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Shaka_Khan
08-24-2015, 15:45
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iogK6ZpDvWI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYoOPgeTMQc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DlljMv0xP1M
The classiest presidential candidate ever!
So, who's going to get elected?
Greyblades
08-24-2015, 17:35
If debate performance is any indication, him.
If debate performance is any indication, him.
Rise of the floppy hair blondes. First Trump, then Boris Johnson 2020, you know it will be true.
Hooahguy
08-24-2015, 19:56
We are in the end of days.
https://i.imgur.com/NI6DSf5.jpg
Montmorency
08-24-2015, 20:35
We are in the end of days.
[IMG]
Well, we complained (http://www.theonion.com/article/israelites-sue-god-for-breach-of-covenant-423), and God answered. :freak:
We are in the end of days.
https://i.imgur.com/RxeHw6P.jpg
Hooahguy
08-24-2015, 21:10
Oh god, if Trump running wasn't terrifying enough.
*snip*
In his house at Manhattan Donald Trump's Hair lies dreaming?
Shaka_Khan
08-26-2015, 02:39
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-DSfvYCKwY
I get the feeling that this guy is isolated in a world of business where business people treat him nicely whether they like him or not.
Brandy Blue
08-26-2015, 03:13
Donald Trump went bankrupt and got forgiven his debts. He came back stronger than ever, in part because he was allowed to. I hope he realizes that it won't work like that if he bankrupts America.
Greyblades
08-26-2015, 10:29
To be fair that was his companies that went bankrupt, not him personally and they keep coming back from it.
In his house at Manhattan Donald Trump's Hair lies dreaming?
"That is not bald which can eternal lie,
And with strange aeons even hair may die."
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-27-2015, 23:19
So seems Trumps out ahead in the early States - god damn the US system is corrupt.
The lack of consistency and the fact that States declare one after another.
Hooahguy
08-28-2015, 01:44
Last I checked, he was only ahead of the other GOP candidates. Hillary is still beating him handily.
Greyblades
08-28-2015, 01:59
The republicans own both houses and the supreme court, even after the debt ceiling and Iran deal fiasco. There is absolutely nothing cetain to be said about the next year's events.
Doesn't matter though, either win screws America for four years the only difference is which flavour of suck.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-28-2015, 02:26
Last I checked, he was only ahead of the other GOP candidates. Hillary is still beating him handily.
Assuming Hilary wins the Dem nomination.
As someone closely associated with both Clinton and Obama she has, I would think, quite a lot counting against her.
The whole proposal is weird - what do you do with Bill Clinton while she's President? Send him on a four-year world tour? It would be very easy for any GOP candidate to attack her as basically a stalking horse to get her husband back into the White House because while he can hide whilst she's Obama's Secretary of State it's very hard to keep him away from the cameras and avoid photo ops of him in, say the Rose Garden, or on the White House Lawn.
There's also the fact that Bill Clinton is, hands down, a more charismatic and commanding presence than his wife.
The republicans own both houses and the supreme court, even after the debt ceiling and Iran deal fiasco. There is absolutely nothing cetain to be said about the next year's events.
It's in the math. The GOP owns both houses due to gerrymandering the House districts and the rural states equality in the Senate, the popular vote is against them nationwide. The only hope they have for the White House is to keep/improve the white vote from 2012 AND significantly increase the Latino vote, which Trump is doing a good job of alienating. The GOP leadership knows this, he will either be marginalized when the primaries start, or the GOP is about to waste a lot of money on a lost cause.
Nobody is ahead of anybody right now, the first real voting happens in February.
Doesn't matter though, either win screws America for four years the only difference is which flavour of suck.
That goes without saying... ~:rolleyes:
Hooahguy
08-28-2015, 05:58
I actually think that the GOP gaining both houses in the last mid term election was a terrible thing for the GOP. Now that they are in control of both houses, they really dont have much of an excuse as to why things arent getting done. When the Democrats had control of the Senate, the GOP could just blame it on them, but now that they actually have to do stuff, they dont really have many more excuses and the polls will reflect that in the coming elections. Sure, they can just blame it on Obama as per usual, but Obamas approval rating is around 46% (Gallup) which isnt terrible considering thats almost half, while congressional approval rating is much, much lower, currently at around 14%.
There is some proof for this in the fact that in a number of states where they voted out Democrats, they also voted for progressive ballot measures (http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/05/progressive-ballot-initiatives-counter-current-republican-tide).
When approval rating is that low, I doubt that people are going to want the same people in office. Now, this isnt guaranteeing a Democratic victory this election; it might take another cycle to see the colors change, but I would bet on the fact that the recent GOP victory will be short lived. Unless something radical happens in which case who knows?
I don't know enough about America's politics to comment on it, but from an outsider's view just his appearance seems like a bad idea, it isn't someone anyone is going to look forward talking to. He comes across as really dumb, don't know if he is, he probably isn't but that's how he looks.
Shaka_Khan
10-17-2015, 13:30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2FPrJxTvgdQ
a completely inoffensive name
10-18-2015, 08:30
I love the man and I will vote for him tomorrow if I can.
CrossLOPER
10-18-2015, 16:32
I don't know enough about America's politics to comment on it, but from an outsider's view just his appearance seems like a bad idea, it isn't someone anyone is going to look forward talking to. He comes across as really dumb, don't know if he is, he probably isn't but that's how he looks.
Basically, there is this retarded idea being pushed forth by right-wing leaning media like Limbaugh, Hannity, Cain and Erickson that, because Trump is not a politician (an "outsider") and has a lot of money, he is not corrupt like politicians and can make the United States rich and kick out all the Mexican rapists, win all the wars, incorporate Iraq's oil as payment for their freedom (Hannity defends this totally) and pave the streets with gold and all of that. If I thought that Trump had a functional brain, I would say that he is brilliant to realize the dimness of the average US voter and how to play on that. The reason why Republicans shy away from making the claims that he makes is because they know it will devastate the party in the end. I mean, they have done it to themselves, but what Trump is doing is way past the desperation of Republicans to maintain their power.
Hannity defends this by saying that Trump is not afraid of speaking his mind. That much is true. The problem is that his head is completely empty. Hannity also treats going to Washington D.C. like a necessary evil and constantly refers to it as "Sin City". He acts like going there is going to give him cooties.
In case you are wondering, Limbaugh is the dimmest of the dim bulbs who thinks that NASA stating that they found evidence of running water on Mars is a liberal conspiracy and Erickson is a fanatic. They also seem to suffer from foreign memory syndrome, since they all claimed to have seen that aborted baby skull cracking video that did not actually exist.
Trump is the best thing that has happened to the electoral process in the past two decades. The system really needed a shakeup, and he provided it. With that being said, he cannot be allowed anywhere near the oval office.
CrossLOPER
10-18-2015, 21:32
The system really needed a shakeup
See, when I think "shakeup", I think a fresh cast of idealistic candidates who have an interest in one or two major issues, and have interesting ideas regarding those issues. Instead, what there is happens to be email servers and an idiot, plus there are some kettleheads like Cruz in the background making noise. Basically, it's 2000 all over again.
Greyblades
10-18-2015, 21:36
With that being said, he cannot be allowed anywhere near the oval office.
Sadly the same applies to clinton, and guess who you get to choose between!
See, when I think "shakeup", I think a fresh cast of idealistic candidates who have an interest in one or two major issues, and have interesting ideas regarding those issues.
Rand Paul fits that mold to a certain degree.
Instead, what there is happens to be email servers and an idiot, plus there are some kettleheads like Cruz in the background making noise. Basically, it's 2000 all over again.
Baby steps towards progress. Not leaps, baby steps. This democracy has survived this long precisely because it doesn't leap much.
CrossLOPER
10-19-2015, 00:34
Rand Paul fits that mold to a certain degree.
Ayn Rand worshiping nutcake.
Baby steps towards progress. Not leaps, baby steps. This democracy has survived this long precisely because it doesn't leap much.
Steps that result in bilateral fractures.
Ayn Rand worshiping nutcake.
You're confusing him with Paul Ryan.
Steps that result in bilateral fractures.
Not sure what you mean by this.
a completely inoffensive name
10-19-2015, 01:36
You're confusing him with Paul Ryan.
Why do you think his name is Rand Paul?
Why do you think his name is Rand Paul?
Look it up on wikipedia. Got nothing to do with Ayn Rand.
a completely inoffensive name
10-19-2015, 03:03
Look it up on wikipedia. Got nothing to do with Ayn Rand.
Even so, he grew up reading Ayn Rand and is nothing more than a pragmatic version of his father.
Even so, he grew up reading Ayn Rand and is nothing more than a pragmatic version of his father.
Can you prove it?
a completely inoffensive name
10-19-2015, 03:08
Can you prove it?
Read the wikipedia page.
Read the wikipedia page.
So, just because he read Ayn rand, that makes him 'an Ayn Rand worshipping nutcake'?
a completely inoffensive name
10-19-2015, 03:18
There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.
Once again, where's your proof of him saying that Ayn Rand changed his life?
Ironside
10-19-2015, 07:59
Sadly the same applies to clinton, and guess who you get to choose between!
I'm sort of curious about that one. Even as a political opportunist (which is from what I can see is the main opposition against her), you have to more or less follow what you say, since even as a president you need continuous support of your own party and the support of the people for at least 4 years. Her connections seems to be more that she's not hunting Wall Street as much as she would prefer (her voting record puts her on the left in the Democratic party).
The Republicans on the other hand is trying to balance the budget by huge tax cuts, so the tickle down effect will make everything wonderful again with its huge growth. The purists are at least discussing cutting pensions and medicare rather than the sole focus on medicaid and magic thinking to cut the major expenses. The military budget is holy of course and can't be touched.
a completely inoffensive name
10-19-2015, 10:04
Once again, where's your proof of him saying that Ayn Rand changed his life?
Why be obtuse with me? Can't we recognize an objectivist libertarian when we see one?
Why be obtuse with me? Can't we recognize an objectivist libertarian when we see one?
I don't like assigning labels like "Ayn Rand worshipping nutcake" without evidence.
CrossLOPER
10-19-2015, 17:14
I don't like assigning labels like "Ayn Rand worshipping nutcake" without evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD-R_OeP6tU
6 trillion hours on google search.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD-R_OeP6tU
6 trillion hours on google search.
You might wanna change your description of him to "Dostoyevsky worshipping nutcake". So yeah, doesn't quite cut it.
Ironside
10-20-2015, 08:12
You might wanna change your description of him to "Dostoyevsky worshipping nutcake". So yeah, doesn't quite cut it.
He's explicit that reading Ayn Rand (all her books) was how he started to read Austrian School economics. Worshiping her? Probably not. Her being very influential on him? Most certainly.
... Her being very influential on him? Most certainly.
Not sure I can buy that, considering that he is listing two of his favorite books (which he considers to be some of the best ever written) and neither one of those is by Ayn Rand.
Who cares what he reads, he's unfit because he's a walking stereotype of everything the international community (unjustly) dislike about Americans. It's like electing Gordon Gecko.
Greyblades
10-20-2015, 14:01
Trump or Paul?
Edit: Predicted answer: "yes."
Sarmatian
10-20-2015, 14:13
Trump has an actual personality, which is rare among modern politicians.
Instead of the usual political double talk, Trump immediately proposes a solution.
Average republican: "Yes, we have a problem with illegal immigrants from Mexico, we have to take actions. As a president, I will be looking to a wide range of possible actions that I could possibly take so that in end it appears that I said something while I really didn't say anything..."
Trump: "We will build a huge wall on our southern border and Mexico is gonna pay for it!"
It is a completely separate issue that all his solutions are borderline insane.
Trump has an actual personality, which is rare among modern politicians.
...
It is a completely separate issue that all his solutions are borderline insane.
That is exactly his appeal: he says what he thinks no matter how crazy it might sound.
Sarmatian
10-20-2015, 14:50
That is exactly his appeal: he says what he thinks no matter how crazy it might sound.
That is the problem - people are so bored and politicians are so out of touch with them that the people are ready to vote for anyone who will give them a clear answer, no matter how idiotic it is.
I've tried watching the debates on Youtube, I really did, but I can't stand that drivel. "Oh, yes, I have a lovely wife and I'm father of three. My eldest daughter is a nurse, my middle child goes to college and my youngest likes to play outside. My wife and I go to church and like long walks in the rain"
WTF? Did you see your ***ing marriage counselor in the audience? Or your family therapist? Why should anyone care about that? Get to the f-ing point and say anything that even remotely resembles a plan of action.
On the opposite end, in the democratic debate, you have Sanders, who actually speaks his mind and proposes a concrete plan of action, the only difference between him and Trump is that he is actually sane and his plan makes sense.
But, in the end, it's probably gonna be Trump for reps, and then he is soundly beaten by Clinton in the actual elections.
Trump is the best thing that has happened to the electoral process in the past two decades. The system really needed a shakeup, and he provided it. With that being said, he cannot be allowed anywhere near the oval office.
Perfectly sound. He's a bit like our Wilders, the canarie in the colemine. But would indeed be bad for America if he gets too many votes.
Papewaio
10-21-2015, 00:21
Yes, the canary is supposed to be eliminated before things get critical.
So Trump can stir things up. Hopefully the end result is a few more straight talkers, and less crazy ideas.
Mind you a fence along the Mexico border would create a lot of jobs and might unintentional kickstart the economy if it is Hoover sized.
a completely inoffensive name
10-21-2015, 04:32
"Oh, yes, I have a lovely wife
Respects women. +1
and I'm father of three.
