely correct about this. I will look into fixing it internally and for now yeah just add:

building
{
type hinterland_hellenistic_polis polis_three
}

into the entry for Syrakousai in desc_strat.txt and probably give the rest polis_one. The same could be done for Trapezous.
paullus should probably give a final opinion

[QuintusSertorius]

Thanks for that, I wasn't sure whether anyone had seen this. It's not a "game-breaking bug" or anything, just an omission that can make development difficult for some factions.

I thought polis_three for Syrakousai (since it's huge) and polis_one for all the others sounded right.

I wasn't sure about Trapezous, but it probably should have one too, good catch.

[QuintusSertorius]

Some others that perhaps should also have a polis_one: Lilibeo (where there were definitely Greek populations in western Sicily), Messana (same again), Halikarnassos (there's an "Unknown Building Type" there - is there an error with the Hellenistic Polis?), Rhegion (doesn't appear to have one, it was part of Megale Hellas).

A tentative one - Capua? There were a number of Greek colonies around Campania.

Interestingly, Chersonesos now has one in my game, after the Bosporans took it (though I think they installed that).

[paullus]

Syrakousai should most certainly have one.

[QuintusSertorius]

Syrakousai should most certainly have one.

Excellent. Any thoughts on a polis_one in: Olbia, Chersonesos, Histria, Lilibeo, Messana, Rhegion and Halikarnassos?

[joshmahurin]

Yeah they can be built so areas with only limited Greek populations probably shouldn't automatically have one but for me cities that were founded by Greek colonists and still maintained a Greek identity in the time frame deserve one perhaps. Again this is only my opinions, Paullus is the man who knows

[QuintusSertorius]

Weird, I'm looking at the descr_strat, and Halikarnassos has an entry for a polis_one, but an "unknown building" comes up instead. Or perhaps something has gone wrong with that city in my current game?

[QuintusSertorius]

For anyone who wants to try it in a new game, I've made an updated descr_strat.txt (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?148072-Submod-Fix-Placement-of-missing-Hellenistic-Poleis).