Loyalist Rebellions in conqured provences

[Lord Romulous]

anyone worked out the average amount of time you need to occupy a provence to stop getting the loyalist rebellions and start getting ordinary peasant rebellion/others types of rebellions.

i want to try the attack a provence, burn rape and pillage and then withdraw routine post patch.

as most would be aware you can not undertake this task like you could pre patch. if you capture a provence, pillage and withdraw then the provence will experience a large loyalist rebellion quite often significantly larger and higher teched than the original army you fought to capture the provence in the first place.

so in other words try this technique pre patch and your actually helping your enemies.

what i want to do is work out how long i need to occupy a provence until the rebellions stop being loyalist ones and start being regular.

that way i can withdraw. a neutral rebel army gains the provence with a high tech and large army. and my enemy loses a provence and to retake needs to battle the rebels. plus i can trade with the rebels too

[malkuth]

One way to tell is to watch the Loyality of the providence each turn. You will notice it goes up every turn. Eventually you can start Pulling troops out. But it takes awhile for it to get up there on its own.

[Lord Romulous]

true malkuth but you can dump a 1000 man army on a provence and have the loyalty at 200%. if you withdraw all those troops the next turn you will get a loyalist rebellion of the previous owner. i am interested to know how long you have keep your troops in the provence before you get ordinary rebels upon withdrawing not loyalist ones.

[BatkoMahno]

Sorry Romulus but even your enemys has spyes. Often after a rebel uprising there is lyalist uprise who fights against rebels. So its a little bit random there. If there is a rebel uprise loyalist are still there. I don't know if this can happend in certain provinces or in all provinces.

[LadyAnn]

I believe it is 10 years. You may have loyalist rebel even if you have more than 100% loyalty. It depends on a bunch of factors, but I found I must put an occupation army for about 10 years to keep the province safe. On unimproved province (early in game), it takes 4 years to build a fort (which help reduce rebellion), another 2 to build town guards, perhaps 4 years for a church or building the economy. I would appoint a loyal governor, make sure there is no 2-loyalty units in the area, and make my King pay a visit (as soon as a port is constructed if it is on an island). I would have tax pardon during these years as well and send a general with high dread. A general that execute prisoners before.

These are the things I would do in the 10 years or so after I got a province.

Annie

[malkuth]

Lady thats alot of too do's when you are in a big war and take 3 or 10 providences in that war. I find just having an occupation force of lower units will eventually ween out the Rebels. Eventually you can hold these with 3 or less units. Trouble spots like Portugal and stuff will always take tons of troops to hold though.