Xpansion Pack=Eastern Expansion

[The Last Emperor]

Well guys, as i was reading about the expansion pack on the vikings when i came up with this crazy idea, why not make the expansion pack as the other side of the medival world instead of having just 1 more tribe added While the present MTW gives u the western world and the struggle between the catholics and muslims, the English & the Frenchin their 100 yrs war etc..., the other end of the globe is also having a fight of their own.

The Song dynasty of the Chinese were desperately fighting the Nüzhen, Western Xia and the Mongols nationality. And it wasn't long before the Mongols led by u know who, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Genghis Khan, dominated the Middle Kingdoms. They then fought the Koreans, the Minamoto shogunate in feudal Japan, the Islamic kingdom of the Khwarazm in present Afghanistan and even the Pagan kingdoms in Burma Since the present STW introduced the Golden Horde to us, why not bring on the WHOLE HORDE of the the great GENGHIS KHAN and his grandson Kublai Khan's conquest in the east to us as the Expansion pack? It can even let us have a shot as the rest of the nations in the Middle Kingdoms All these also happened in the same time frame as the Middle Age in Europe.

I know this is really an ambitious call but surely the talk of it has already make my mouth watered and hands rubbing with huge anticipation, all these will definately put a new meaning to "obtaining victory by World Conquest"

[YunDog]

Hasnt the whole Mongol thing been done - I mean we had Mongol Invasion TW - how much more mongol can you want more than one expansion already dedicated to mongols, enuff with the mongols already http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

I think even the rumored viking expansion sounds lame - and I love vikings, but dont we have vikings already without the expansion. You can mod the game simply enough now so you can have vikings and longboats invading any country you want. How much more improved can the whole viking thing make the game and how much of an expansion would it be - a very minimalist one IMO.

What about India and SE Asia - Siam and the Raj - you could have Elephants http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

Or what about Medieval Play the World - a world map combining the units and factions of MTW, MITW, and STW - that could be worthwhile http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[deejayvee]

While I'd love that to be the expansion pack, I think it will be too big. It has the sound of TW3.

Also, the Mongols raided as far south as Java and Sumatra.

[scsscsfanfan]

that sounds too big for just an addon. but TW3 would be good if it can forcus on the east. I would really like to see fighting around the time of Sunzi - "Spiring & Autume/ War state/Frist empiror" period in china around 200BC to 200 AD. That the time of military revolutions and tons of new units/history/tactis appeared.
The only problem with this is that although myself is very interested in chinese war history but it may lack of a fan base generally.

[The Last Emperor]

Well i agree its too big for an Xpansion pack and YunDog, what i am suggesting is NOT entirely on the Mongols and their conquest. What i mean is having the Middle Age of the eastern kingdoms as the main idea. The Mongol are there not because i love them, but its just that they happen to be involved in carving out the biggest empire of all time. I do like ur idea of getting S.E Asia & India involved with their own unique armies.

FanFan: For ur interest, the Spring & Autumn Period, Warring States and Qin Dynasty is between 770BC-207BC.

As for whether the fan base is there, well its definately worth the effort course the Chinese is the world largest race and they are all over the world so no doubt about it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Leet Eriksson]

if they ever consider an expansion and putting the chinese in it(with the whole map of asia)then they better put the japs and koreans with them tooalso when muslims conquer Xinkiang from china i want a unit to be available for them called Xinkiang infantry(much like any traditional chinese heavy infantry they carry spears ).don't forget australia,they must have 3 exclusive units for them Bommerang infantry(archers with infinite ammo)Kangaroo cavalry(just as the name suggests australian on kangaroos)and austeralian infantry(negro spearmen).

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[The Last Emperor]

Well faisal, cheers for u for trying to show ur sense of humour however lacking it is, http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif plus do try to come up with more fancy ideas like urs in the future. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Daevyll]

They should make the expansion pack the 'prequel' in my opinion.

Have visigoths, vandals, huns, ostrogoths, scythians, teutons, franks etc fighting the remnants of the Romans and Byzantium. It could also feature the 'birth' of muslimnations if in that timeframe.

[Hulegu]

I like most of these ideas. Most of all I would like to see a prequel, for the reasons you mention and for the great long-running clash between the Romans and the various Persian dynasties. The story of the last Roman-Sassanian war in particular is, imo, remarkable.

[Sandy-San]

I like the idea of the dark ages too, if only to play romans versus barbarians a la Gladiator, but i kind of would expect CA to give Rome/Ancient era a game of its own.

also, i seem to remember reading somewhere (may have been an STW thread) that CA didn't want to do ancient war as although there were a range of Civs and units, the tactics were all pretty much the same so there would not be enough depth to the game.

