I want it and I want it NOW! Hello CA.

[ToranagaSama]

Haven't played enough post-patch MTW, but IMO, STW battles are superior to MTW battles. The maps lent for greater tactical opportunites. The Seasons and the Weather also added greatly to tactical descisions. I could go on, blah, blah...Oh let me not forget Naginta Cavalry

Shogun, for me, and I'm sure others, is the preferable game. It just needs MTW's additional Strategic elements, i.e., the Campaign Map.

I want the benefits of MTW's Campaign Map, but with a larger STW map and with STW's units. In other words, I want a Japanese "M"TW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Anybody else?

CA, is this at all in the thinking?

Despite certain forum members putting CA/Activision down as quick buck artist, I'd certainly be VERY happy to pay for this Add-On (??) You could take the money and put it towards Campaign Multiplay.

Too late for Christmas, how about February.

Anyone thought about modding this? Difficulty??

[Moderator, if the poll is screwed up, please delete and I'll try it again. Not sure what I'm doing.]

[RabidMonkey]

I totally agree with you ToranagaSama and i bet there are a lot of STW veterans out there who would to

[deejayvee]

I would for sure.

Is $40 the full price of a game in the US?

[The Last Emperor]

I was actually hoping for another add-on for STW based on the Japan-Korea War of 1592-1598...of course w/ MTW campaign map features. I actually feel that STW is the more organised & in-depth game compared to MTW though the former lacks the unit variaty.

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (deejayvee @ Dec. 05 2002,21:28)]I would for sure.

Is $40 the full price of a game in the US?
It ranges roughly US$20-60, with the average I'd say about $40. I should have distingushed US currency and I guess I should have accounted for some other, perhaps, Negative , responses in the poll too. Over 90 views and just a few responses.

I'm hoping the majority are just new to the TW series, with MTW their only exposure. Fingers-crossed that's the case.

Actually, I'd pay $60 for it, since it was my poll I took the middle route and choose $30.

Japan-Korea, would be VERY cool

Are there so few Samurai among us...shhh.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[Ktonos]

How come you dont give a choice of something like "no, I prefer any future add-on to be european medieval"?

[Rosacrux]

"No, I'd rather have a renaissance add-on"

[Foreign Devil]

See... my user name is really clever when I post in the shogun forums.... but all the action is in the main hall nowadays.... and some people there might not get it.... and thats a real shame, don't you think? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[chunkynut]

Not overly bothered. Just posting because i like the way that 4 people (now) voted for the question http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Ktonos]

I suppose they did so due to their objection to the absence of a "no,I wouldn't like such an add on".
At least I did so.

MTW is a much much better game allaround, most of the users believe so, as far as I know.

[Knight_Yellow]

Why isnt there a no button?
seems a bit silly were all the answers are yes
i think that no shogun shouldnt get the upgrade cos mtw is sutch a good game its miles better than shogun witch only gives u like 10 units where as this gives u dozens and dozens of units. shogun is better off left in the cupboard to gather dust i hope the next full game includes the romans when they were first gettin there to when they ruled every1 until eventualy the empire crumbled. whats the point of paying for sumthing u have alrdy got just with new features would u lot have paid 40 dollars for mtw patch 1.1 cos thats essentialy what u r asking to pay for.

[Kraellin]

i kind of like the idea, but if you were going to do it, i'd add in all the souther provinces of china and expand the campaign map. this way the whole mongol horde thing could be done better.

and if you are looking for ideas for the next in the series for TW, i'd say that the rise of the chinese empire would make an excellent game, back when it was still a lot of fighting provinces.

K.

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 06 2002,01:18)]How come you dont give a choice of something like "no, I prefer any future add-on to be european medieval"?
Cause I ain't interested in THAT

Create your own damn poll, whydontcha http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

Toranaga-Sama is a Samurai with his Bow, perfectly created Katana embuing the sole of the Samurai, and his dedication to The Way, Toranaga would defeat any Gaijin stuffed in a can, "winched" atop an oversized horse too big and slow for any other use except plowing fields. A Gaijin who couldn't even get up if he feel to ground and would probably DROWN if he fell in a pool of water. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Toranaga laughs at the thought....

Create your own damn poll, whydontcha http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif



[For the uninitiated, TS is jokingly serious, don't get your panties in a bunch]

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 06 2002,06:22)]I suppose they did so due to their objection to the absence of a "no,I wouldn't like such an add on".
At least I did so.

MTW is a much much better game allaround, most of the users believe so, as far as I know.
I don't get your point??

How is MTW a "better" game than STW with the addition of the "allaround" stuff?? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] ]whats the point of paying for sumthing u have alrdy got just with new features would u lot have paid 40 dollars for mtw patch 1.1 cos thats essentialy what u r asking to pay for.


Dude That's a twisted comment, what the heck are you talking about?

I guess you've NEVER paid for an Upgrade and/or Add-On??

What do you think Medieval is, but Shogun with "new" features.

I love the smell of Canibus in the morning.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif
Didn't your mother tell you to stop that?

[TS is in a cynical mode today, forgive him.]

-------------

Yeah, "maybe" I s/h added a more direct "negative" to the poll, but TS generally thinks positively, plus I had a hard enough time figuring the Poll out w/o making a mistake.

You can't "preview" the poll, nor "edit" (to my knowledge); and Soly would probably get his panties in a bunch if, with my new experience, I formulated a "new" poll on the same subject.

The problem with the Poll is not that there's no "NO" vote provided, but that I didn't discriminate to Shogun veterans. It would seem that half of the Guild members don't have experience with Shogun. Guess, I should post it in the Dojo, is it still the Dojo?

[Mods and Admins, wouldn't the workings of the Poll feature be a good topic for the Watch Tower? I thought that's the place for discussion on the workings of the BB.]

[Knight_Yellow]

no i dont pay for addons and neither does pretty mutch any1 i leave the sims for that. and my point is if u gave shogun all the features of mtw it would still suck cos mtw is home territory to way more ppl. and dont include china if u say that stw is more home territory as i doubt even .5% of chineese have comps.
and by throwing out 3 ideas as pointless or "i dont care" just shows how weak ur point of view is.
i reckon a new game altogether like the romans or dare i say it napoleonic times would be far better recieved than the idea witch the original game was based on and subsequent addons.

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Dec. 06 2002,20:19)]no i dont pay for addons and neither does pretty mutch any1 i leave the sims for that. and my point is if u gave shogun all the features of mtw it would still suck cos mtw is home territory to way more ppl. and dont include china if u say that stw is more home territory as i doubt even .5% of chineese have comps.
and by throwing out 3 ideas as pointless or "i dont care" just shows how weak ur point of view is.
i reckon a new game altogether like the romans or dare i say it napoleonic times would be far better recieved than the idea witch the original game was based on and subsequent addons.
Either you are a thief or warez freak

Did you buy Shogun? Did you pay for STW:MI?

Dude your funny. What games have you "paid" for? They must have been some real stinkers, cause virtually EVERY successful game has an Add-On/Upgrade http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Guess you don't know many people and don't have any friends.

In what manner is my point weak? Because you don't agree with it?

So, MTW would still "SUCK"? Some of the stupidest logic I've ever encountered. By your logic, ONLY games that concern people's "home territory" can NOT suck Consequently, Shogun sucked and was a failure as a game.

[I do love the smell of canibus in the morning.]

I guess you can include in your comments of peoples to discount, Singaporeans, Koreans, Taiwanese, Indians, Pakistanis, Latin Americans, Africans, and anyone else who isn't pink-skinned, straight-haired and doesn't find their origins within the continent of Europe. Oh I forgot to mention Japanese.

You disgust me, as do all narrow-minded humans

"and my point is if u gave shogun all the features of mtw it would still suck cos mtw is home territory to way more ppl."

Infukincredible

OK, leaving the Dark Side, basic reasons this would be good for CA/Activision:

One, development cost would be minimal, the time to do it would also be minimal, consequently the profit margin would be greater than either STW or MTW, and less than STW:MI. If only 50-75% of Shogun Total War buyers were to pick up a copy it'd more than likely would be quite profitable. THIS IS MY POINT

So, how about it CA?

[Brother Derfel]

Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Dec. 07 2002,06:08)]
Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Dec. 06 2002,20:19)]no i dont pay for addons and neither does pretty mutch any1 i leave the sims for that. and my point is if u gave shogun all the features of mtw it would still suck cos mtw is home territory to way more ppl. and dont include china if u say that stw is more home territory as i doubt even .5% of chineese have comps.
and by throwing out 3 ideas as pointless or "i dont care" just shows how weak ur point of view is.
i reckon a new game altogether like the romans or dare i say it napoleonic times would be far better recieved than the idea witch the original game was based on and subsequent addons.
Either you are a thief or warez freak

Did you buy Shogun? Did you pay for STW:MI?

Dude your funny. What games have you "paid" for? They must have been some real stinkers, cause virtually EVERY successful game has an Add-On/Upgrade http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif

Guess you don't know many people and don't have any friends.

In what manner is my point weak? Because you don't agree with it?

So, MTW would still "SUCK"? Some of the stupidest logic I've ever encountered. By your logic, ONLY games that concern people's "home territory" can NOT suck Consequently, Shogun sucked and was a failure as a game.

[I do love the smell of canibus in the morning.]

I guess you can include in your comments of peoples to discount, Singaporeans, Koreans, Taiwanese, Indians, Pakistanis, Latin Americans, Africans, and anyone else who isn't pink-skinned, straight-haired and doesn't find their origins within the continent of Europe. Oh I forgot to mention Japanese.

You disgust me, as do all narrow-minded humans

"and my point is if u gave shogun all the features of mtw it would still suck cos mtw is home territory to way more ppl."

Infukincredible

OK, leaving the Dark Side, basic reasons this would be good for CA/Activision:

One, development cost would be minimal, the time to do it would also be minimal, consequently the profit margin would be greater than either STW or MTW, and less than STW:MI. If only 50-75% of Shogun Total War buyers were to pick up a copy it'd more than likely would be quite profitable. THIS IS MY POINT

So, how about it CA?
Here, here, well said.

I would welcome practicaly any add on from any period based around any country.
For me, i enjoy the TW series because of it's game play and it's scope, not because it happens to focus on my 'home territory'.
And add ons are certain;ly not a waste of money, they tend to not only correct any errors from the oiginal release but also give the game so much more depth, scope and variaty. they also keep the game going for longer, you can never keep that many people intersted in a game that is never updated for very long.
So role on a STW-MTW mod, and role on a Renaisance TW and role on Napolonice TW,
I would buy the lot of them..... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Knight_Yellow]

Funnily enough ive tried warez but with no success lets just say too many porn adverts popped up while trying to download the games i got distracted. and i got plenty of friends its just that if i can buy a game copy it and then get my money back then why not?
i wouldnt have done that for mtw though as i like mp in it and i only copy sp games like max payne and tropico etc. sorry but i just dont think that shogun with mtw features would do the license justice, its only an opinion and u dont have to agree with it but saying its twisted and generaly pointless is a bit harsh. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Vlad The Impaler]

Toranaga i appreciate ur thread but please..instead of Clavell's Shogun read Yoshikawa's Taiko:D to get some real stuff bout some part of medieval japan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
now serious...i'm the only one who wants and STW2? or S:WE2?

'bout after medieval..i think renaissance TW si teh best option as patch or smthin; Napoleonic teh next generation.
dunno why:) i like always to go deeper:D

[Knight_Yellow]

Actualy where u qoute me as saying "so mtw would still suck" if u read the thing properly it means if u gave stw all of mtw features stw would still suck, try to understand what ppl have tiped before u throw them out to the hounds.

[hoom]

Well, I prefer STW.
Its more simple, letting you get on with winning and less mucking around between turns.

There are certainly some features of MTW that would make Shogun better, like the generals' statistics and a few interface improvements, but taking too much stuff from MTW and putting it into STW would lose the very thing that makes STW so good.

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Dec. 09 2002,17:41)]Actualy where u qoute me as saying "so mtw would still suck" if u read the thing properly it means if u gave stw all of mtw features stw would still suck, try to understand what ppl have tiped before u throw them out to the hounds.
Little boy, why do you think I did not comprehend your incoherent ramblins?

I've got three suggestions:

1) http://www.mavisbeacon.com/

2) http://www.smartkidssoftware.com/cdari17.htm

3) Stop Trolling

Now, go away please. No one cares

[TheViking]

[QUOTE)
Originally posted by Knight_Yellow
Why isnt there a no button?
seems a bit silly were all the answers are yes
i think that no shogun shouldnt get the upgrade cos mtw is sutch a good game its miles better than shogun witch only gives u like 10 units where as this gives u dozens and dozens of units. shogun is better off left in the cupboard to gather dust i hope the next full game includes the romans when they were first gettin there to when they ruled every1 until eventualy the empire crumbled. whats the point of paying for sumthing u have alrdy got just with new features would u lot have paid 40 dollars for mtw patch 1.1 cos thats essentialy what u r asking to pay for.[/QUOTE]

If you have STW or WE you have payed for somthing you already have, if you have MTW. If you didnt noticed it its pritty much the same game, just with a couple of dozens more units etc etc

And isnt a patch and a add-on 2 different things???
Its the companys duty to make sure the game work and when it doesnt do that when they release it they have to patch it. We who bout the game deserver that atleast.

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] ]Toranaga i appreciate ur thread but please..instead of Clavell's Shogun read Yoshikawa's Taiko:D to get some real stuff bout some part of medieval japan


[/B]Vlad The Impaler[B],

Thanks for pointing me toward Yoshikawa I'll be hitting the bookstore this weekend. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

If anyone else is interested, here's an outline/review, check the Samuri Triology as well:

http://www.gotterdammerung.org/books/reviews/yoshikawa-musashi.html

[Ktonos]

Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Dec. 06 2002,23:28)]
Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 06 2002,01:18)]How come you dont give a choice of something like "no, I prefer any future add-on to be european medieval"?
Cause I ain't interested in THAT

Create your own damn poll, whydontcha http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

Toranaga-Sama is a Samurai with his Bow, perfectly created Katana embuing the sole of the Samurai, and his dedication to The Way, Toranaga would defeat any Gaijin stuffed in a can, "winched" atop an oversized horse too big and slow for any other use except plowing fields. A Gaijin who couldn't even get up if he feel to ground and would probably DROWN if he fell in a pool of water. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Toranaga laughs at the thought....

Create your own damn poll, whydontcha http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif



[For the uninitiated, TS is jokingly serious, don't get your panties in a bunch]
Well I was only interested in improving diplomacy when I posted a poll about what do forum members want in a future add-on. With your way of thinking I should have made it like this:

Which aspect of MTW would you like to get improved/ added in a future add-on?

Poll choices:
1. Diplomacy
2. Diplomacy
or
3. Diplomacy?

Maybe you thought that giving no option for someone to vote "no, I don't like one" you would force the members to vote in such way that the poll would create a false image of ppl wanting to go back to STW.
Ok, I will make a poll.
[Ktonos is jokingly serious too]

Quote:
"What do you think Medieval is, but Shogun with "new" features"

I'd rather say that Shogun was the demo for Medieval.

[fenir]

ToranagaSama

Quote[/b] ]by ToranagaSama
I love the smell of Canibus in the morning....
Didn't your mother tell you to stop that?

[TS is in a cynical mode today, forgive him.]


NO

Actually Yellow Knight is right.

The majority of the buying public for these games is white middle class people of european extraction. Demographically speaking.
That means Europe itself, mainly western europe, and the United States, Canada.
Australia, New Zealand are small markets in comparison.
By the way, latin Americans are of European Extraction, just in case you don't remember your history.
Africa is not a market, and any games sold there are simply put, a small, (abit very small) bonus.
Americans themselves have grown up with the European culture, espeically an Anglo-Saxon culture.
Hence the ideas of Knights and Europe remain a real focus due to a vast majority of Americans(north and south), being of European extraction.
And those not of direct or indirect European extraction have still growen up in the cultural ideas of those nations.

And thats the buying public that any company will play to, why? Because a company has a primary objective to make money, if you can do it by doing something great, then by all means.

As for Asia? has the game even been translated into Asian languages? And would they sell to china given the lack of copy right protection enforcement? Or even translate to Chinese? and if so, which chinese? Catonese, Mandrin, Manchu?


Quote[/b] ]
I guess you can include in your comments of peoples to discount, Singaporeans, Koreans, Taiwanese, Indians, Pakistanis, Latin Americans, Africans, and anyone else who isn't pink-skinned, straight-haired and doesn't find their origins within the continent of Europe. Oh I forgot to mention Japanese.

Actually Europeans come in many shapes and sizes, and with many different looks. Blonde, Black, brown, grey and white hair. And have Curly, straight or wavey hair, or combinations in between.
They are also, White, brown, pink skinned. And of many different religons and languages.
Singaporeans(lots of Europeans living in Singapore), Japanese, Taiwanese, actually from my experiance have a good understanding, and a much loved fasination with medieval Europe.
Koreans are a majority Christian population, so even their religon is based in European history.

But, simply dismissing yellow knight, and then abusing him for the sake of his opinion, which are the actions of a child that has a closed mind, and igonrant of the facts.
Espeically those that belittle others for putting forward a different idea, (The "Thought Police", use abuse to keep others from voicing concern or differences).
You could have discussed it, and rationilsed it, but you choose to abuse him. Something that is against the code of conduct of these boards as breeching the terms.


Quote[/b] ]Code of Conduct.
knowingly false and/or defamatory, abusive, vulgar, hateful, harassing, obscene, profane.
Any kind of "flaming", slurs or insults adressed to an individual or a group is extremely inappropriate. Please respect etiquette at all times.



Quote[/b] ]originally by ToranagaSama
1. Guess you don't know many people and don't have any friends.

2. You disgust me, as do all narrow-minded humans

3. Infukincredible

4. Either you are a thief or warez freak


Whos the Child?


fenir http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif
PS: the fact that didn't put a "No" in the poll suggests that you lack the insight to think ahead. Much the same as the child you accuse yellow Knight of being.

[Knight_Yellow]

TS
now i realy cant be bothered arguing with sum1 who just dismisses everything they dont agree with, but put it this way i will sleep easy tonight cos i know that ca wouldnt do a rehash of a game they have already released, it makes way more sence to expand the series into a new time like the romans or even napoleonic times.
but since u will probably just dismiss this as "twisted" or "pointless" etc. i will vow never to post in a topic in witch if u dont agree with the topic starter ur post is ridiculed.
and i aint dismissing ur point im just saying in my opinion a rehash of an already done idea is not worth it when u could expand the series.
Kudos to fenrir http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Dr_No]

HELL YEAH
i'd pay mega bucks to play shogun and MTW and renaissance and ancient rome on one giant map and timeframe with a gazillion faction choices... man it would take a lifetime to play the game and super computer to run it.... bring it on... let us loose all our friends social life and skills and become the ultimate world dominators

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 10 2002,06:22)]
Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Dec. 06 2002,23:28)]
Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 06 2002,01:18)]How come you dont give a choice of something like "no, I prefer any future add-on to be european medieval"?
Cause I ain't interested in THAT

Create your own damn poll, whydontcha http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

Toranaga-Sama is a Samurai with his Bow, perfectly created Katana embuing the sole of the Samurai, and his dedication to The Way, Toranaga would defeat any Gaijin stuffed in a can, "winched" atop an oversized horse too big and slow for any other use except plowing fields. A Gaijin who couldn't even get up if he feel to ground and would probably DROWN if he fell in a pool of water. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Toranaga laughs at the thought....

Create your own damn poll, whydontcha http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif



[For the uninitiated, TS is jokingly serious, don't get your panties in a bunch]
Well I was only interested in improving diplomacy when I posted a poll about what do forum members want in a future add-on. With your way of thinking I should have made it like this:

Which aspect of MTW would you like to get improved/ added in a future add-on?

Poll choices:
1. Diplomacy
2. Diplomacy
or
3. Diplomacy?

Maybe you thought that giving no option for someone to vote "no, I don't like one" you would force the members to vote in such way that the poll would create a false image of ppl wanting to go back to STW.
Ok, I will make a poll.
[Ktonos is jokingly serious too]

Quote:
"What do you think Medieval is, but Shogun with "new" features"

I'd rather say that Shogun was the demo for Medieval.
This is ridiculous

First, Dude, you don't want it? Simple, don't VOTE Get it?

Second, if you read the thread, you would have gleaned that I did not fully comprehend the polling "system"; there is scant instruction, no example(s) and no preview. So, the above is the result. Now, if you can't comprehend THAT, please don't let me tell you what you can do (Tired of this BS. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif ) The poll serves MY purpose and reflects MY perspective, NOT anyone elses.

What's MY perspective?

I am ONLY interested in people that want such, and wondered how much they'd be willing to pay. Totally positive in perspective.

People who DON'T want it, guess what?

I don't give a DAMN and am not interested in hearing from you. (At least not on whether you can cast your NO vote, who cares, its stupid.)

My Poll, My Perspective, and anyone with a problem can meet me after school. Me and my friend Louisville Slugger will be happy to discuss it.

Re Diplomacy, you can do your poll however you want, it doesn't matter to me. If "I" want something different I'll do it.

Actually. I though the poll would provide a Yes/No choice, which it does not. Check this dopey, if I could, I'd change the poll by omitting the first choice which is redundant.

So, the poll would have been:

How much would you pay for a STW/MTW combo:

$20
$30
$40

How do you like that? Again, NOT interested in the negative Want to pay less than $20, don't care not interested. Want to pay $0, don't care not interested. Don't want it? Don't care, not interested.

The above Poll would serve the purpose of indicating interest in the Combo, and gauge the interest as well. Anyone of intelligence could view the poll and discern the results. Given, "some" 17 year olds might have a problem, but didn't give it a thought; don't care, not interested.:joker:


Quote[/b] ]Maybe you thought that giving no option for someone to vote "no, I don't like one" you would force the members to vote in such way that the poll would create a false image of ppl wanting to go back to STW

Indicative of a mindset so simplistic as to be insulting. Believe me if such were my purpose YOU wouldn't even know it had happened. Manipulation is a skillset and artform.

END SUBJECT


Quote[/b] ]...I'd rather say that Shogun was the demo for Medieval

You can say what you wish, reality is existant despite your druthers.


Quote[/b] ]...pl wanting to go back to STW

Your perspective appears so negative. I see it as going FORWARD with STW

[Knight_Yellow]

yeah well in will laugh when a moderator looks at ur posts i this cos ur gonna probably get banned or at least an official warning due to the ignorance and general distastefulness of them.

i got a warning for mutch less than what u have inlcuded in ur posts.
try not to be so ignorant of other peoples veiws and instead of me reading sum stupid typing lessons page, u should maybe read the rules of the forum.

[GameDesigner]

I'd have to vote no altogether. I thought STW was a cool game but I'm not that interested in fuedal Japan. I'd rather see the series go somewhere new. Ancient Greece and/or Rome would be my vote.

[Ktonos]

Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Dec. 11 2002,00:56)]
Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 10 2002,06:22)]
Quote[/b] (ToranagaSama @ Dec. 06 2002,23:28)]
Quote[/b] (Ktonos @ Dec. 06 2002,01:18)]How come you dont give a choice of something like "no, I prefer any future add-on to be european medieval"?
Cause I ain't interested in THAT

Create your own damn poll, whydontcha http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

Toranaga-Sama is a Samurai with his Bow, perfectly created Katana embuing the sole of the Samurai, and his dedication to The Way, Toranaga would defeat any Gaijin stuffed in a can, "winched" atop an oversized horse too big and slow for any other use except plowing fields. A Gaijin who couldn't even get up if he feel to ground and would probably DROWN if he fell in a pool of water. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Toranaga laughs at the thought....

Create your own damn poll, whydontcha http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif



[For the uninitiated, TS is jokingly serious, don't get your panties in a bunch]
Well I was only interested in improving diplomacy when I posted a poll about what do forum members want in a future add-on. With your way of thinking I should have made it like this:

Which aspect of MTW would you like to get improved/ added in a future add-on?

Poll choices:
1. Diplomacy
2. Diplomacy
or
3. Diplomacy?

Maybe you thought that giving no option for someone to vote "no, I don't like one" you would force the members to vote in such way that the poll would create a false image of ppl wanting to go back to STW.
Ok, I will make a poll.
[Ktonos is jokingly serious too]

Quote:
"What do you think Medieval is, but Shogun with "new" features"

I'd rather say that Shogun was the demo for Medieval.
This is ridiculous

First, Dude, you don't want it? Simple, don't VOTE Get it?

Second, if you read the thread, you would have gleaned that I did not fully comprehend the polling "system"; there is scant instruction, no example(s) and no preview. So, the above is the result. Now, if you can't comprehend THAT, please don't let me tell you what you can do (Tired of this BS. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif ) The poll serves MY purpose and reflects MY perspective, NOT anyone elses.

What's MY perspective?

I am ONLY interested in people that want such, and wondered how much they'd be willing to pay. Totally positive in perspective.

People who DON'T want it, guess what?

I don't give a DAMN and am not interested in hearing from you. (At least not on whether you can cast your NO vote, who cares, its stupid.)

My Poll, My Perspective, and anyone with a problem can meet me after school. Me and my friend Louisville Slugger will be happy to discuss it.

Re Diplomacy, you can do your poll however you want, it doesn't matter to me. If "I" want something different I'll do it.

Actually. I though the poll would provide a Yes/No choice, which it does not. Check this dopey, if I could, I'd change the poll by omitting the first choice which is redundant.

So, the poll would have been:

How much would you pay for a STW/MTW combo:

$20
$30
$40

How do you like that? Again, NOT interested in the negative Want to pay less than $20, don't care not interested. Want to pay $0, don't care not interested. Don't want it? Don't care, not interested.

The above Poll would serve the purpose of indicating interest in the Combo, and gauge the interest as well. Anyone of intelligence could view the poll and discern the results. Given, "some" 17 year olds might have a problem, but didn't give it a thought; don't care, not interested.:joker:


Quote[/b] ]Maybe you thought that giving no option for someone to vote "no, I don't like one" you would force the members to vote in such way that the poll would create a false image of ppl wanting to go back to STW

Indicative of a mindset so simplistic as to be insulting. Believe me if such were my purpose YOU wouldn't even know it had happened. Manipulation is a skillset and artform.

END SUBJECT


Quote[/b] ]...I'd rather say that Shogun was the demo for Medieval

You can say what you wish, reality is existant despite your druthers.


Quote[/b] ]...pl wanting to go back to STW

Your perspective appears so negative. I see it as going FORWARD with STW
TS, you must understand that you are not a Samurai...but I am Spartan for sure...

I must say two words in responce to the Shogun add-on you demand...

Μolon Lave

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Dec. 10 2002,11:38)]TS
now i realy cant be bothered arguing with sum1 who just dismisses everything they dont agree with, but put it this way i will sleep easy tonight cos i know that ca wouldnt do a rehash of a game they have already released, it makes way more sence to expand the series into a new time like the romans or even napoleonic times.
but since u will probably just dismiss this as "twisted" or "pointless" etc. i will vow never to post in a topic in witch if u dont agree with the topic starter ur post is ridiculed.
and i aint dismissing ur point im just saying in my opinion a rehash of an already done idea is not worth it when u could expand the series.
Kudos to fenrir http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Dude, I just what to clear things up for you.

Please, take a little time and re-read this thread carefully.

My comments to you had little in direct regard to your opinion upon STW/MTW, BUT, rather to your statements regarding (and paraphrasing):

1) You don't know "any1" who pays for Add-Ons/Upgrades.

Follow the logic, first, certain facts, virtually EVERY "successful" game has a Add-On/Upgrade. From Quake to Civilization, Starcraft to Europa Universalis. All games have them To Legally play these games, one MUST pay for them.

Consequently, if you state, that YOU don't "pay" for them, nor does "any1 you know", there are conclusions to be drawn from your statement:

a) You and the people you know, must, in some way, STEAL the Add-Ons/Upgrades.

b) In the alternative, since all games have them and you did NOT state that you didn't "play" them simply and emphatically that you don't "pay" for them, consequently, if you do not STEAL them, then you must not know anyone and have no friends. Get it? (Its simply a matter of logic and reasoning.)

2) You don't PAY for the games you play. You purchase them, copy them and return the original, presumably receiving a refund while enjoying the game, THIS GAME, for free ADMITEDLY, in essence, YOU are STEALING from Creative Assembly/Activision/and your local game store

3) You speak, but know NOTHING about which you speak. Namely, warez, in which there are NO "Pop-Up" ads W-H-A-T, are you talking about?? Plainly, your words belie the fact that you do no know what warez is.

4) You speak, but exhibit an inability to follow the logic in your sentences, nor of owning your words. You plainly and strongly imply that people are ONLY interested in games of their "Home Territory". I refute the logic of your statement, by citing that if such were so, Shogun would have failed; it did not. There is a consequence to logic and it must be proved. (Unless, you are an advanced student, they haven't taught you this yet.) You have yet to reply to the illogic of your statement.

5) You fail to aid the reader in comprehending your comments, by choosing not to Capitalize your sentences; choosing not to spell your words properly; and you fail to paragrahize your writing appropriately for Internet reading.

So you see, it has LITTLE to do with your "opinion" and MUCH to do with YOU and the manner in which you conduct and present yourself.

Now, if you wish to respond, please do so point-by-point, as above. If you choose to do so intelligently, I may respond. If you choose not to, or un-intelligently, I will not.

I intended to end this subject, but to be honest your comments caught me on a bad day. Right and appropriate as my comments were, considering your youth, I feel I would be "personally" remiss if I did not attempt to salvage this thread to some useful and beneficial purpose.


[Toranaga-Sama, gathers his lordly self and returns to normal. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif ]

Ktonos, lest you think you've been overlooked, I will be with you shortly.... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif

[TheViking]

here here

i would pay double the normal prize for next addon or next game.

Im just disapointed how CA, IMO, failed with MTW. But still i think its a good game. And with fail i mean that its not even as half as good as STW, but then again what game are hehehe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

next TW game should be STW2. And for you who dont think people will pay for a thing they already have done, i can only say this, you bout STW and MI/WE and now you got MTW its all pritty much the same game.

For you who dont have the first games get them you cant be a real warlord without being a shogun first hahaha http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[solypsist]

let's cut down on the sarcasm and try to get this back on track, else there'll be some punishment administered.
nothing is accomplished by pickng someones post apart, using sophistry and semantics. a discussion is a debate on the substance of the subject.
so get back on the subject, plz

[Knight_Yellow]

Yeah but u know what when i said i couldnt be bothered arguing with u, u must have thought that meant plz argue with me.
LOL
CA's job is not to make addons for things they have already moved away from, it is to make a PROFIT and the only way to do so is to expand mtw with an upgrade or move onto a new timeline ie. romans etc.
and would u stop acuusing me of stealing add ons since i did pay for them but usualy an addon is completed so quikly and delivers so little that i do not feel it justifies the price tag. so i do not buy addons any more and neither do my freinds however when the viking addon cums out i think i shall buy it to give it a try, but none so far have lived up to the standards i set.
"u must be a warez freak" why r ppl who use warez freaks exactly and "ur point is totaly twisted DUDE" no it wasnt u retyped it wrong so i suggest that u go and learn to type at those links u oh so conviently had ready to slag me with.
and if ur gonna try to slag sum1 try to back up what ur saying otherwise u leave urself open to ridicule.

now lets just agree to disagree and end this bickering?
http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Dec. 07 2002,11:44)]Funnily enough ive tried warez but with no success lets just say too many porn adverts popped up while trying to download the games i got distracted. and i got plenty of friends its just that if i can buy a game copy it and then get my money back then why not?
i wouldnt have done that for mtw though as i like mp in it and i only copy sp games like max payne and tropico etc. sorry but i just dont think that shogun with mtw features would do the license justice, its only an opinion and u dont have to agree with it but saying its twisted and generaly pointless is a bit harsh. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
Your comments are without intelligence and devoid of integrity, consquently I dismiss you entirely.

Lastly, please read your words carefully:


Quote[/b] ]...its just that if i can buy a game copy it and then get my money back then why not?
i wouldnt have done that for mtw though as i like mp in it and i only copy sp games like max payne and tropico etc.

YOU, dear child are a thief

END SUBJECT.

[Knight_Yellow]

No theivery is when i would nick a copy from the shop, u r allowed to copy games for ur own use but when i take them back the store does not also want a copied cd, so i keep it, not every1 has lots of money to go around buying every game so i buy a game if i like it keep it if not take it back so that i still have 35 pounds, nothing wrong with it and if there was then i would be arrested cos the ppl who work in the store know im copying the games they dont care so i dont care.
ur one to talk about intelligence. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
u cant even prove a "child" wrong and by even arguing with me u show just how immature u r. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
but seriously though i offered to stop bickering and u threw it back in my face how very "child like of u"
so stop arguing with a child and go to getalife.com (http://www.getalife.com)

[solypsist]

alright kiddies, I'll refrain from issuing warnings and instead just close this thread. but if the bad-feelings carry over into other threads, expect to be warned with consequences.