View Full Version : Thanks US marines!
Huge massacre prevented, I often take that train to Paris. A person who has culture had 9 mags so this could have turned out really badly. Thanks for being this sharp guys
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34023361
Kadagar_AV
08-22-2015, 11:33
You are the worst thread starter ever...
But so people don't have to guess, Frags is talking about the train-shootings in France.
And hell yes, seems like some USMC guys overmanned the shooter and saved countless lives... My dad used to take the same train weekly, so it'll be buying the next USMC I meet a shot on me :)
wooly_mammoth
08-22-2015, 11:58
So, how does a random guy end up walking around with an AK-47, revolver, combat knife and enough ammo to shoot a whole train?
Kadagar_AV
08-22-2015, 12:13
So, how does a random guy end up walking around with an AK-47, revolver, combat knife and enough ammo to shoot a whole train?
Guess?
Also, let's call the shooter "a/the muslim" instead of "a random guy". There's nothing random about it.
So, how does a random guy end up walking around with an AK-47, revolver, combat knife and enough ammo to shoot a whole train?
Well, putting it in a bag, and taking it out of the bag
Kadagar_AV
08-22-2015, 14:37
Watching the interview with the one soldier not in hospital, and 2 others who helped, it reminded me of this scene...
:2thumbsup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxZ0UZf0mkk
rickinator9
08-22-2015, 14:57
I think we are pretty fortunate this is the first time someone has tried to massacre a train. In the Netherlands, where I live, nobody checks the trains for gun-wielding people like this guy. It must be very easy to just board a train with a couple of guns and shoot everyone up.
Good job on the marines being there and acting, since this could have ended much worse.
Greyblades
08-22-2015, 16:02
Guns are new but there have been a couple of train bombings during 7/7.
Hooahguy
08-22-2015, 16:20
Actually it wasnt US Marines (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34023361), it was a member of the US Air Force and the National Guard. Plus another civilian.
I think we are pretty fortunate this is the first time someone has tried to massacre a train. In the Netherlands, where I live, nobody checks the trains for gun-wielding people like this guy. It must be very easy to just board a train with a couple of guns and shoot everyone up.
The same is true for roads. There should be people checking people when they leave their homes.
Actually it wasnt US Marines (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34023361), it was a member of the US Air Force and the National Guard. Plus another civilian.
That's what I read. I assume some people turn every hero into a marine because "Es muss sein!"
But good job stopping that terrorist either way!
Pannonian
08-22-2015, 17:50
Actually it wasnt US Marines (http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34023361), it was a member of the US Air Force and the National Guard. Plus another civilian.
Predictable combination job. The air force alone can't do the job, you need boots on the ground as well, plus civilian skillsets for the reconstruction.
Watching the interview with the one soldier not in hospital, and 2 others who helped, it reminded me of this scene...
:2thumbsup:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxZ0UZf0mkk
Reminds me of a more politically correct version of Team Americans "dicks, pussies and assholes" speech.
Kadagar_AV
08-22-2015, 18:40
Reminds me of a more politically correct version of Team Americans "dicks, pussies and assholes" speech.
Elaborate?
That's what I read. I assume some people turn every hero into a marine because "Es muss sein!"
But good job stopping that terrorist either way!
At least they weren't rumoured to be Navy SEALs.
Hooahguy
08-22-2015, 23:12
At least they weren't rumoured to be Navy SEALs.
If they were then there would be three books out already, and each of them would be contradicting one another. Then a movie or two would be made.
Hooahguy
08-23-2015, 18:34
Ayoub El-Khazzani, the man suspected of attempting a massacre on a French train, is "dumbfounded" that he is being accused of terrorism and claims he found the AK-47 assault rifle "by chance" (http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/train-gunman-ayoub-elkhazzani-is-dumbfounded-at-terror-allegations-claims-he-found-ak47-by-chance-in-a-park-10467965.html)
Haha, creative defense after he stabbed a guy and shot another one.
I assume he won't get away with it though.
500 French they said. What were they doing? 500 French men, three Americans, and one Brit. The Americans and Brits all charge, and the French...stand in fear?...run in fear? What?
Well it could be true, there is a lively trade in AK's in Brussels and they are often dropped in parks to be picked up. Having nine mags kinda makes it, well.... kinda kinda....
"three Americans, and one Brit." Deleted. Not worth of an answer.
"three Americans, and one Brit." Deleted. Not worth of an answer.
Kisses, little pussy cat babydoll? ~:wave:
Hooahguy
08-23-2015, 20:48
500 French they said. What were they doing? 500 French men, three Americans, and one Brit. The Americans and Brits all charge, and the French...stand in fear?...run in fear? What?
To be fair, it was on a train, and Ive been on that kind of train before on the same railway line and the bathrooms are in the back of each car as I remember. According to the report, a Frenchman first struggled with the terrorist when he tried to enter the bathroom, and then the gun went off, injuring the Frenchman, and alerted the others to the danger.
What Brenus didn't seem to realize is that it was a serious question. None of the articles talk about what the French were doing. I really wanna know how they reacted. That is the first I heard of action on behalf of the French.
"Kisses, little pussy cat babydoll?" I went in 3 wars, was injured in 1. How many for you?
Montmorency
08-23-2015, 21:11
Actually, the articles do talk about how the French reacted. A Frenchman and a French-American were the first to fight the gunman. They were wounded. A French actor in an adjoining car cut his hand badly while activating the emergency brake during the fistfight, after which he moved to protect his partner and children. The French train employees fled into the engine car and locked themselves in as soon as the gunman first revealed himself.
Also, there were about 500 people on the entire train. I don't think you are one of those who believe in monogender or gender neutrality. And speaking of cars, trains are subdivided into cars, meaning that most of the people who were capable of resisting at the scene did in fact resist, assuming there were not more than say 50 people in the one car.
"Actually, the articles do talk about how the French reacted. A Frenchman and a French-American were the first to fight the gunman. They were wounded. A French actor in an adjoining car cut his hand badly while activating the emergency brake during the fistfight, after which he moved to protect his partner and children. " Don't bother. He is not interested in truth or reality, only by his prejudices. "500 people" in a car gives you an inside of his process of what could be link with thinking...
To be fair, it was on a train, and Ive been on that kind of train before on the same railway line and the bathrooms are in the back of each car as I remember. According to the report, a Frenchman first struggled with the terrorist when he tried to enter the bathroom, and then the gun went off, injuring the Frenchman, and alerted the others to the danger.
Not each, every three or so. I always take the Thalys if I go to Paris as I am afraid of hights, so I don't fly.
Kadagar_AV
08-23-2015, 23:06
500 French they said. What were they doing? 500 French men, three Americans, and one Brit. The Americans and Brits all charge, and the French...stand in fear?...run in fear? What?
Well, the french personnel on the train did act, they locked themselves into their lunch-room.
From what I have heard there is not a single report of any train personnel doing even one thing.
Hey, the heroes even clearly state the train personnel ran past them without even warning.
With that said, I feel this is hard on the French... They are more multicultural than most, and this is low wage jobs... Odds are the train personnel was of the same nation as the damn shooter.
"three Americans, and one Brit." Deleted. Not worth of an answer.
Actually it is... Cultures DO exist. You can shy away from it all you want, but that's life :shrug:
America and the Brits has obviously fostered a culture where they even abroad don't hesitate to run towards a guy with an assault rifle. That takes a LOT of "well meaning for the betterment of mankind", so to say.
The first guy who ran (the one still in hospital) was 100% surely sure he would be injured or killed, but it was worth it for him, as otherwise more people would come to harm.
You DO NOT, I repeat, you do NOT run towards a guy with an assault rifle and knife out to kill expecting not to be hurt, badly damaged, or killed. However, if 3 people run towards, it saves as many lives as the terrorist has time and ammunition and means for.
I do not think I can ever be accused of being an US fan boy... But let's face it, they have at least done SOMETHING right.
"Kisses, little pussy cat babydoll?" I went in 3 wars, was injured in 1. How many for you?
I can only answer for me, but... Enough.
With that said we still need people who run towards danger instead of away from danger.
Vuk actually brings up a point... I always wondered why people flee like cattle when faced with violence. I can honestly say my reaction would have been the same as Spencers, sometimes you have to take one for the team.
*and he did it ABROAD*
Violence must be FOUGHT, not shied away from.
Stupid cattle, if at least they could vote right we wouldn't have as much problems with predators :(
All what Vuk and you wrote is crap and you know it.:laugh4:
And that why the 3 US and 1 GB (one of them being half French apparently, but is now only US or Brits) are heroes.
"America and the Brits has obviously fostered a culture where they even abroad don't hesitate to run towards a guy with an assault rifle." So stupid comment, no need to dig... Like in Tunisia and in USA you mean?
"A Frenchman and a French-American were the first to fight the gunman. They were wounded." Do you know to read, or you prejudices make you jump the line?
Didn't notice during the Tunis massacre that Vuk or you saying the dead from UK were cowards as none of the British in holidays tried to stop the killer, nor when some lunatic in USA open fire in schools or super markets, the public reaction is to escape.
This is apparently reserved to French. So it b**** S****.
And until Vuk displays his of course impressive actions during war time I will not consider his prejudices as valid. To have completed the entire Call of Duty series is not having completed your Tour of Duty.
And to be frank, even if Vuk or you were the most impressive warriors of all the time, that still won't allow you to judge any person fleeing a killer, French or not.
The stupidity to assume than in a train going from Brussels to Paris was full of only 3 USA, 1 British and all the rest being French is absolute.
The stupidity to even assume that every one was aware of what happen is absolute.
The stupidity to assume that courage is due to nationality is absolute.
With all due respect Brenus (and your replies garner little), what does it matter if I have fought in a war or not??
Does that mean that I cannot look at facts and arrive at correct conclusions? Is logic something mystically handed down to you by Odin in the midst of combat?
Don't tell me that I do not have a right to an opinion because you disagree. What can I say...that is very French of you. "That person disagrees with us! Send them to the guillotine!"
Of course there are people who have served and have not served who arrive at each of our conclusions, so your point is invalid.
Yes, people will run from danger in every Country (as the US becomes more like France and feminizes and disarms, it happens here even more), but a crew who is tasked with the safety of the passengers would never have ran without alerting someone in the US.
It still stands that there were many more French than Americans and the percentage of Americans who responded to the percentage of French who responded speaks hugely about the culture of the two countries.
Frances entire history in the last 100 years backs this point up even more.
With all due respect Brenus (and your replies garner little)
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
Montmorency
08-24-2015, 16:21
It still stands that there were many more French than Americans and the percentage of Americans who responded to the percentage of French who responded speaks hugely about the culture of the two countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Railroad_car
"Frances entire history in the last 100 years backs this point up even more." 1,600,000 killed during WW1 to defend the country.
And I agree. I shouldn't mention the fact I have experience in war.
The fact your entire argument is stupid and has absolutely no grounds is largely enough.
Kadagar_AV
08-24-2015, 20:58
Brenus, I AM aware that most people run.
That however doesn't mean I would, nor do I think it's logical, nor will it stop me from seeing them as cattle.
Still doesn't explain why the train personnel locked themselves into a room without doing **** to help though. You don't need to be a hero to do that, doing your job would have been sufficient.
EDIT: Note that I nowhere trashed "The French"... Don't mistake me for Vuk.
Also, the way you quote still sucks... Can it be THAT hard to use the "quote function". It was like you were attacking me AND Vuk and it was for a newcomer impossible to understand who said what.
Feel free to attack my arguments, but don't mistake them for other people's...
Montmorency
08-24-2015, 21:28
Still doesn't explain why the train personnel locked themselves into a room without doing **** to help though. You don't need to be a hero to do that, doing your job would have been sufficient.
Probably, fighting off armed attackers isn't in their job description. In all likelihood their procedure in such events was followed to the letter here.
Police officers, on the other hand...
According to some reports,[7] Gelman started banging on the door of a motorman's cab, demanding to be let in, at which point two police officers assigned to the manhunt arrived and subdued him after a struggle with Lozito's help. However, other accounts[10][11] stated that Lozito engaged in a physical confrontation that subdued Gelman, while officers Terrance Howell and Tamara Taylor hid in the motorman's cab, and did not come out until Lozito had disarmed Gelman and pinned him on the ground.[7][10]
[...]
In the spring of 2012, Joseph Lozito, who was brutally stabbed and "grievously wounded, deeply slashed around the head and neck", sued police for negligence in failing to render assistance to him as he was being attacked by Gelman.[19][20][21] Lozito told reporters that he decided to file the lawsuit after learning from "a grand-jury member" that NYPD officer Terrance Howell testified that he hid from Gelman before and while Lozito was being attacked because Howell thought Gelman had a gun.[22][23] In response to the suit, attorneys for the City of New York argued that police had no duty to protect Lozito or any other person from Gelman.[22] On July 25, 2013, Judge Margaret Chan dismissed Lozito's suit; stating while sympathetic to the Lozito's account and not doubting his testimony, agreed that police had "no special duty" to protect Lozito.[
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maksim_Gelman_stabbing_spree
Let's be honest here, when someone attacks civilian targets in a crowded public space, it will just as likely be private citizens who have to subdue them than either government agents or commercial security personnel. It's cheaper to offload the actual burden on the civilians - it's why the whole War on Terror has spent so many billions on guarding against non-existent threats; that way the contracts keep flowing, everyone gets paid, and no worries...
Kadagar_AV
08-24-2015, 22:00
Probably, fighting off armed attackers isn't in their job description. In all likelihood their procedure in such events was followed to the letter here.
IIRC That train have wagons with "compartments" as well, not just open ones...
They could have used their master key, locked the doors, and told people to shut the curtains and take shelter?
They could at least have given a damn "heads up" as they ran?
They could have tried to at least get like ONE passenger into the locked room with them?
I wouldn't ask of a, say, poor 56 year old woman having a low wage job, to turn into superman... But GEEZ!!
rory_20_uk
08-24-2015, 22:20
They were french. To overcome adversity in France again requires the Americans and the English. ~;)
~:smoking:
Hooahguy
08-24-2015, 22:22
Well sheer panic tends to cloud judgement and all rational thinking for most people I imagine in situations like this. I havent been in this situation so personally I won't judge.
Kadagar_AV
08-25-2015, 00:26
Well sheAr panic tends to cloud judgement and all rational thinking for most people I imagine in situations like this. I havent been in this situation so personally I won't judge.
FIFY
Montmorency
08-25-2015, 01:08
HG used the correct spelling.
Kadagar_AV
08-25-2015, 01:20
HG used the correct spelling.
You missed the point.
Shear panic... Google it if you don't get it.
:drummer:
"Well sheer panic tends to cloud judgement and all rational thinking for most people I imagine in situations like this." It is due to training. The French guy who first try was injured as he try to protect his family. The US soldiers had training and time to think. They were able to see a jammed weapon, so they took the right decision.
Kadagar_AV
08-25-2015, 07:36
"Well sheer panic tends to cloud judgement and all rational thinking for most people I imagine in situations like this." It is due to training. The French guy who first try was injured as he try to protect his family. The US soldiers had training and time to think. They were able to see a jammed weapon, so they took the right decision.
It is NOT down to training... Removed
That's why the army test so hard, to separate the cattle from the gold.
Brenus claimed he has been to 3 wars, but the first time questioned about it then back stepped and explained he wasn't in arms. He was, like, just there... Humanitarian, you know?
To have completed the entire Call of Duty series is not having completed your Tour of Duty.
Do not hound for personal information.
Also, you still haven't mastered the quote function that has been around since the internet was borne.
"This comes from a guy who proclaimed he has been to 3 wars, but the first time questioned about it then back stepped and explained he wasn't in arms. He was, like, just there... Humanitarian, you know?" Yeap. And? I never step back. You see, I was a professional soldier during 5 years, that give me the hint about training. I went in 3 war, which give a good view how brutal the thing is.
How do you thing I've got injured? In sitting behind my keyboard? I was not just there. I volunteer to go to help refugees to survive winter and war, when the "armed" soldiers were just sitting in their bunkers.
:laugh4: You really think I din't see you coming? Poor, poor. poor old Kadagar... Your world is so narrow... I was hoping to be wrong, to be fair. But no, you are who/what you look to be...
Now, tell me in what my 3 wars differ from what you consider a normal way to do to war? Well, except the fact I was unarmed... Are the bullets different? Or the bombs, perhaps? Or to go in valley that could be a death trap?
"Also, you still haven't mastered the quote function that has been around since the internet was borne." As your previous intervention, irrelevant, a diversion...
Kadagar_AV
08-25-2015, 08:09
Above post.
On this forum we only have so much trust to work with.
As explained in PM, we trust each-other to be honest and the curousity not to hound for personal information.
If you have the experience you claim, I am sorry for questioning it, removed
If indeed your experience is true you have plenty of more chances to redeem your reputation, even on a anonymous board... So don't take it to harsh :) But he doesn't have to post IRL information to do this nor should he have to.
Pannonian
08-25-2015, 08:53
They were french. To overcome adversity in France again requires the Americans and the English. ~;)
~:smoking:
The French have traditionally needed Englishmen on the scene in order to overcome adversity in France. Of course, most of the time we were the adversity that they were overcoming, but that's beside the point.
Above post
:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:
"Well sheer panic tends to cloud judgement and all rational thinking for most people I imagine in situations like this." It is due to training. The French guy who first try was injured as he try to protect his family. The US soldiers had training and time to think. They were able to see a jammed weapon, so they took the right decision.
http://www.youngcons.com/fourth-american-identified-as-paris-train-hero/
Sorry mate, that first Frenchman was an American to. Put that in your pipe and do something with it, mate.
http://www.youngcons.com/fourth-american-identified-as-paris-train-hero/
Sorry mate, that first Frenchman was an American to. Put that in your pipe and do something with it, mate.
If France is so bad, why do all these American heroes want to go there by train?
"Is it true what you say? Might be, might not" If you are telling I am a liar, do tell. Then, I will ask for full apologies, as of course, I am not. And of course, I have all what I need to prove it.
A little bit of reading and the pictures I posted in the past would save you from humiliation...
"The fact you crumbled when questioned?" Huh? When? You ask the 3 wars I went in, I told you. Then, as your world is narrow, you assume it was as soldier which I corrected. You still didn't tell what difference it would made as war experience to be a humanitarian, but didn't expect that much.
I am proud to have been in Humanitarian help. It is not lesser than to be soldier. As I said I was both.
So to summary:
You are telling that I am a liar for:
- Having being a professional Soldier: Yes-No. If you tick yes, I will post pictures and I will demand full apologies.
- I went in 3 wars: Yes-No. If you tick yes, I will post pictures,and I will demand full apologies
- I was injured in a war: Yes-No. If you tick yes, you know what will happened.
Are you doing it?
"Sorry mate, but you can not claim things around issues close to my heart, and then fold first time you are called." Chiche? In French in the text. Do it. If you dare. You are good in insults, I want to see if you are good in apologies. Come on...
"Sorry mate, that first Frenchman was an American to. Put that in your pipe and do something with it, mate"
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/french-american-anything-hero-attack-080106497.html#vAaDRTF
Wrong again, I am sorry, but you start to know the feeling
" According to French President Francois Hollande, a Frenchman was the first to encounter the gunman as he left the toilet, alerting others in the area. That person, Hollande said, wished to remain anonymous." Sorry. Not really, but...
Gilrandir
08-26-2015, 16:00
If France is so bad, why do all these American heroes want to go there by train?
Are you sure they want to go THERE rather than go THROUGH THERE?
So to summary:
You are telling that I am a liar for:
- Having being a professional Soldier: Yes-No. If you tick yes, I will post pictures and I will demand full apologies.
- I went in 3 wars: Yes-No. If you tick yes, I will post pictures,and I will demand full apologies
- I was injured in a war: Yes-No. If you tick yes, you know what will happened.
According to what I've been taught all those 1,5 years on these boards, the evidence from a person "emotionally invested" in the discussed topic is not the one to be trusted. It may turn out (self)propaganda, even if it is a video or a picture (both of which can be workmanlike fakes).
Although, if you manage to provide evidence from several reliable news agencies (the limited list includes BBC, Reuters and AlJazeera) the public here may reconsider the verdict of initial distrust.
" According to French President Francois Hollande, a Frenchman was the first to encounter the gunman as he left the toilet, alerting others in the area. That person, Hollande said, wished to remain anonymous." Sorry. Not really, but...
Uh-oh. No, no, NO. All statements by western (as well as Ukrainian) officials are self-advertizing propaganda. Let me quote yourself:
Bla bla bla bla. From Ukrainianationalist.com, I suppose, or equivalent (Ukr.gov.propaganda.com?).
So you evidently have taken your information from FrenchmenAreAValiantNation.com or Fr.gov.propaganda.com.
"Is it true what you say? Might be, might not" If you are telling I am a liar, do tell. Then, I will ask for full apologies, as of course, I am not. And of course, I have all what I need to prove it.
A little bit of reading and the pictures I posted in the past would save you from humiliation...
"The fact you crumbled when questioned?" Huh? When? You ask the 3 wars I went in, I told you. Then, as your world is narrow, you assume it was as soldier which I corrected. You still didn't tell what difference it would made as war experience to be a humanitarian, but didn't expect that much.
I am proud to have been in Humanitarian help. It is not lesser than to be soldier. As I said I was both.
So to summary:
You are telling that I am a liar for:
- Having being a professional Soldier: Yes-No. If you tick yes, I will post pictures and I will demand full apologies.
- I went in 3 wars: Yes-No. If you tick yes, I will post pictures,and I will demand full apologies
- I was injured in a war: Yes-No. If you tick yes, you know what will happened.
Are you doing it?
"Sorry mate, but you can not claim things around issues close to my heart, and then fold first time you are called." Chiche? In French in the text. Do it. If you dare. You are good in insults, I want to see if you are good in apologies. Come on...
"Sorry mate, that first Frenchman was an American to. Put that in your pipe and do something with it, mate"
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/french-american-anything-hero-attack-080106497.html#vAaDRTF
Wrong again, I am sorry, but you start to know the feeling
" According to French President Francois Hollande, a Frenchman was the first to encounter the gunman as he left the toilet, alerting others in the area. That person, Hollande said, wished to remain anonymous." Sorry. Not really, but...
I am sure you aren't liar but I am calling you one anyway just for the pics
Are you sure they want to go THERE rather than go THROUGH THERE?
The train ends in Paris, so...
As for the superior culture, you are probably more likely to get shoty by a cop in the US over a broken tail light (or to get shot at all in the US) than you are to get shot by a jihadist in France, but don't let that get into the way of an awesome argument over how much worse French culture is.
Kadagar_AV
08-26-2015, 16:48
The train ends in Paris, so...
As for the superior culture, you are probably more likely to get shoty by a cop in the US over a broken tail light (or to get shot at all in the US) than you are to get shot by a jihadist in France, but don't let that get into the way of an awesome argument over how much worse French culture is.
Seem to mainly be because of behavioral issues...
Chris Rock explains it here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uj0mtxXEGE8
Gilrandir
08-26-2015, 16:49
The train ends in Paris, so...
Perhaps their destination was Barcelona, and they just changed trains in Paris.
Perhaps their destination was Barcelona, and they just changed trains in Paris.
