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Kadagar_AV
08-25-2015, 00:39
I think the climate was great here a time ago, but lately... I don't know...
I'd vote Montmorency and PVC to get mod rights... The calmest heads around...
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-25-2015, 02:01
Oh no!
Not if you hold me down and staple the mask to my face!
For one thing I'm not really suited to it, for another I disagree violently on moderating policy with Beskar, and he's the Admin.
Kadagar_AV
08-25-2015, 02:16
Oh no!
Not if you hold me down and staple the mask to my face!
For one thing I'm not really suited to it, for another I disagree violently on moderating policy with Beskar, and he's the Admin.
* We don't talk about sex now...
* That's why I recommend you.
All: Don't read this as that much criticism.. I still SO prefer what we have to what we had.
With that said, I even rolled my eyes that some things I wrote was ok... A warning point here and there can work wonders :)
For one thing I'm not really suited to it, for another I disagree violently on moderating policy with Beskar, and he's the Admin.
Oh?
Out of curiosity, what do you disagree violently with?
Kadagar_AV
08-25-2015, 03:03
Oh?
Out of curiosity, what do you disagree violently with?
I can only answer for myself... But: "The general tone".
Beskar, I think you have done a DAMN good job... I salute you in every way possible, and would gladly buy you a beer...
From my perspective, it is not that you have done anything wrong, it's just that we need more eyes and ears.
Let me make one thing clear, I do NOT, I repeat, NOT talk about replacing mods, I am talking about adding mods.
I firmly believe that people grow when they get responsibility, and that a team need many perspectives.
I only blame you for being a human with a real world to deal with. When you have acted, in each and every situation I have seen, I have found it OK to GREAT.
But the general tone has... I dunno... It isn't as good as a year ago. And the trolling has gone up.
To combat that you need TIME and ENERGY, not a change of rules...
So again, this is with the deepest respects (I should have made that clear in the OP, sorry, I suck at OPs).
:bow: :bow: :bow:
To combat that you need TIME and ENERGY,
Whilst I agree, i wouldn't describe that as something to violently disagree with. I would use such a term to describe a disagreement, such as opposing a tyrants ironfist.
Kadagar_AV
08-25-2015, 03:32
Whilst I agree, i wouldn't describe that as something to violently disagree with. I would use such a term to describe a disagreement, such as opposing a tyrants ironfist.
If I would rank the "thank you for your volunteer time and effort" factor on a scale from 1-10 I'd say PVC's answer was on the minus scale :bow:
Hooahguy
08-25-2015, 04:00
To be fair, we have lost a number of very active members in the BR over the past year so thats why discussion has gone down I think.
Kadagar_AV
08-25-2015, 04:06
To be fair, we have lost a number of very active members in the BR over the past year so thats why discussion has gone down I think.
This is about quality not quantity...
Beskar is a great moderator as he acts completily neutral. I don't understand why this thread exists.
Kadagar_AV
08-25-2015, 14:04
Beskar is a great moderator as he acts completily neutral. I don't understand why this thread exists.
I full heartedly agree...
Again, I wish there was MORE moderation, not better.
I would myself have accepted a pinch in the ear or two...
Again, I wish there was MORE moderation, not better.
I would myself have accepted a pinch in the ear or two...
To be fair, you would probably receive a larger brunt of it. :laugh4:
"Becareful of what you wish for"
On a side note, the biggest complaint about the Backroom I have received from newer/irregulars is that it is considered too right-wing/racist and this apparently stops people feeling welcome and prefer to avoid the place, with an apparent hostile atmosphere towards non-regulars. The problem here, is that I personally don't want to censor peoples opinion and in fact, encourage opinions to be challenged as long as it doesn't cross certain lines. This has been a disagreement with my moderation as I haven't locked down certain posts and threads.
On the otherside, we have also lost quite a few posters which used to frequent in the past like Hooah has pointed out due to real life, lack of interest in Total War, or more unfortunate reasons.
Kadagar_AV
08-25-2015, 14:27
To be fair, you would probably receive a larger brunt of it. :laugh4:
"Becareful of what you wish for"
On a side note, the biggest complaint about the Backroom I have received from newer/irregulars is that it is considered too right-wing/racist and this apparently stops people feeling welcome and prefer to avoid the place, with an apparent hostile atmosphere towards non-regulars. The problem here, is that I personally don't want to censor peoples opinion and in fact, encourage opinions to be challenged as long as it doesn't cross certain lines. This has been a disagreement with my moderation as I haven't locked down certain posts and threads.
On the otherside, we have also lost quite a few posters which used to frequent in the past like Hooah has pointed out due to real life, lack of interest in Total War, or more unfortunate reasons.
Point accepted Beskar... :laugh4:
To be fair, you would probably receive a larger brunt of it. :laugh4:
"Becareful of what you wish for"
On a side note, the biggest complaint about the Backroom I have received from newer/irregulars is that it is considered too right-wing/racist and this apparently stops people feeling welcome and prefer to avoid the place, with an apparent hostile atmosphere towards non-regulars.
Can't be, there are only sensible people and leftists with clouded judgement here.
These newbies lack common sense.
AE Bravo
08-25-2015, 17:36
I've been a longtime lurker here (since Tribesmen and the guy from Norway RIP) and I've learned a lot. My first post here isn't exactly common sense but it seems like it's okay to be racist here. Removed.
Why this isn't acknowledged is beyond me. Maybe cus I'm a newbie.
Leet Eriksson
08-25-2015, 18:08
I've been a longtime lurker here (since Tribesmen and the guy from Norway RIP) and I've learned a lot. My first post here isn't exactly common sense but it seems like it's okay to be racist here.
Why this isn't acknowledged is beyond me. Maybe cus I'm a newbie.
Its the backroom, we come to laugh at deluded racists with severe cases of cognitive dissonance, i don't think you really should engage anyone like that seriously.
but it seems like it's okay to be racist here.
The problem is the subtle-racism and overt-racism line. I do crack down on the overt 'n-words' and such like, but with topics like immigration, it is something that is constantly in the news and there are indeed those who would prefer less immigration.
Now, not everyone who is against immigration is a racist. So there this is a thin-line where it can cross into over-moderation pretty easy, so I attempt to tackle the overt instances the most.
I've been a longtime lurker here (since Tribesmen and the guy from Norway RIP) and I've learned a lot. My first post here isn't exactly common sense but it seems like it's okay to be racist here. OP is simply a bigot who probably had his gf stolen by a black guy cus she wanted bigger.
Why this isn't acknowledged is beyond me. Maybe cus I'm a newbie.
that are a lot of assumptions on how things work. If you are a newbie, you can go very far as long as you have good manners. Trying to disqualify someone and thinking up reasons belongs in a rap-battle as you put things
that are a lot of assumptions on how things work. If you are a newbie, you can go very far as long as you have good manners. Trying to disqualify someone and thinking up reasons belongs in a rap-battle as you put things
How many new people have come lately and what does that tell us about the reality or the use of such an explanation?
How many new people have come lately and what does that tell us about the reality or the use of such an explanation?
I don't call new people a newbie. I have been here over 10 years and I still consider myself a newcomer.
Montmorency
08-25-2015, 20:53
I don't see the point of more moderation in the Backroom anymore - it's too small. Furthermore, I'm not the person for the job.
As for newcomers and lurkers feeling uncomfortable, well, I don't see what we could do besides outright banning certain members. At that point it just comes back to the numbers though; it won't improve the overall situation. Either way, the culture of the Old Org is but history now. May as well enjoy what we have while we still can.
We have to provide what the youth wants, and the youth wants Justin Bieber. We should stop focusing on Total War and re-brand ourselves as a Justin Bieber fan forum, and our ranks will swell.
We have to provide what the youth wants, and the youth wants Justin Bieber. We should stop focusing on Total War and re-brand ourselves as a Justin Bieber fan forum, and our ranks will swell.
That's a bannable offense. Beskar :smash:
Furunculus
08-25-2015, 21:19
On a side note, the biggest complaint about the Backroom I have received from newer/irregulars is that it is considered too right-wing/racist and this apparently stops people feeling welcome and prefer to avoid the place, with an apparent hostile atmosphere towards non-regulars.
What! I've barely been around in the last two years. I expected the tone of the place to have raised in my absence?
More seriously; I think all should understand just how difficult it is to moderate a free-form off-topic/politics sub forum.
I remember BG with particular fondness, but all of the BR mods have my upmost respect and admiration.
For me, life got in the way, but I hope to spend more time on the .Org in future.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-25-2015, 23:28
Oh?
Out of curiosity, what do you disagree violently with?
Pretty much your entire outlook on life, your policy toward moderation, your internet and real life politics.
If you want a specific example, I think you locked Strike's thread too late to avoid it getting nasty but too early for it to achieve catharsis .
Like all good Englishman I crave the iron fist of a man who is better bred and more expensively educated than myself.
Sadly, as I come from impoverished gentry and am lacking at least one Great-Great grandparent the bar there is quite high.
Pretty much your entire outlook on life, your policy toward moderation, your internet and real life politics.
:laugh4: Ouch. Makes me curious with your opinions on what those are, but probably better for a different place.
If you want a specific example, I think you locked Strike's thread too late to avoid it getting nasty but too early for it to achieve catharsis.
Was one of those matters where I didn't really want to be seen locking down discussion in a somewhat tyrannical way, since after all, it was discussing staff.
Papewaio
08-26-2015, 00:07
Isn't that what we want in moderators? Spread of views.
Moderating the Backroom is not an easy job and some topics get under people's skin way to easy so keeping calm is not always what one can expect of a human. Best response sometimes is editing with or responding with :flowers:
AE Bravo
08-26-2015, 01:56
Trying to disqualify someone and thinking up reasons belongs in a rap-battle as you put things
It's the way I talk among friends. Let it be a constant reminder that yall need to chill the f out. Human beings > talking keyboards
It's like you've devolved into the 'hatebeard' you despise so much. Racially charged arguments are never cool y'nahmean.
It's the way I talk among friends. Let it be a constant reminder that yall need to chill the f out. Human beings > talking keyboards
It's like you've devolved into the 'hatebeard' you despise so much. Racially charged arguments are never cool y'nahmean.
You are free to take offence. I think most here understand that my views are much more nuanced than they sometimes can look like. I like to be sarcastic just as much as people like to be politically correct. It never gotten me a warning from Beskar so it's all in the comfort-zone
You are free to take offence. I think most here understand that my views are much more nuanced than they sometimes can look like. I like to be sarcastic just as much as people like to be politically correct. It never gotten me a warning from Beskar so it's all in the comfort-zone
Isn't that part of the problem? People who don't know you don't know anything about you than what they read.
I know that you're not a bad guy but you sometimes do appear like one.
Part of the reason I sometimes engage in discussion here is that I do not want outsiders to think that certain (seemingly) extreme views appear here unopposed. I have realized though that it has become almost futile by now and people still stay away thinking that this is a racist cesspool. Might as well stay away more often myself and leave what looks like a right wing circlejerk behind. For me it would save a lot of hours.
:shrug:
Isn't that part of the problem? People who don't know you don't know anything about you than what they read.
I know that you're not a bad guy but you sometimes do appear like one.
Part of the reason I sometimes engage in discussion here is that I do not want outsiders to think that certain (seemingly) extreme views appear here unopposed. I have realized though that it has become almost futile by now and people still stay away thinking that this is a racist cesspool. Might as well stay away more often myself and leave what looks like a right wing circlejerk behind. For me it would save a lot of hours.
:shrug:
Point taken
Gilrandir
08-26-2015, 15:40
Like all good Englishman I crave the iron fist of a man who is better bred and more expensively educated than myself.
OH MY GOD!!!
Now in Britain they want Putin too.
What makes him so special?
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-26-2015, 17:17
OH MY GOD!!!
Now in Britain they want Putin too.
What makes him so special?
Putin is neither of those things, though. He's as much a peasant lacking class as he is a Tyrant lacking morality.
However, a peasant with class and a tyrant with a strong morality is the current Pope Francis.
By Popes go, I actually like him, he is actually one who acts like Christian should.
Gilrandir
08-26-2015, 17:26
Putin is neither of those things, though. He's as much a peasant lacking class as he is a Tyrant lacking morality.
Just wait a bit. A year or two later in Russian history books he will be both.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-26-2015, 20:30
However, a peasant with class and a tyrant with a strong morality is the current Pope Francis.
By Popes go, I actually like him, he is actually one who acts like Christian should.
Except the Pope is neither a peasant nor a Tyrant, his father was an accountant from Northern Italy and he is the elected Theocratic Monarch of Vatican City According to the Basic Law.
Conversely, Putin's parents were a factory worker and Navy conscript, and his abuse of the Russian Constitution is well documented (outside Russia).
It's awfully charitable of you to say he's not all that bad, for a Pope, though.
CrossLOPER
08-26-2015, 20:44
I've been a longtime lurker here (since Tribesmen and the guy from Norway RIP) and I've learned a lot. My first post here isn't exactly common sense but it seems like it's okay to be racist here. OP is simply a bigot who probably had his gf stolen by a black guy cus she wanted bigger.
Why this isn't acknowledged is beyond me. Maybe cus I'm a newbie.
It's not acknowledged because this forum is actually pretty polite towards its socially/penisly handicapped. I know of at least one guy that this place harbors who was thrown off a certain forum site because they could not take his constant racist inane ranting seriously or something. I sometimes think that this place is worse in the sense that the people here just humor these members to keep them talking and thus produce comedy gold with their tales of highly illegal hiring practices, extreme racism, nationalist denial, contempt towards youth, high-school level religious philosophy and other fine discussion topics.
Greyblades
08-26-2015, 22:58
It's not acknowledged because this forum is actually pretty polite towards its socially/penisly handicapped.
It's not helped by the fact that the people who do acknowledge it have a near constant habit of suffering even greater handicaps.
Kadagar_AV
08-26-2015, 23:07
Inappropriate.
Kadagar_AV
08-27-2015, 00:28
Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs.
Belief doesn't change facts. Facts, if you are reasonable, should change your beliefs.
Correct. This is why facts are important, so going out of your way to research a subject or poke your nose in a few academic journals or other first and secondary sources depending on the nature of what you are wanting to know about would give you a good understanding.
I'll recommend it.
Kadagar_AV
08-27-2015, 01:12
Correct. This is why facts are important, so going out of your way to research a subject or poke your nose in a few academic journals or other first and secondary sources depending on the nature of what you are wanting to know about would give you a good understanding.
I'll recommend it.
Uh, dude!!
I have double the University points to teach at the highest level in my subjects, and work as political analyst.
I run facts and figures all day, it's what I do.
CrossLOPER
08-27-2015, 01:14
It's not helped by the fact that the people who do acknowledge it have a near constant habit of suffering even greater handicaps.
Like being too honest?
The way you master your grammar and logic, make me think you are of colour.
Now, is this racist, prejudist or just the reality?
yenawdawg u jst pln wakk mn
Kadagar_AV
08-27-2015, 01:16
Like being too honest?
This.
Philippus Flavius Homovallumus
08-27-2015, 01:26
To Beskar
Errr....
The Guy said Kad's girlfriend dumped him because she went Black and Kad said "sounds like you're Black". In fairness, poster could also be a troll who likes to pretend to be black online the way fat dudes pretend to be chicks in WOW.
You'll notice he said he's a long-time lurker, so sounds like he's making an actual reference to Kad's personal life, some of which has been shared here.
So...
Yeah...
Open season on the douche, really.
Unless you want to actually emulate Banquo and Kukri and make us be nice I figure you've got to let Kad rip the guy to shreds because you didn't censor the offensive post with the racist personal attack in.
Kadagar_AV
08-27-2015, 01:30
Separating work from pleasure does sure help to keep someone sane, I agree.
Really, love... Kad is Kad...
Ski instructing...
Teaching...
Political analyst...
Kad has still been Kad...
Greyblades
08-27-2015, 01:31
Like being too honest?
No that's kadagar's handicap.
Kadagar_AV
08-27-2015, 01:42
No that's kadagar's handicap.
I think he meant you might have stated it more clearly...
Unless you want to actually emulate Banquo and Kukri and make us be nice I figure you've got to let Kad rip the guy to shreds because you didn't censor the offensive post with the racist personal attack in.
Considering you didn't report the post, it is not objectionable material. The amount of reports we get is usually like 1 or 2 times a month, tops. I'll advise the use of this function in the future, because the perception is the lack of use is because there is a lack of objection, something you have suggested is not the case.
As for the content itself, it did not contain personal information, it was a silly attack in the vein of "Why do you have such an issue against black people, did your ex run off with one?". As far as I am aware, Kadagar has never stated any information leading to this fact and my apologies if this is indeed personal information being reused and the nature of the question is worse than posts in a couple of other threads where someone was basically told they are a liar about their military experience and should return to coo-coo land. Interestingly, the question "Did your ex run off with a black guy?" was also deemed worse than the "Are you black? Call me Racist, you seem inferior like that" being implied in the reply which you defended.
You are correct, I am not Banquo's Ghost and if the feeling is that there isn't enough moderation, I will correct this issue. On the ballot, I'll make it my duty to ensure a quota of warnings and infractions to the letter of the rules. :bow:
Kadagar_AV
08-27-2015, 01:56
wrote stuff
PVC meant I used to be engaged, but we didn't marry.
Since you for some reason CONTINUE the talk about my personal life - thankyouverymuch - I can assure you my ex would shiver in horror at the very idea of having sex with a black guy.
They more, like, disgusted her.
But enough about my ex, shall we? I'm still flabbergasted it was brought up to begin with.
Errr....
The Guy said Kad's girlfriend dumped him because she went Black and Kad said "sounds like you're Black".
That is a serious misrepresentation, read again:
The way you master your grammar and logic, make me think you are of colour.
It is definitely not a direct reply to the girlfriend comment as you claim.
The idea is to say that bad grammar and lack of logic indicate a black person, a very racist statement indeed.
PVC meant I used to be engaged, but we didn't marry. But enough about my ex, shall we? I'm still flabbergasted it was brought up to begin with.
I know what PVC was referring and it was unfortunate he brought it up.
Indeed, it was unfair to bring up peoples personal lives to make attacks, and this is something which is ill-advised.
It is definitely not a direct reply to the girlfriend comment as you claim.
The idea is to say that bad grammar and lack of logic indicate a black person, a very racist statement indeed.
You however are correct in your interpretation. You are correct PVC, I have been lenient.
I will respond to your and Kadagar_AV's interest in more active future moderation as requested. As suggested near the beginning, "Becareful of what you wish for", I will however bow down to the demands of the patrons i serve. :bow:
Kadagar_AV
08-27-2015, 02:15
I know what PVC was referring and it was unfortunate he brought it up.
Indeed, it was unfair to bring up peoples personal lives to make attacks, and this is something which is ill-advised.
You however are correct in your interpretation. You are correct PVC, I have been lenient.
I will respond to your and Kadhagar's interest in more active future moderation as requested. As suggested near the beginning, "Becareful of what you wish for", I will however bow down to the demands of the patrons i serve. :bow:
I expect you to do you damned BEST, and spell my name right.
Also, I argue the workload is too much for you - for very understandable reasons, and you should think about sharing the responsibility...
You should still carry the responsibility though, best Admin I have seen around on the boards I frequent :)
You TRY to be fair, and I respect you or it. I will not always think you are fair, it would be weird if I did. But damn, I still respect you for it.
Also, I think what we really should take away from this thread is:
WE NEED TO REPORT
It's easy to say offensive comments are let through, but really we have been lax in reporting. That is something we, collectively, should work with..
We get the board we together create :)
Also, I think what we really should take away from this thread is:
WE NEED TO REPORT
It's easy to say offensive comments are let through, but really we have been lax in reporting. That is something we, collectively, should work with..
We get the board we together create :)
Don't worry, I won't infract you for anything you haven't broken, but yes, you do give some good advice here. If you object to something 'Report It'. This function can be seen at the bottom of posts.
Whilst I am not at the computer 24/7, I will go through the reports and deal with any issues where appropriate.
I will go through any current topics to remedy outstanding issues. I think the purpose of this thread has been served and I will ensure to use my moderator tools more often.
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