UH-OH, no sons. Help!

[Exile]

My second generation Byz king died a bit young and the eldest son took over the kingship at about 50 years old. His only brother had died in an auto calc battle http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif, I didn't even notice until now because at the time there were many uncle-heirs..well not anymore.

I diplomatically married the new king years ago, but it seems he has only daughters He finally had a son at age 56, but I doubt he will live long enough for that son to reach maturity.

This situation is quite ironic since my faction is otherwise in a very strong position. Thus I was distracted from my royal lineage by putting down my enenies and building trade, etc. What should I do?

1. incite a civil war now? tough because loyalties are very high.
2. be cheap and save the game every year and re-load as necessary until my king lives long enough for the single heir to mature - I can't remember ever having a King live to 72.
3. wait and see what happens when the king dies: I will either be eliminated or have a civil war. It would help greatly if I knew which http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
4. something else I haven't thought of...

There's plenty of powerful royal blood uncles (non-heirs) from the second generation, all with very high loyalty of course.

[Stormer]

Well sounds to me that civil war is unlikey.
so if you think there is no chance thats he will have a son reach 15 then i would resart the game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif unfortnely this has happens to be alot too its stupid i know i really hope they didnt try make the game end up that way http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif. but nm gl with your campagin anyway.

[rasoforos]

well many kings live to be above 70 , so do not give up....i had one who died at 86 once...

[Kensai Achilles]

I've had that experience often.... don't worry it will say that the king will marry a local autocrat's daughter when it's urgent to get an heir

[MonkeyMan]

It's a strage thing, but if you have a decent heir already and your current king is 60 or so, even if he is the best king ever - kill him, because his son will have a better chance of getting his own son. I've done it quite a few times and no doubt avoided a few civil wars because of it. To be fair of course the idea of someone living past 60 in those days even if they were king was a rare thing indeed. So don't be afraid it's the best thing for him.

[Stormer]

i just rembered i heard something a while back saying if your king goes on a never ending crusade then he doesnt die on the crusade so just leave crusade in a proveice but your the byz faction so no crusades. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif

[MonkeyMan]

Quote[/b] (Stormer @ Dec. 23 2002,23:16)]i just rembered i heard something a while back saying if your king goes on a never ending crusade then he doesnt die on the crusade so just leave crusade in a proveice but your the byz faction so no crusades. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
This certainly worked pre patch, I'm yet to try it afterwards. Remember however that this lack of contact with your king could make your empire ungovernable and actually turn out worse than the civil war you were trying to avoid.

[MonkeyMan]

Quote[/b] (Kensai Achilles @ Dec. 23 2002,22:46)]I've had that experience often.... don't worry it will say that the king will marry a local autocrat's daughter when it's urgent to get an heir
autocrat aristocrat? heh same thing.

Anyhow yes, but marrying before coming to the throne gives a better chance of aged heirs on coming to the throne, i.e. sometimes your heir will have 1-2 underage heirs when coming to the throne, marring to a foreign princess increases this possability.

[Al Qasim Hussein]

I hope someone has an answer to my problem too. I'm the HRE and my Emperor (Hermann the Great, I called him...sniff sniff http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif )died the YEAR BEFORE his only remaining son came of age. Fortunately, the HRE elects a new emperor so I have one Emperor Otto on the throne. He's super virile. Lots of sons and daughters and whatnot. The original heir (Lothair) came of age the year Otto got elected and is now the designated heir to Otto...but is older than him Weird huh? But here's the problem...no one will marry my boys as I'm way too powerful and tend to have kicked everyone's butt at least once. However...old Hermann left behind a couple of daughters. THey're not TECHNICALLY related to the new heirs that Otto has spawned, since they're Hermann's kids, so can I marry them to Otto's kids without repercussion? Or will the fact that everyone is listed as royal cause the game to ignore the fact they aren't blood relations and give me inbreeding probs?

Does any of that make sense? Let me diagram it for you:

Hermann Otto
\ \ \
Lothair daughter + son
\
retard?

[MonkeyMan]

Don't do it my friend

He will have inbred kids, marrying princesses is highly overrated. Contrary to popular belief marrying princesses does NOT produce better heirs. It is simply a diplomatic way to get alliances with a better chance of being accepted. THE only advantage gained as I mentioned is to get ready made heirs when becoming king. My advice is to ignore it, 100 years or so into the game everytone will hate you so much you won't get marriages, so carry on with conquering the world and ignore this. They'll have to marry your sons when you subdjagate them and force them to kiss your royal ****. Enjoy my friend and may you save many a helpless virgin from the evil dragon http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Kensai Achilles]

this is my first silly post, but can't help it.... u tried viagra for your old king?

[HopAlongBunny]

If you have an heir that is too young, sometimes the game will have someone rule in his stead 'til he's old enough. Had it happen once...also had the game end under exactly the same circumstances once http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Good Luck http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pat.gif

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (MonkeyMan @ Dec. 23 2002,19:00)]It's a strage thing, but if you have a decent heir already and your current king is 60 or so, even if he is the best king ever - kill him, because his son will have a better chance of getting his own son. I've done it quite a few times and no doubt avoided a few civil wars because of it. To be fair of course the idea of someone living past 60 in those days even if they were king was a rare thing indeed. So don't be afraid it's the best thing for him.
You sorta responded to the above yourself, but there's no need to kill your king (imo, ever). Simply marry your princes early and they will start having heirs even before one inherits the throne. I do this and my King's heir will usually already have a couple of heirs of his own upon ascending the throne.

[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Al Qasim Hussein @ Dec. 23 2002,19:33)]I hope someone has an answer to my problem too. I'm the HRE and my Emperor (Hermann the Great, I called him...sniff sniff http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif )died the YEAR BEFORE his only remaining son came of age. Fortunately, the HRE elects a new emperor so I have one Emperor Otto on the throne. He's super virile. Lots of sons and daughters and whatnot. The original heir (Lothair) came of age the year Otto got elected and is now the designated heir to Otto...but is older than him Weird huh? But here's the problem...no one will marry my boys as I'm way too powerful and tend to have kicked everyone's butt at least once. However...old Hermann left behind a couple of daughters. THey're not TECHNICALLY related to the new heirs that Otto has spawned, since they're Hermann's kids, so can I marry them to Otto's kids without repercussion? Or will the fact that everyone is listed as royal cause the game to ignore the fact they aren't blood relations and give me inbreeding probs?

Does any of that make sense? Let me diagram it for you:

Hermann Otto
\ \ \
Lothair daughter + son
\
retard?
Hmmm....this is a little interesting. So Lothair who is older is the heir AND since he's not the king, isn't he immortal until he become king? Interesting

In any event, I guess you'll just have to wait the situation out. Eventually, the King will die, Lothair will inherit and die (I wonder if you'll have a civil war when Lothair inherits?), and then one of your boys will ascend and the game will marrying him off. Just hope he'll produce a heir asap; and will live to his maturity. If not then I guess you'll have a civil war on hand.

Please don't resort to cheesy tactics http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif , like killing your king in order to alter the situation, play it out. Keeps the game interesting don't you think?

[Al Qasim Hussein]

Oh, I'll definitely not kill my King This is too wild a situation to not let it play out to its unforseeable conclusion. I just wish that Otto (the current emperor) was just kind of a Regent so that when Lothair had come of age Lothair would be Emperor and Otto could go back to managing Ireland or whatever he was doing. The HRE system really allows for that, but instead just uses elections and produces a whole new royal line.

But, to answer your post ToranagaSama, Otto did not have an age before he was elected emperor, he wasn't even royal (although I think he was married to one of the old Emp's daughters...), so upon election he became 24 or something like that. I checked my game when I got home last night and Lothair is ACTUALLY about eight years younger. I suspect he'll reign a handful of years (if that&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif after Otto dies and then Friedrich, who is eighteen years younger than Lothair, and is the son of Otto, will take over. Woe to the 20th century historians who would have to sort this out in my game world http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif