Bonus for units joining melees?

[NinjaKilla]

Does a second rank unit still get the regular charge bonus when it charges into a melee where the engaged first rank unit is in its way?

I tried to make that as simple as possible, but it's as clear as mud. I'll give you an example:

If you soak up an enemy monk charge with Yari Samurai, will No-Dachi directly behind the YS still get the regular charge bonus when they join the melee?

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[Shiro]

Hmmm...rather a simple question that deserves either a "yes" or "no."

However, I'm not sure which is correct. Both ways of developing the game make sense to me. If they don't get a charge bonus, it's because of the fact that they aren't taking as big of a risk and the enemy is already engaged. If they do, it's because a charge is always a charge. Maybe someone else as the answer?

[This message has been edited by Shiro (edited 07-26-2001).]

[NinjaKilla]

I don't know if we're on the same lines ... do they still get a charge bonus because they are charging the enemy, or are they just simply piled in behind the engaged YS and treated as if they were already in combat because friendly troops soaked up their charge?

Still about as clear as mud!

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[Shiro]

No, I understand the question. I just don't know. Ignore my rambling in the earlier thread. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/smile.gif

[This message has been edited by Shiro (edited 07-26-2001).]

[NinjaKilla]

Sorry to bump this up, but does anyone have a clue?

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[Sengoku]

I am inclined to think that their charge is absorbed by the friendly troops, but only because they appear to slow down when running into the first ranks. I think you only get the charge bonus when the enemy troops are exposed. I would run your no-dachi into the enemy rear just to be on the safe side.

[Steeleye]

Also, running your glory boys into the backs of your yari sam's gets them all muddled, unforms their formation and gives them a morale penalty - so only do it if they're really getting tanked.

Span

[theforce]

Always try having them behind your first line. This gives a morale boost to the units who are already fighting. Getting fresh units in the battle when the enemy is tired gives a huge morale penatly for the enemy and sometimes they run when they see other units coming to fight. Well why pilling up your men when you can flank? :P

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[Anssi Hakkinen]

My 2 koku: they do get the charge bonus, since the sprites look like they're "in charge mode" (ND hold their swords up, etc). However, the attack as a whole is still less effective, because whatever formation the charging unit is maintaining will get thoroughly messed up when they have to make their way through the first-line friendly unit, resulting in a penalty.

Of course, trusting my judgement in these things is akin to charging a YC uphill against an entrenched YS in a forest. http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/tongue.gif

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[HATAMOTOKILL]

I think not!they just give the unit engaged a morale boost! http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/eek.gif

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[BanzaiZAP]

Here's how it looks to me:

The unit in front gets a morale boost for a unit of friendlies at their backs. The Charging Bonus is applied to each soldier when he engages the enemy soldier. If that individual guy is till running when he hits the enemy, then he gets the bonus. If he has to stop running (a friendly steps in the way) then he loses the bonus. So if a gap appears in the line, then any soldier hitting that gap gets to use the bonus.

So morale affects the whole unit, but actual combat modifiers (to-hit and damage, to use Gaming terms) are applied individually, per situation.

-- B)

[HATAMOTOKILL]

spot on zap!!!
well explained but simple http://www.totalwar.org/ubb/wink.gif

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[NinjaKilla]

Sounds good to me Zap. Thanx for the input. folks.

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