(not strictly true? could be my dodgy old memory, so don't shoot the messenger eh?)

[Orda Khan]

As we are talking expansion pack let's keep it to the same period. The idea of including Asia to the existing map sounds excellent to me. There were many Empires during this time. Can you imagine the possibilities of the game? As mentioned already we have Khwarazm, India, Xia xia, Korea, Sung and Kin China. Add to that the Uighurs, Tanguts, Burmese, Thais, Khmers and of course our old friends the Japanese and yes the Mongols (nobody did it better)
We then have a global game...the trade routes of the East, silks and spices.The idea is very ambitious I know but what a prospect this would be http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

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[The Last Emperor]

Cheers mate http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif Orda Khan says it all i came up with this idea after pondering about whats the best expansion for MTW and keeping it in the Middle Age period. The best way would simply by extending the present MTW map to the east, into the Asia continent. Kingdoms in Asia have a properious trade link with Europe through the famous Silk Road so maybe we can have this as a GA victory possibility? I know its ambitious but hey, if the idea is implemented, imagine all those different units that we can use from so many countries...maybe now we can have a possibility to see who is better, the Heavy Samurai Cavalry or the European Knights. I believe this will test our TW gaming ability to an even higher level. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Leet Eriksson]

i say we only have india,china,japs,korea and persia playable the rest are only minor factions.now the problem lies in getting information on their units i am particularily lacking in this department,anyone knows?i know china had cavalry archers,and spearmen as well as various seige weapons(wiered catapults that are used to throw infantry beyond the castle walls without injuring them)also since they invented the cannon they should have superior cannons,also from what i have read from Ibn Seena's visit to persia their heavy infantry are armoured much like their cavalry counterparts(making it possible to dismount khawarzmian cavalry in the expansion?hopefully yes muslims need additional MAA since they lack MAA in MTW).thats all i know so far of asian units...

[The Last Emperor]

It would be sensible to make only certain faction playable mainly like those faisal have suggested. I am not really an expert in the units of Asian countries of this period but i roughly know the Chinese excel in seige machines, they have things like large spiked rollers to be dumped on enemies from higher grounds and they used rocket-arrows at that time The Khawarzmian Cavalry is from the kingdom of their namesake and India & S.E Asian do use elephants units in large numbers. We can also consider some of the new religions that may be introduced, mainly Buddhism, Taoism Hinduism & Confuciusion(spelling?) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif .

[Leet Eriksson]

i think the right spelling is Confucianism,from the chinese word(K'ung Fu-tsu ).i'm not 100% sure but thats what i got from some book i peeked through in some library.

[Brown Wolf]

Edit:I posted in the wrong thread.



Actually I would like to play Hungary in the expansion pack. After all they were responible for the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. ( I think. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/redface.gif )
I would also like the expansion pack to be an actual expansion pach and not an entire new game like warlord edition. (well it at least was a new game in the US http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif )

[scsscsfanfan]

Thanks Last Empiror to point out my careless mistake on the year of the periods.
For anyone that interested in the unit types that appeared in China around 11-14 Cent- in Song dynasty, there is a book writen at that period, recorded all the weapon types that had been used in Song dynasty chinese military, there were total around of 450 types of missile/hand-held/seige weapons. Of course, not all of them had been used widely in battle, but one can still imagine it can be a lot of unit types.

One more thing I would like to point out - actually not related to this topic- is that for horse archers. should they suppose to be able to fire missils while riding? although the accurace may not be that good, but it can cause fair bit of headache to the enemy. There was a great emphysis in chinese ascent military on riding and shooting, and it's best used by the mongals. Currect me if I wrong. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[The Last Emperor]

Adding on to ur point fanfan, i believe firing arrows while riding horses would be a more accurate representation for the present horse archers in MTW. The Samurai also practise archery on horseback and even till today, the art of horse archery is still being play out in certain Japanese festivals.

[solypsist]

The expansion pack will have more than just Vikings; it will also include more historical battles and campaigns.
But the Vikings add-on is basically a new campaign, instead of just an added faction. Like the Mongol Invasion in STW.

of course, nothing i said is official http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[The Last Emperor]

Guess it will have to be TW3 if theres any chance of getting Asia into MTW... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[HopAlongBunny]

A huge eastern expansion would be great

I would settle for a humbler War(s) of Unification pack for China http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif