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Welcome.
This is a mafia game based off the computer game Age of Empires 2. The characters in this mafia game will be based off of the units in the video game.
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Rules:
• 24 hour days and 24 hour night phases. Day phases will be 48 if enough players join.
• You may not talk after death except for a 'go town' style comment.
• Don't quote anything I say to you. Paraphrasing is fine.
• No screenshots, etc.
• You may NOT talk to players outside the thread.
• You will vote for players you want lynched during the day, using the format, Vote: Visorslash. Votes must be in bold to count. If you wish to unvote, simply: Unvote; Vote: ATPG. You don't need to do a semicolon, I just think it looks nice. The vote tag is not essential but please make it very clear who you are voting for, I would suggest only bolding names for votes, never for emphasis.
• If you are replaced or WOG killed, please do not post in the thread.
• For votes that end in a tie, the person to the highest vote number first will be lynch.
• No lynch is allowed.
• Please don't edit posts with votes.
• This game will have roles and powers. Please do not claim your role.
• If you miss two day phases in a row or 3 in total with any reasonable excuse or informing me why you will be WoG'ed.
• Have fun. This is not an option . If you don't think you'll have fun with this game... don't join it.
• Alignment and unit type will be revealed on death but powers will not.
Players:
1. El Barto
2. choxorn
3. Kennigit
4. Zack
5. Darth feather
6. Double a
7. Askthepizzaguy
8. Kagemusha
9. Riedquat
Information relevant to the game:
Each player will be given a unit from the game, militia, spearman, archer, etc.
The stronger the role, the higher up the tech tree the role would be, for example, man at arms is higher than militia, and long swordsman is higher than that. Each role has their strengths and weaknesses. Archers are great at attacking infantry, but die fast to cavalry. Cavalry die to pikemen, and so on. The strength and weakness of your unit against what you are attacking (or defending against) will influence the success of your actions.
Example base units:
Militia - swordsman
Spearman - Pikes
Archer - Archers
Skirmishers - Counter Archers
Scout Cavalry - Light Cavalry
Knight - Heavy Cavalry
An Age of Empires mafia game? I have to be signing up for this.
Kennigit
03-02-2015, 06:12
silly Knight.
I'll be in
Alright, I guess. Wasn't this going to be a huge game?
Askthepizzaguy
03-02-2015, 08:15
ah, an org game.
How many players do you need?
Estimated length of game? I have to be not in a game to host mine.
Alright, I guess. Wasn't this going to be a huge game?
Initially yes. I still have the colour, roles and spreadsheet for it. I doubt I'll have the time or players for it thAt version though.
ah, an org game.
How many players do you need?
Estimated length of game? I have to be not in a game to host mine.
Min 13 maximum 20. Should finish before yours starts, not that big of a game and 24 hour phases.
Darth Feather
03-04-2015, 18:54
In. It has been too long :bow:
Double A
03-05-2015, 04:24
The org is too important to let my butthurt get the best of me. In.
The org is too important to let my butthurt get the best of me. In.
Use some cream, that should help ease the pain.
Askthepizzaguy
03-05-2015, 08:03
I'll sign up to play.
Cheers guys. I'll send a few invites and we should start in a couple of days time.
Kagemusha
03-05-2015, 16:20
Why not. It has been forever. In.
Riedquat
03-05-2015, 18:16
IN! :yes:
I've got enough to host a game so that's good. The game will start on tuesday, going to send some PM's and see if I can't get a few more players.
Double A
03-06-2015, 15:26
Use some cream, that should help ease the pain.
I found some hydrocortisone
I found some hydrocortisone
ooh, I like it when you talk dirty. :whip:
Double A
03-07-2015, 07:27
well the mods don't even though the youngest of us is probably like 17 by now
Has anyone notified Montmorency and LazyMcCrow?
Sent them a PM. Will probably start tomorrow give a few people some time to consider joining.
Double A
03-11-2015, 04:40
I'm downgrading myself to replacement because personal matters.
Alright, 9 players is enough. I'll start the game in an hour or two.
Players:
1. El Barto
2. choxorn
3. Kennigit
4. Zack
5. Darth feather
6. Sprig
7. Askthepizzaguy
8. Kagemusha
9. Riedquat
I tried to make something a bit out of the usual, hopefully its pretty fun.
Sending PMs.
Age of Kings - Dark Age - Day 1
The world's greatest civilisations march forth to defend themselves from evil Italian scum. Or something like that.
Players:
1. El Barto
2. choxorn
3. Kennigit
4. Zack
5. Darth feather
6. Sprig
7. Askthepizzaguy
8. Kagemusha
9. Riedquat
New Rule:
You cannot claim your ability. Unit class, etc is fine.
Day will end at 10:00 PM Australian Eastern Standard, GMT +10.
Let me know if the timer is incorrect.
Let me know if the timer is incorrect.
It ends in 1 day, 8 hours and 47 minutes, which is 23:50 in GMT +2. A little bit wrong it seems :/
FOR GOODNESS' SAKE VISORSLASH!!11
This is the second time you forget me :(
Ah shit. I'll restart it and make it vanilla. Sorry everyone
Ah shit. I'll restart it and make it vanilla. Sorry everyone
No wait, you don't have to do that. I can wait till the next game. Sorry if I came across as overly disappointed/angry/sad, it's an easy mistake to make.
No wait, you don't have to do that. I can wait till the next game. Sorry if I came across as overly disappointed/angry/sad, it's an easy mistake to make.
Nah, a vanilla game will be probably be better balanced anyway. Sending out role PMs now.
Age of Kings - Dark Age - Day 1
Error 37: Crash to desktop. Restarting......
Players:
1. El Barto
2. choxorn
3. Kennigit
4. Zack
5. edse
6. Darth feather
7. Sprig
8. Askthepizzaguy
9. Kagemusha
10. Riedquat
Day will end at 10:00 AM Australian Eastern Standard, GMT +10, March 13th.
I think the timer is correct now. If it isn't, can someone please tell me.
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2015, 16:12
Vote: kumquat
Kagemusha
03-11-2015, 17:08
Vote: Atpg. Voting you brings back lot of good memories. Long time no see old friend. :bow:
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2015, 17:36
Time to pull a Crazed Rabbit:
I am not the Mafia. I am not the mafia. I am not mafia. I am not Mafia. I am not guilty. I am not Guilty. I am town. I am Town.
And now, to pull a Pizzaguy:
The preceding message is false. The previous statement is true. The previous statement is false. The previous statement is false if the next statement is true. This statement is false.
Darth Feather
03-11-2015, 18:24
Time to pull a Crazed Rabbit:
I am not the Mafia. I am not the mafia. I am not mafia. I am not Mafia. I am not guilty. I am not Guilty. I am town. I am Town.
And now, to pull a Pizzaguy:
The preceding message is false. The previous statement is true. The previous statement is false. The previous statement is false if the next statement is true. This statement is false.
:tnt: BWAM brain exploded.
Vote: Sprig. Guilty of the crime of being number 7.
Riedquat
03-11-2015, 19:11
Vote: kumquat
I thought you were above this silliness...
Vote: Takhibarto
Oh boy. Serial killer again?
oh yeah lucky number 7.
Vote: Choxorn for reasons unrelated to a ring of power.
And Pizza is not mafia.
Perfect Information Syndrome.
Vote: edse
Kagemusha
03-11-2015, 21:00
Unvote,Vote: edse
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2015, 22:21
And Pizza is not mafia.
Edse,
Are you merely taking a position on the matter, or do you feel it in your bones with utter certainty?
Note: I don't mean do you know it as fact, but rather if you are feeling the kind of certainty one tends to feel in these games, in the absence of perfect information.
If you feel it in your bones, I suggest drinking more milk.
I only used logic. Pizza's proposition boils down to "not FALSE", that is "TRUE" :P
Perfect Information Syndrome.
Vote: edse
Now, you accuse me of perfect information, does that mean that you know Pizza isn't mafia? I have never understood that part about PIS (and people accuse me of PIS all the time).
Askthepizzaguy
03-11-2015, 23:59
Assuming two scummos. Given the short time frame, and the fact that it is also a short game, we're basically in endgame already, I wonder if I should take a stab at solving it now, with several missing votes. Let's pretend I could solve the game based on the activity thusfar, since I am bored.
Assumption: Have both mafia shown up already, or just one? What are the odds neither has shown up? (Most have shown up, so, lean both have shown up.) Also, for the purposes of this exercise, I have to assume they're already here. I can't do a lot with Takh, Ken, or chox yet.
Assumption: Do the mafia vote for themselves yet? (Lean no, because it doesn't buy a lot of town goodwill to lynch a scum this early and then keep surviving to final 3. Also, history shows this option gets selected less)
Assumption: Either Sprig or edse, as guilty, either being voted by two townies already, due to previous assumption. (Lean nope.)
Edse and Kagemusha are attempting to lynch people, not hide. Assumption: Are they even on target, though? See previous. (No)
Assume active mafia- If lazy assumption none of choxxybabee, Kenny G, and Bort license plate were guilty,
Assume aggro mafia- If guilty parties are voting innocent parties, rather than not voting yet or voting for their partner,
Assume edse/sprig scapegoat- If edse and sprig were both innocent,
Zack looks guiltish, Kage looks guiltish, Kumquat looks guiltish, Darth Feather looks guiltish. 4 suspects out of 9 other players.
Toss Sprig, edse, and the three absentees in the temporary reprieve pile, because reasons. That's five you don't lynch Day One.
If Sprig innocent, and edse were innocent, then votes on edse are not because mafia want to vote for person voting his partner. Which doesn't really happen exceedingly frequently anyway.
IMO, I feel they will vote innocent, vote in opposition, not together, and not interact with each other yet. And also be at least somewhat active. I don't think they vote partner yet. I think I can be wrong about one of these assumptions, but not several, and we can still win the game if so.
Pondering: Zack/Kage team
Activity: 5
Interaction: 0
Vote opposition: 2
Vote coordination: 1
Vote partner: 0
Tactical: 3
Pondering: Zack/Feather team
Activity: 4
Interaction: 0
Vote opposition: 1
Vote coordination: 0
Vote partner: 0
Tactical: 1
Pondering: Zack/Quat team
Activity: 4
Interaction: 0
Vote opposition: 1
Vote coordination: 0
Vote partner: 0
Tactical: 1
Pondering: Kage/Feather team
Activity: 3
Interaction: 0
Vote opposition: 2
Vote coordination: 0
Vote partner: 0
Tactical: 2
Pondering: Kage/Quat team
Activity: 3
Interaction: 0
Vote opposition: 2
Vote coordination: 0
Vote partner: 0
Tactical: 2
Pondering: Feather/Quat team
Activity: 2
Interaction: 0
Vote opposition: 1
Vote coordination: 0
Vote partner: 0
Tactical: 0
Notables-
Tactically, Zack/Kage have made vote movements after their target has voted for someone who isn't either of them. This is advantageous for mafiosi. However, they are behaving in a nakedly coordinated way. It doesn't discount them entirely but it causes me to think twice. Still, that's quite aggressive. I feel they're both off-target, which would be 3 wrong votes already. I think it likely at least one mafioso is there. There's something off about it, though, I get the feeling one of them is innocent, and I can't tell which. I feel pretty scummy about both of them, but not together. Zack I think has a better chance of convincing me to change my mind about him through his votes and actions. He hasn't yet.
There's nothing to discount Zack/Feather as a team. Nothing screams obvious, but none of those votes feels good yet. In fact, of all the potential teams, I think this one is in the top two most likely to be correct. There's also nothing they've done which looks all that different from typical village behavior, which makes this team a difficult one to condemn with a lynch. The only thing going against them is that there's no reason I can find that they're not mafia, and not mafia together. That's hardly staggering, but if I had to place wagers. I like the Zack/Feather team as my top 2.
Zack/Quat team is also reasonable. I almost want to say that Quat's sole post is a lie, I doubt he really thinks I'm above any kind of silliness. However, it may simply be a rhetorical way of spelling out he's tired of being voted for in that manner, because kumquat is a funny word, and people like to type it as their vote, myself included. I can't tell which it is, and I don't think it provides any clue to his alignment. I've noted that no one else has voted for him except me. But that also is no tell, because I made a day one joke vote and we tend to spread the votes around, not dogpile a joke vote. I can't get a read on Quat, despite my vote there. I will likely move it but not because I have concluded innocence, but because others feel more likely to have given away their guilt.
Kage/Feather team is an option. More observation needed, I think it likely one of these is guilty, but I am not feeling a strong vibe about this team configuration.
Kage/Quat as a team makes sense, both Kage and Quat reacted to my vote of Quat in their own way. Flinchy, if so. Are they really so flinchy as a mafia team that both of them flinch over one vote? I feel Kage's vote of Edse is more telling, because it would be bad for a villager to declare another villager innocent, who was voting for one's partner. If so, Kage is flinching all over the place. Which, legendary mafia player or no, he has been known to do from time to time... If Kage is guilty, I think Quat is his partner, over Zack, and especially over Feather.
Feather/Quat as a team did not react to ATPG vote on Quat, both voted after ATPG. Tactical advantage not taken, feels villagery as a unit, less active and dissembling than I feel mafia typically are. Usually at least one partner goes for activity, and even if not, they take advantage of the tactical situation and strive for longevity. Here, they can prompt an additional 2 votes in their direction in an OMGUS situation. In general, leaning against Featherquat as a team, though one may still be guilty. I feel more strongly than any other noted pairing that one of these is innocent.
Too long, didn't read
Unvote Kumquat
Vote Kagemusha
You feel like you are a predator fish, snapping at exposed fins. Defend yourself, able warrior.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2015, 00:01
I only used logic. Pizza's proposition boils down to "not FALSE", that is "TRUE" :P
I am still curious for you to answer my question, though I should note it's not because I am suspicious of you. I just want to know where you're at.
Am I to understand you're simply giving your solution to my riddle?
That is correct. Kennigit can probably confirm that it is the correct solution.
Now, you accuse me of perfect information, does that mean that you know Pizza isn't mafia? I have never understood that part about PIS (and people accuse me of PIS all the time).
You firmly declared ATPG wasn't mafia, something which only a mafia could know for certain, i.e. Perfect Information Syndrome (displaying knowledge that a townie shouldn't have). I wasn't being serious when I accused you of it, by the way, as your post was clearly in jest (at least in part).
What annoys me is that ATPG declared you townie because of it, which is nothing more than self-serving. And also Sprig for whatever reason, without explaining why in either case.
El Barto
03-12-2015, 01:21
Given that I am not mafia, I must vote: Riedquat.
Aaaalso, atpg's analysis-cum-balance-sheet reminds me of Problem Sleuth.
Given that I am not mafia, I must vote: Riedquat.
Aaaalso, atpg's analysis-cum-balance-sheet reminds me of Problem Sleuth.
Hey Buddy :D
El Barto
03-12-2015, 02:47
Supurigu-nii-chan! My almost-mafia-partner! Do you have any alternatives to voting for Riedquat? He's voting for me and, for that reason, OMG, he sucks!
Hey Buddy :D
Supurigu-nii-chan! My almost-mafia-partner! Do you have any alternatives to voting for Riedquat? He's voting for me and, for that reason, OMG, he sucks!
:rtwno:
Unvote, Vote: Sprig
Why's everyone so chummy with you?
Vote: Zack
Why's everyone so not chummy with you?
El Barto
03-12-2015, 03:43
All you want's a friend, Zack.
Vote: Zack
Why's everyone so not chummy with you?
I hate chum. More of a krabby patty guy.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2015, 05:05
What annoys me is that ATPG declared you townie because of it, which is nothing more than self-serving. And also Sprig for whatever reason, without explaining why in either case.
The novels explain stuff that was left out of the movie. It's just established canon at this point.
Askthepizzaguy
03-12-2015, 05:31
This calls for a lynching tune. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjazkgtcrms)
Now, this scumbag who'll kill on a very first night is from a former Grand Duchy.
But this scumbag who'll vote second on the wagon won't be mistaken for a Rusky.
But the scumbag who's first to move his vote all around, Head in the clouds, feet on the ground
He's the scum I'm glad I've found
Please vote for Kagemooshi!
My mooshi, my mooshi, my mooshi, (The scum who's hard to get)
My mooshi, my mooshi, my mooshi, (But you can lynch him yet.)
Vote him once just to raise the curtain,
Vote him twice, and he'll squirm for certain.
Once more in the gameroom garden
He will never get sore if you beg your pardon.
Do re mi fa so la si do... si fa so la mi re do.
Vote him once when he isn't bussin',
He might vote you back, that's OMGUS'in!
Once more 'cause he's a sexy fellow
Put a smile on his face on his way to the gallows.
Do re me fa so la si do... si do
Now little ole Kagemooshi's no townie as anyone can see,
Look at him now: He's an old pal who always looks scum, to me.
Vote him once just to raise the curtain,
Vote him twice, and he'll squirm for certain.
Once more in the gameroom garden
He will never get sore if you beg your pardon.
Do re me fa so la si do... si do
My mooshi, my mooshi, my mooshi, (The scum who's hard to get)
My mooshi, my mooshi, my mooshi, (But you can lynch him yet.)
(Instrumental)
My mooshi, my mooshi, my mooshi, (The scum who's hard to get)
My mooshi, my mooshi, my mooshi, (But you can lynch him yet.)
You can lynch him yet....
Sexy Kagemooshi!
Wasn't there a large game a few years back where you did this whole thing about "lynch Kagemusha on Day 1" and he ended up being scum? Was it the Animus game?
Kagemusha
03-12-2015, 07:18
Lovely song Atgp! You know me. I am a simple operator. If you are scummy, wham you will get voted by me and Edse made such move.:yes:
:rtwno:
Unvote, Vote: Sprig
Why's everyone so chummy with you?
I checked the stats. I'm never scum. Except for one time and that first roll and all those other times but apart from that...
I'm a couple days too late in getting my act together and getting over here and saying I'd play. Count me as a reserve should you need it.
Tally:
1 Kage (Atpg)
3 Sprig (DF, edse, zack)
1 El Barto (riedquack)
1 Choxorn (sprig)
1 edse (kage)
1 Riedquack (Treva, the renewer)
1 Zack (Choxorn)
Age of Kings - Dark Age - End of Day 1
Sprig lost all his villagers to a boar. Maybe it wasn't so wise to send them one at a time.
Alive:
1. El Barto
2. choxorn
3. Kennigit
4. Zack
5. edse
6. Darth feather
8. Askthepizzaguy
9. Kagemusha
10. Riedquat
Dead:
7. Sprig, lynched Day 1, town.
Night will end at 10:00 AM Australian Eastern Standard, GMT +10, March 14th.
Riedquat
03-13-2015, 01:29
Sorry Mighty Host, but what happened with this:
• Alignment and unit type will be revealed on death but powers will not.
O.o
And just noticed... quack! Lol
Sorry Mighty Host, but what happened with this:
O.o
And just noticed... quack! Lol
I left out edse, so I restarted and made it vanilla. You should've gotten a new role pm?
El Barto
03-13-2015, 02:26
The novels explain stuff that was left out of the movie. It's just established canon at this point.
You shouldn't have done that. I was going to be mafia with Supurigu-san!
You shouldn't have done that. I was going to be mafia with Supurigu-san!
I never got to post in our QT :(
Also - whelp, i got lynched? :shrug:
If Sprig innocent
Sprig had a 78% percent chance of being townie.
:smart: does calculations :smart:
There's a 22% chance ATPG has Perfect Information Syndrome.
Riedquat
03-13-2015, 14:05
I left out edse, so I restarted and made it vanilla. You should've gotten a new role pm?
Oh... my fragile mind couldn't understand the real significance of so wonderful words full of wisdom... I only got I the part I've asked about... in that case please Oh Great Host disregard my orders to kill takibarto tonight! :laugh4:
Kennigit
03-13-2015, 17:44
Apologies missing day 1
we have 3 lynches.
Zack (specifically), do you believe your scumdar is better than 45%?
I believe it's better than 0%.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 01:00
Mooshi mooshi!
Age of Kings - Dark Age - End of Night 1
Kennigit was rushed by militia before he could build his own barracks.
Alive 8/10:
1. El Barto
2. choxorn
4. Zack
5. edse
6. Darth feather
8. Askthepizzaguy
9. Kagemusha
10. Riedquat
Dead:
7. Sprig, lynched Day 1, town.
3. Kennigit, killed Night 1, town.
Day will end at 10:00 AM Australian Eastern Standard, GMT +10, March 16th.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 01:21
Wasn't there a large game a few years back where you did this whole thing about "lynch Kagemusha on Day 1" and he ended up being scum? Was it the Animus game?
Yes, and I called him sexy Kagemusha back then, too.
Basically my entire case against him was that he was sexy. Also he committed a gigantic scumtell after lynching me, so I sang that jaunty tune even louder after that.
Food for thought:
Assume Askthepizzaguy is innocent. It happens to be the case.
Now. If Kagemusha is innocent, why not kill Askthepizzaguy last night? Isn't that a free mislynch?
Killing Kennigit is unnecessary overthinking or attempting to be random but it's not random.
Vote: Sexy Kagemusha
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 01:23
There's more on my plate than that, problem is the short round.
I'm willing to entertain other options, what do you have for me?
El Barto
03-14-2015, 01:40
vote:Zack for silly conjecturing and fake logic.
Kennigit
03-14-2015, 03:07
"go town"
vote:Zack for silly conjecturing and fake logic.
What? Did you misspell ATPG?
Kagemusha
03-14-2015, 07:10
I want to see more. If i were scum. I would have killed Atgp last night and defended myself being a lynch bait. Because i am a pompous arse like that.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 08:01
"go town"
Lol, I know how you feel, man. Don't worry, it'll be harder to die in my upcoming game. Plan on being in it.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 08:04
I want to see more. If i were scum. I would have killed Atgp last night and defended myself being a lynch bait. Because i am a pompous arse like that.
Or you would have "randomly" killed someone else so you can post the above.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 08:07
Rally rally, calling all townies. 7 hours remain, there's not a whole lot of time for screwing around.
We can go quietly into the night or we can randomly lynch someone who isn't Kagemusha who seems a bit frozen in place.
Should be 16 hours or so, is the timer malfunction mc toning?
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 08:12
Also this round is the last round I'm going to vote for Kagemusha, so if he's guilty someone better vote.
Next round, if we're both still alive, I'm going to vote for whoever Kage votes for out of spite. :tongue2: Unless it's me, in which case I'll gleefully keep my vote on him.
@ Visor it says 7 hours remain.
7 hours, about 00:10 Australian time?
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 08:21
Edse mah boy.
Who's your top 2 suspects now?
No, not really.
Vote: Takhisis one of the "would have been" mafia.
I'm probably x-posting you now.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 09:37
Unvote sexy kagemusha,
vote edse
Failure to respond to a question properly. Kagemusha might be distancing from you last round.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 09:40
Placing wagers on Edse/Kagemusha team.
I'm alive because I'm half wrong, and because they couldn't kill me last night or it would be obvious who to lynch today.
So that's why non-random random target Kennigit who didn't vote last night died.
Check and mate, sexy kagemusha.
Kagemusha
03-14-2015, 09:49
Atgp, If i will vote Edse. Will you keep your vote on him? In first round Edse gives out perfect information, while Zack calls him out for it. I voted Edse to put pressure on him and Zack moves his vote to Sprig, whom gets lynched, thus the votes of Zack and Edse decide the lynch. I think that Edse and Zack could be the mafia. Lets see how this plays out. Vote: Edse
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 09:52
Atgp, If i will vote Edse. Will you keep your vote on him? In first round Edse gives out perfect information, while Zack calls him out for it. I voted Edse to put pressure on him and Zack moves his vote to Sprig, whom gets lynched, thus the votes of Zack and Edse decide the lynch. I think that Edse and Zack could be the mafia. Lets see how this plays out. Vote: Edse
You're too certain he's guilty to be a villager. He flips scum, you swing next.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 09:58
Oh, I think I didn't answer your question. Yes, I'd lynch edse today. Or, if edse gets too rattled and doesn't want to die this round, I'd welcome his support in lynching you. Those are my two likely votes today.
Kagemusha
03-14-2015, 09:59
I just want to know more. Lets see.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 10:03
I think the scum team has had pizza on the brain all game.
The folks ignoring me have been townies, basically.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 10:08
Edse, why so disinterested in lynching Kage who was second on your wagon yesterday?
Why no vote on him today?
Why did you give me one suspect when I asked for two?
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 10:09
I dare you to talk to each other and not have it sound completely fake.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 10:21
And Pizza is not mafia.
Perfect Information Syndrome.
Vote: edse
Now, you accuse me of perfect information, does that mean that you know Pizza isn't mafia? I have never understood that part about PIS (and people accuse me of PIS all the time).
Zack,
+1 internets to you.
I just want to know more. Lets see.
Hi! Let's talk Unvote: Vote: Kagemusha
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 10:33
Ya da ta tee
ya da ta tum
This post is written by a townie
Ya da da tut tut tah.
Skiddly doo!
Edse, why so disinterested in lynching Kage who was second on your wagon yesterday?
Why no vote on him today?
Yes Master, sorry Master, doing it now Master.
Why did you give me one suspect when I asked for two?
Riedquat is the other "would have been" mafia.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 10:37
Oh edse, you're back.
Do you hang around the gameroom often?
Stupid Fucking timer. I'll extend the day by one full day to compensate. The timer is wrong but on those settings it shows me the right tim. If I put the timer back onto my setting it'll show wrong to me, but hopefully right to you guys.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 10:40
Stupid Fucking timer. I'll extend the day by one full day to compensate. The timer is wrong but on those settings it shows me the right tim. If I put the timer back onto my setting it'll show wrong to me, but hopefully right to you guys.
Just tell me how many hours I have from this moment onward to play with Edsemusha, before the round ends.
With the changed time, it should say 1 day 14 hours and 20 minutes or so now. (it doesn't for me but let me.know what you see)
Oh edse, you're back.
Do you hang around the gameroom often?
No, not very often. http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/flirt.gif
Is that a ligthsaber in your pocket or... ?
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 10:45
No, not very often. http://nexusnow.info/forum/images/smilies/newadditions/flirt.gif
Is that a ligthsaber in your pocket or... ?
What color is the lightsaber, edse?
hmm, blue and black. No wait...
Timer is correct now.
Askthepizzaguy
03-14-2015, 10:55
I want to see more. If i were scum. I would have killed Atgp last night and defended myself being a lynch bait. Because i am a pompous arse like that.Kagemusha, with no edse
7 hours, about 00:10 Australian time?Edse, with no Kagemusha.
Atgp, If i will vote Edse. Will you keep your vote on him? In first round Edse gives out perfect information, while Zack calls him out for it. I voted Edse to put pressure on him and Zack moves his vote to Sprig, whom gets lynched, thus the votes of Zack and Edse decide the lynch. I think that Edse and Zack could be the mafia. Lets see how this plays out. Vote: Edse Kagemusha, with no edse
Hi! Let's talk Unvote: Vote: KagemushaEdse, with no Kagemusha.
So close to behaving like villagers and talking directly with one another, and yet, so far.
Their story began like Romeo and Juliet, but ended up in tragedy.
Kagemusha
03-14-2015, 11:09
edse your thoughts on Zack?
edse your thoughts on Zack?
Not much really. He PISed me yesterday for a joke, but he PIS people off all the time so that's normal.
Kagemusha
03-14-2015, 11:37
Ok. Why did you vote Takhisis and not Riedquat the second day?
Ok. Why did you vote Takhisis and not Riedquat the second day?
Undisclosed meta-reasons.
What's your opinion on atpg? You seem to have a history?
Haven't the weather been beautiful these last couple of days?
Kagemusha
03-14-2015, 17:37
I dont sense anything unusual about Atpg, not that he would give away anything even if he would be mafia. Pizza has a default healthy suspicion towards me, which we all should have towards each other. Weather has been very nice the last days.Thank you for asking.:yes:
Zack what is with the flip flopping? Please elaborate? Does edse have insight to your voting motives?
Darth Feather
03-14-2015, 18:23
My gut feeling says Takhisis El Barto is scummy.
My gut feeling also says: "Beware ATPG." But it always is suspicious of pizza's.
Lynch vote seems to be between kagemusha and edse.
I am hoping the pizza is correct. Vote : Kagemusha
Riedquat
03-14-2015, 18:53
Kage, I don't like those posts with bold names, a part of my brain keep thinking you are voting from two to five different persons per post.... :stare:
Vote: edse because he smells funny and because omgus!
El Barto
03-14-2015, 20:34
No, not really.
Vote: Takhisis one of the "would have been" mafia.
I'm probably x-posting you now.
Well, let's return to our old staple. Unvote; vote Riedquat
Zack what is with the flip flopping? Please elaborate?
my middle name is mitt
Kagemusha
03-14-2015, 21:17
Riedquat... Ok, ok that was last one, unless im voting.:yes: Zack was your vote on edse a joke vote like edse claims?
I want to see more. If i were scum. I would have killed Atgp last night and defended myself being a lynch bait. Because i am a pompous arse like that.
Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because only a great fool would choose the wine he was given. I am not a great fool so I clearly cannot choose the wine in front of you.
But you would have known that I'm not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I clearly cannot choose the wine in front of me.
"I would have killed someone last night if I was scum?" That's you, Kagemusha, putting the poison into my goblet, and expecting me to drink it.
Well, I switched glasses while your back was turned.
Vote: Kagemusha
Kagemusha
03-14-2015, 22:34
If i was mafia. Why would i need to even bring that up Choxorn? More so when Pizza has painted a crosshair over me already. Last nights kill is just not my style and playing mafia the last thing i would like to do would be to draw attention to myself this early on unnecessarily. I am just an easy lynch at this point, so mafia can get away with and once lynched. I am limited to saying: "go town".Nope you have to look elsewhere, but no matter what, make people speak. Based on replies of today. My best bet for mafia partners are still edse and Zack.
I agree that unvote: Vote: Zack is a good candidate.
If i was mafia. Why would i need to even bring that up Choxorn? More so when Pizza has painted a crosshair over me already. Last nights kill is just not my style and playing mafia the last thing i would like to do would be to draw attention to myself this early on unnecessarily.
This is still nothing but WIFOM. "This isn't my style if I was mafia, so I can't be." You know that this isn't your style, you could easily do something unusual to throw us off.
Kagemusha
03-15-2015, 07:56
Choxorn i could be saying anything, just like anyone else. This is a vanilla game and we dont have anything other then reactions to base our decisions upon. One can only trust his gut feelings and look for inconsistencies. Zack you still have not answered my question concerning your motive for voting edse during the first round?
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 08:26
I'm feelin' the edse lynch.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 08:28
The pizza is teetering between 55 edse and 45 Kagemusha.
If someone wants to tilt me to Kage, they best speak up now.
It probably won't count if I speak up?
Stay by for tally.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 11:44
It probably won't count if I speak up?
Stay by for tally.
Surprise me.
Here you go, one very surprising tally:
3 Kagemusha: Zack, Darth Feather, Chicken
3 edse: ATPG, Kagemusha, Riedquat
1 Riedquat: El Barto
1 Zack: edse
No, seriously, what do you want to know?
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 11:52
Why in the world you're voting Zack right now.
Because it would be a shame to lynch Kagemusha.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 11:58
Because it would be a shame to lynch Kagemusha.
The guy who voted for you yesterday and today?
It's a shame you didn't have such hesitation to lynch Sprig who I said was probably innocent.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 12:01
Self preservation villager who knows he's a villager says OMGUS and lynches scummymusha who has been trying to either lynch a villager or bus his partner all game.
That's what a villager would do so that's what a mafia pretending to be a villager would do.
It just that Kagemusha (and Darth Feather) hasn't played a game in months while we others have been playing on other sites. It wouldn't be "nice" to lynch him this early.
But alright, Unvote: Vote: Kagemusha
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 12:30
What's early about the second lynch in a game with 10 players?
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 12:35
I'm trying to figure out what your thought process is for finding and lynching the guilty.
Guy you've voted for, Kage, who has voted for you, and is going to be lynched, or you are, and you vote for someone with zero votes.
Gotta be a pretty convincing case.
Not much really. He PISed me yesterday for a joke, but he PIS people off all the time so that's normal.
A guy who you were basically neutral on.
So, what was the persuasive argument used that convinced you?
It certainly couldn't have been Zack's behavior. He joined you in voting for Kagemusha.
Kage made no case against Zack.
So, guy you're willing to lynch discusses Zack very little and suddenly you're great with letting kage live, and lynching Zack, based on what?
I don't see the cause and effect of what you're doing.
You look like a guilty party behaving inexplicably under pressure.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 12:45
Put yourself in my shoes, edse.
I like things to make sense, and I ask questions to try to find answers that make sense.
I also have a history of just straight talking to you and figuring out your alignment based on the truth of what you're saying, in spite of massive evidence against you.
I'm looking for your top suspects and you don't really indulge my curiosity.
I'm looking to lynch Kage and you don't oblige even though he's been ready to lynch you since early day one.
Under voting pressure, you switch to Kage, without necessarily having been persuaded to do so, with little comment.
You and Kage dance back and forth in the thread, talking to pizza, but not each other, both having been present around the same time, as if you're discussing strategy off thread somewhere together and forgetting you don't look natural in the slightest publicly. It's like you're both choking on stage.
Then later, you switch off of him onto someone you have no opinion about with zero votes, while you're both under even more voting pressure.
Now you switch back, not because you're hunting the guilty, but because I've forced the matter.
This does not read villagery to me.
Explain how all this happens innocently, walk me through the steps. Convince me to stop mislynching you here.
I'm not under pressure.
I just didn't want to lynch Kagemusha due to personal characteristics of mine (it wouldn't be nice to him). He voiced suspicion against Zack so I figured the best way to try to keep both him and me from being lynched was to vote Zack, as that could convince Kagemusha to do the same and reduce the votes for me to two.
Darth Feather
03-15-2015, 12:51
I'm not under pressure.
I just didn't want to lynch Kagemusha due to personal characteristics of mine (it wouldn't be nice to him). He voiced suspicion against Zack so I figured the best way to try to keep both him and me from being lynched was to vote Zack.
This kinda sounds to me: I don't want to be lynched with kagemusha because we are both the scumbags, so I'll vote someone random who has a possibility of being lynched. My scumdar is bleeping.
We are both Finlanders so we probably have a somewhat synched online time.
Darth, would anyone say no to bussing opportunity of that calibre?
Edit: but it is true of course, I did it because I didn't want either of us lynched.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 13:02
If you care so much about Kage, why were the two of you avoiding each other in the thread, in spite of the fact that he's been voting for you and suggesting you really needed to die, while you were both here and actively discussing the game with me?
Mafia sometimes forget to talk to each other in the thread. Instead, they spend the grand majority of their time and energy posting dialogue with villagers to convince them of their guilt or innocence, or the guilt or innocence of other villagers. And they'll vote for and discuss their partner, but avoid talking to them like they're a real person.
Call it the "third person" tell.
Until I openly discussed this problem, read the game from the start until that post I mentioned it in. You are behaving weirdly and unnaturally toward one another.
Kage will talk to you, you'll talk to people. We'll sit here and have a nice back and forth, you and I, but with Kage, even though you were both here, and getting one another's attention by being the subject of each other's suspicion, it just reads like you plain forgot to interact with each other as if you were both here in the thread, and not both hanging out elsewhere.
Now, I can't make that happen through some sort of trickery on my part, so I'm observing a real phenomenon that is happening.
You two were dancing around each other in a weird way.
Kage's quick shift onto you day one suggests something.
He really wants you dead, and thinks you're mafia, and he's mistaken or he's mafia himself.
Or,
He really wants to get a nice chunk of the credit for lynching his buddy. That is why it wins him no village credits from me if you swing and end up guilty. The game is too short, all it takes is one little head-game maneuver just like that one to win the game.
I voted you briefly for a flimsy excuse why today, and Kage sits me down and insists I definitely keep my vote on you and lynch you.
Is that normal behavior for a villager? I doubt it.
Or is that a scumbag who definitely wants to bus you today? Why does he want credit for your death that badly?
Is lynching him spoiling that idea because it lynches in the wrong order and exposes that particular gambit, then?
Let's talk about PIS, since it's come up.
It's PIS to be really sure you want someone to die this early in a game like this based on very little reasons.
Zack's PIS accusation against you was a good vote, but not good enough for Kage to be that certain you definitely needed to die.
Your behavior by itself is strange. Kage's behavior added to it, and not my imagination either, but how you interact with one another, it's not natural.
I don't like it.
No one else in the game is acting odd like you two are.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 13:07
This kinda sounds to me: I don't want to be lynched with kagemusha because we are both the scumbags, so I'll vote someone random who has a possibility of being lynched. My scumdar is bleeping.
I cite my case against lynching Fleeing Coward over Banjo in another game on another forum:
Scum 1 (FC) wants credit for being early to vote for Scum 2 (Banjo) who happens not to die. Repeats that vote on several rounds.
Scum 1 is damned certain Scum 2 needs to die. Finally we get down to it, and Scum 2 is under voting pressure.
I come forward and say, no, let's lynch Scum 1 today, then Scum 2 tomorrow.
Or in this case, lynch Kage the busser first, not Edse the intended bus target.
Scum 1, Kage / FC very certain that Scum 2 Edse / Banjo should die. Scum 2 far less eager to get on the scum 1 wagon because that throws a wrench into the bussing plan.
Lynching them in the wrong order gets Scum 1 zero credit for being right about Scum 2, because it exposes him as scum.
And it does nothing to exonerate Scum 2 who was never really interested in making Scum 1 die.
So that's a horrible outcome for scum.
It explains edse's aversion to lynching Kage far better than his stated reason which is to be nice to the guy who wants him so very dead.
So "early" in this very short game.
The prosecution rests.
Darth Feather
03-15-2015, 13:07
Unvote sexy kagemusha,
vote edse
Failure to respond to a question properly. Kagemusha might be distancing from you last round.
Placing wagers on Edse/Kagemusha team.
I'm alive because I'm half wrong, and because they couldn't kill me last night or it would be obvious who to lynch today.
So that's why non-random random target Kennigit who didn't vote last night died.
Check and mate, sexy kagemusha.
We are both Finlanders so we probably have a somewhat synched online time.
Darth, would anyone say no to bussing opportunity of that calibre?
Edit: but it is true of course, I did it because I didn't want either of us lynched.
This. Suppose kagemusha flipped scum, Pizza might go for you. Bussing would be extremely dangerous.
EDIT: Sorry x-post. Also HOW DO YOU TYPE TWO WALLS OF TEXT THAT QUICKLY, PIZZA?
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 13:11
Precisely, my fine feathered fellow Darth.
DONT READ THIS
Pizza and Darth Feather were the mafia this entire time. I can say this because it will have no effect on the outcome. There will be no comeuppance! No comeuppance! *shakes fist at silly villagers*
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 13:14
Also HOW DO YOU TYPE TWO WALLS OF TEXT THAT QUICKLY, PIZZA?
Kage and I planned this out in our mafia quicktopic. I'm just reciting the dialogue I wrote earlier today.
Darth Feather
03-15-2015, 13:15
Kage and I planned this out in our mafia quicktopic. I'm just reciting the dialogue I wrote earlier today.
FOS: ATPG :stare:
All right, I am odd, guilty as charged.
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 13:20
All right, I am odd, guilty as charged.
Are you guilty, oddly as charged?
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 13:27
So Darth Feather, wanna play cross the red lightsabers with me?
*fwooom.... fwooom... kshhh kshhh vwoooom woom woom*
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 13:31
Meanwhile,
Unvote handsome edse
Vote Sexy kagemusha
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYS5qzyJDr0
Kage to the gallows go~!
So Darth Feather, wanna play cross the red lightsabers with me?
*fwooom.... fwooom... kshhh kshhh vwoooom woom woom*
I have a purple one if that's sufficient?
I'm leaving now because I really have to write on my master's thesis.
Darth Feather
03-15-2015, 14:12
So Darth Feather, wanna play cross the red lightsabers with me?
*fwooom.... fwooom... kshhh kshhh vwoooom woom woom*
*Draws lightsaber* kzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzt
It is on!
Askthepizzaguy
03-15-2015, 14:22
I have a purple one if that's sufficient?
I'm leaving now because I really have to write on my master's thesis.
Your master worked hard on that thesis, and now you're going to write all over it? Shame on you, edse.
After I deal with Mooshi mooshi I'm going to have to discipline you as well.
Kagemusha
03-15-2015, 17:12
edses vote change did actually nothing as i was already ahead of him and somehow you did not spot that, nor find that suspicious? People you should lynch edse. He is acting out all over the place. Something really does not add up how this day is proceeding.
I agree that edse is acting mighty suspicious, and I think you're both probably mafia, but right now I'm leaning a bit more heavily towards you.
El Barto
03-16-2015, 01:45
What would be the tally?
We are both Finlanders so we probably have a somewhat synched online time.
And how do you know that? He could be lying.
Tally:
5 Kagemusha: Zack, Darth Feather, Chicken, edse, ATPG,
2 edse: Kagemusha, Riedquat
1 Riedquat: El Barto
Age of Kings - Feudal Age - End of Day 2
Kagemusha got rushed by five archers. His villagers became Pinhead and killed him.
Alive 7/10:
1. El Barto
2. choxorn
4. Zack
5. edse
6. Darth feather
8. Askthepizzaguy
10. Riedquat
Dead:
7. Sprig, lynched Day 1, town.
3. Kennigit, killed Night 1, town.
9. Kagemusha, lynched Day 2, town.
Night will end at 10:00 AM Australian Eastern Standard, GMT +10, March 17th.
I believe this makes Day 3 lylo.
Kagemusha
03-16-2015, 06:26
Go town! Keep up the discussion and look for connections!:yes: Visorslash i guess thats pretty much what i can say and i cant keep bothering people with questions any more actively?
Go town! Keep up the discussion and look for connections!:yes: Visorslash i guess thats pretty much what i can say and i cant keep bothering people with questions any more actively?
Yep that's fine and no you can't sorry.
Not to worry, there will be another game after this, so if you're still keen to play (you better :stare:) there will be another chance shortly.
Kagemusha
03-16-2015, 08:51
Ok. Thanks for the game everyone!:2thumbsup:
El Barto
03-16-2015, 18:30
I believe this makes Day 3 lylo.
I call PIS.
Age of Kings - Feudal Age - End of Night 2
El Barto put all his villagers on a transport, but it sunk crossing the sea of worms.
Alive 6/10:
2. choxorn
4. Zack
5. edse
6. Darth feather
8. Askthepizzaguy
10. Riedquat
Dead:
7. Sprig, lynched Day 1, town.
3. Kennigit, killed Night 1, town.
9. Kagemusha, lynched Day 2, town.
1. El Barto, killed Night 2, town.
Day will end at 10:00 AM Australian Eastern Standard, GMT +10, March 17th.
I'm trying to make sense out of edse's behavior yesterday. It seemed like it would make sense if he and Kagemusha were scumbuddies, but Kagemusha was innocent. Now... I really don't know quite what to think of it, but it's still pinging my scumdar pretty hard.
Vote: edse
edse is such a lazy vote. Especially after Kage flipped town.
I call PIS.
6 players alive. 4 town, 2 mafia.
Lynch townie.
5 players alive. 3 town, 2 mafia.
Mafia kill townie.
4 players alive. 2 town, 2 mafia. Mafia win.
No perfect information needed, just a brain.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 07:44
Vote Edse
I regret nothing. One of you weirdos has gotta be guilty.
Who is edse's buddy?
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 07:46
edse is such a lazy vote. Especially after Kage flipped town.
Kage being town only means theory that edse and musha were scum together was wrong. How does it exonerate edse?
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 07:53
My gut feeling says Takhisis El Barto is scummy.
My gut feeling also says: "Beware ATPG." But it always is suspicious of pizza's.
Lynch vote seems to be between kagemusha and edse.
I am hoping the pizza is correct. Vote : Kagemusha
Would also lynch Darth Feather today.
People I am not voting for today unless it is tied between myself and them:
Zack
Reidquat
choxorn (sorry Zack)
If both mafia are contained within that group of three, then we lose, and too bad, because I gave it my best attempt and there's really nothing more that can be asked of me.
I went after scummy behavior that I could see. If scums win because they didn't make mistakes, good for them.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 07:55
Also if I get any votes by a villager at this point, after what I have been doing all game, then we still can't read pizzaguy.
It's not like I hide when I play. Read me or don't, track record is you can't, and I'm good with that.
I should be on every villager's never-lynch list, not every game, but this one definitely.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 08:23
Tally:
5 Kagemusha: Zack, Darth Feather, Chicken, edse, ATPG,
2 edse: Kagemusha, Riedquat
1 Riedquat: El Barto
I could approach this from the perspective of I've been wrong about everything all game, but I don't think so. It's a guessing game and we get stuff wrong, but rare are the games where I fire a bunch of shots and miss all of them. I think edse is scum and his behavior does not read villager the way it does in other villager games of his. And others also noticed this, before I did, and on their own. I trust my gut but I also trust that other villagers have good instincts too.
Dead villager Kage was also pointing at him, and had a point about others moving off of him.
If Edse is guilty then Riedquat looks villager to me. I don't see him voting on edse and off Kage yesterday and then killing El Barto, I think he's being set up as a level one frame job.
Zack can easily do all of the things he's done all game as edse's buddy. But you know what? I don't care. Good acting deserves to win. I am paranoid about people I feel are excellent schemers and excellent scummos, but I still prefer to catch people acting scummily or making mistakes, not playing against the person, rather than playing the game. If edse is guilty then Zack has successfully separated himself from edse in my book. Not just his vote record all game but specifically not voting for edse today when it would have been easy to continue voting for one of his two top suspects.
These are tough calls, but I'll be on record against either Zack or Reidquat's lynch, for these reasons.
Choxorn is an interesting choice, and the one I'm least sure about, but reading chox and reading Feather, one appears worse than the other. And if I think edse is guilty, I think Feather is his partner, not choxorn.
Which means I'd probably have to convince Zack of that if I'm right on both counts. Which means my work is cut out for me.
At this point I'm thinking town cannot win unless Zack and I become on the same page today. Any two villagers make up half the village at this point, we can't be this strongly in disagreement.
~~~~~~~
Zack, is your vote in play for Darth Feather either today or tomorrow? Let's say edse flips scum. Would you consider DF, or is he off the table? Also, are you completely opposed to an edse lynch?
I might have to reconsider my opposition to a choxorn lynch in a situation where I absolutely can't convince Zack, but I'm not feeling it.
Have I said absolutely everything that's on my mind at this point? If this is useful for understanding my position or reading me for guilt, have at it. I can't think of anything else useful to say.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 08:33
Yeah right, like I can just sit and be quiet ever.
Why in the world you're voting Zack right now.
Because it would be a shame to lynch Kagemusha.
This right here is I think where the BS meter should be spiking for everyone.
This is not a villager hunting scums, it's a scum trying to be diplomatic, or at least look like he doesn't want Kage dead, because it's a good confusion tactic.
Well, whatever you say won't change the fact that you are wrong, in this case. When I rightly convinced you that your own scan was faulty in Jarrema's academy game, I had hard proof in form of game mechanics to rely on. There's nothing of that now.
If you're saying Darth is your only alternative for the lynch, then I'll have to Vote: Darth Feather.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 08:41
This kinda sounds to me: I don't want to be lynched with kagemusha because we are both the scumbags, so I'll vote someone random who has a possibility of being lynched. My scumdar is bleeping.
This is an easy post for a guilty Darth Feather to make whether I am correct, or incorrect, about edse's guilt.
I agree that edse is acting mighty suspicious, and I think you're both probably mafia, but right now I'm leaning a bit more heavily towards you.
This is choxorn's scummiest post all game, imo. I can see it here. I didn't get a ping off of any of the other posts.
These are candidates 2 and 3, but 3 isn't really that close to 2.
If it's not edse at all for some reason it could be choxorn/feather, as a long shot. But I don't know if I can arrive there in time with edse looking so bad.
Yeah right, like I can just sit and be quiet ever.
This right here is I think where the BS meter should be spiking for everyone.
This is not a villager hunting scums, it's a scum trying to be diplomatic, or at least look like he doesn't want Kage dead, because it's a good confusion tactic.
You know nothing about Finnish mentality :D, or maybe I'm half Canadian, ehh?
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 08:49
Well, whatever you say won't change the fact that you are wrong, in this case. When I rightly convinced you that your own scan was faulty in Jarrema's academy game, I had hard proof in form of game mechanics to rely on. There's nothing of that now.
If you're saying Darth is your only alternative for the lynch, then I'll have to Vote: Darth Feather.
You're not convincing here, and it's not because of me being immovable on the matter.
I am not mafia this time and I didn't suddenly become stubborner than usual. I also think given your volume of posts this game, I could get a clear signal on you. Your behavior remains inexplicable to me, and it doesn't feel like you're hunting scums, and to put the cherry on top of the ice cream scumdae, voting for Darth Feather splits the village vote into 3 if you were a villager. The obvious move is to vote choxorn, you've at least got Zack's support.
You don't feel like you have any sense of urgency for lynching scumbags. Your brainwave is completely different from mine right now.
I have to find scumbag one and two right friggen now, I can't wait all round and there is no next round. Putting your vote on a third candidate purely based on the idea that I might be willing to vote there (and for no other reason at all) is not a villager brainwave.
A villager's hand is far more forced than yours feels right now. You just reek.
If you could make me understand your process, walk me through the journey of the moves you've made all game, you might have a fragment of a chance.
What you're doing right now is just digging the hole deeper.
I'm talking directly to you. I am not 100 percent locked in on you but you're my top suspect by a mile.
If you want to save this game and you are a villager, you have to make me understand your brainwave this round and last round. Utterly beyond my comprehension.
I know we're different people but I cannot follow you this game and you're not so completely different that I've ever felt this strongly about it before.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 08:51
You know nothing about Finnish mentality :D, or maybe I'm half Canadian, ehh?
I'm leaving room for the possibility that you and I approach the game very differently.
It doesn't explain everything. You really gotta buckle down and sell me, because there's zero chance we're winning this game on the same team unless you do something.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 08:58
If it's not edse at all and Zack is villager then I think Zack has to whack me upside the head, hold my hand, and direct us to the win. I don't think I get there on my own at all.
I don't know if Reidquat could budge me here, and he's also sold on edse.
If Zack's guilty this game is over barring a miracle. I'd probably have to get murdered.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 09:12
Talking to Zack and I wonder if I'll even get a reply to all the things I've spouted in his direction, heh. Pizza the manic mafia player.
Zack:
edse/choxorn?
Edse/Feather?
Feather/choxorn, the we're-probably-totally-screwed third option?
Any other options and I think we're definitely totally screwed.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 09:46
I will revisit this thread maybe once more this round, after that I'm at work until after the round ends.
My vote is locked in on edse unless Zack persuades me otherwise, or edse pulls a villagery rabbit out of his own butt.
You're not convincing here, and it's not because of me being immovable on the matter.
I am not mafia this time and I didn't suddenly become stubborner than usual. I also think given your volume of posts this game, I could get a clear signal on you. Your behavior remains inexplicable to me, and it doesn't feel like you're hunting scums, and to put the cherry on top of the ice cream scumdae, voting for Darth Feather splits the village vote into 3 if you were a villager. The obvious move is to vote choxorn, you've at least got Zack's support.
You don't feel like you have any sense of urgency for lynching scumbags. Your brainwave is completely different from mine right now.
I have to find scumbag one and two right friggen now, I can't wait all round and there is no next round. Putting your vote on a third candidate purely based on the idea that I might be willing to vote there (and for no other reason at all) is not a villager brainwave.
A villager's hand is far more forced than yours feels right now. You just reek.
If you could make me understand your process, walk me through the journey of the moves you've made all game, you might have a fragment of a chance.
What you're doing right now is just digging the hole deeper.
I'm talking directly to you. I am not 100 percent locked in on you but you're my top suspect by a mile.
If you want to save this game and you are a villager, you have to make me understand your brainwave this round and last round. Utterly beyond my comprehension.
I know we're different people but I cannot follow you this game and you're not so completely different that I've ever felt this strongly about it before.
I had two choices, following Zack's case or yours. I deemed the chance higher for me to survive if I followed yours since you said Darth were your only option except me.
I guess I just don't take it as seriously as you. I realise my careless behaviour works better in larger games and I'm sorry if I'm screwing the town over with these antics.
Kagemusha
03-17-2015, 10:48
Nothing like a good ole vanilla. How much ive missed this puzzle, even when im dead in the game.:yes:
Darth Feather
03-17-2015, 10:56
Talking to Zack and I wonder if I'll even get a reply to all the things I've spouted in his direction, heh. Pizza the manic mafia player.
Zack:
edse/choxorn?
Edse/Feather?
Feather/choxorn, the we're-probably-totally-screwed third option?
Any other options and I think we're definitely totally screwed.
Not true. If it is the team edse/Riedquat, we still stand a chance. So the possible teams (assuming you and Zack are not guilty) are edse/choxorn and edse/riedquat -> Vote edse is the only vote that makes sense
Also, edse has been acting scummy since yesterday. I will not let him get away with it, even if only out of principle.
If either you or zack are mafia: GG, Well played scumbags.
(this also counts for the team Riedquat/choxorn)
Kagemusha
03-17-2015, 11:04
Tally:
3 edse: (choxorn,ATPG, Darth Feather)
1 choxorn: (Zack)
1 Darth Feather: (edse)
Not voted: Riedquat
Riedquat
03-17-2015, 13:57
To me DF is smelling funnier than edse at this point, he also smelled fumy yesterday but edse too.
I'm going to Vote: Darth Feather today
Darth Feather
03-17-2015, 14:40
To me DF is smelling funnier than edse at this point, he also smelled fumy yesterday but edse too.
I'm going to Vote: Darth Feather today
Why you got to be that way? :bigcry:
Any scum should have been able to see that edse was going to be lynched today. If edse's their scum partner, they jump on the bandwagon early and look good tomorrow. If edse's town, they jump on the bandwagon early and secure the victory. It's what I would probably do. I would be shocked if all three people - choxorn, ATPG, Darth Feather - voting for edse were all town. Either that or an edse/Riedquat team is taking refuge in audacity, because such a team is not even trying to look town.
That said, might as well lynch edse today. He's going to be lynched at some point anyways.
Riedquat
03-17-2015, 18:46
Audacity is not good for my nerves! If we were scum partners I would be bussing edse actively and not voting for the same person he is voting...
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 21:21
I don't have time for anything but a vote switch.
3 hours left in the round.
I can leave my vote on edse and pretty much single handedly lose the game for the town if he's innocent...
Or I can at least take a shot at DF and give town a prayer of a chance if I suck at hunting mafia this game.
Either way, it's my fault if we lose.
Familiar territory for me. Let's see if the ole pizzaguy reversal is in the cards.
Be back after I dress for work.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 21:29
Okay. Clearing my head, and observing the result of my continued attempts to get fast eddie.
A) the only peeps who really got any pressure this game were kage the innocent and edse.
B) The persons choosing the murder target felt pretty good they could win the game with me alive and pursuing fast eddie.
C) Screw those people. :stare:
Unvote fast edse
Vote Darth Feather
Surprise.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2015, 21:30
Good luck town.
Darth Feather
03-17-2015, 22:01
Okay. Clearing my head, and observing the result of my continued attempts to get fast eddie.
A) the only peeps who really got any pressure this game were kage the innocent and edse.
B) The persons choosing the murder target felt pretty good they could win the game with me alive and pursuing fast eddie.
C) Screw those people. :stare:
Unvote fast edse
Vote Darth Feather
Surprise.
:wall:
GAME OVER, TOWN LOSES
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Wc3kwv0Ddw
Also, I hope edse is not scum, otherwise he got away with being scum and almost shouting "I am scum" :rtwno::rtwyes:
Darth Feather
03-17-2015, 22:13
Tic, toc, Riedquat, please change votes, please do :hail::hail: :hail: :hail:
I'll give you a nice piece of cake :cake:
Riedquat
03-18-2015, 00:01
Tic, toc, Riedquat, please change votes, please do :hail::hail: :hail: :hail:
I'll give you a nice piece of cake :cake:
Forget the cake, I accept paypal donations, check your inbox for the details, when I get teh money perhaps I will change my vote ;)
Tally:
2 edse: (choxorn, Darth Feather)
1 choxorn: (Zack)
3 Darth Feather: (edse, Riedquat, ATPG)
Age of Kings - Castle Age - End of Day 3
Darth Feather got knight rushed in the castle age. Edse and Choxorn then rounded up the remaining townies and deleted them for more population space.
Alive 5/10:
2. choxorn
4. Zack
5. edse
8. Askthepizzaguy
10. Riedquat
Dead:
7. Sprig, lynched Day 1, town.
3. Kennigit, killed Night 1, town.
9. Kagemusha, lynched Day 2, town.
1. El Barto, killed Night 2, town.
6. Darth feather, lynched Day 3, town.
MAFIA VICTORY
Congratulations Choxorn and Edse
Quicktopic: http://www.quicktopic.com/51/H/ekq5XbGX7n29k
Thanks all for playing and I hope you had fun. I'll be hosting another game shortly.
El Barto
03-18-2015, 01:09
I'm already in for that game as well.
I tried to bus my partner who was acting scummy as hell and the rest of the town still decided not to vote for him.
I don't remember the last time I tried to bus my partner and failed to get them lynched.
That was pretty funny.
I tried to bus my partner who was acting scummy as hell and the rest of the town still decided not to vote for him.
I don't remember the last time I tried to bus my partner and failed to get them lynched.
That was pretty funny.
It was a pretty easy bus, but maybe the town thought it was too easy?
https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?148838-Faster-Than-Light&p=2053630365#post2053630365
Another game in signups, feel free to join.
Riedquat
03-18-2015, 01:44
But... but... DF smelled funny tooo... :laugh4:
Well played! Nice game Visor!
I was exactly right and no one listened. :wall:
Kagemusha
03-18-2015, 05:32
edse! I was onto you! Good game everyone!:2thumbsup: Zack, i listened to you and your PIS tell was spot on.:bow:
I was actually referring to my accusation of choxorn, which was spot-on.
Any scum should have been able to see that edse was going to be lynched today. If edse's their scum partner, they jump on the bandwagon early and look good tomorrow. If edse's town, they jump on the bandwagon early and secure the victory.
I also said I would be fine with an edse lynch:
That said, might as well lynch edse today. He's going to be lynched at some point anyways.
But ATPG and Riedquat ignored me and voted for Darth Feather! :sweatdrop:
EDIT: Though I can't really take credit for edse. My PIS accusation was half-joking, as I didn't think edse was being serious. I also should have changed my vote to edse the last day, instead of assuming he was going to be lynched. Don't know why no one was willing to follow me on Choxorn though, I thought that was a lot more solid than the case against Darth Feather. Oh well. Even if I didn't win, my ego certainly came out on top, and that's what matters.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2015, 07:48
I'm fine with it, dragging it out another round would have seen me end up voting for Darth Feather in the finale for the choxorn solo win. This was quicker.
Talked myself both onto and off of edse. His defense was sub-par. It was so sub-par I felt like I was beating up a defenseless townie. Bleh.
I like scumbags to put up more of a fight than that.
Yeah, I'm sorry. But it felt like a more eager defence would get my lynched. Both you and Zack were so right this last day.
Thanks for the game.
Why Darth feather but not choxorn? That's what I don't understand.
Darth Feather
03-18-2015, 08:09
Well played, mafia. Thanks for hosting Visorslash :bow:
Why Darth feather but not choxorn? That's what I don't understand.
Neither do I. :yes:
Why Darth feather but not choxorn? That's what I don't understand.
Because I'm too sexy to be mafia.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2015, 08:43
Darth Feather felt like he was sheeping all my votes and arguments all game.
I didn't feel like he was doing his own work.
It wasn't just my suspects he agreed with, but the arguments I presented, he basically copied. That felt scummy.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2015, 08:47
On another subject, I felt like I really broke out of my "askthepizzaguy looks just as scummy when he's a townie" thing.
I really felt like I couldn't have made several of the posts I made this game as a scumbag. Not only that, I actually got the village and even the scummos to concur.
What did I do that was townier than usual this game? Or did I just get a no-reason pass.
I was never in lynch danger, really.
Also, Zack and I didn't go for each other's throats, which I generally expect to happen unless we both end up getting cleared somehow in a larger game. Not because I don't like Zack, because I do, but because big personalities tend to occupy their own ponds and try to destroy all the other similarly-sized fishes.
This is an improvement over previous games where I just couldn't trust Zack and vice-versa.
Shame it didn't result in actual, like, benefits, n stuff. My bad.
I dunno, I could say the same for myself. You just seemed town, and there were much better suspects.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2015, 09:21
We were distracted by the edse.
Darth Feather felt like he was sheeping all my votes and arguments all game.
I didn't feel like he was doing his own work.
It wasn't just my suspects he agreed with, but the arguments I presented, he basically copied. That felt scummy.
I was sheeping your arguments, too! I mean, sure, I came up with my own reasons for going after Kagemusha, but I was totally following you like a sheep the entire game.
Kagemusha
03-18-2015, 15:25
I think you played very well Choxorn and even if edse would have been lynched this round. I agree with ATPG that you would have likely still won a solo victory. Well played.:yes:
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2015, 19:57
I was sheeping your arguments, too! I mean, sure, I came up with my own reasons for going after Kagemusha, but I was totally following you like a sheep the entire game.
I didn't think you did so to the extent of Darth Feather.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2015, 20:02
My gut feeling says Takhisis El Barto is scummy.
My gut feeling also says: "Beware ATPG." But it always is suspicious of pizza's.
Lynch vote seems to be between kagemusha and edse.
I am hoping the pizza is correct. Vote : Kagemusha
For example, this post quite explicitly sheeps me.
Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because only a great fool would choose the wine he was given. I am not a great fool so I clearly cannot choose the wine in front of you.
But you would have known that I'm not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I clearly cannot choose the wine in front of me.
"I would have killed someone last night if I was scum?" That's you, Kagemusha, putting the poison into my goblet, and expecting me to drink it.
Well, I switched glasses while your back was turned.
Vote: Kagemusha
Whereas this one might be voting for the same person, but isn't as explicitly sheeping of Askthepizzaguy.
It might even be its own argument, that Kage was using WIFOM, so it's a reaction to that.
This kinda sounds to me: I don't want to be lynched with kagemusha because we are both the scumbags, so I'll vote someone random who has a possibility of being lynched. My scumdar is bleeping.
Which is an argument I just friggen made, that they were scum together.
You follow me now?
Darth Feather was Askthepizzaguy's little toddler, following him around and mimicking his thought patterns.
Choxorn might have been following me, but he looked like choxorn while he did it. That was the deciding factor.
Hey, I don't mind having people who vote with me, but Darth Feather looked like the laziest mafia of all time.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2015, 20:08
Whatevs. Add one more round to the game and the team might have been toast, I had it narrowed down by marking people off as villagers to edse, Darth Feather, and choxorn as candidate number three, while it might have been much more Feathery than choxorn-y on my suspect page, I was never voting Zack and I was never voting Reidquat.
It's a lot harder to solve a game based on folks' behavior in a tiny game. It's a lot more guessy and a lot less facty. I managed to find one whole scummy post of choxorn's, and it took most of the game for him to even generate that post. Whereas Darth Feather started acting sheepy much sooner. That means choxorn managed to look less scummy than a townie, which is the whole point and why he deserves to win.
Edse looked like a guilty edse since the start of day two, and never really stopped. It's not like the scumdar is broken over here. It's just working with fewer guesses and less game time than most mafia games.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2015, 20:12
And Kagemusha is dead sexy, so I felt like calling him sexy and then making him dead, you know, that's... that's just something I'm going to do eventually in a game, might as well get it over with.
...
What? I'm straight, but Kage's body is straight bangin'. :clown:
Kagemusha
03-18-2015, 21:26
And Kagemusha is dead sexy, so I felt like calling him sexy and then making him dead, you know, that's... that's just something I'm going to do eventually in a game, might as well get it over with.
...
What? I'm straight, but Kage's body is straight bangin'. :clown:
“Death is a natural part of life. Rejoice for those around you who transform into the Force. Mourn them do not. Miss them do not. Attachment leads to jealously. The shadow of greed, that is.”
-Yoda
~;)
Darth Feather
03-18-2015, 21:49
Darth Feather felt like he was sheeping all my votes and arguments all game.
I didn't feel like he was doing his own work.
It wasn't just my suspects he agreed with, but the arguments I presented, he basically copied. That felt scummy.
I am sorry :shame: I'll try to do better next time.
I just need some more practice as a vanilla townie (I have been scum or power-role a lot. Townie a lot less)
No excuse, I know but maybe it counts as mitigating circumstances
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2015, 23:03
Well, I'm more a proponent of the idea that if a villager finds you to be scummy, and you're a villager, the onus is on them to improve. So I should have known the difference between Darth Feather and Jedi Master Feather in this game.
That was the original theory. I like the theory. It makes sense. But the theory does have its flaws.
Every once in a while, I run across actually bad villager performances. (Yours was not such a thing this game, I'm not suggesting that)
There are some cases where a villager could have, you know, been a more villagery villager. Doing everything in his power to look identical to a scumbag is kind of his own fault, sometimes.
And then I remember that my own scum game looks almost identical to my villager game, and I have to work really, really hard to look even slightly different from my scum game. I keep putting the onus on others to "get me" when I'm a villager, but then I don't do a whole lot about it except try very hard to identify scums and explain why they're scums. Which is the entire behavior I fake when I'm scum, so it looks the same.
In this game, I specifically composed posts I never think of composing while scum. Give you some examples:
Time to pull a Crazed Rabbit:
I am not the Mafia. I am not the mafia. I am not mafia. I am not Mafia. I am not guilty. I am not Guilty. I am town. I am Town.
And now, to pull a Pizzaguy:
The preceding message is false. The previous statement is true. The previous statement is false. The previous statement is false if the next statement is true. This statement is false.
I don't know if there's any actual content here. What I'm trying to get across here, is my tone. I'm talking about nothing on purpose, and putting my brain wave on blast, hoping someone is scanning it properly.
Ya da ta tee
ya da ta tum
This post is written by a townie
Ya da da tut tut tah.
Skiddly doo!
More tone.
I don't think I just make random-ass posts where I say look at how townie I am when I'm scum. I don't think I've ever done that once before.
And here's unintentional villageriness.
posts 142 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?148786-Age-of-Kings-Mafia&p=2053630112&viewfull=1#post2053630112) and 143 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?148786-Age-of-Kings-Mafia&p=2053630115&viewfull=1#post2053630115):
I'm trying too hard to talk to edse like he might possibly be innocent, because as a villager, I'm concerned my cases result in lynched villagers and even if I'm convinced someone is guilty I want them to not think it's a lost cause to just talk to me. Because edse is my famous example of someone just talking me out of what amounts to a guilty scan result. And I tried it this game, and in spite of my vote switch, I never felt like he had managed to exonerate himself. And that's why switching was particularly dumb of me. If I were scum, I have no reason to think twice about successfully lynching someone based off of a case I made, particularly when the suspect is giving a bad defense. That's kind of my entire deal, I need to cause the wrong lynches, and succeeding is not something I want to walk away from, especially for no reason.
I don't think I could organically arrive at writing those two posts back to back while scum.
Also, since I'm acting while being scum, I doubt I just talk to myself at length for like 9 posts in a row, like I usually do when villager. I'm usually trying to convince someone else of something, not babble at myself.
Interesting.
I bet you if I try to emulate those behaviors as a scumbag I fail at it miserably. I think it would be hard to fake it.
Not only that, I bet if I dug through my mafia game archive, I couldn't find a game where I successfully faked those things or even had it occur to me to do so.
Not sure where I'm going with this.
In this game, you just happened to coincidentally look exactly like a scumbag who was sheeping me.
It's like a case of mistaken identity. I think the premise behind suspecting that behavior was good, and I think that kind of behavior actually is a scumtell, and you were just a villager who happened to do things that are scummy in the course of the normal events of the game.
I don't think you did anything that you need to improve on, but, at the same time, if you could figure out a way to look more villagery when you're a villager, that would be an improvement.
There's always room to improve, even if you didn't make a mistake of any kind.
It's like in chess where you find a good, solid chess move, but there was an even better one on the board that led to a more decisive result. You don't have to be in the wrong to find areas of improvement.
Meanwhile, I need to absorb the wisdom of "If you chase two rabbits, you will lose them both".
Trying to improve my villager game by naming two suspects per round and trying to make both of them be under pressure didn't work out so hot this game.
And letting edse live while I still thought he was scummy as heck just to be less predictable was also not wise.
I just don't think it's that scummy. Someone agreeing with you and being a "sheep" is pretty weak stuff to build a case on, especially since such behavior is not even remotely unique to scum. Hell, edse fought against you every step of the way, and he was scum. In every game, there are plenty of townies who will follow the leader (and it's obviously not this so-called leader's fault). If you want to try and steer people away from simply reading your posts and nodding their heads, directly ask them to name suspects and give their own reasoning. Make them give their opinion(s) and analysis without just repeating your (or someone else's) words back at you.
In the end, I think you got too caught up in trivial matters and ended up missing the forest for the trees.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2015, 00:35
Yeah, it may be a tell that's not so useful as a tell, because some townies just do that.
I never really thought of Darth Feather as that kind of townie, though. I thought it was unusual for him, which would have made it more useful as a tell.
Except it wasn't.
These are the things we learn as we go, even after so many years.
Are you sure you don't ever talk to yourself as a scum?
And, for what it's worth, I got a very town read from you this game, much more of one than I usually get from you, but then again, I knew you were town.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2015, 05:47
Are you sure you don't ever talk to yourself as a scum?
And, for what it's worth, I got a very town read from you this game, much more of one than I usually get from you, but then again, I knew you were town.
I'm not completely sure, but I'm aware of what's on my agenda when I'm bullshitting in a mafia game, and I'm usually more concerned about pretending like I'm hunting scum, asking questions, and making cases, rather than talking out loud as I'm attempting to work it out on paper.
I think.
Also, you were wrong, I was totally a serial killer in this game. I took out two townies before I was murdered by the mafia.
So are we allowed to swear on here now or what?
So are we allowed to swear on here now or what?
For a while now yeah. They changed the rules sometime back.
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2015, 08:12
Yeah, I recall they relaxed the rules on language. I think we're supposed to avoid F-bombs and insulting other members, but I mean why would you sit here all day insulting people anyway?
El Barto
03-20-2015, 01:39
Another game in signups, feel free to join.
I somehow read that as 'feel free to john'.
Yeah, I recall they relaxed the rules on language. I think we're supposed to avoid F-bombs and insulting other members, but I mean why would you sit here all day insulting people anyway?
I… can think of a lot of reasons.
I… can think of a lot of reasons.
For the sitting or the insulting?
El Barto
03-22-2015, 02:16
For both, Zaccino, for both.
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