Family man. +1
My eldest daughter is a nurse, my middle child goes to college and my youngest likes to play outside.
His children are so successful and happy, what a great dad he must be. +3 (one for each child)
My wife and I go to church
Religious man. +12 (one for each apostle)
and like long walks in the rain"
What a silly thing to do, he must be a fun guy to be around. +20 (one for each raindrop in a milliliter)
CrossLOPER
10-21-2015, 05:43
WTF? Did you see your ***ing marriage counselor in the audience? Or your family therapist? Why should anyone care about that? Get to the f-ing point and say anything that even remotely resembles a plan of action.
Atheist homo check.
Ironside
10-21-2015, 08:29
Not sure I can buy that, considering that he is listing two of his favorite books (which he considers to be some of the best ever written) and neither one of those is by Ayn Rand.
From what I've heard, Ayn Rand's books are a bit boring to read. More that you read them for the ideas, rather than the prose or story.
But seriously,he says "I've red all her books, I got my favorite author on her's recommendation and red a lot of free market Austrian school economists (that heavily influenced my policies) that were sort of fellow travelers to Ayn Rand."
Would you do that statement with an author you find mediocre or worse? That's heavy fanboy demonstration. I can't even make that statement with my favorite authors and be honest.
Sarmatian
10-21-2015, 09:30
Atheist homo check.
Indeed. When I see those idiots, I thank God I'm an atheist.
Yes, the canary is supposed to be eliminated before things get critical.
Hey that happened here, Fortuyn was actually very moderate and reasonable. Wilders isn't very extreme either by the way, just outspoken (often hilarious, he should go for a career as a comedian instead as he can be extremily funny)
Papewaio
10-21-2015, 09:55
Wilders is in Australia at the moment. Trying to raise awareness of the Australia version of his party.
Wilders is in Australia at the moment. Trying to raise awareness of the Australia version of his party.
I know, I don't understand why really, Australia already has pretty damn harsh immigration policies, and hardly any trouble
We should enjoy our last days on these internets before Trump has them closed down.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/12/7/9869308/donald-trump-close-up-the-internet-bill-gates
"We're losing a lot of people because of the internet," Trump said. "We have to see Bill Gates and a lot of different people that really understand what's happening. We have to talk to them about, maybe in certain areas, closing that internet up in some ways. Somebody will say, 'Oh freedom of speech, freedom of speech.' These are foolish people."
Papewaio
12-10-2015, 05:13
So that oath that US Servicemen swear...
a completely inoffensive name
12-10-2015, 05:45
That quote is 100% distilled fascism.
Greyblades
12-10-2015, 07:39
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/044/254/e5c.jpg
Sounds like another elderly politician not understanding new technology, personally im more concerned with the new thought police (http://www.dailywire.com/news/1593/loretta-lynch-vows-prosecute-those-who-use-anti-james-barrett)
Greyblades
12-10-2015, 18:18
And its complete bunk.
WHAT'S TRUE: Donald Trump proposed contacting Bill Gates to determine whether specific individuals or groups could be restricted from using the internet.
WHAT'S FALSE: Donald Trump proposed a "shutdown" or "ban" of the internet at large.
WHAT'S Undetermined: Precisely what Trump believed Gates could do, or what specifically Trump believed such a restriction might entail
http://www.snopes.com/trump-wants-shut-internet/
What were the odds...
Montmorency
12-10-2015, 20:06
In other words, it's not bunk and he represents everything that you supposedly deplore about British Internet regulation.
Err, that's exactly what he said in the part I quoted, how does my quote being 100% correct make it "complete bunk"?
I may have jokingly insinuated......oh, I get it.....sorry for being German and not entirely serious. :rolleyes:
Greyblades
12-10-2015, 21:52
Ah, yeah, I mistook your article for one of the articles i read that "missed" the 'maybe in some areas' part of his declaration.
Sorry.
In other words, it's not bunk and he represents everything that you supposedly deplore about British Internet regulation.
He represents the taxpayer's money wasted in impossible pursuits?
Ah, yeah, I mistook your article for one of the articles i read that "missed" the 'maybe in some areas' part of his declaration.
You do know though, that what he said is pretty ludicrous even with that part included, right?
Greyblades
12-11-2015, 15:18
Ludicrous in that it is impossible, trump definitely doesnt understand new technology.
However if there was a way to cut off the internet from specific people i dare say even the most liberal of people would be willing to at least entertain the idea of cutting off access to ISIS members and supporters.
I like how he called Katie Hopkins a well respected columnist, she is a joke.
I wonder if fart jokes are going overdrive with it being xmas and when someone passes wind after the big dinner, "Did you just say you wanted to ban Muslims from America?", and if they are confused, you go "because you just Trump'd!"
Greyblades
12-11-2015, 16:03
That's not technically correct. Worse, it's not funny.
Pannonian
12-11-2015, 16:41
Ludicrous in that it is impossible, trump definitely doesnt understand new technology.
However if there was a way to cut off the internet from specific people i dare say even the most liberal of people would be willing to at least entertain the idea of cutting off access to ISIS members and supporters.
DoSing is the tried and tested way of bringing down central sites. I'd be surprised if channers haven't already entertained their use.
Strike For The South
12-11-2015, 16:41
Still convinced he is a Hillary plant.
That's not technically correct. Worse, it's not funny.
A sign of a good joke is not that it is funny, it is that it is so terrible, it makes you laugh at how bad it is. Hence the much loved 'cracker jokes'.
Greyblades
12-11-2015, 17:05
...If you say so.
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/051/711/ed9.png
Shaka_Khan
12-11-2015, 20:19
Many famous people said that Trump is friendly and enjoyable to be with. A lot of them changed their minds after Trump started to run for president. Trump reminds me of a guy I know. He is good at befriending others especially when he needs them. He is actually manipulative and gossips about other people. Knowing how to build good relationships is important in business, and Trump is good at that. When Trump no longer feels the need for a relationship, we see him throw the relationship out the window. He does this because he feels that he has enough supporters to vote him to president. He gains popularity by turning people against other people.
HopAlongBunny
12-11-2015, 22:20
Trump is simply the first step in the re-branding of the GOP.
If he should actually win the nomination, he will have exposed the vacuum that is GOP policy.
In mobilizing all the outliers that Republicans like to court to one torch, he may have the fuel to burn down the house.
It may actually result in a rebuilding, which is what the party needs.
That's not technically correct. Worse, it's not funny.
I found one.
https://i.imgur.com/HcWtBkm.png
Greyblades
12-12-2015, 00:12
Still not funny.
See when it comes to mockery based humor a joke only works when the listener dislikes the target. Additionally there is an inverse scale of cleverness and hate, the more the listener hates the target the less clever the joke needs to be to get a laugh.
As I dont really hate Trump your rather simple jokes just fall flat. Minus points for toilet humor.
Shaka_Khan
12-12-2015, 05:27
If you don't see the problems with Trump then you're being naive. Funny thing with Trump is that many people don't realize it until they become his bashing target. If he becomes president, his targets won't be limited to non-Anglo-Saxons and non-Scottish. I have foreseen it.
Montmorency
12-12-2015, 06:28
A skilled manipulator can have you bashing for him even while he has someone else bash you. :shrug:
Fisherking
12-12-2015, 10:41
Why worry about Trump. He is only spouting bunk to make Clinton more acceptable.
He has been a Clinton Crony for many years. He is just the designated loser.
a completely inoffensive name
12-12-2015, 10:45
Even if he is a crony, his success is contingent on how susceptible Republicans are to his message. If Trump wasn't around you would have Carson in the lead as he is just as insane. Is Carson the backup Clinton plant?
Fisherking
12-12-2015, 11:46
Even if he is a crony, his success is contingent on how susceptible Republicans are to his message. If Trump wasn't around you would have Carson in the lead as he is just as insane. Is Carson the backup Clinton plant?
Dose it really matter who’s dupe a particular candidate is?
I think anyone supporting any candidate is pretty much a dupe to one extent or another.
You have an out of control government wielding unjust powers in support of Oligarchs who have noting in common with your interests and wonder only which poor choice does the least amount of damage, rather than bother fixing it.
I hope republicans understand that he is internationally seen as a walking stereotype.
Greyblades
12-12-2015, 13:18
Heh.
http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/051/372/82f.png
http://www.theonion.com/article/will-be-end-trumps-campaign-says-increasingly-nerv-52002
Admittedly, I feel Trump is more a symptom of Republican politics, not the cause. He is only saying what has been said for the last 16 years (I have followed, might be more). Whilst some try to paint him as a dupe or a fraud, was Sarah Palin one too? Was George Bush Jr? There must be some reason these top Republican figureheads have always been this way and it is because of a large segment of the population actually hold and support these views. The only issue with US elections is that there are only two parties, and it can only be resolved if they decided to split which will be very unlikely to ever happen.
It is like when people were trying to suggest Jeremy Corbyn was a Conservative plant in the UK. The thing is, he isn't, there is a serious and strong support for his type of politics.
Sarmatian
12-12-2015, 18:41
I wonder, is this how normal people felt in Germany in the 30's? Who cares, he's an idiot, it's just a momentary popularity, he's gonna lose support soon, he will be decisively defeated when the time comes...
Truth is, Trump may win, and in the best case, he's gonna be leashed and become a Reagan 2.0 or pursue his plans and create a lot of instability in the world.
Hillary is vulnerable. There are scandals, there are close ties with big businesses, her husband's infidelity, lack of genuine accomplishment... So far, she hasn't really been challenged.
Greyblades
12-12-2015, 20:05
I wonder, is this how normal people felt in Germany in the 30's? Who cares, he's an idiot, it's just a momentary popularity, he's gonna lose support soon, he will be decisively defeated when the time comes...
More like the news has demonised him so many times to such ridiculous extent over mild to benign statments and actions that people are starting to think that he is not as bad as the papers keep saying he is.
Also i have to congratulate you on that above average godwin; it's lot less obvious and blatant than the usual fare.
Sarmatian
12-12-2015, 21:15
More like the news has demonised him so many times to such ridiculous extent over mild to benign statments and actions that people are starting to think that he is not as bad as the papers keep saying he is.
Things are never as bad, as good or as interesting as the papers saying they are. Papers need to sell.
Godwin's not the point. The point is that the normal people don't think there's a chance he wins eventually.
Trump's not a nazi. He's not even a fascist. He lacks the conviction and principles. Rightwing populist demagogue, nothing more.
Greyblades
12-12-2015, 21:20
He lacks the conviction and principles. Rightwing populist demagogue, nothing more.
I havent seen any indication that Trump lacks conviction or principles, more that his principles and convictions are ones the left dislikes.
Ignoring that, that description applies to every other right wing politician going for the big chair. And every left wing politician. Save Bernie Sanders who traded a lack of principles for a lack of perspective.
America is screwed.
a completely inoffensive name
12-12-2015, 21:52
More like the news has demonised him so many times to such ridiculous extent over mild to benign statments and actions
What were these mild and benign statements? When he said Mexicans coming over were rapists? When he mocked Megyn Kelly as being on her period during the debate? Wew lad
Sarmatian
12-12-2015, 21:56
I havent seen any indication that Trump lacks conviction or principles, more that his principles and convictions are ones the left dislikes.
Ignoring that, that description applies to every other right wing politician going for the big chair. And every left wing politician. Save Bernie Sanders who traded a lack of principles for a lack of perspective.
America is screwed.
You're right. Sometimes I forget how clueless you are.
Papewaio
12-12-2015, 22:25
More like the news has demonised him so many times to such ridiculous extent over mild to benign statments and actions that people are starting to think that he is not as bad as the papers keep saying he is.
Also i have to congratulate you on that above average godwin; it's lot less obvious and blatant than the usual fare.
Is it mild statements? If Trump had said ban Christians from moving to the U.S. wouldn't that have been clearly seen by the majority as anti state and religion separation?
He wants to shutdown the Internet because of terrorists using it. Why not stop people driving cars as it will stop terrorists from driving. I assume he knows the CEO of Ford too and he can make that happen.
Then he acts as if freedom of speech is an inconvenience to security.
So you have someone who is anti freedom, anti free religious association, anti free movement. Saying he wants to enact all these by calling on the barons of capitalism to make it happen.
So he might protect Americans from one flavour of terrorism by removing all ones freedoms, yay. I wonder what profit for their shareholders the CEO's will require to make it happen. I'm sure the rest of the U.S. will be fine, bubble wrapped until they can't move, but fine.
Greyblades
12-12-2015, 22:41
What were these mild and benign statements? When he said Mexicans coming over were rapists? When he mocked Megyn Kelly as being on her period during the debate? Wew lad
When he said they should put a temporary ban muslim immigration until the TSA and DHS got thier act together the news played it like he had said he wanted to evict all muslims from the USA. When he said he was looking for ways to cut off internet access for individuals the media said he wanted to destroy the internet. You really want to tell me that I am wrong when I say he's being smeared beyond reason? Especially when he has plenty of legitimate faults?
You're right. Sometimes I forget how clueless you are.
Is it mild statements? If Trump had said ban Christians from moving to the U.S. wouldn't that have been clearly seen by the majority as anti state and religion separation?
He wants to shutdown the Internet because of terrorists using it. Why not stop people driving cars as it will stop terrorists from driving. I assume he knows the CEO of Ford too and he can make that happen.
Then he acts as if freedom of speech is an inconvenience to security.
This guy's chugging the coolaid and you people call me clueless?
a completely inoffensive name
12-12-2015, 22:49
Wew lad
Montmorency
12-12-2015, 22:57
Wew lad
At first I thought it was a variant of "phew", but after looking it up I'm just confused.
Greyblades
12-12-2015, 23:06
At first I thought it was a variant of "phew", but after looking it up I'm just confused.
I think he mean to spell "wow", as if to say: wow, you are crazy.
a completely inoffensive name
12-12-2015, 23:06
At first I thought it was a variant of "phew", but after looking it up I'm just confused.
So,
“Wew Lad” is an obfuscatory expression associated with circle jerking (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/circle-jerk) or shitposting (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/shitposting),
On March 26th, 2010, Urban Dictionary[4] (http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/shitposting#fn4) user Chunky Milk submitted an entry for “Shit Posting,” defining it as the act of making an unconstructive post on an online forum.
“1: The failure to make a constructive post
2: The inability to add useful information to a forum
3: Worthless overly offensive generally racists posts written in a manner which aggravates others.”
Hence, wew lad.
Greyblades
12-12-2015, 23:20
I'm reminded of a quote from a wise man...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ddp1pf_MB8
Shaka_Khan
12-13-2015, 02:39
What were these mild and benign statements? When he said Mexicans coming over were rapists? When he mocked Megyn Kelly as being on her period during the debate? Wew lad Greyblades,
CIN wasn't joking. Trump really said those things. You don't live in the States so I understand that you don't know about US politics. I know a Chinese-Australian who was like you. He lacked interest in what I had to say about Trump until I told him what Trump said about China. So he googled. Now he agrees with me. He rants about Trump each time I meet him.
And I think you don't know any Mexicans or any minorities from the US. This is probably why you believe everything Trump says.
I think Trump is a disgrace. His latest muslim ban statements are only the latest example. It's only temporary until we either 'figure out what's going' on or 'get our act together'? What does that mean? What will figuring out what's going on or getting our act together look like?
He's great for making "take a stand" or "tell it like it" is statements that are extremely light on facts or substance. It's all bluster with an implied "Trust me, I'm a business man!" after it. I don't trust him- he's a reality TV star and a crony capitalist.
Greyblades
12-13-2015, 15:11
CIN wasn't joking. Trump really said those things. I know, I have been following this about as long as any of you, but I find myself not really caring.
He insulted a woman over her menstral cycle, so what? Men insult eachother about the size of thier dicks. It's immature, idiotic sure, but frankly It means little to me, and I thought we were supposed to view women as equals, not a protected species.
He generalized about immigrants in a speech, said they're rapists, that's pretty shitty but frankly it seems like a gaff. Trump said: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/07/08/donald-trumps-false-comments-connecting-mexican-immigrants-and-crime/)
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
It sounds like he planned to say "they're bringing their drugs, their crime, their rapists." and he wouldnt be wrong to say it, but it morphed into that and the media had a field day.
Saying stupid things he didnt mean in the heat of the moment that he immediately regrets hardly makes him irredeemable. You've done it, I've done it and any man who claims he hasnt done the same is a liar.
If we disqualified ever politician that does so from office the house, senate, oval office and supreme court would have been empty for 200 years.
You don't live in the States so I understand that you don't know about US politics. I know a Chinese-Australian who was like you. He lacked interest in what I had to say about Trump until I told him what Trump said about China. So he googled. Now he agrees with me. He rants about Trump each time I meet him. Should I congratulate you on enabling a fanatic? Your friend sounds very boring and singleminded if every time you meet him he rants about trump.
Also it sounds more like he's done the exact opposite of what I have.
And I think you don't know any Mexicans or any minorities from the US. This is probably why you believe everything Trump says.
...Since when did I say I believe everything he says?
The TSA has a 95% failure rate.
(http://abcnews.go.com/US/exclusive-undercover-dhs-tests-find-widespread-security-failures/story?id=31434881) The Department of Homeland Security employs numerous FBI terror suspects. (http://freebeacon.com/national-security/72-dhs-employees-on-terrorist-watch-list/)
So when I agree when Trump says it's so bad america should cut off muslim immigration until America's border control can be made to not be completely useless, the only explanation you can think of is that I "believe everything he says"?
You say I believe everything that trump says but I think it is you who believes everything said about Trump.
Some on this thread seem to take any and every excuse to hate him.
Greyblades
12-13-2015, 15:58
I really need to take a breath before posting, I end up with edit fests that go on for hours.
a completely inoffensive name
12-13-2015, 20:37
You need to leave the internet on weekends and head to the pub.
Papewaio
12-13-2015, 21:42
When he said they should put a temporary ban muslim immigration until the TSA and DHS got thier act together the news played it like he had said he wanted to evict all muslims from the USA. When he said he was looking for ways to cut off internet access for individuals the media said he wanted to destroy the internet. You really want to tell me that I am wrong when I say he's being smeared beyond reason? Especially when he has plenty of legitimate faults?
This guy's chugging the coolaid and you people call me clueless?
To drink the coolaid one has to believe the coolaid.
I've only quoted Trump and put different religions or industry in it to show how vile and stupid his ideas are.
Sure he says stupid things in the heat of the moment. More then average and people are going to give him the leadership of the biggest military in the world and his finger on the nuclear trigger.
Shaka_Khan
12-14-2015, 13:57
Should I congratulate you on enabling a fanatic? Your friend sounds very boring and singleminded if every time you meet him he rants about trump.
Actually, that's why I try to avoid him. He is very cynical about a lot of things, not just Trump. He is very depressed about his own life, and he has an explosive temper. I didn't call him 'my friend'.
That being said, Trump is still problematic.
Kralizec
12-14-2015, 16:06
I think Trump is a disgrace. His latest muslim ban statements are only the latest example. It's only temporary until we either 'figure out what's going' on or 'get our act together'? What does that mean? What will figuring out what's going on or getting our act together look like?
He's great for making "take a stand" or "tell it like it" is statements that are extremely light on facts or substance. It's all bluster with an implied "Trust me, I'm a business man!" after it. I don't trust him- he's a reality TV star and a crony capitalist.
But he is worth OVER 10 BILLION DOLLARS
Greyblades
12-14-2015, 17:45
He generalized about immigrants in a speech, said they're rapists, that's pretty shitty but frankly it seems like a gaff. Trump said: (https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fact-checker/wp/2015/07/08/donald-trumps-false-comments-connecting-mexican-immigrants-and-crime/)
“When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people.”
It sounds like he planned to say "they're bringing their drugs, their crime, their rapists." and he wouldnt be wrong to say it, but it morphed into that and the media had a field day.
I thought it over and what I said here is too close to apologism for me to let stand.
Trump was a jackass for saying it, I dont hold it against him as much because a) I agree with the underlying point that immigration needs to be controled and letting it continue like it is will only result in more foreign crime spilling over the border and b) I've been told time and again that both side's politicians go extra crazy during the primaries and I wrote it off as just more of that; he didnt mean it.
I've only quoted Trump and put different religions or industry in it to show how vile and stupid his ideas are.
Except you didnt quote trump, you quoted the misleading versions trumpeted by the media:
His idea of a ban on muslims is a temporary measure until the TSA can get it's act together and the DHS can prune it's ranks of terrorist suspects.
He didnt want to shut down the internet he wanted to cut off access to ISIS members and supporters.
Both ideas are sound goals for anyone to have they just arent practical which would be a reason to critiscise him for but it seems noone wants to even bother deviating from the "Trump is Hitler" narrative.
Actually, that's why I try to avoid him. He is very cynical about a lot of things, not just Trump. He is very depressed about his own life, and he has an explosive temper. I didn't call him 'my friend'Sounds like half the people here on all ends of the political spectrum, but yeah I can see the similarities in me. Personally I try to keep the rants and cynicism here in the Backroom so they dont interfere with real life.
That being said, Trump is still problematic. Maybe he is, but unless someone of better character comes along who is as strong, willful and unfettered by self destructive idealism as trump he's the best option america has.
Hence why I say: america is screwed. The best chance you have is to vote in Trump or Sanders and hope that when the chips are down they arent as impractical/weak as they make themselves out to be.
Personally I think Trump has a better chance of having sense talked into him than bernie has of growing a spine.
Trump is the best option America has?
Presumably Katie Hopkins is the best option the UK has.
Trump is dangerous, delusional, discriminatory and plain dumb.
Montmorency
12-14-2015, 18:47
Maybe he is, but unless someone of better character comes along who is as strong, willful and unfettered by self destructive idealism as trump he's the best option america has.
Well, Trump is indeed willful...
By those criteria Hillary Clinton would have to be America's best option. :inquisitive:
In all seriousness, do people really think Trump is going to act on every statement he's made if he actually gets elected?
I mean politicians say a lot of stuff during campaigning, but that is all it is. Saying stuff to get the votes.
People need to stop overreacting and need to start taking things he says with a pinch (a very big pinch) of salt. Specially when he's known to have a flair for drama.
Greyblades
12-14-2015, 18:55
Well, Trump is indeed willful...
By those criteria Hillary Clinton would have to be America's best option. :inquisitive:
I said better character, not devoid of character.
Sarmatian
12-14-2015, 23:54
In all seriousness, do people really think Trump is going to act on every statement he's made if he actually gets elected?
I mean politicians say a lot of stuff during campaigning, but that is all it is. Saying stuff to get the votes.
People need to stop overreacting and need to start taking things he says with a pinch (a very big pinch) of salt. Specially when he's known to have a flair for drama.
Trump is a populist, no doubt about that, BUT, he has given some very specific promises. Wall on Mexican border, for instance. How he's gonna get out of that one?
His rhetoric would also make it much harder to conduct diplomacy with a number of very large and important nations, like Mexico, China, Muslim countries...
Kralizec
12-15-2015, 00:12
The man is as shallow as a puddle of mud. No ideological depth whatsoever. His standard responses to questions about complicated issues are:
"I will figure this out once I'm in office, you can trust me because I'm rich and succesful"
"I have a brilliant strategy, I just keep it to myself to prevent the other candidates from claiming it as theirs"
"Did I mention I'm rich?"
His winning strategy has been to act like an even greater asshole than he is in real life (I'm guessing, but who knows?). A smart strategy actually, because he's certainly not going to defeat other primary contenders with his factual knowledge, debating skills or the dignity of his persona.
There are plenty of people who don't know shit and who say crass stuff all the time. Not all bad people, necesarily. But Trump is not an idiot, even though it's easy to think of him that way. It's plain as water that he's never going to defeat whoever the Democrats nominate and he should know better than to turn a presidential race into a Reality TV show with his stupid bullshit.
Greyblades
12-15-2015, 02:50
Trump is a populist, no doubt about that, BUT, he has given some very specific promises. Wall on Mexican border, for instance. How he's gonna get out of that one?...By building a wall? I mean I dont remember him promising a 50 foot high concrete monstrosity, if he just uses chain links and barbed wire like hungary has done it'll be reasonably achievable, expecially as a third of teh border allready has walls thanks to Bush.
But he is worth OVER 10 BILLION DOLLARS
Trump, the great business mogul, would have far more money today than he does now had he just taken his inheritance and put it in index funds (http://fortune.com/2015/08/20/donald-trump-index-funds/). :rolleyes:
a completely inoffensive name
12-15-2015, 07:20
The man is as shallow as a puddle of mud. No ideological depth whatsoever. His standard responses to questions about complicated issues are:
"I will figure this out once I'm in office, you can trust me because I'm rich and succesful"
"I have a brilliant strategy, I just keep it to myself to prevent the other candidates from claiming it as theirs"
"Did I mention I'm rich?"
His winning strategy has been to act like an even greater asshole than he is in real life (I'm guessing, but who knows?). A smart strategy actually, because he's certainly not going to defeat other primary contenders with his factual knowledge, debating skills or the dignity of his persona.
There are plenty of people who don't know shit and who say crass stuff all the time. Not all bad people, necesarily. But Trump is not an idiot, even though it's easy to think of him that way. It's plain as water that he's never going to defeat whoever the Democrats nominate and he should know better than to turn a presidential race into a Reality TV show with his stupid bullshit.
You still don't understand what Trump is trying to do, which is fine because the carnival act is very distracting. If you look at his YouTube channel he was clearly exploring a presidential campaign back for the 2012 election cycle. Here is an interesting video from his channel with only 50,000 views. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc8a7L0lS58) Trump is all about image, he is a very smart individual despite what people want to think. He knows the image he gives off, and it is clear from the video that he believes the time wasn't right back then to enter the race. But why? Well, Obama was an incumbent and a quick glance at recent history suggests that Americans are clearly willing to give a President another 4 years, even with mediocre results as long as the other party doesn't stumble upon someone who is a lot more charismatic (see Clinton v. Bush Sr.). One month after he posted the linked video, his official twitter turns from soft advertising for Celebrity Apprentice and golf courses, into the amazing vomit of Trumpisms we know today (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/88617765589630976). For someone who just posted a video about how he would rather "take the NBC money and run" rather than enter politics, it seems odd to suddenly kick out the social media intern and start posting political opinions all day.
I personally think he was waiting out the remaining establishment Republicans to fail in their efforts to stop Obama. His main reasons for not running in 2012 are to point out the failures of the Republican Party which seems odd, considering he identifies as a Republican. Why would you run if you already thought your party was doing a great job? Romney was clearly the next in line, even by that point in the political race and I believe that Trump sensed a better opportunity for the next cycle after another loss by an establishment Republican.
Of course though, Trump is not going to win. And I doubt he ever thought he could win. But, the key difference is now without an incumbent and with the Republican Party leadership in tatters after Romney's loss (remember that not only did he lose, he lost by an unexpected 5 million votes), Trump is using this opportunity to cement himself as a political figure with the end goal of being someone who makes decisions behind the scenes and perhaps has a stronger say in the RNC. It's why he is so eager to pull out the independent campaign, it's why the establishment hates him so much. The whole point is to hold this election hostage and force himself into the party whether the current Republican leadership likes it or not. It's why Rick Scott said in his concession speech that the only way to defeat Trump is for everyone but the "real" contenders to drop out and show deference to the establishment. The party leadership really needed to put their foot down when choosing the next candidate months ago. Instead they left it to the primary system and now they must deal with the reality that the next election cycle is going to be determined by the individual who can easily court the most polarized and radical of Republican voters.
Sarmatian
12-15-2015, 08:39
...By building a wall? I mean I dont remember him promising a 50 foot high concrete monstrosity, if he just uses chain links and barbed wire like hungary has done it'll be reasonably achievable, expecially as a third of teh border allready has walls thanks to Bush.
He promised a 15 billion $ wall which Mexico will pay. I would really like to see how that works out.
Montmorency
12-15-2015, 11:28
You still don't understand what Trump is trying to do, which is fine because the carnival act is very distracting. If you look at his YouTube channel he was clearly exploring a presidential campaign back for the 2012 election cycle. Here is an interesting video from his channel with only 50,000 views. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc8a7L0lS58) Trump is all about image, he is a very smart individual despite what people want to think. He knows the image he gives off, and it is clear from the video that he believes the time wasn't right back then to enter the race. But why? Well, Obama was an incumbent and a quick glance at recent history suggests that Americans are clearly willing to give a President another 4 years, even with mediocre results as long as the other party doesn't stumble upon someone who is a lot more charismatic (see Clinton v. Bush Sr.). One month after he posted the linked video, his official twitter turns from soft advertising for Celebrity Apprentice and golf courses, into the amazing vomit of Trumpisms we know today (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/88617765589630976). For someone who just posted a video about how he would rather "take the NBC money and run" rather than enter politics, it seems odd to suddenly kick out the social media intern and start posting political opinions all day.
I personally think he was waiting out the remaining establishment Republicans to fail in their efforts to stop Obama. His main reasons for not running in 2012 are to point out the failures of the Republican Party which seems odd, considering he identifies as a Republican. Why would you run if you already thought your party was doing a great job? Romney was clearly the next in line, even by that point in the political race and I believe that Trump sensed a better opportunity for the next cycle after another loss by an establishment Republican.
Of course though, Trump is not going to win. And I doubt he ever thought he could win. But, the key difference is now without an incumbent and with the Republican Party leadership in tatters after Romney's loss (remember that not only did he lose, he lost by an unexpected 5 million votes), Trump is using this opportunity to cement himself as a political figure with the end goal of being someone who makes decisions behind the scenes and perhaps has a stronger say in the RNC. It's why he is so eager to pull out the independent campaign, it's why the establishment hates him so much. The whole point is to hold this election hostage and force himself into the party whether the current Republican leadership likes it or not. It's why Rick Scott said in his concession speech that the only way to defeat Trump is for everyone but the "real" contenders to drop out and show deference to the establishment. The party leadership really needed to put their foot down when choosing the next candidate months ago. Instead they left it to the primary system and now they must deal with the reality that the next election cycle is going to be determined by the individual who can easily court the most polarized and radical of Republican voters.
I don't see how he can gain power at the top of the party regardless of any outcome over the next year (short of becoming President). Also, the bolded bit is very confused and may need to be reworded.
Greyblades
12-15-2015, 12:27
You still don't understand what Trump is trying to do, which is fine because the carnival act is very distracting. If you look at his YouTube channel he was clearly exploring a presidential campaign back for the 2012 election cycle. Here is an interesting video from his channel with only 50,000 views. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wc8a7L0lS58) Trump is all about image, he is a very smart individual despite what people want to think. He knows the image he gives off, and it is clear from the video that he believes the time wasn't right back then to enter the race. But why? Well, Obama was an incumbent and a quick glance at recent history suggests that Americans are clearly willing to give a President another 4 years, even with mediocre results as long as the other party doesn't stumble upon someone who is a lot more charismatic (see Clinton v. Bush Sr.). One month after he posted the linked video, his official twitter turns from soft advertising for Celebrity Apprentice and golf courses, into the amazing vomit of Trumpisms we know today (https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/88617765589630976). For someone who just posted a video about how he would rather "take the NBC money and run" rather than enter politics, it seems odd to suddenly kick out the social media intern and start posting political opinions all day.
I personally think he was waiting out the remaining establishment Republicans to fail in their efforts to stop Obama. His main reasons for not running in 2012 are to point out the failures of the Republican Party which seems odd, considering he identifies as a Republican. Why would you run if you already thought your party was doing a great job? Romney was clearly the next in line, even by that point in the political race and I believe that Trump sensed a better opportunity for the next cycle after another loss by an establishment Republican.
Of course though, Trump is not going to win. And I doubt he ever thought he could win. But, the key difference is now without an incumbent and with the Republican Party leadership in tatters after Romney's loss (remember that not only did he lose, he lost by an unexpected 5 million votes), Trump is using this opportunity to cement himself as a political figure with the end goal of being someone who makes decisions behind the scenes and perhaps has a stronger say in the RNC. It's why he is so eager to pull out the independent campaign, it's why the establishment hates him so much. The whole point is to hold this election hostage and force himself into the party whether the current Republican leadership likes it or not. It's why Rick Scott said in his concession speech that the only way to defeat Trump is for everyone but the "real" contenders to drop out and show deference to the establishment. The party leadership really needed to put their foot down when choosing the next candidate months ago. Instead they left it to the primary system and now they must deal with the reality that the next election cycle is going to be determined by the individual who can easily court the most polarized and radical of Republican voters.
...You need to leave the internet on weekends and head to the pub.
a completely inoffensive name
12-15-2015, 18:58
I don't see how he can gain power at the top of the party regardless of any outcome over the next year (short of becoming President). Also, the bolded bit is very confused and may need to be reworded.
Basically, I am saying that that trump is going to eventually leave the race and endorse someone else and in return will have some sort of additional political clout within the party. This is a very important election that the republicans need to win since there could be up to 3 supreme court justices retiring and the last realistic chance for a republican reversal of Obamacare.
The bold part is me saying that he carefully picked this battle so that he could maximize his leverage. First by picking an election where there was no incumbent, and second by entering when there was no clear leader among republicans.
a completely inoffensive name
12-15-2015, 19:03
...You need to leave the internet on weekends and head to the pub.
I do, I was absolutely hammered when I wrote that.
Montmorency
12-15-2015, 19:21
Basically, I am saying that that trump is going to eventually leave the race and endorse someone else and in return will have some sort of additional political clout within the party. This is a very important election that the republicans need to win since there could be up to 3 supreme court justices retiring and the last realistic chance for a republican reversal of Obamacare.
The bold part is me saying that he carefully picked this battle so that he could maximize his leverage. First by picking an election where there was no incumbent, and second by entering when there was no clear leader among republicans.
Put that way, it's been a major theme of this thread almost from the beginning. Ultimately, I don't think that's how it will play out even if it is Trump's plan. Those paying attention to Trump, especially his supporters, are motivated by his saying things that resonate with them.
dropping out with instructions on how to proceed with 'the good fight' will be vulnerable to a combination of resurgent apathy and the main liners like Cruz swooping in to take out the legs. If his plan is to influence politics specifically through the endorsement of an alternative, then he will have proven just as unsavvy as his staunchest detractors claim.
P.S. I'm a teetotaler. Can you supervise me on a bender one day, just for the sake of documenting the effects of alcohol intoxication on me?
a completely inoffensive name
12-16-2015, 09:54
Just play CSGO while drunk and review the replays. Your style will say everything there is to know about you.
a completely inoffensive name
12-16-2015, 09:57
Oh, and I just watched the debate tonight. Cruz, Trump and possibly Christie came out looking well. Jeb Bush still trying to find the secret words to stump the trump. He will never find them.
Also, the audience had too many Rand Paul fans, I almost thought his opinions were becoming more popular.
Greyblades
12-16-2015, 10:18
Well he has been emulating trump recently. Even doing things trump does before trump (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-trump-muslim-ban).
Republicans being Republicans.
Kralizec
12-16-2015, 21:48
Well he has been emulating trump recently. Even doing things trump does before trump (http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/rand-paul-trump-muslim-ban).
Paul proposed to stop handing out visas to a limited (albeit large) group of countries, based on the prevalence of islamic fundamentalism in those countries.
Trump proposed we stop letting in muslims, period.
Paul said this ban would last until additional screening procedures were implemented.
Trump said his ban would last until the government "figured out what is going on" and "got its act together". What does that even mean?
The most you can say is that Paul is trying to appeal to some of Trump's supporters. If you can't see the difference between them, your loss as I'm not going to spoon feed it to you.
Trumps number one fan, Putin (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35124280).
Trumps number one fan, Putin (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35124280).
IKR. The irony...this is worthy of going in the news of the weird, specially considering how weird both of them are.
Ironside
12-19-2015, 12:56
Trumps number one fan, Putin (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-35124280).
Putin's number one fan, Trump (http://uk.businessinsider.com/donald-trump-vladimir-putin-joe-scarborough-2015-12?r=US&IR=T).
You know I'm actually not surprised Donald and Vlad like each other so much, they seem to have similar views on leadership.
Gilrandir
12-20-2015, 09:39
You know I'm actually not surprised Donald and Vlad like each other so much, they seem to have similar views on leadership.
Vlad is the short for Vladislav, the short for Vladimir is Volodya or Vova.
Shaka_Khan
12-21-2015, 19:21
I don't watch Miss Universe, but Trump and Harvey made me read about a recent Miss Universe incident.
It's in the math. The GOP owns both houses due to gerrymandering the House districts and the rural states equality in the Senate, the popular vote is against them nationwide. The only hope they have for the White House is to keep/improve the white vote from 2012 AND significantly increase the Latino vote, which Trump is doing a good job of alienating. The GOP leadership knows this, he will either be marginalized when the primaries start, or the GOP is about to waste a lot of money on a lost cause.
Nobody is ahead of anybody right now, the first real voting happens in February.
That goes without saying... ~:rolleyes:
I must agree, neither Clinton or Trump will be much benefit if elected. However, Trump is a classless buffoon who has absolutely no business leading a nation. Hillary Clinton at least has experience and political standing, if not in her own nation of dimwits. If it comes down to choosing between the two, it should be a fairly clear decision to make: Elect someone who might stand a chance at success, or an abrasive bigot who will further sully the reputation of Americans as a whole.
Bernie Sanders appears to be rising rather quickly as a possible front runner. His policies and approach seem to be in the best interest of the majority of the American people, but I rarely see him mentioned in mainstream media. I fear that the only reason he isn't already leading the polls already is that Americans have become complacent and trusting in what they're told, rather than researching the issues and making informed decisions of their own.
Thoughts?
See, when I think "shakeup", I think a fresh cast of idealistic candidates who have an interest in one or two major issues, and have interesting ideas regarding those issues. Instead, what there is happens to be email servers and an idiot, plus there are some kettleheads like Cruz in the background making noise. Basically, it's 2000 all over again.
I have to agree with both of you. Trump's success was a much needed wake-up call, which is unfortunately falling on many deaf ears. On the other side of the same coin, we do need candidates who truly care for the people rather than their party's interests. In all honesty, Bernie Sanders is someone I truly believe to be one of those candidates in which we are in such dire need of.
That is exactly his appeal: he says what he thinks no matter how crazy it might sound.
The issue is that Trump is the representative and embodied voice of the ignorant, under-educated, culturally retarded, white and racist fragments of American society. Yes, he speaks his mind. So do most of the people we see shouting obscenities and racial slurs in public. Speaking your mind doesn't make you fit to lead a country, thinking through an issue and seeking a reasonable and rational solution which benefits the country rather than your irrational fear and hatred of ethnic diversity is the qualifier. Trump is a crass, belligerent wasp of a man who leaves the rest of the world shaking their heads at the foolishness of the American public. The mere fact that this man lasted more than a day in the running for presidential office is a farce.
Still convinced he is a Hillary plant.
If he's a plant, it was a success. He's proven how screwed-up the Republican party really is. No, I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican; I feel both parties have drastically flawed ways of approaching the serious issues plaguing the nation. I do, however, agree more with Democratic nominees and policies.
Ultimately, I fear for the future when people such as Sarah Palin and Donald Trump can run for candidacy and see such support from a major political party. America's got a lot of problems, many of which could be solved through simply being informed about facts rather than hearsay.
Shaka_Khan
12-23-2015, 07:33
If he's a plant, it was a success. He's proven how screwed-up the Republican party really is. No, I am neither a Democrat nor a Republican; I feel both parties have drastically flawed ways of approaching the serious issues plaguing the nation. I do, however, agree more with Democratic nominees and policies.
Ultimately, I fear for the future when people such as Sarah Palin and Donald Trump can run for candidacy and see such support from a major political party. America's got a lot of problems, many of which could be solved through simply being informed about facts rather than hearsay.
If Trump is a plant, then he sacrificed his own image. And he offended a lot of his friends.
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