Seems unlikely: http://www.today.com/parents/where-do-americans-go-top-10-most-visited-cities-outside-6232354
#8 BARCELONA, SPAIN
Barcelona beats Madrid for the top city in Spain visited by U.S. travelers, especially 20-somethings on holiday in Europe. It's an arty, youthful city on the sea with a labyrinth of narrow streets and gorgeous plazas, branded by fairy-tale architecture from the quirky godfather of modern Catalonian architecture, Antoni Gaudi.
#4 PARIS, FRANCE
Millions of U.S. travelers flood the city of Paris every year to walk the romantic cobblestone streets of the Latin Quarter, kiss on the pedestrian bridges over the River Seine, marvel at the Gothic facade of old Notre Dame, or ride the elevator up the elegant iron legs of the Eiffel Tower for a grandstand view of the City of Light. And then, of course, there's the food… whether it's nibbling a fresh baguette from a riverside bakery or tucking into steak béarnaise at a tiny Montmartre bistro, everything tastes better in Paris.
Kralizec
08-26-2015, 17:20
"Sorry mate, that first Frenchman was an American to. Put that in your pipe and do something with it, mate"
https://uk.news.yahoo.com/french-american-anything-hero-attack-080106497.html#vAaDRTF
Wrong again, I am sorry, but you start to know the feeling
" According to French President Francois Hollande, a Frenchman was the first to encounter the gunman as he left the toilet, alerting others in the area. That person, Hollande said, wished to remain anonymous." Sorry. Not really, but...
The first person was the anonymous Frenchman, but we don't know wether he was injured or not. The guy who got wounded trying to protect his wife was a French-American teacher.
Gilrandir
08-26-2015, 17:21
Seems unlikely: http://www.today.com/parents/where-do-americans-go-top-10-most-visited-cities-outside-6232354
Ok, let the destination then be Cancun, what if tickets there from Paris (plus the fare to Paris from Brussels) are cheaper than directly from Brussels?
And what if they were not typical Americans and were heading to, say, Agincourt (via Paris because it was cheaper):http://www.agincourt600.com/
Just don't start linking all Paris and Brussels airport and railway station sites and giving ticket prices from either to Cancun or Agincourt. :laugh4:
Gilrandir
08-26-2015, 17:24
The first person was the anonymous Frenchman, but we don't know wether he was injured or not.
"Anonymous" sounds more like a Greek name. So the full one might have been Anonymous Anynomakidis. Certainly NOT French.
Just don't start linking all Paris and Brussels airport and railway station sites and giving ticket prices from either to Cancun or Agincourt. :laugh4:
Wait, this will be a long post...:sweatdrop:
"I am sure you aren't liar but I am calling you one anyway just for the pics" ? I miss something, sorry...
Kadagar_AV
08-26-2015, 18:39
"I am sure you aren't liar but I am calling you one anyway just for the pics" ? I miss something, sorry...
He means he want to see pics, which IMHO would be unwise.
I PMed you, if I am in error we can sort it.
It is all right. I was young then As I said in my answer to you, YEARS I wait for some to be interested in my pictures:laugh4:
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Jump they said.
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I am in the group. 1st experience in military life, I was 18
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Insigna of the Infantery Combat School of Montpellier (rough translation) for NCO
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Probably my second or 3 weeks. I am the one with the light machine gun, AA52, 7.5 mm, then 7,62 mn NATO renamed ANF1. We were still 32 in the platoon.
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Me. With the sun in the eyes. Equipped with the sub-machine gun MAT 49, same weapon than my father had in Indochina (same type that is)
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Parade, with the new FAMAS, Brilliant weapons. We were around 20 at that time.
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Platoon before training (obstacle) I am at the left, last one.
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Insigna of my NCO promotion; 67 Adjudant ARPIN, ESOA (not to mix with ENSOA which is other school multi-arms mixed) I was pure grunt.
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Parade of the 10th Company, 4th platoon, spec in Mechanised Infantery combat. I then specialised in MILAN missile, but went back in Mechanised Infantery.
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Commando Training. I choose a picture, because the actual insigna was stolen by a cousin, long time ago, I bought another one, but it is not the same.
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Me. In front of the ladder of the Giants.
The 1 Commando Training Centre is divided in 2 site: Colioure in a former Templar fortress for the sea, sun and no sex activities
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These pictures are not with me on it. I was teken in pictures by turists (Colioure is a tursistic town), but, first I would have spit on them if I would have some saliva left (and breath), two, they didn't gave me the pictures16092
Same comment.
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2nd part: Montlouis: Vauban Fortress, as the design shows. Mountain Combat and final raid.
We were 17 left, 15 fit for the training, 5 got the medal, and I was one of them.
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153 Infantry Regiment, 11th Company (instruction for the new drafties, 2 months of basis training).
Ok, have to go, wife insist I clean the bath room, family coming from Canad to visit for 2 weeks.
To be continued
CrossLOPER
08-26-2015, 20:49
To have completed the entire Call of Duty series is not having completed your Tour of Duty.
Best sentence I have read on this site in years.
Kadagar_AV
08-26-2015, 21:02
Brenus, I've never been too small a character to admit I was wrong...
Not that you have proven anything yet, but it look like your training was hardcore (I know a thing or two of what it takes to get into that regiment, and what it takes to stay).
Best sentence I have read on this site in years.
Not so pointed though when he directs it at someone who has never played CoD. It kind of loses some of its bite.
Gilrandir
08-27-2015, 05:22
Not that you have proven anything
This. Might as well be someone else's picture, if we continue playing distrust's advocate.
This. Might as well be someone else's picture, if we continue playing distrust's advocate.
I think it is safe to say Brenus is telling the truth about his experiences. I want to save Kadagar the trouble of providing copies of the passports of his chain of international admirers with a letter saying he had a consensual arrangement with them 'for proof'.
I'm just happy that people didn't get massacred with an AK. It takes guts to attack someone armed like that. Cudos! Although I was SURE they weren't marines even before I read the article lol.
The closest thing I've had like this is stanging up to a drunk fat hunter who barged into our cabin while celebrating. Was with school mates, partying for prom (we do a lot of that here). He walked in with a loaded dobule-barreled shotgun, apparently with teh genius idea of scaring some kids and showing off.
I'm usually afraid to pick a fight but then I guess I was simply too stupid or too angry, I walked up to him, grabbed the gun and shoved it away from us, making it point at the wall, and I stood right in his face.
As the situation was defused by the girls, we calmed down adn he even let me fire it outside. It is not a memeory I'm particularly proud of, someone could have died ffs.
Papewaio
08-27-2015, 22:07
I think it is safe to say Brenus is telling the truth about his experiences. I want to save Kadagar the trouble of providing copies of the passports of his chain of international admirers with a letter saying he had a consensual arrangement with them 'for proof'.
No no we insist on equal treatment... Photos ...
/joking no NSFW or kiss and tell
Family-anacdote. My very intelligent sister calls my mother extreme right because she doesn't believe the guy on his word that he just wanted to rob the place. Her housekeeper is from Marocco and would never do that. Granted she wouldn't she's a sweetheart. But Geez allmighty on a motherffing plane. She is pregnant so she might be a bit unstable at the moment. Me and my mum were a bit errrrr can't you add things up
No way we will escape the pictures... As I said, AGES I waited for someone to be interested.
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The Regimental Flag. In term of French Army, the 153 Rgt is new as it was created by Napoleon.
Tp answer the question, I had the choice to go there because I was the 5th in the result list. The Army says the first choose, the others are chosen. If you join the Legion, you go for the common training center. You don't join directly the 13 DBLE or the 1 REC or the 2 REP.
Little bit different if you join the Regular, you can join the 6 RPIMA, but I joined directly for the NCO training.
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Me. Summer Uniform.
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1st Squad.
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APC Commander
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APC. AMX 13 VTT, 1 X 20 mm cannon, 10 men (1 pilot, 1 radio-Gunner, 8 grunts, including me)
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New Training, Mountain and winter
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Me. On ski, Well... Errr...
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And training again
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For the ones interrested in military: 1st Squad: Equipment is MAS 49, MAS 49/56 both 7.5 mm) for the riffle, Light Machine gun is ANF 1, 7.62 mm NATO), sub-machine gun in MAT 49, (9 mm), sniper riffle is FrF1 in 7.5 mm -specially designed one), LRAC 98 mm (Anti-tank Rocket launcher).
The squad is divider in few cells:
4 men (voltigeurs)
Chief of Squad with Snipper
2 men (LMG/Anti-tank weapon) depending objective.
Gunner & pilot in APC,
With the platoon goes by food, the 3 APC go under the command of the Senior NGO and are in charge of fire support for the platoon (3x 20 mm cannon).
Kadagar, pictures from Bosnia will come...
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Heh you look way too French to win the war, you will win the girls though
Montmorency
08-28-2015, 16:50
Family-anacdote. My very intelligent sister calls my mother extreme right because she doesn't believe the guy on his word that he just wanted to rob the place. Her housekeeper is from Marocco and would never do that. Granted she wouldn't she's a sweetheart. But Geez allmighty on a motherffing plane. She is pregnant so she might be a bit unstable at the moment. Me and my mum were a bit errrrr can't you add things up
I couldn't quite follow this comment, so I read it again less carefully.
But then who exactly got pregnant, your mother or your sister? :confused:
As I said, AGES I waited for someone to be interested.
I've been waiting for AGES for you to offer to show pictures. ~;)
I couldn't quite follow this comment, so I read it again less carefully.
But then who exactly did you get pregnant, your mother or your sister? :confused:
He says:
- His mother does not believe the shooter on the train just wanted to rob it
- His sister thinks that makes her mother extreme right
- His mother has a housekeeper from Marocco, who for some strange reason seems very lovely and is not a terrorist (yet).
- He is sick of the pinko librauls believing what the terrorist claims being on his mothereffering plane (I assume the plane is earth).
- His sister is pregnant and that may make her mentally unstable.
- Fragony and his mom think that Fragony's sister is stupid (probably due to the pregnancy).
Why Fragony's sister is pregnant is a mystery, but it was most likely not the Moroccan housekeeper because she is a really sweet soul.
original post deleted out of courtisy as the original doesn't exist anymore.
Montmorency
08-28-2015, 23:47
You are free to take offence. I think most here understand that my views are much more nuanced than they sometimes can look like. I like to be sarcastic just as much as people like to be politically correct. It never gotten me a warning from Beskar so it's all in the comfort-zone
The nice side of internet, you aren't digesting your teeth right now. Have some manners that is pretty insulting.
His joke was, he struggled to make sense of it. So he read it less carefully (instead of more), which resulted in an even worse reading of your post. Silly, yes. He didn't need to do "you get" :smash:
So was self-mockery in someways but criticising how it was wrote too.
I think it crosses the line but you are in charge. Someone certainly wouldn't get away with it when saying that in my face
Yeah, I'd be outraged as well, but for me half of the posts in this thread begin with "This message is hidden because ... is on your ignore list".
I think it crosses the line but you are in charge. Someone certainly wouldn't get away with it when saying that in my face
Can you explain why exactly such a joke is over the line?
To me taking this seriously sounds like something a middle easterner who believes in tribal honor would do and it is not one of their behaviors I approve of. I thought we're all friends and friends should accept such "offensive" jokes?
Montmorency
08-29-2015, 04:53
something a middle easterner who believes in tribal honor would do
RVG?
AE Bravo
08-29-2015, 05:28
Why don't you approve? There's nothing tribal about it.
Just curious, I'd be pissed and not just as an Arab.
Can you explain why exactly such a joke is over the line?
To me taking this seriously sounds like something a middle easterner who believes in tribal honor would do and it is not one of their behaviors I approve of. I thought we're all friends and friends should accept such "offensive" jokes?
Harmless jokes you make to people you like, people you dislike you insult.
Why don't you approve? There's nothing tribal about it.
Just curious, I'd be pissed and not just as an Arab.
Because it was obviously a joke and not a serious comment, and only people who take such things overly serious would just look past the joke and take offense as though it were a serious statement. In my experience that is mostly true for people who take such offenses way too seriously anyway, and in my limited experience that usually happens around the mediterranean or with angry russians, very religious people and so on. And none of these things seem to apply to Fragony.
If it were a serious statement, I would see where the insult is, but it was a joke about his writing style.
And quite frankly, even when serious, as long as everybody knows it's not true, where's the actual harm done?
A Turkish or Middle Eastern guy once called me a dog to insult me but it quite frankly didn't bother me in the slightest, everybody can see that I'm not actually a dog, why would that bother me? And a lot of people love dogs anyway... (I know where it's coming from, but he said it in Germany) It was just a desperate attempt at hurting me that completely failed. :shrug:
Montmorency
08-29-2015, 07:10
Harmless jokes you make to people you like, people you dislike you insult.
That's dumb. You're dumb.
(Don't worry, I take your displeasure seriously.)
(Don't worry, I take your displeasure seriously.)
I can do with that
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Me again,
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Concentration Camp, built by the Nazi in Alsace for families of the Alsatians tempted to avoid to join the Wehrmacht or the SS.
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Parade to commemorate the liberation of the camp Struthof-Natzwiler
https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=camp+concentration+alsace+struthof&biw=1280&bih=923&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0CE8QsARqFQoTCPmFq9TWzccCFSaM2wodvEAH8A
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Note than the weapons are now FAMAS. In the 80's french army start a very needed modernisation.
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Maneuvers in open lands.
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Back on the train.
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New weapons & new platoon/squad.
Me, 1st voltigeur & sniper
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Parade. Winter Uniform Summer Uniform
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Last pictures before leaving the Army.
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The regiment is now a Motorised Infantry Regiment. The 6th Armoured Division is no more, and we are now in a (don't remember the number) Infantry Division equipped with VAB.
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End of 5 years of soldiering.... For various reasons
Right. Name on the last picture. Not that I mind...
Well done to them.
The newspapers keep praising Alex Scarlatus, forgetting the rest of the men involved, but even the nationalistically proud ones couldn't maintain their seriousness, when they presented his political and social beliefs as depicted in his social media accounts.
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