RIP Horetore

[Hooahguy]

I am friends with Horetore on Facebook, and today I got confirmation that he has sadly passed today. He died of a sudden illness.

I was able to meet up with him while I was in Norway, and he was an extremely nice person, I will greatly miss him.

Rest in peace Erik.

:bow:

[Beskar]

When I first heard the news, I was hoping it was some prank gone wrong, and still hope it is.

Thank you for your contributions. :bow:

[rickinator9]

I have the same feeling as Tiaexz. It comes as a surprise for someone who posted 3 days ago.

Rest in peace.

:bow:

[Montmorency]

Wao.

:creep:

*Allusion to Thatcher-death-gate*

But no, he wasn't older than 28, say?

With just a few dozen active Taverners, the balance has shifted in an important way.

[Hooahguy]

I think he was 28.

I know Im one of the few here who actually knows him in real life, and I would rather remember him for how nice he was as a person than his political beliefs, regardless of his political opinions.

:bow:

[Kadagar_AV]

Wow... That's a shock!!

I also thought it was a prank, until I saw it was Hooahguy who had posted it, I know they have contact...

RIP HoreTore, I hope there is some secular communistic heaven waiting for you.

I didn't agree with him often, but at least he stood up for what he believed in and were willing to battle out any arguments made... This place will sure be a LOT more empty without him.

I honestly think he was a good teacher, and that he tried to be a good person.

You will be missed.

[Montmorency]

But we don't have that experience (for the most part), so the first impulse is to consider the consequences for the health of the Backroom.

[Husar]

I'm also very sad to hear this. Never met him face to face, but have him on FB and we actually had some long and funny encounters in the chat. Always felt like he was a friend of sorts, even though he could be annoying when he disagreed. He was one of the few if not the only one who could tell when I was joking here and that also gave me a feeling that we knew eachother well.

And yes, he was one year younger than me and I'm 29 now.

I'm sure I will miss his input. :shame:

[Kadagar_AV]

BTW, he looked exactly like what I had imagined...

I have a picture of him he openly shared, but I don't want to include his FB here... If anyone is willing and have some photodump page, I can PM the photo so we can put it here... I thought it would be a nice gesture.

[Kadagar_AV]

But we don't have that experience (for the most part), so the first impulse is to consider the consequences for the health of the Backroom.

Wow... You just sunk in my eyes... Seriously, that's your first impulse?

[Montmorency]

Wow... You just sunk in my eyes... Seriously, that's your first impulse?

Relationships have meaning, Kad.

[Hooahguy]

Goodnight Sweet Prince, we will miss you.


https://i.imgur.com/JMjaQXA.jpg

[Husar]

Wow... You just sunk in my eyes... Seriously, that's your first impulse?

I understand Montmorency and I do not think his opinion is a reason to think lower of him. Many children die in Africa every day and noone here sheds a tear because of it. Of course the death of a person does not affect everyone in the same way. Additionally I think Montmorency's views have to do with how he sees the world and I can accept that. I may not be so clever to say it so openly but let's not get into a fight over that.

[Montmorency]

I think there may be some misunderstanding here. Put simply:

Horetore's death is bad for the Org.

Whatever angle you interpret that from, it shouldn't be too controversial.

[Husar]

I think there may be some misunderstanding here. Put simply:

Horetore's death is bad for the Org.

Whatever angle you interpret that from, it shouldn't be too controversial.

You do realize that you still sound incredibly technical about something where other people expect some sort of emotion?

[Hooahguy]

Well, wherever you guys are right now, Im raising my beer to his memory.

To HoreTore, a great friend and a great Orgah.

~:cheers:

[a completely inoffensive name]

He changed the way I looked at many things. He could be insufferable at times, but I can't count the number of times where that quality about him forced me to think about issues I originally saw as self-evident all because I wanted to win the internet argument.

His death is a tragedy. I am curious as to what could have possibly killed a healthy person in their twenties in such a short time.

[Greyblades]

Upon his tall and withered hook,
Pestilence holds a heavy book,
Of all the names his pen has took,
Who in their sickbeds shook,
With pleas he did not brook,
They all would end with but a look,

See king and common adorn his page,
With no regard for rent or wage,
Or hold divide 'tween fool and sage,
They would lie upon the stage,
Their bodies now a cage,
And his key was fair in any age.

And yet, I see with but a glance,
A name is cast from his ink'd lance,
Seen once pinned to our fellow's stance,
Who played our spoken dance,
Now sets my mind in trance,
This page I can only view askance.

They say such things are but to chance,
But such I cannot brook,
I look at our company and with a glance
My rage filled mind is shook,
That in this world, this land, this mere page,
we lesser live instead of this great Sage.

I'm sorry I have nothing more than this amaturish, rushed, cheap, self indulgent poem to offer your memory HoreTore, except a wish that you find a more cheerful world in the next life.

[naut]

HoreTore, I'm glad you existed, even if it was for just a little while. Rest in peace.

[Strike For The South]

“Life is for the living.
Death is for the dead.
Let life be like music.
And death a note unsaid.”

Langston Hughes

[Tuuvi]

Wow. I don't post a whole lot so this might sound weird coming from me but I've been checking these forums everyday for years and I'm shocked and saddened to hear this news. I'm going to miss seeing HoreTore here on the forums. Rest in Peace.

[Kadagar_AV]

BTW Hooahguy, would you mind sharing the story how he died here (I've heard it but since it's Hooahguy who knew him personally I think it's his prerogative to share)...

I don't see how it can be unseemly... And I think it's worth being shared...

Even though I never met HT, we have shared ideas and often laughs for more than 10 years, almost daily... And as someone said, he was very good at making people think, and question their own truths....

This is the fourth guy I knew who died before the age of 30... It's always as shocking.

[Hooahguy]

Apparently he'd been home from work for a couple of days because his doctor advised him to get some rest. He had some sort of virus, but not the deadly kind. Just a normal cold or something. He was not terribly ill or anything. When his mother didn't hear from him in a while, she went over to his house to check on him and found him.

:sad:

[Seamus Fermanagh]

RIP, Horetore. You would probably reject the prayer, but I will pray for me missing you.

[rvg]

RIP. This is a veritable tragedy.

[Fragony]

ffs this cant be real. RIP

[Sarmatian]

I can't believe this. Rest in peace, friend. I was hoping we'd get to meet soon, but it was not to be. I can't understand what kind of a disease can cut down a man in his prime. Org will never be the same...

[Ironside]

Death takes us all. Sadly some gets taken way too early.

RIP Horetore, I'll miss your voice on the Org. :bow:

[Paltmull]

I'm so sorry to hear this. I am not very active in this forum, but I've always enjoyed reading HoreTore's posts and thought he seemed like an intelligent and interesting person. It is always unfair and tragic when someone dies young. RIP HoreTore, you will be missed.

[Sir Moody]

RIP Horetore, the backroom will never be the same.

[Crandar]

I am really sorry to hear about this. Rest in peace, HoreTore.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I was hoping this thread wouldn't be what the title said it was when I saw it on the front page.

He was always one of the most principled and honest debaters in the Backroom, and very much one of its 'characters'. And although he played such a big role in shaping the very feel of the Backroom, this will no doubt only be the tip of the iceberg when you consider his work as a teacher and the countless dozens of young minds he helped to educate (not least about the evils of postmodern philosophy!).

RIP HoreTore. :bow:

[edyzmedieval]

I'm only a lurker of the Backroom, but this is really disheartening. The Backroom will now be an emptier place.

R.I.P. Horetore. :bow:

[Gregoshi]

I never interacted with HoreTore, but I am still shocked and saddened at the news. Reading his posts in the Backroom it was apparent he was quite intelligent. He had a knack for ruffling a feather or two but it seemed base on well-founded principles rather than just to get some jollies. However for me, his true character (or my version of it) came through on those rare occasions he talked about teaching and education. It was very apparent he cared about teaching - a trait more uncommon than it should be. It was in those posts that he became a real person rather than just "HoreTore" in another Backroom debate. The picture of him is wonderful. Lucky are those of you who had the opportunity to know him better outside the Org.

RIP HoreTore. Sending sympathy and thoughts for comfort to his family, friends and students. :bow:

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

My only response is -

Holy Shit!

Can't process this right now.

[Gilrandir]

It is always a shock when someone younger than you dies. I can't boast to have been present for a long time in the backroom, so I would probably be the last person to claim any closeness of communication with him, but when we did I found support in matters of moment.
RIP Hore Tore. :bow:

[InsaneApache]

Apparently he'd been home from work for a couple of days because his doctor advised him to get some rest. He had some sort of virus, but not the deadly kind. Just a normal cold or something. He was not terribly ill or anything. When his mother didn't hear from him in a while, she went over to his house to check on him and found him.

:sad:

Blimey. I too thought it was a wind up at first, I have to say that I'm shocked. I disagreed with virtually everything he said and we had some fine run ins along the way but this is really tragic. Especially at such a young age. Funny thing the internet, you dont really know someone but you know them enough to be upset if fate deals them a crap hand. Thirty years or so ago the payroll clerk who did the staffs wages also died aged 29. I only met her once but spoke with her every week on the 'phone. She got a cold virus that somehow migrated to her heat and killed her within hours. I still think about Steph from time to time. Funny that I will miss him too.

All respect and condolences to his family and friends on here and elsewhere. R.I.P. my fellow orgah, it will be a bit emptier around here without you.

[Sarmatian]

It makes no sense. The photo is great. I've never seen him but it was immediately clear that it was HoreTore. Full of life. He was supposed to come to Serbia and stay at my place this summer but in the end couldn't. He told me that he would definitely visit in the spring.

I've been incredibly sad the entire day. It's funny how some people can influence your life without you ever realizing it. We've never met, but I feel like I've lost a dear friend, one whom I can not even mourn properly. I can't go to his funeral, I only know his first name and I don't know his adress. I'm angry now that I never asked him those things, that I didn't press him to come and visit this summer. This is the only place where I can express those feelings. I don't think anyone around me would understand just how hard this hit me. Big deal, the reaction would be. A guy you've chatted online with.

Rest in peace, Eric. I'm sorry we haven't met in person and I'm sorry I didn't get to know you better. You were a friend, however weird that may sound to anyone, and a great Orgah. I'm sorry your students will have to go on without your guidance. I'm sorry your family and friends lost you.

I do feel we should close the backroom for a mourning period. I know I will definitely stay away for a while, maybe for good.

[Fragony]

I agree with shutting down the backroom untill he has been properly buried, just off out a sign of respect thats not too much I am really going to miss that crazy commie.

Horrie adieu, would have loved to buy you a beer

[Hooahguy]

I feel the exact same way.

I had the immense pleasure of meeting up with HoreTore when I was in Norway. I met him in the late afternoon last May after I had spent the day touring Oslo. We met up in the neighboring town of Drammen, which is about a 10 minute train ride from Oslo. We had dinner at an Indian restaurant and then had drinks at the local pub before heading back to his apartment to crash for the night. In the morning we went to his school, and I gave a one hour lecture to his class about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and how I went from radically pro-Israel to much more moderate. You see, a few people in his class were going to the Balkans on a class trip the week after, and he felt that the guides on the trip would only tell one side of the story. So he brought me in to try to emphasize how important it is to look at both sides of an issue. He says I was successful in conveying that message, Im not so sure but he was the teacher so I will take his word for it. After that he walked me to the train station and we said our goodbyes, and I promised to stop by next time I was in Norway, but it seems like it was not meant to be. :shame:

He was such a nice person to be around, I really wish I could have spent more time with him but I am glad that I was able to meet him, and Ive been in a pretty bad mood ever since I heard the news last night.

There is only one picture out there of the two of us, and it is on the assistant teacher's phone (I hope she did not delete it!). Im trying to get in contact with her so I can have a copy, and when I do I will post it here.

[Rhyfelwyr]

I agree it would be a good idea to close down the Backroom for a while as a sign of respect. I doubt anybody will be in the mood for the usual wrangling at this point in time.

[Kadagar_AV]

Sarmatian, I know what you mean... I've been quite down all day... and last night I sorely wished I had some alcohol at home... :(

And yes, that photo is great (post #12 if anyone missed it). It's exactly how I imagined he would look, and it's taken where he was most at home (teaching). I seriously think he must have been a great teacher.

I don't know if we should shut down the BR though... I don't want to drink alone!! I would fully support some memorial text up top though, or something like that... I think I remember seeing it when Tosa died...

Yeah, this definitely shook me... We have both posted almost daily for more than 10 years... You really feel like you get to know a person then.

[HopAlongBunny]

RIP Horetore

Blessings upon your family and friends; you're levelheaded commentary will be missed at the .Org

[Hooahguy]

It's exactly how I imagined he would look, and it's taken where he was most at home (teaching). I seriously think he must have been a great teacher.

He was. Before I began my lecture he talked for a little bit to his class, and you could tell that he commanded the respect of his students.

Strangely enough though, on his school's web page (and facebook page as well) there is nothing mentioning his passing.

[Viking]

Damn. That's shocking and downright disturbing.

I didn't know the guy beyond the Backroom, but this is sad.

[Crandar]

Strangely enough though, on his school's web page (and facebook page as well) there is nothing mentioning his passing.
School sites are just for show (at least here, but probably the same is true for Norway); my guess is the last time it was updated was when it was built.

[Hooahguy]

School sites are just for show (at least here, but probably the same is true for Norway); my guess is the last time it was updated was when it was built.
Updated yesterday for this school. :wink:

Anyways, talked to one of his fellow teachers, she said she would try to find that picture.

[Kralizec]

I read this thread early this morning. Going by the thread title only, I at first assumed it was something entirely different and the title was a jab at HoreTore. I was seriously disturbed when I read that it was serious, and was hoping to find out at the end of the day that it had been some misguided joke. Alas.

Truthfully while I appreciated him I wasn't that close with him myself. People who were his friends or family have my deepest sympathies. Since slightly over a year ago, I have personal experience with losing a personal (real life) friend.

Closing the backroom (this thread excepted) would be appropriate. I won't be posting anywhere else for a while.

[rory_20_uk]

Bloody hell - that was sudden!

I hope it was painless.

~:smoking:

[a completely inoffensive name]

I'm still in shock. Everyone here is amazing and I hope you all live healthy and long lives. I also approve of closing the backroom to honor him.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I feel the exact same way.

I had the immense pleasure of meeting up with HoreTore when I was in Norway. I met him in the late afternoon last May after I had spent the day touring Oslo. We met up in the neighboring town of Drammen, which is about a 10 minute train ride from Oslo. We had dinner at an Indian restaurant and then had drinks at the local pub before heading back to his apartment to crash for the night. In the morning we went to his school, and I gave a one hour lecture to his class about the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, and how I went from radically pro-Israel to much more moderate. You see, a few people in his class were going to the Balkans on a class trip the week after, and he felt that the guides on the trip would only tell one side of the story. So he brought me in to try to emphasize how important it is to look at both sides of an issue. He says I was successful in conveying that message, Im not so sure but he was the teacher so I will take his word for it. After that he walked me to the train station and we said our goodbyes, and I promised to stop by next time I was in Norway, but it seems like it was not meant to be. :shame:

He was such a nice person to be around, I really wish I could have spent more time with him but I am glad that I was able to meet him, and Ive been in a pretty bad mood ever since I heard the news last night.

There is only one picture out there of the two of us, and it is on the assistant teacher's phone (I hope she did not delete it!). Im trying to get in contact with her so I can have a copy, and when I do I will post it here.

I too am a teacher. I assure you you helped his class. There is something about listening to somebody who is a) not the same talking head who is usually running the class, and b) deeply interested/personally involved in their topic that makes the whole thing more compelling.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

I've been thinking about this today, it's weird. I think the only time we ever agreed on anything was when we were faced with a complete nutjob here who needed to be locked up.

I disagreed with his politics and I'm still angry about what he said on Armistice Day.

To be fair though, he was consistent in his beliefs - even his complete disdain for soldiers and members of the armed forces.

I think, basically, he passed what I have decided to call my "in a ditch" test. If I was lying naked in a ditch I think he's the kind of person who would have helped me - and not everyone would.

His absence is going to have a daily impact on my life, and despite how angry he made me I think the world is a worse place without him in it.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I reveled in the anger he drew from me, for the same reason I force myself to watch Chris Mathews and Rachel Maddow. You do not learn from hearing an endless chorus singing the praises of your current beliefs. Horetore (Erik) taught me. I was always deeply grateful for that even as he drove me to distraction on any number of issues. Like Red Harvest or Tribesman, he always made me THINK about my beliefs and question them.

Virology has much to teach us yet. Viruses are among the deadliest threats we face and they can come in at odd angles and times. One virus decided to tear apart my daughter's pancreas and leave her a diabetic. We only noticed a flu in October, not what had really happened until December.

At 50, Horetore is not the first I have interacted with to end up dead untimely. Each instance is painful. The pain of each loss is attenuated by time -- the little hole in your own life is never completely papered over though.

[Paltmull]

I can't go to his funeral, I only know his first name and I don't know his adress.

Maybe Hooahguy can help you with that?

My condolences to Sarmatian, Hooahguy and anyone else in this forum who knew him well.

[tibilicus]

My condolences to his family, friends and loved ones. RIP.

[AntiDamascus]

Aw man :( RIP HoreTore

[CountArach]

This world is so shit. He was a bright young man who clearly was incredibly principled and passionate. I'll never forget the debates we took part in, often side by side but occasionally at loggerheads and I feel that in that time I got to know him. I too had him on Facebook and even though I'm not on here too often I've kept up with his life through that.

Such a sad day. Rest in peace friend.

[ReluctantSamurai]

Mothers should never have to bury their sons in times of peace....

I didn't know him at all, and had only a few brief exchanges here in the BR. For someone as full of life as he seemed to be, to pass at 28 yrs old gives pause to someone who will reach 62 in a couple of weeks. How much time I've wasted along the way as if I'm going to live forever.....

RIP HoreTore:bow:

[Kagemusha]

The best and most talented among us are always the ones taken first from us. My condolences to his family.

Horetore was far too young to die. Travel well you old "commie", you and say hello to anyone you meet, if you run into something that was against your beliefs you had in this life. You will be missed.:bow:

[Andres]

I can't believe this.

My sincerest condolences to those who knew him more closely.

R.I.P. HoreTore.

I hope that by now, you have learned that you were wrong all the time, because that would mean there is an afterlife and that you are now there trying to convince God that he doesn't exist.

I will miss the nonsense I disagreed with and the wisdom I agreed with.

Goodbye, good man.

[Vincent Butler]

I agree, I was hoping the title of the thread did not mean what it meant. While I disagreed with most of his views, you hate to see anybody like that die. He was the same age as me, 28. Kind of sobering. It is amazing how the death of somebody you never knew, in a country far away, can affect you. I don't know what he would think, but his family has my prayers.

[Brenus]

Couldn't believe it when I saw it first...
You left for the other side of the hill...
Sad sad day...

[The Lurker Below]

Sad news indeed. The great Backroom in the beyond will enjoy his voice. RIP.

[Hooahguy]

I will be visiting Norway again in a few months, and I am planning on visiting his grave. Would people be interested in chipping in for a small memorial plaque on behalf of us here at the Org that I can place by his grave?

[Rhyfelwyr]

I will be visiting Norway again in a few months, and I am planning on visiting his grave. Would people be interested in chipping in for a small memorial plaque on behalf of us here at the Org that I can place by his grave?

Count me in.

[Sarmatian]

Of course.

[Hooahguy]

How does this one look?

http://www.plaquemaker.com/stainless-steel-sign-8x10?sc=2&category=182825

I was thinking putting a picture of his avatar in there as well.

Stainless steel so it wont rust in the harsh Norwegian winter, I hope.

[Fragony]

Sure thing

[Kralizec]

Sounds good.

[Hooahguy]

Any idea on what text to put? When I get home I'll jot some down and post them.

[Beskar]

Maybe Greyblades to pen a one paragraph summary in poetry format like he did on the previous page? (or anyone else, for that matter)

[Hooahguy]

Yeah that one is a very nice one, though maybe cut down a bit since Im not sure that would all fit on the plaque. I was also sent this poem by a member of the Norway subreddit, also a poem of his own creation:


Dreams doesn't abate,
Even if somewhat late,
Rejoice!
Rejoice evermore!
And consider it the ultimate metaphor,
The good still triumphs and soars,
To nurture and bring as yours,
A smile across oblivion,
A token of joy to you given,
Even among the dead,
They can still grant a victory shed.

[Fragony]

Six feet under like everyone ele, finally equality.

Noooo not that one. Something neutral.

[Montmorency]

How about:


All men are greater than dead men.

I think he would have liked that one.

[Kadagar_AV]

The past lies like a nightmare upon the present.

KARL MARX


:shame:

[Fragony]

My suggestion, simply 'for Loki'. Loki is old Nordish for 'he who is beloved'

[Greyblades]

Was horetore a diablo fan? maybe we could put "HoreTore, We still dont know what that means"

[Furunculus]

I'm sorry to hear this news.

[Sigurd]

My Condolences to those who knew him better than I.

I dreaded coming back to the BR after our defeat (soccer) against HoreTore's old home team. A town the size of one of our roundabouts. His home team made sure we are leaving the elite division for a lower one next year.
Knowing HoreTore's passion for fuzzba' he would have posted a lengthy mockery of this event in the BR. The game happened to coincide with the announcement of his death (26th of November) and I hope the game didn't give him a heart attack or something.

I am kinda sad that thread is not here.

[Sigurd]

Was horetore a diablo fan? maybe we could put "HoreTore, We still dont know what that means"
:sneaky:
I think that might be a little inappropriate, but he was kinda on the fringe of what is appropriate.
As you all know by now, HoreTore means Whore Thor.

[Slyspy]

Sad news indeed. Life can be cruel but death is more so.

[Hooahguy]

I was actually thinking putting his signature as part of the plaque, maybe at the bottom or something.

"Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban."

[Fragony]

Life can be so cruel that some prefere death. Am I really supposed to be the one that points out what should be pretty clear to everybody in the first place. There are no diseases that kill that fast, do I really have to suggest it.

also can do poems

http://www.poetryfoundation.org/learning/poem/175778

[Hooahguy]

I actually just received word about his cause of death from his sister. Apparently he had undiagnosed diabetes, that is all his family is willing to tell me.

[Fragony]

Excuse me for not really believing that really. I hope that's true. But I am almost always right about these things though, don't know why. I can also be absolutiy wrong.

[Hooahguy]

That is just what the family told me. Maybe something is getting lost since they might not know English as well as Erik did, but does it really matter in the end?

[Viking]

Actually, Frags, there seems to even be a name (http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-complications/dead-in-bed-syndrome.html)for it (or something similar). Google is your friend.


Dead in bed syndrome is a term used to describe the sudden unexplained deaths of young people with type 1 diabetes.

The syndrome is characterised as when someone with insulin dependent diabetes has gone to bed seemingly perfectly fine and has been found dead in an undisturbed bed.

Even if this was a forum for the world's best doctors, we do not have that much to go by, so confident conclusions seem uncalled for.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Unless you have lived with a diabetic, you cannot understand the potential severity of the condition. If undiagnosed, a high sugar in the 300s -- peeing a lot, feeling some fever/flu symptons -- combined with another largish dose of carbohydrates (like rice or the noodles in a large bowl of soup) can spike the sugar well into the 600+ range. This can literally leave the person comatose while their body self destructs.

My daughter was diagnosed as a Type I diabetic 3 days before her 7th birthday. We caught it early with her sugar "only" in the 340s. Some previously healthy teens are brought in by their parents with sugar scores in excess of 900 and require weeks of hospitalization after diagnosis.

Maybe he had the 'flu" only this one attacked his pancreas. He got better, but was then prone to "recurrent viruses" -- at least that is how you feel and what you think is happening. Then the failing pancreas shuts down....at the wrong moment....and the person living alone is no more.

Do not presume that you know "better" here. That which is unknown about viruses and their insidious attacks on the human body will eventually fill more volumes of information than that which we know.

Even if the family IS using this as a masque of some form -- I have no right to intrude further on their grief. They will all be in my prayers.

[Vincent Butler]

I was actually thinking putting his signature as part of the plaque, maybe at the bottom or something.

"Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban."

I like it. It is a plaque commemorating his relationship with The Org, after all.

[Fragony]

Actually, Frags, there seems to even be a name (http://www.diabetes.co.uk/diabetes-complications/dead-in-bed-syndrome.html)for it (or something similar). Google is your friend.



Even if this was a forum for the world's best doctors, we do not have that much to go by, so confident conclusions seem uncalled for.

apoligies

[The Outsider]

This is very sad indeed, my condolecences for his family and friends, every human life is precious but here at the org, especially the life of a fellow orgah, rest in peace my friend, where ever you lay. :bow:

[BroskiDerpman]

RIP.

Sidenote: I have to say the .Org is slipping into dire straits with the slow loss of members. :shame:

[Hooahguy]

Lets try to keep .Org politics out of this, shall we?

[Seamus Fermanagh]

RIP.

Sidenote: I have to say the .Org is slipping into dire straits with the slow loss of members. :shame:

Eventually the join rate and the loss rate will balance....sic transit gloria munde.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I was actually thinking putting his signature as part of the plaque, maybe at the bottom or something.

"Still maintain that crying on the pitch should warrant a 3 match ban."

absolutely

[Hooahguy]

I cannot believe that it has been a week since he passed away, seems like it happened just yesterday.

I've had a dream two nights now over the past week where I get a message on Facebook from him saying "what is all this :daisy: about my death?" in his usual joking manner. Then I wake up and there are no unread messages waiting for me. I wonder how often I will have this dream.

[Fragony]

I cannot believe that it has been a week since he passed away, seems like it happened just yesterday.

I've had a dream two nights now over the past week where I get a message on Facebook from him saying "what is all this :daisy: about my death?" in his usual joking manner. Then I wake up and there are no unread messages waiting for me. I wonder how often I will have this dream.

Untill you are sane again. This affects you too nuch for to be comforortable with

[Kadagar_AV]

Untill you are sane again. This affects you too nuch for to be comforortable with

Oh come on Frags... That's BS...

I am also quite disturbed by his death...

[Seamus Fermanagh]

I cannot believe that it has been a week since he passed away, seems like it happened just yesterday.

I've had a dream two nights now over the past week where I get a message on Facebook from him saying "what is all this :daisy: about my death?" in his usual joking manner. Then I wake up and there are no unread messages waiting for me. I wonder how often I will have this dream.

Is this the first untimely death you have run into personally?

[Hooahguy]

Is this the first untimely death you have run into personally?
Kind of? Ive had distant relatives pass away, and last April the father of one of my friends passed away as well, but for some reason this felt different. Maybe it was because HoreTore and I actually talked quite a bit on Facebook (besides meeting up when I went to Norway last summer).

[Papewaio]

Logged in for the first time a couple of weeks ago. I saw the thread title on the main page and thought it was either Norway was dropping its social programmes or football had yet another Hollywood dive.

Then I read the thread and was shocked and felt profoundly saddened by his untimely death. Twenty-eight is a young adult with the rest of your life at your feet. Whilst Horetore had the ability to wind me up, it was also obvious his position was heart felt and consistent with the way he did things. He would of course drop in a few sharp digs like all of us, but his ultra-left socialist do-gooder stance will be missed sorely both here in the Org and I suspect far more in Norway with his family, friends, colleagues and students.

Life is not fair, its people like Horetore who strive to make it so. It is sad that he has passed away so young.

All I can say is live each day life the way you want it to be. Do as you please, please as you do. Because news like this hits home that today may indeed be the last.

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Kind of? Ive had distant relatives pass away, and last April the father of one of my friends passed away as well, but for some reason this felt different. Maybe it was because HoreTore and I actually talked quite a bit on Facebook (besides meeting up when I went to Norway last summer).

I was 33 when my friend, age 34, died suddenly of an illness that was supposed to have killed him in infancy. I still think of him from time to time, sing "The Parting Glass" in his honor, and every once in a while have a quick cry. As an insurance agent I got to see even more...and not all of it timely. When you deliver the payment to a father for his college junior son, it hits you. When your daughter's daycare sitter and recent student dies in an accident, that hits you.

It is supposed to hurt a little, and the closer the more bent out of shape you will be -- it does not fit the order of things. Don't deny your grief or belittle your own concerns -- those honor Erik as well.

[Greyblades]

You ever think the reason gods dont show themselves is because if they did humans woild keep trying to kill them for making them capable of grief?

[Fragony]

Oh come on Frags... That's BS...

I am also quite disturbed by his death...

So am I, I am really going to miss him. But it isn't like he was friend or family,chipping in on the plate because it is a nice gesture but I would be lying if I said it hits me all that hard. I am really sorry that he died that young, and I really liked him, but mourning him overly comes close to emo-porn. That is up to his family, not to me.

[Gilrandir]

You ever think the reason gods dont show themselves is because if they did humans woild keep trying to kill them for making them capable of grief?
Gods will die in Ragnarok anyway .

[Kadagar_AV]

So am I, I am really going to miss him. But it isn't like he was friend or family,chipping in on the plate because it is a nice gesture but I would be lying if I said it hits me all that hard. I am really sorry that he died that young, and I really liked him, but mourning him overly comes close to emo-porn. That is up to his family, not to me.

Well, it's someone I have shared ideas and thoughts with for more than 10 years... I can't even say that about some of my best friends.

The fact that we are anonymous and on a forum, makes people more apt to share their true inner feelings and thoughts...

His comments have been a steady input in my everyday life, and now that voice is silent. Of course it leaves a mark, and is a reason for sadness.

Maybe I'm "emo", I don't know... Would be the first time I was called it :shrug:

[Fisherking]

I am totally shocked!

My wife just underwent surgery a bit over a week ago and I have not checked much closely.

To find this! I am at a loss for words.

RIP HT… what a shame.

[Myth]

Rest in peace HoreTore. We didn't see eye to eye, but it is sad to see a smart young man go like that. May you find peace in whatever awaits us in the afterlife.

[Hooahguy]

"The Parting Glass"
Thank you for this, love the song.

Song for those who are interested. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhJp0W0ku2w)

[Montmorency]

Post Horetore-Moments. This can be made into a new thread if necessary.

That time when he taught kids in Tanzania.

[Hooahguy]

Ok so here is the first draft of what I would like to see on the plaque, please tell me if there is anything you would want to change.

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[Greyblades]

I... I fear no matter how much I spend agonising over that verse I will never be satisfied.

[InsaneApache]

Thank you for this, love the song.

Song for those who are interested. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhJp0W0ku2w)

Beautiful.

[Hooahguy]

I... I fear no matter how much I spend agonising over that verse I will never be satisfied.

If you have a better one stanza poem for It then by all means, do share!

[Fragony]

I... I fear no matter how much I spend agonising over that verse I will never be satisfied.

Mind if I make a suggestion, the rythem is kinda off. I would put sentence 3 at where sentence 2 is, and replace it with sentence 4, so that the sentences rhyme in succesion in three chords.

Would also remove the word 'great' and make sentence 5 shorter

[Hooahguy]

Mind if I make a suggestion, the rythem is kinda off. I would put sentence 3 at where sentence 2 is, and replace it with sentence 4, so that the sentences rhyme in succesion in three chords.

Would also remove the word 'great' and make sentence 5 shorter
Its actually a real rhyming scheme, I learned about it in high school poetry, often used in sonnets: ABABCC.

[Hooahguy]

Also Im going to open up donations soon for his plaque. The amount for the plaque is $50, but if we get more than that in donations I will donate the extra to the Strømme Foundation (https://strommestiftelsen.no/english), which is a Norwegian organization which advocates for education and combats poverty in 3rd world countries. I think he would like that.

[Fragony]

Its actually a real rhyming scheme, I learned about it in high school poetry, often used in sonnets: ABABCC.

I know the rules of a sonnet, but why bother with convention anyway, it would sound better imho, like a staccato. I like to write poetry myself and I often don't find it all that meaningfull that things rhyme at all. I love it when I can put everything in a single sentence.

[InsaneApache]

Also Im going to open up donations soon for his plaque. The amount for the plaque is $50, but if we get more than that in donations I will donate the extra to the Strømme Foundation (https://strommestiftelsen.no/english), which is a Norwegian organization which advocates for education and combats poverty in 3rd world countries. I think he would like that.

I'll put a couple of quid in. If he's looking down on us now that will really piss him off! :sweatdrop:

[Hooahguy]

I know the rules of a sonnet, but why bother with convention anyway, it would sound better imho, like a staccato. I like to write poetry myself and I often don't find it all that meaningfull that things rhyme at all. I love it when I can put everything in a single sentence.
So write your own? I dont know, I liked that one.

Also is Paypal a good medium for donations?

[Fragony]

So write your own? I dont know, I liked that one.

Also is Paypal a good medium for donations?

Not for me.

'Who were you really, I do not know, and I will never do. You can never touch the same river twice.'

[Hooahguy]

Not for me.


PM me for a possible alternate way of paying? Im not really sure to be honest if you cant do paypal.

As for everyone else who can do paypal, PM me if you want to give and I will send you my paypal info over PM.

EDIT: as I said before, the plaque costs $50, and anything else I get will be donated to charity.

[Ser Clegane]

RIP Erik

Coming back here and seeing this thread it is hard to find any appropriate words...

:bow:

[KukriKhan]

RIP

[Seamus Fermanagh]

Sad to see this as your most recent post, Kukri, but glad you still swing by from time to time.

Best wishes and give that spouse of yours a hug.

[KukriKhan]

Hey

[Idaho]

Sh*t.. just seen this. F***.

RIP HoreTore. You were one of the few on here with both a functioning brain, and a willingness to engage it.

Hi Kukri.

[Vuk]

Wow, that is weird. I don't remember much about him, but it is sad to see a fellow Orgah pass. RIP

[Fragony]

RIP HoreTore. You were one of the few on here with both a functioning brain, and a willingness to engage it.


That's your way of saying that you agreed with him, as it isn't about you.

[Visor]

I always enjoyed watching his arguments. Damn shame.

RIP. Condolences to his family.

[Banquo's Ghost]

I rarely visit these days and was shocked to see this news on the front page. I am so sad to discover that HoreTore (Erik) has been taken in such abrupt circumstances and at such a very young age. I shall mourn him.

He added lustre and colour to this forum with the strength of his convictions and his evident devotion to teaching. As others have written, the vocation of teacher is one that should attract passion and strong beliefs, so that young minds can challenge themselves and the learning with which they are presented. HoreTore seemed to me to be a man who honoured both his students and this forum with the opportunity to learn.

I offer my condolences to those of you who knew him in real life. His family and you will be in my thoughts.

[Askthepizzaguy]

My condolences.

Every time we lose someone, a unique part of our lives changes forever. Our community is in a state of constant change, but when someone leaves us this way, the change is especially hard.

As a fellow non-believer, I don't think HoreTore is anywhere now except here in our memories. Such an idea is very difficult for many to accept, and even take offense to the notion.

But, life is full of challenges, one of them being the acceptance of uncomfortable things we wish weren't true. It's harder to let go of someone when confronted with the idea that we won't meet again, even if we were promised by many that there's a meeting place somewhere out there in the future for all the departed to meet us again.

Loss is difficult to accept, and it even feels like a betrayal of someone's memory to allow oneself to accept it.

Consider that this time we have is the only time we have, and how precious that makes our time together. That our decisions have consequences that can't be undone, that we have to live with mistakes, and have to accept losses as permanent. As hard as it is, it might make you realize that, for someone like me, that makes the time we spend together, however much or however little it may be, to be the most precious time I will ever have, and that I only have so much of it. And that I'd rather spend it with you.

I hope that thought is actually something comforting and wonderful to you, and you do not take offense.

Love you guys. RIP HoreTore, or, let us all remember HoreTore in our kindest thoughts. Whichever fits your beliefs.

[Jolt]

From the days I was active here in the Backroom, HoreTore was one of the most entertaining characters to witness debating the various topics. His ideas and methods of debate were always things that for different reasons constantly put a smile on my face.

It is a sad day for all of us that he has passed. We can only hope that the org itself, and we on our personal lives, can find people of the caliber and integrity of HoreTore.

Rest in Peace.

[Don Corleone]

Very saddened to hear of HoreTore's passing. I suspect he wouldn't want a lot of hand wringing and emotionalism.....

Too bad. Mourning is for the living. Always sad to see somebody cut down in the prime of life. Praying for his family and friends, that they receive stength to move forward.

[Quid]

This is a sad day indeed. As I am not terribly active any longer in this forum, I have missed the passing of a great contributer. Being a teacher myself, I can only imagine the loss his students must feel.

My condolences to all who have known him; to his friends and his family.

RIP

[Devastatin Dave]

Been gone a very long time and saw this...
Very sad. Had many debates with him and some wonderfully horrible hurled insults from both sides that of course deep down we enjoyed.
RIP worthy young man. Cannot understand the reason to be cut down at such a prime age. Life is precarious and balances on the thinnest of threads.

[Leet Eriksson]

Hey yeah, sorry i'm late for this too, but my sincerest condolences. Gonna miss you Horetore.

[rajpoot]

This is so shocking. I haven't been on in a while and to come back to find this. I always thought he was quite young, like early thirties or something?
RIP. From what little I gleaned he was a kind person who liked helping those in need. He'll be missed.

[seireikhaan]

It's strange...

I rarely agreed with Horetore, even more rarely interacted with him directly. He was passionate about views that I did not understand and did not agree with. As a fairly sheltered, white, christian, middle class child, I didn't consider a lot of the issues that he pursued. As I mellowed out, I ceased my general backroom activities, although I still read from time to time. I did not know he was a teacher. I don't know if you're out there, Horetore, but even though we likely had little in common belief and you almost never directly interacted with me, you did teach me. The wonderful thing about the org is that I learned so much from people without them intending to teach. The .org is a true melting pot, with people from different countries, different beliefs, different cultures coming together with only the faintest of bonds, but forging new ones with each other as we discover so much.


I hope you find comfort, Horetore, if you're out there somewhere. I hope your friends and family do as well. Death at such a young age is an tragic experience for anyone involved.

[Goofball]

Very sad indeed. RIP Erik.

[Hooahguy]

I was able to visit Erik's grave today. His older sister met me in the nearby town and we spent most of the afternoon by the grave, talking and sharing stories about Erik. I told her how much of an impact that he made on all of us here, and how amazing it was to see all the nice comments about him. She was very touched by this. It was an emotional afternoon to say the least. So thank you to all who donated, and may Erik's memory be a blessing for us all.

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[Beskar]

A nice picture.

[ICantSpellDawg]

RIP Horetore

I do enjoy that his name was Erik Hole Lover, I wonder if he enjoyed this fact in life?