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2 Scum: Beskar (been there), BSmith (lurking, jumps in on low-effort bandwagon --> bsmith is mafia)
Nope. I was offline this weekend and didn’t want to give a throw away vote this morning. I also thought there was less time left in the day. As scum I will shy away from making a decisive vote. I do feel that you and Beskar are both town. (and really, what are the chances you rand scum three times in a row?)
GeneralHankerchief
03-14-2016, 21:49
(and really, what are the chances you rand scum three times in a row?)
Since we're not taking odds at the start of the three-game stretch but rather 2/3 of the way through it, his chances are precisely the same as his chances of being scum in one game.
The D1 argument mostly revolving around Winston and Barto. Seemed like town vs. town.
So... winston? At that point why bother to say "anyone"? And to be so sure of it.
Also why do you have Winston as lock town? Because of the Barto nightkill?
His behavior mostly, though the barto kill is a factor. What do you think about that kill choice? I don't see any other explanation than what I have proposed.
FWIW I have both you and Beskar as likely town, with you as slightly more likely. You made a decent case against him yesterday but Beskar's behavior does seem to be in line with how he usually plays as town - most notably publicly appearing as in the know and also claiming certain predictions of his were correct when said predictions were never made in the thread.
How would he act differently if he were mafia?
Nope. I was offline this weekend and didn’t want to give a throw away vote this morning. I also thought there was less time left in the day. As scum I will shy away from making a decisive vote. I do feel that you and Beskar are both town. (and really, what are the chances you rand scum three times in a row?)
Why Beskar town?
It wouldn't be in a row, fwiw. Barto's game here and the two mini games on CFC I was town.
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GH and BSmith, who do you actually suspect?
Winston Hughes
03-14-2016, 22:18
Also why do you have Winston as lock town?
Because he's scum.
But you already knew that, didn't you?
GeneralHankerchief
03-14-2016, 22:39
So... winston? At that point why bother to say "anyone"? And to be so sure of it.
I thought there was a third person siding with one of the two. Might've even been you.
What do you think about that kill choice? I don't see any other explanation than what I have proposed.
Bit odd, but I generally think devoting attention to making anything out of kill choices is a waste of time, especially this early on in the game. Endgame, fine, but not now.
How would he act differently if he were mafia?
Less like that? :laugh4:
GH and BSmith, who do you actually suspect?
I did suspect Al Sips until about two hours ago when Pizza posted the lynch. Beyond that I think our scum is some combination of BSmith, one or two of our inactive players, and maybe atheotes.
Less like that? :laugh4:
Very obvious, but yes, you are correct with that GH.
Winston Hughes
03-14-2016, 23:03
I think our scum is some combination of BSmith, one or two of our inactive players, and maybe atheotes.
I think our scum is some combination of you, Zack and Beskar.
GeneralHankerchief
03-14-2016, 23:05
Zack/Beskar scum combo would be interesting. Wonder if they're the type to bus each other that hard, this early.
Zack/Beskar scum combo would be interesting. Wonder if they're the type to bus each other that hard, this early.
If it was true, I would use my night kill on Zack at this point (even if he was my 'partner'). Now, I can only pray for such an outcome.
GeneralHankerchief
03-14-2016, 23:19
Is that even allowed?
And why bring up an unnecessary WIFOM?
Is that even allowed?
I would actually be surprised if it would ever be allowed in a mafia game. Would only work if there were different factions.
Is that even allowed?
And why bring up an unnecessary WIFOM?
I've done it before. Well, kind of. It was a cult. And a personal daykill ability with limited uses.
If it was true, I would use my night kill on Zack at this point (even if he was my 'partner'). Now, I can only pray for such an outcome.
what would possess you to even say such a thing, it doesn't make sense from any perspective
Winston Hughes
03-15-2016, 20:16
Am I dead yet?
are we bird, or are we dancer?
what would possess you to even say such a thing, it doesn't make sense from any perspective
Admittedly, it was to try stop a possible night kill on myself. :laugh4:
thought you wanted to die to prove all your reads correct?
Unfortunately, they are not correct. There were a couple of factors I failed to involve which GH corrected me of. I would like to try another re-read in the future, just for ego-sake. So dying wouldn't show much at this point, and getting wrong reads means it would put weight into my reads, which would be advantageous to the scum (thus, saying this now to dispel that reasoning if I die).
Though in a "before I die" moment, some of my early game discussion about the cat was confusion on my part, as I thought the cat was the mafia, then at the 2nd night kill, I realised there is no cat involvement in it, but another bird and re-read the first night kill, thus 'change of tone'.
Askthepizzaguy
03-16-2016, 16:21
End of Night Three
Bird is a very curious and courageous bird. Bird has no fear of humans, for example. And Bird had never even met a feline.
So you can imagine how Bird was feeling when Bird saw something approach that night.
First Bird let out very friendly greeting honk. But there was no reply.
Bird waddled right up to this new friend, tiny wings outstretched.
And Bird is very popular in entire world. Bird is even major Hollywood movie star. One of cutest Birds of all. In Antarctica, Bird commands respect and admiration. Bird pretty much own the land and the sea. You see, in Antarctica, Bird has no natural predators.
But Bird not in Antarctica anymore, is Bird?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image007_zpsokfbomkw.png
Bird was shot so much, Bird now unrecognizable.
Alive and predatorial birds:
Kiwikhaan
BirdSmith
Resplendent quetzack
Pelican
edseedsnipe
Winstone-curlew
General Hawkerchief
Besrakar
Doubleday's hummingbird
Dead:
Pigeon - narrator
Emu- Sooh
Turtle Dove- Autolycus
Turtle Dove- Jolt
Greater sage-grouse- El Barto
Flightless Cormorant- Al Sipsclar
Penguin- atheotes
BEGIN DAY FOUR!
Askthepizzaguy
03-16-2016, 16:22
Countdown to End of Day Four
End of Day Four
why is winston still alive?
why is winston still alive?
Why was atheotes killed of all people?
Being honest, I was expecting it to be me or you. For that whole "Beskar is scum!" "Zack is scum!" routine for the round.
I don't think it is Double A or Pelican, far too inactive. Plus, if it was them, and it was random night kills, then I think post-game, birds win by default in my book. :laugh4:
GeneralHankerchief
03-16-2016, 19:20
I don't think it is Double A or Pelican, far too inactive.
I agree in that it's probably not both of them, but it could be one of them and then somebody more active.
GeneralHankerchief
03-16-2016, 19:23
Vote: khaan
GeneralHankerchief
03-16-2016, 19:30
Zack why do you have khaan listed as lean town in your reads post from last page?
I think it's weird you would insist pelican/aa are town when the kills seem pretty random to me
Zack why do you have khaan listed as lean town in your reads post from last page?
idk seems similar to how he played in mafia v cult. I haven't done a thorough analysis or anything
Vote: khaan
Why 'khaan? Not that I disagree, I have a gut feeling on him, but I am interested in your reasoning.
Either way, he should speak up. vote: 'khaan.
I think it's weird you would insist pelican/aa are town when the kills seem pretty random to me
Because if it is random kills due to inactivity, I fundamentally disagree with that concept. No point trying to lynch people who are not even going to read the thread, regardless of random kills or not, it simply isn't fun.
idk seems similar to how he played in mafia v cult. I haven't done a thorough analysis or anything
He was more active in that game as town. He is more similar to Rise of the Snake Cult where he plays more inactively as Mafia.
GeneralHankerchief
03-16-2016, 20:19
No reason, it's a prod on him more than anything else. But out of our lesser posters I think he's the most likely to respond to it.
Winston Hughes
03-16-2016, 20:50
vote: Zack
Should have killed me.
Winston Hughes
03-16-2016, 20:58
GH and Beskar his partners.
GeneralHankerchief
03-16-2016, 21:07
So of the four most active people in the game, three of them are allied against the last one?
Winston Hughes
03-16-2016, 21:09
Yup.
Winston Hughes
03-16-2016, 21:12
Don't worry, though. The chances of anyone believing me are minimal. Game's close to locked for you at this stage.
Kiwikhaan – Nothing specific in thread, but I do find Beskar’s analysis on his playstyle intriguing. Would like to know more about why others are voting for him today though.
BirdSmith – 100% lock clear – at least from my perspective. :yes:
Resplendent quetzack – The whole beskar v. zack spat still has the air of town v. town, but after a re-read of the thread there are some things that rub me wronger about zack – mainly that the reactions seem a little overdone. Zack is known to get righteous at times and take easy offence to the “wrong” reasons to suspect him, but he seems a little over the top. That and the several joking type references about being scum* (or that are certainly borderline and would be the type of thing a confident scummer would post as a taunt) lend me to double think my earlier town reading on Zack.
Pelican – frankly I’ve got nothing one way or the other on Pelican.
edseedsnipe – Same with pelican. Mainly tallies and one funny post in response to Winston being tired. No real read here either.
Winstone-curlew – I actually feel Winston is town, mainly because of the tone of his posting – it seems carefree and unforced. Like someone who doesn’t have a lot of time, doesn’t really care about how he comes across, and is just having fun. None of these are particularly scummy traits.
General Hawkerchief – Active in the discussions, seems to be positively contributing and encouraging discussion. Yet for all of that I don’t have a lean one way or the other. I can see him going either way. I do feel that he is being up front about his perspectives on other player’s posting styles and habits.
Besrakar – As I described above, I get a town vibe from Beskar. Large part of this though is GH’s “vouching” for his playstyle. More comfortable coming to terms with him being town vs. zack as described above.
Doubleday's hummingbird – No real read one way or the other with AA either.
Bottom line – I am leaning Zack or Khaan, but I am certainly open to persuasion either way.
Also – is the day really only 24 hours?
*Examples of Zack posts that could be hidden in plain sight references:
0 gold says it's not.
Instead of choosing one of the bandwagons, I think I'll just keep my throwaway vote on GH for now. This does not make scum. In fact, this is so transparently scummy, the only reasonable conclusion is that I must be town. QED.
GeneralHankerchief
03-16-2016, 21:39
This seems like you're deliberately holding back from committing. Two people have voted khaan for so far and we've both followed it up with reasons.
This seems like you're deliberately holding back from committing. Two people have voted khaan for so far and we've both followed it up with reasons.
…and those reasons are “no reason” and “gut feeling”. Both about as thin as one can go and even attempt to call it a reason.
I am holding back because I don’t have a strong feeling in any particular direction, save perhaps away from Winston and Beskar – but to be honest if a compelling case was to be made on one them I’d at least consider it. I lean harder towards Khaan and Zack as I described above. I don’t see a need at this time to add another vote to the Khaan wagon and I’m still on the fence about Zack. So yeah. Other than putting a random vote on someone else in an attempt to “pressure” them I don’t have many good options. I’d rather hold back and see how the conversation develops before formally putting in a vote. But it is not like you don’t know what I am currently thinking about everyone.
Vote: BSmith
Scratch that. No longer on the fence about Vote: Zack
Scratch that. No longer on the fence about Vote: Zack
BSmith is known to get righteous at times and take easy offence to the “wrong” reasons to suspect him, but he seems a little over the top.
:laugh4: Your turn with a bout with Zack, BSmith.
Now I am tired and heading to bed, up at 6am and out all day tomorrow. If there is a new development that I should consider, ping me with with a [.mention]Beskar[./mention] and I will attempt to see it before the round is over.
seireikhaan
03-17-2016, 01:39
Meh. Yeah idk, I've not really had it in me this game, sorry.
Vote: Bsmith For a long-ish post of little real substance that ends with him just waffling and asking people to tell him what to do.
Double A
03-17-2016, 02:16
Time Warner keeps living up to my expectations, so I haven't had stable Internet this week. Sorry Pizzaman.
Anyway, I think Winston's town due to his defeatist mood. Leaning Beskar for scum so vote: Beskar
Kiwikhaan – Nothing specific in thread, but I do find Beskar’s analysis on his playstyle intriguing. Would like to know more about why others are voting for him today though.
keep in mind this is one of bsmith's two strongest reads
a townie sees scum behind every corner. a mafia sees town everywhere. BSmith has decided to make noncommittal accusations against townies while town-reading his teammates. (Assuming khaan is town, because if him and bsmith were partners, bsmith wouldn't hesitate to jump on the wagon to bus him). I assume the reason bsmith isn't voting khaan is because at least one mafia already is (GH and/or Beskar).
Something interesting. Last night GH said:
I did suspect Al Sips until about two hours ago when Pizza posted the lynch. Beyond that I think our scum is some combination of BSmith, one or two of our inactive players, and maybe atheotes.
atheotes shows up dead, and gh places an unexplained vote for khaan (and yes i realize he came in later to say "force divided by area vote" which is the same as admitting there's no reason), who he did not indicate any suspicion towards. Only thing giving me pause is that the whole thing -- calling half the players town and only fingering inactives plus atheotes/bsmith as targets (about as noncontroversial as you could possibly be), then killing atheotes... seems inexplicably lazy/sloppy if he is scum.
BSmith said:
As scum I will shy away from making a decisive vote. I do feel that you and Beskar are both town. (and really, what are the chances you rand scum three times in a row?)
Notice how he has shied away from making a decisive vote today. Also notice how he strongly felt I was town, even throwing in a meaningless statistic to bolster his claim, then comes in today and immediately calls me one of his top two suspects. Quite the turnaround for being based on nothing that happened between those two reads. His reads on gh and beskar are pretty fluffy too. Actually, all his reads are -- the only one he seemed to put any effort into was mine, which is weird for someone he insisted was town more than once yesterday. Almost like he was looking for someone to give him a reason to vote me (which I obliged), and was never truly interested in voting khaan, but he didn't want to be the one to make the big push to save khaan. Look at his khaan read again, he even admits that he has no real reason to suspect him, but still throws him in as a top suspect because that's what impeccable townies gh and beskar are doing (and if him and khaan are partners, voicing suspicion of your teammate without actually voting them is a classic scum tactic, I have a bad habit of using it all the time).
So to conclude, I think BSmith is definitely scum. Likeliest partners are khaan, beskar, inactives... sigh, idk could be anyone really.
Looking at yesterday's wagons:
I still have a bad feeling that Al Sipsclar was a scum-wagon.
Beskar wagon had a dead townie, me (100% town), and winston (my strongest town read other than myself) on it. Coincidence that the al sips wagon was filled with scum and beskar wagon with town? This leading question indicates that isn't the case.
Zack wagon had a dead townie and khaan (winston was the one who drove it however). Think beskar was on it at some point. Definitely less scummy to be on than the al sips one.
Pretty much seems that people jumped on al sips to save beskar. iirc GH prodded beskar to go that direction fwiw.
Missed in the last post - I mentioned that:
voicing suspicion of your teammate without actually voting them is a classic scum tactic, I have a bad habit of using it all the time
but failed to point out that GH voiced suspicion of bsmith (immediately after I had done so) but has not followed it up today, instead going after khaan for some reason and even trying to get bsmith to join him. Weird way to treat your only suspect that isn't inactive.
I was suspicious of BSmith last night, I think Khan is being honest, unvote;vote:BSmith.
(Limited access, at a conference)
GH is generally a hard read and he has been doing the wise sage role in this game. Only times I had a strong scent of scum in the past is when he getting lynched on Day 1 and plays really hardball like in Snake Cult and Subotans China game, both times redirecting lynch on me. :laugh4:
It could be that GH is scum, he does have a key advantage in that scenario to make friends with victimised townies, I've: me and Zack last day phase, which he could use to buy street cred which can be exploited. Who would you rather side with? aggressive Zack, or friendly GH? Also being Gameroom mod, he might go for random kills or go for inactive-ish players like ath, which one of ath's scum tells funnily enough. I am going to lean on him being on the scum side. Also, his vote on Khaan could be to try to direct me down that path, then Khaan comes out as town, he can begin turning votes around on me. Something he is more than capable of doing.
My gut says Khaan is being honest as the usual excuse for inactivity is being busy, Khaan is quite active, and what struck me was that he simply outright said "sorry, I am not into this game" which twigged me as being usual for him, as usually getting called out usually results in a reply defending or accusation.
Going to keep vote on BSmith, were good points raised by Zack and they need addressing.
GeneralHankerchief
03-17-2016, 13:20
I think you're reading into it a little too much. I'm simply calling it as I see it, not trying to collect sympathy favors from people in order to cash in on them later on. I have a town read on Zack right now, but if something changes and I think he's scum later on, I'm not going to keep him alive just because he might be more likely to vote with me. I'm going to try to get him lynched.
What is your thoughts on 'Khaan? He replied and you know him better as a person.
keep in mind this is one of bsmith's two strongest reads
a townie sees scum behind every corner. a mafia sees town everywhere. BSmith has decided to make noncommittal accusations against townies while town-reading his teammates. (Assuming khaan is town, because if him and bsmith were partners, bsmith wouldn't hesitate to jump on the wagon to bus him). I assume the reason bsmith isn't voting khaan is because at least one mafia already is (GH and/or Beskar).
Something interesting. Last night GH said:
atheotes shows up dead, and gh places an unexplained vote for khaan (and yes i realize he came in later to say "force divided by area vote" which is the same as admitting there's no reason), who he did not indicate any suspicion towards. Only thing giving me pause is that the whole thing -- calling half the players town and only fingering inactives plus atheotes/bsmith as targets (about as noncontroversial as you could possibly be), then killing atheotes... seems inexplicably lazy/sloppy if he is scum.
BSmith said:
Notice how he has shied away from making a decisive vote today. Also notice how he strongly felt I was town, even throwing in a meaningless statistic to bolster his claim, then comes in today and immediately calls me one of his top two suspects. Quite the turnaround for being based on nothing that happened between those two reads. His reads on gh and beskar are pretty fluffy too. Actually, all his reads are -- the only one he seemed to put any effort into was mine, which is weird for someone he insisted was town more than once yesterday. Almost like he was looking for someone to give him a reason to vote me (which I obliged), and was never truly interested in voting khaan, but he didn't want to be the one to make the big push to save khaan. Look at his khaan read again, he even admits that he has no real reason to suspect him, but still throws him in as a top suspect because that's what impeccable townies gh and beskar are doing (and if him and khaan are partners, voicing suspicion of your teammate without actually voting them is a classic scum tactic, I have a bad habit of using it all the time).
So to conclude, I think BSmith is definitely scum. Likeliest partners are khaan, beskar, inactives... sigh, idk could be anyone really.
Looking at yesterday's wagons:
I still have a bad feeling that Al Sipsclar was a scum-wagon.
Beskar wagon had a dead townie, me (100% town), and winston (my strongest town read other than myself) on it. Coincidence that the al sips wagon was filled with scum and beskar wagon with town? This leading question indicates that isn't the case.
Zack wagon had a dead townie and khaan (winston was the one who drove it however). Think beskar was on it at some point. Definitely less scummy to be on than the al sips one.
Pretty much seems that people jumped on al sips to save beskar. iirc GH prodded beskar to go that direction fwiw.
To be clear I have made non-committal accusations against everyone except for the two that I explained why I was getting town leans. Everyone else could certainly be scum (hell even those two could be). I am hardly clearing anyone. I am a vanilla townie in a game with no private networking and so far no reveals of any information from any potential power roles and no dead mafia yet. The only thing I have to go off of is the 4 people talking in the thread. Is it any wonder that I have the most to go on with you Zack? You being the highest poster in game means the most material to react to.
I never had you lock town. I said that I felt that the spat between you and Beskar felt like town v. town to me. After re-reading the thread a narrative formed in my mind where you could be scum, and that is what I outlined.
I didn’t accuse Khaan hard. I said I leant towards him being scum mainly on other’s reactions. I also wasn’t fully convinced of my own narrative on you, which is why I held off on voting. It’s not like I wasn’t going to have another chance before the end of day to actually register a vote. It’s also not like I hadn’t just laid out what I was thinking on every single player – an exercise that would be good for everyone to do, by the way.
Literally anyone at this point could be scum but frankly I have nothing solid on anyone.
And come on. When have you known me to be so careless on buddying up to my partners? I am much more likely to bus early and often than to make bold saving moves and buddy-buddy up in thread with my partners.
Your argument against me seems compelling at first blush, but frankly it relies entirely on speculation on your behalf as well as a revisionist perspective on past events to fit that narrative. You take things that happened and extrapolate them to their extremes, or exaggerate the point to inflate your point of view.
It also comes from the conflicting point of view that townies must be decisive with no information yet scum are not with full information. While there are certainly tendencies in reactions by scum on how they handle the information they have, this is certainly never a lock solid case.
To reiterate – I am Vanilla town, and your case against me feels like you are trying to make a specific narrative fit rather than a natural conclusion to the in thread facts.
It would certainly be more helpful if the lower posters started posting more though.
To reiterate – I am Vanilla town, and your case against me feels like you are trying to make a specific narrative fit rather than a natural conclusion to the in thread facts.
I could say the same to you.
I said that I felt that the spat between you and Beskar felt like town v. town to me. After re-reading the thread a narrative formed in my mind where you could be scum, and that is what I outlined.
Yes, but when I did it I wasn't pushing hard for your lynch - merely posting my thoughts about people. Again, this is not a binary situation where I was either fully vouching for your towniness or urgently pushing for your death. I was hoping for some continued discussion on my perspective rather than a "this is my case take it or leave it" type of scenario.
Listen, if you want me to move my vote, you need to convince me there's a better candidate out there. Considering you haven't really pushed anyone except myself for the lynch, you're just defending yourself without presenting a viable alternative, so I'm unconvinced.
Is the day already over?
Vote: BSmith anyway
Just saw, it is over. I don't think your vote changes the outcome anyway, so probably should be okay if Pizza included it (unless it is tied to a special ability).
I am just hoping BSmith turns red (or scum coloured)
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2016, 19:02
Khaan: GH,
Zack: WH, BSmith
BSmith: Zack, Khaan, Beskar
Beskar: AA
Didn't vote (or voted late): Edse, Pelican
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2016, 21:37
Sorry for delay, went away from keyboard for a while. Writeup in progress.
Askthepizzaguy
03-17-2016, 21:47
End of Day Four
Bird was thought to be a cat by other birds. This made Bird sad, so he decided to leave habitat.
Someone really should close gate, thought Bird. Will let Cat out.
Wait, why is Cat in? Bird started flapping wings to get away! But Bird cannot fly.
Still, Bird was not ready to give up. Bird stood as high as he could, and prepared to strike cat.
But Bird is smallest flightless bird in the world. Cat ate Bird in single gulp. Or not really.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image003_zps4ypg3lkh.png
Meanwhile, elsewhere, other Bird was very quiet, and wandered too close to feasting Cat.
Although Bird is very quiet, Cat spotted Bird. But this Bird was very ready to take on evil Cat.
Bird inflated large pouch, to look incredibly big and frightening! Or perhaps, to blow up like a balloon and float away. Would be improvement over all these danged flightless birds everywhere.
But in actuality, throat pouch inflation is for impressing the lady Birds. Not for intimidating Cat, or for floating away.
And Cat has claws, and probably not a good idea to be a passive, inflated Bird when Cat is hungry and wants to scratch weird looking birds to death.
Bird suffered WRATH OF CAT!!!!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/magnificentfrigate_zpsy8ib7tud.jpg
So many goofy looking Birds. None seem capable of standing up to the evil Cat.
Alive and predatorial birds:
Kiwikhaan
Resplendent quetzack
edseedsnipe
Winstone-curlew
General Hawkerchief
Besrakar
Doubleday's hummingbird
Dead:
Pigeon - narrator
Emu- Sooh
Turtle Dove- Autolycus
Turtle Dove- Jolt
Greater sage-grouse- El Barto
Flightless Cormorant- Al Sipsclar
Penguin- atheotes
Inaccessible Island Rail- BSmith
Magnificent Frigate Bird- Pelican (Wrath of Cat)
BEGIN NIGHT FOUR!
Well, at least I was right about Pelican. :creep:
I know who I am going to vote for next day phase, I think. Though knowing my luck, they will get night killed and turn out to be town then I will be hanging up my hat and going "Yup, now I am done. I lost big time."
Double A
03-18-2016, 07:31
That is a really magnificent bird.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2016, 12:37
End of Night Four
Bird was very active that night, searching for seeds and grubs and things to eat, sniffing around with nostrils. Yes, Bird actually has nostrils and a highly developed sense of smell.
Bird could smell animal approaching. Bird recognized the scent.... it was not Cat. Cat would not want to go near these things.
Things were hunting Bird, so Bird use its impressive anatomy to do something no other Bird can do....
Lay egg one quarter its own size.
Very well played, Bird.
Now, if only Bird had wings, Bird could get away.
Run, Bird!
But there nowhere to run.
And Bird not faster than speeding bullet. Bird merely beloved and goofy-looking and very endangered New Zealand mascot.
Bird not endangered anymore. There nothing dangerous to dead Bird.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image005_zpsdstxcadn.png
Alive and predatorial birds:
Kiwikhaan
Resplendent quetzack
edseedsnipe
Winstone-curlew
General Hawkerchief
Doubleday's hummingbird
Dead:
Pigeon - narrator
Emu- Sooh
Turtle Dove- Autolycus
Turtle Dove- Jolt
Greater sage-grouse- El Barto
Flightless Cormorant- Al Sipsclar
Penguin- atheotes
Inaccessible Island Rail- BSmith
Magnificent Frigate Bird- Pelican (Wrath of Cat)
Kiwi- Beskar
BEGIN DAY FIVE!!!
One further mislynch, and Town Loses. No Lynch is a valid option.
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2016, 12:39
Countdown to End of Day Five
End of Day Five
GeneralHankerchief
03-18-2016, 16:13
Not even 48 hours for Lylo?
Askthepizzaguy
03-18-2016, 16:20
If people want more time I'll extend it. At final 6, usually it ends as no lynch.
GeneralHankerchief
03-18-2016, 16:26
Oh right, that's a thing.
For folks that have done this thing before, is that the plan then? In the meantime I'll get some work done
watch more NCAA March Madness games
do a reread and see if anything comes up.
seireikhaan
03-18-2016, 16:54
Vote: GH
seireikhaan
03-18-2016, 17:40
Anyone heavily involved with yesterday isn't scum, we need to go looking elsewhere.
Vote: Pelican
The more I read this and that day phase, the less I like it. What's with this declarative statement? Not only did you never clarify *why* you think this, even if you had, you know as well as I do the power of wifom, especially given how much we like to rib on occam's razor on steam. I *know* you know better than this sort of statement.
The kill targets ring as something you'd do too.
Another thing... you have *lots* of "town" reads as I go through the thread. Town read on winston, town read on zack, town read on beskar, "this is town vs town". If I see this once, maybe twice, I'll notn pay much mind, but this is a pretty consistent thing. C'mon, town GH, gimme that scum read. Even yesterday, when you gave me a poke vote, you poked me, and kept posting a bit, and then kinda just let it fall flat. Gimme that vigor. I know you're posting, but I'm not feeling the intent.
I think we're looking at GH-Winston, on my gut. I'm especially looking at the Auto lynch here especially - each one on a different wagon, ready to intercede if the winston case picked up steam. In fact, they've not voted for the same person the *entire* game. While that could be purely incidental, given we're on LYLO, that seems less likely.
GeneralHankerchief
03-18-2016, 17:59
Okay, now I definitely want a time extension.
seireikhaan
03-18-2016, 18:06
^^^^
I still maintain that the al sipsclar wagon was scum-driven.
and fwiw, I never said winston was lock town. GH interpreted it as such.
Winston Hughes
03-18-2016, 22:46
vote: Zack
He's been sweeping game after game as scum, playing the crowd to perfection, and this smells exactly the same.
Winston Hughes
03-19-2016, 01:31
Zack is most likely.
Zack and khaan would be this bold.
GH and Zack might be this bold.
GH and khaan might be this bold.
I can't see an AA/edse scum team, but either could be with any of the others.
Winston Hughes
03-19-2016, 01:40
mafia is a dumb game
If scum, this is quality.
Winston Hughes
03-19-2016, 01:52
If scum, this is quality.
Last time I felt like this about a post, it was pizza, and he was scum.
seireikhaan
03-19-2016, 01:59
vote: Zack
He's been sweeping game after game as scum, playing the crowd to perfection, and this smells exactly the same.
Clarify?
Winston Hughes
03-19-2016, 02:01
Zack has won several recent games as scum where none of his team got caught, with his manipulation of the public mood being a key ingredient each time.
Winston Hughes
03-19-2016, 02:05
Put another way, there's nobody I'd rather be scum with than Zack.
No scum found, ergo Zack is scum? I'm flattered, but sorry.
Zack is most likely.
Zack and khaan would be this bold.
GH and Zack might be this bold.
GH and khaan might be this bold.
I can't see an AA/edse scum team, but either could be with any of the others.
why is boldness a requirement? bold in what way?
Okay, now I definitely want a time extension.
gonna use it?
Winston Hughes
03-19-2016, 02:22
Nah, it's more than that. The way this has played out feels like a Z-Scum game.
Winston Hughes
03-19-2016, 02:25
why is boldness a requirement? bold in what way?
Bold enough to make today's plays if scum together.
Winston Hughes
03-19-2016, 02:27
Why the vote on GH?
And who is his scumbuddy?
seireikhaan
03-19-2016, 02:43
Bold enough to make today's plays if scum together.
But... what even *are* today's plays? What is the boldness? None of what you're saying is apparent to me at all.
Why the vote on GH?
And who is his scumbuddy?
What khaan said today and I said in previous days.
Probably edse. Maybe Double A.
Winston Hughes
03-19-2016, 03:04
But... what even *are* today's plays? What is the boldness? None of what you're saying is apparent to me at all.
You and Zack voting GH.
If you and Zack are scum, it's bold because it's open collaboration.
If you and GH or Zack and GH are scum, it's bold because it's putting a scumbuddy in the lead at lylo with a short day.
Mafia are almost never the first to vote in lylo. Coincidentally, none of {GH, edse, Double A} have voted.
seireikhaan
03-19-2016, 03:09
Who says it's a short day? GH even requested an extended phase, which I tend to agree with.
Also, not much of what's gone on so far is particularly bold. Most of who's left is lurkers, so anyone looking to direct the flow of the game just has to step up and make their case. It's not bold to simply stake a claim for what you think will guide you to victory, either way.
Winston Hughes
03-19-2016, 03:18
Neither of the last two posts are convincing to me. Both vibing defensive.
>accuse someone
>stop being defensive
vote: Zack
He's been sweeping game after game as scum, playing the crowd to perfection, and this smells exactly the same.
On second thought, I'm not so flattered. Considering I'm actually town this time, it's a bit of a backhanded compliment. :laugh4:
Winston, I found a Wikipedia article (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Confirmation_bias) you might like.
eagerly awaiting someone to accuse me of being "too defensive" even though that has never been a reliable scumtell ever
GH and Winston or Zack and Khaan. Zack behaves exactly as he did in Arakhor's game on CFC, but that's more of a proof of how good he played in that game. Beskar was probably killed to frame Zack and Khaan. Vote:GeneralHankerchief
Askthepizzaguy
03-19-2016, 17:16
Missing an entire person and more than one person requested an extension.
Round will end same time tomorrow.
End of Day Five
seireikhaan
03-19-2016, 17:59
Well, if there's one thing we can be fairly sure of, it's that double A is probably town and continuing his proud tradition of forgetting about the last day phase to play mass effect 2.
Double A
03-19-2016, 18:57
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/282971566650128419/50CA59EC7EF55C3CFCA851897ED314BB43671006/
~;)
Not even 48 hours for Lylo?
In my experience, people who ask questions like this right after an update are actually usually scum.
GH and Winston or Zack and Khaan. Zack behaves exactly as he did in Arakhor's game on CFC, but that's more of a proof of how good he played in that game. Beskar was probably killed to frame Zack and Khaan. Vote:GeneralHankerchief
I agree, but I'm not counting out a GH/Zack team. vote: GH
GeneralHankerchief
03-19-2016, 20:45
Fine. I admit it.
I'm scum.
Could have played it better in public, that one's on me. But luckily, public behavior isn't the only aspect of this game, is it?
Vote: khaan
Good luck! :flybye:
winston has been talking about a gh/zack/beskar team all game, yet has only voted for me and beskar out of those three. I think he might be gh's teammate.
Winston Hughes
03-20-2016, 01:42
If I was GH's buddy I would've bussed him asap after khaan's accusation. Kinda like you did.
And that makes it three times you voted GH without explanation: D1, D2 and today. I've been on you from that second GH vote precisely because I know you like to throw down distancing votes on partners. This is where I made the Beskar connection, too, as you dropped a bald, irrelevant vote on him at the end of D2 (having gone unusually quiet after I suggested your earlier GH vote was bussing). I also note that the lynch was poised at 4 each for Auto and Tak at that stage with time running down, and, based on prior experience, I'm pretty sure that town Zack uses his vote meaningfully in that situation.
Winston Hughes
03-20-2016, 01:55
Another thing is the way you and GH jumped on BSmith after he posted that reads list, in which his increasing suspicion of you was the biggest headline. BSmith's posting there was nothing like his scumself, with the hesitancy to commit being a major towntell of his (and something which has got him mislynched more than once before).
Winston Hughes
03-20-2016, 02:05
GH's actions today - staying quiet and then, once the votes stacked up, confessing - smacks of partnership with you as well. I mean, you're the only other player with a vote on you, and I'm clearly not minded to drop my suspicions. In the end, what other move could he make, but to try and give you a chance to push me as a suspect, in the hope of getting khaan to agree before his inevitable murder tonight?
I also note that the lynch was poised at 4 each for Auto and Tak at that stage with time running down, and, based on prior experience, I'm pretty sure that town Zack uses his vote meaningfully in that situation.
I counter-note that scum Zack used his vote meaningfully in a nearly-identical situation in the recent notw.
Winston Hughes
03-20-2016, 12:02
I didn't say that scum Zack wouldn't use his vote meaningfully; I said that town Zack would use his meaningfully.
In a similar way, scum Zack might or might not have pushed BSmith's lynch like that, but I doubt that town Zack would have done so.
What I'm seeing here aren't moves that Zack would definitely make as scum, but moves that Zack would be very unlikely to make as town.
Askthepizzaguy
03-20-2016, 17:03
End of Day Five
Birds noticed that there were fewer birds in habitat. Birds not notorious for being excellent counters. It had been some time, but finally, they noticed that the habitat was mostly empty.
Small group of birds began to chirp at one another, and whistle, and make other bird sounds.
"WOOF!" said one of the birds.
Normally, such a faux pas would be ignored. After all, being bird is tough. Sometimes you forget your lines. Is understandable mistake.
But other birds looked at the very, very large Bird. Very unusual looking Bird, indeed. Dressed like human. Face like dog's face. Holding a very, very large gun in his paws. Quite an unusual species of Bird. But many goofy looking birds in habitat. Big ugly Bird was accepted into the group because group not very judgmental.
Birds went back to chirping and whistling at one another, trying to figure out why they were being picked off one by one. Or more than one. Is difficult to count higher than this.
"WOOF!" said the very large Bird, again.
Birds stopped chirping at one another, and looked at very large Bird again. Excuse you, big bird. Line is "tweet tweet", not "WOOF!". Get it right. Is bad enough you really Dog dressed as Human, if can't even chirp like other Birds, then not welcome in Bird club.
"WOOF! WOOF WOOF WOOF!!!" Bird barked at other Birds. Bird took Tommy Gun and began shooting at other Birds, trying to kill them all.
Other Birds slightly distressed by this turn of events. One Bird nearly stopped eating seeds. Another looked up for a few moments with blank look on face. Very rude, Bird. First, forgetting lines. Then, being a Dog in real life. Finally, murderous rain of death with bullets. Certainly among the least welcome Birds in the habitat right now. Bird now viewed with more disdain than Karl, who is a Bird that looks suspiciously like the Cat that has been eating most of the birds in the habitat. Don't be like Karl, Bird. Be more like Bird. Bird is excellent role model.
"WOOF WOOF WOOF!!!" Bird continued to bark.
Other Birds had enough of this rude behavior, and slowly began to walk away, finding more interesting things to peck at. Just ignore Bird, other Birds said. He not very polite Bird.
Then Karl showed up, and began hissing at Bird, like a Cat does. Big ugly Bird not like Karl the Cat-Bird, and ran away, barking like big ugly Bird always did.
Simply ridiculous. Worst Bird ever. Not even look like Bird.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/Bird%20Mafia_zpso7kbsvla.jpg
Shocking twist: He wasn't really Bird. He was BIRD MAFIA!!!
Alive and predatorial birds:
Kiwikhaan
Resplendent quetzack
edseedsnipe
Winstone-curlew
Doubleday's hummingbird
Dead:
Pigeon - narrator
Emu- Sooh
Turtle Dove- Autolycus
Turtle Dove- Jolt
Greater sage-grouse- El Barto
Flightless Cormorant- Al Sipsclar
Penguin- atheotes
Inaccessible Island Rail- BSmith
Magnificent Frigate Bird- Pelican (Wrath of Cat)
Kiwi- Beskar
Bird Mafia- GeneralHankerchief
BEGIN NIGHT FIVE!!!
seireikhaan
03-20-2016, 17:12
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/282971566650128419/50CA59EC7EF55C3CFCA851897ED314BB43671006/
~;)
*Squints*
Man, they've really upped the complexity on the loyalty quests... :dizzy2:
Double A
03-20-2016, 17:52
*Squints*
Man, they've really upped the complexity on the loyalty quests... :dizzy2:
Yeah, tell me about it. To get Austria's loyalty, I have to beat them, France, AND Hungary in a game of throwing integers into a blender and hope my random numbers are the biggest.
If I am alive tomorrow, I will vote edse.
Actually, on second thought. We should no lynch tomorrow. Then vote edse.
seireikhaan
03-21-2016, 05:10
Actually, on second thought. We should no lynch tomorrow. Then vote edse.
Incorrect. The mafia will kill Double A the next night. The odds of Double A being the other remaining mafioso are quite low, in my estimation.
Also, no lynching is lame.
I'll post my thoughts in a short bit in case I bite the bullet tonight.
Double A
03-21-2016, 06:05
[something scummy to ensure the mafia don't kill me]
seireikhaan
03-21-2016, 07:09
Ah hah! He fell for my trap! He's clearly the mafia! Look at how he basically admits to it!
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2016, 13:16
End of Night Five
Other Dog-Bird found choicest prize that night. It was the rarest of the rare, and nearly extinct Bird.
It was a magnificent display. Bird with golden feathers. Majestic flapping wings. Cluck sound like musical instrument, if musical instrument sound like bird clucking. Which they do not. So is bad example. But Bird had proud visage. Intense expression. A fine countenance. Bird not know what those words mean, but writing coach assures Bird, using descriptive verbiage good narration. (Bird thinks it means face. Why not just say face, wonders Bird.)
And atop the head of this fine bird...
*nonchalant poop on your freshly waxed sportscar*
Atop the head of this fine bird rests a magnificent.... wait, already use word. What is different word. Splendid? No, that just sound like reaction if find new protocol droid to serve as Jabba's translator. Inappropriate word to use here.
*more nonchalant, runny poops all over the windshield*
ON TOP OF BIRD HEAD RESTS INSANELY AWESOME THING. OWNER OF SPORTS CAR COMING, MUST FINISH.
*panicked runny poops*
LOOK ON HEAD OF BIRD, IS HAT. NOW DOG-BIRD SHOOTS BIRD. THE END BYE.
*pooping mid-flight*
https://i.ytimg.com/vi/FdK478b-a5A/hqdefault.jpg
HAHA, BIRD WRECKED YOUR CAR.
FLAWLESS BIRD VICTORY.
Oh, right, narration.
Wait, aren't I dead? What am I, Casper the friendly Bird that poops? Narration not even make sense.
Anyway, here picture of newly deceased bird wearing sombrero.
Bird was unfortunate and unlucky "Doctor". He not very good at guessing which bird needed his protection, which would have been hilarious. Simply put, Bird would come out wearing sombrero and then youtube of chicken dance would play, distracting Dog-Bird. But Bird never make such thing possible.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image017_zpsgcajs3ok.png
Alive and predatorial birds:
Resplendent quetzack
edseedsnipe
Winstone-curlew
Doubleday's hummingbird
Dead:
Pigeon - narrator
Emu- Sooh
Turtle Dove- Autolycus
Turtle Dove- Jolt
Greater sage-grouse- El Barto
Flightless Cormorant- Al Sipsclar
Penguin- atheotes
Inaccessible Island Rail- BSmith
Magnificent Frigate Bird- Pelican (Wrath of Cat)
Kiwi- Beskar
Bird Mafia- GeneralHankerchief
Sombrero-wearing Chicken- Khaan
BEGIN DAY SIX!@#$%^&*(!! WHAT DID YOU DO TO MY SPORTS CAR!???!??!
Askthepizzaguy
03-21-2016, 13:40
End of Day Six
Vote: Winston it's either you or Zack.
Vote: No Lynch
literally no reason at all to lynch today, it only helps the mafia. Wait a day and narrow the choices down.
I haven't done a re-read, but I'm pretty sure edse is the only person GH didn't either call town (me, Winston) or scum (Double A), and they were on the terrible al sips wagon together.
Winston Hughes
03-21-2016, 15:59
Vote: Winston it's either you or Zack.
But you give no reason at all for choosing me, when a wrong choice here means defeat?
Congratulations. It was going to take something pretty blatantly anti-town to make me reconsider my position on Zack, but the above has got me wondering.
Winston Hughes
03-21-2016, 16:05
Vote: No Lynch
literally no reason at all to lynch today, it only helps the mafia. Wait a day and narrow the choices down.
As much as delaying the endgame does not appeal, I really can't argue with the logic.
Vote: No Lynch
But you give no reason at all for choosing me, when a wrong choice here means defeat?
Congratulations. It was going to take something pretty blatantly anti-town to make me reconsider my position on Zack, but the above has got me wondering.
I'm quite certain it is you, but it could be Zack, as I said yesterday. Yesterday's result only made it even more likely that it is you.
But you give no reason at all for choosing me, when a wrong choice here means defeat?
Congratulations. It was going to take something pretty blatantly anti-town to make me reconsider my position on Zack, but the above has got me wondering.
remember how town edse behaved in aspiring rappers. When it came to lylo, he was waffly as shit and waited until everyone else had voted... then still waited awhile more before he finally voted. And in the meantime tried to re-read a thread almost 3000 posts long before making his decision.
I'm pretty sure it's edse, but like I said there is zero reason to rush into a lynch today. Better safe than sorry.
I'm quite certain it is you, but it could be Zack, as I said yesterday. Yesterday's result only made it even more likely that it is you.
why not double a? because you're planning to kill him tonight?
Winston Hughes
03-21-2016, 16:19
Looking back over his posts again, edse needs to actually talk about the game in what time remains.
If Zack's scum, he's taken plenty of risks here. That fits his scum meta, so it's no evidence of towniness.
But I'd rather lose to that than to twelve posts worth of nothing.
Winston Hughes
03-21-2016, 16:21
I'm quite certain it is you, but it could be Zack, as I said yesterday. Yesterday's result only made it even more likely that it is you.
You're 'quite certain' it's me, but you can't actually conjure up a reason?
Winston Hughes
03-21-2016, 16:25
I mean, look at my posts through this game. I've never played anything like this as scum. That's not to say it's beyond possibility I could have changed it up here, but it should at least give you pause, what with the actual 'evidence' against me amounting to two-fifths of squat.
Double A
03-21-2016, 17:45
vote: lylo
destroy all concepts
Well, Winston looks better now that El Barto died.
Vote: Beskar, based on his own logic.
Also why do you have Winston as lock town? Because of the Barto nightkill?
edse and gh both specifically referenced the barto kill as clearing Winston for whatever reason
Winston Hughes
03-22-2016, 09:24
edse and gh both specifically referenced the barto kill as clearing Winston for whatever reason
Yeah, could be they were trying to set me up as a future mislynch, using reverse psychology to nudge others towards the conclusion that I would have killed Tak (which, as it happens, I probably would).
At that stage of the game, I looked good to townies because of how I was posting. But, generally, scum aren't looking for town mindset; they're looking for stuff on which they can build content that won't make them suspicious and for excuses to push other people towards the noose.
Winston Hughes
03-22-2016, 09:34
Seven and a half hours left and edse's reason-free vote on me remains. If Zack is scum, all he needs to do is switch his vote just before eod, and it's game over.
Does town edse risk it all like this, on what appears to be nothing more than a hunch?
I am here and not switching. No Lynch all the way.
Double A
03-22-2016, 16:41
but seriously
unvote, vote: no lynch
Yeah, could be they were trying to set me up as a future mislynch, using reverse psychology to nudge others towards the conclusion that I would have killed Tak (which, as it happens, I probably would).
At that stage of the game, I looked good to townies because of how I was posting. But, generally, scum aren't looking for town mindset; they're looking for stuff on which they can build content that won't make them suspicious and for excuses to push other people towards the noose.
Let's be real. Who here wouldn't kill Tak if given the opportunity?
so the only one not voting no lynch is the scum, got it
Seven and a half hours left and edse's reason-free vote on me remains. If Zack is scum, all he needs to do is switch his vote just before eod, and it's game over.
Does town edse risk it all like this, on what appears to be nothing more than a hunch?
btw as scum i would ride out the no lynch at this point instead of risking the tie
And that's the deadline. I think this might be the only time I have ever advocated for no lynch. spooky huh
so the only one not voting no lynch is the scum, got it
Well, scum killed the other one not wanting a no lynch.
In the NOTW we were at a hammer stage, my vote would end the day. Today I had 25 hours, although I still forgot to check in today.
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2016, 18:54
Placeholder
It is now night! No Lynch has occurred!
Orders pls.
I saw edse killing younglings
Askthepizzaguy
03-22-2016, 19:34
You seem a bit conflicted as to which side you're supporting there, Zack.
:P
Askthepizzaguy
03-23-2016, 13:15
Night Seven
Bird was approached by big, lumbering bird. At least, is probably bird. But Bird felt threatened because Bird noticed pattern where other birds have been dying, so Bird decided to make a quick getaway.
Does Bird escape by flapping wings? No, Bird is big and rotund Bird, and wings seem to be purely decorative. Does Bird escape by burrowing under the ground? No, Bird is not very good at digging. Does Bird escape by running away with gigantic, powerful legs? No, Bird is a fat, flightless parrot. Is not big enough to have impressive gait like ostrich.
So, how does Bird escape predator? Well, Bird is fairly ok at climbing trees. Yes, Bird has to climb the tree, cannot even fly up to branch. What a stupid bird. No wonder is critically endangered. Cat would have field day with this stupid, stupid Bird.
And he makes the escape! Bird managed to make it all the way up into the tree. Wow. Good show, Bird.
Well, here's thing: bullets can reach Bird even when Bird is in tree. May have been better idea to go on Jenny Craig and lose enough body weight to be bird that can fly away.
Stupid bird. Now you're extinct, my fat feathered friend.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image004_zpszaalflv9.png
You know, it occurs to me that is probably not good idea to have enclosed habitat with lots of basically helpless and stupid birds, and also have murderous rampaging animals inside habitat with birds.
Oh well, you live, you learn. Or you die because you evolutionary dead end, stupid bird.
Alive and predatorial birds:
Resplendent quetzack
edseedsnipe
Doubleday's hummingbird
Dead:
Pigeon - narrator
Emu- Sooh
Turtle Dove- Autolycus
Turtle Dove- Jolt
Greater sage-grouse- El Barto
Flightless Cormorant- Al Sipsclar
Penguin- atheotes
Inaccessible Island Rail- BSmith
Magnificent Frigate Bird- Pelican (Wrath of Cat)
Kiwi- Beskar
Bird Mafia- GeneralHankerchief
Sombrero-wearing Chicken- Khaan
Kakapo- Winston Hughes
BEGIN DAY SEVEN!
No lynch is no longer a viable option for town. Just thought I'd let you know, in case you did something bird-like.
Askthepizzaguy
03-23-2016, 13:16
End of Day Seven
I will probably re-read at some point
Anyone heavily involved with yesterday isn't scum, we need to go looking elsewhere.
Vote: Pelican
leaves atheotes, double a, beskar, zack, jolt in gh's scum pile
tally for reference
4 El Barto: Winston, Pelican, autolycus, Beskar
4 autolycus: GeneralHankerchief, atheotes, BSmith, Al Sipsclar
3 Winston: El Barto, edse, Khaan
1 atheotes: Double A
1 Beskar: Zack
No Vote : Jolt
5 1/2 hours to go.
So the moral of this game so far is clearly "if a person makes a post they're likely to be scum".
Unvote: Pelican
Vote: Al Sipsclar
starts the crappy al mislynch
And then it is a suitable moment to take a look at who's voting for him. Let me just change my vote first Unvote: Vote: Al Sipsclar for flipping four times between Beskar and Zack.
3 Beskar: Zack, Winston, Al Sipsclar
3 Al Sipsclar: GH, Beskar, edse
1 Zack: Khaan
No Vote: Double A (Forgot to check)
edse joins in the fun
Agreed.
gh calls me/beskar town
Yeah, but hot and bothered is Zack's default mood, especially as town. :laugh4:
reinforces his town read of me. I'm pretty sure gh was using his PIS to dish out town reads left and right in his wise sage role.
The D1 argument mostly revolving around Winston and Barto. Seemed like town vs. town.
calls winston town
Also why do you have Winston as lock town? Because of the Barto nightkill?
noted yesterday that gh and edse are the only ones who had this (odd) line of thinking, which I think is notable. One or both probably brought it up in scum chat.
FWIW I have both you and Beskar as likely town, with you as slightly more likely. You made a decent case against him yesterday but Beskar's behavior does seem to be in line with how he usually plays as town - most notably publicly appearing as in the know and also claiming certain predictions of his were correct when said predictions were never made in the thread.
more
Bit odd, but I generally think devoting attention to making anything out of kill choices is a waste of time, especially this early on in the game. Endgame, fine, but not now.
did not want to talk about kill choices
maybe we should talk about kill choices?
I did suspect Al Sips until about two hours ago when Pizza posted the lynch. Beyond that I think our scum is some combination of BSmith, one or two of our inactive players, and maybe atheotes.
GH's reads of living players at this point:
TOWN
Zack
Winston
Beskar
SCUM
BSmith
atheotes (immediately killed that night)
Pelican
NO READ
khaan (did take issue with me leaning town on khaan, later tried to push khaan)
edse (but had no issue with my "lean town" on edse)
Double a ("one or two of our inactive players" ---> lean scum)
after atheotes' death:
I agree in that it's probably not both of them, but it could be one of them and then somebody more active.
Vote: khaan
Zack why do you have khaan listed as lean town in your reads post from last page?
TOWN
Zack
Winston
Beskar
SCUM
BSmith
khaan
Pelican
NEUTRAL
edse (only player gh has said literally nothing about *alarms*)
Double a ("probably not both" pelican and double a, but "could be" him and "somebody more active" -- at this point slipped that he knew there are only 2 mafia, at time when everyone was assuming 3)
I think you're reading into it a little too much. I'm simply calling it as I see it, not trying to collect sympathy favors from people in order to cash in on them later on. I have a town read on Zack right now, but if something changes and I think he's scum later on, I'm not going to keep him alive just because he might be more likely to vote with me. I'm going to try to get him lynched.
Notice the phrasing here. "if something changes I'm not going to keep [Zack] alive" ---> betrays he was thinking about the possibility of NKing me, because that's not the phrasing you use in reference to the lynch
I agree in that it's probably not both of them, but it could be one of them and then somebody more active.
Is the day already over?
Vote: BSmith anyway
voting with gh again (or trying to anyways)
GH and Winston or Zack and Khaan. Zack behaves exactly as he did in Arakhor's game on CFC, but that's more of a proof of how good he played in that game. Beskar was probably killed to frame Zack and Khaan. Vote:GeneralHankerchief
accuses everyone except double a
http://images.akamai.steamusercontent.com/ugc/282971566650128419/50CA59EC7EF55C3CFCA851897ED314BB43671006/
~;)
In my experience, people who ask questions like this right after an update are actually usually scum.
I agree, but I'm not counting out a GH/Zack team. vote: GH
edse and double a both piled on gh after he was down in the hole. although edse did essentially confirm gh's demise instead of tying me up with him.
Fine. I admit it.
I'm scum.
Could have played it better in public, that one's on me. But luckily, public behavior isn't the only aspect of this game, is it?
Vote: khaan
Good luck! :flybye:
lol
Vote: Winston it's either you or Zack.
still no mention of double a. only one who didn't vote no lynch yesterday
I'm quite certain it is you, but it could be Zack, as I said yesterday. Yesterday's result only made it even more likely that it is you.
but the barto nightkill cleared winston???
vote: lylo
destroy all concepts
double a left a fake/joke vote before coming on later right before EOD. Almost like he was waiting to see if someone would switch off no lynch maybe.
but seriously
unvote, vote: no lynch
Let's be real. Who here wouldn't kill Tak if given the opportunity?
not the first time double a has been around at end of day. Last time he posted the ck2 pic to make it seem like he wasn't paying attention, but he keeps popping in right before day ends to jump on the popular wagon (gh, no lynch).
TL;DR
edse is the only person GH never gave a single read on. GH was more than willing to vote inactives, and even sorta implicated Double A might be scum, but never voted that way.
Double A and edse have both posted near zero actual content to analyze.
:(
GH: "don't look at nightkills pls"
so let's look at nightkills
n1 - sooh
meh, whatever
n2 - el barto
edse - him and gh brought up the winston thing
double a - him and gh both seemed to think barto was town; explicitly endorsed the kill afterwards :laugh4:
n3 - atheotes
no reason, gh straight up called atheotes scum right before he was killed so idk. :laugh4:
double a voted atheotes d2 fwiw
n4 - beskar
Double A - still trying to push beskar at the time. maybe he gave up on that possibility?
edse - never went after beskar, think him and gh assumed everyone had moved on from beskar
n5 - winston
edse - winston was coming around to push edse, but he could still have been persuaded to vote zack. Why wouldn't edse kill double a? AA never seemed to give any indication he would be willing to vote me or winston, and edse expressed willingness to vote anyone except double a. Maybe he realized I would never vote winston, and figured I might be persuaded to go double a.
double a - zack was never lynching winston, edse is lynchbait, double a can't kill himself, edse indicated it was winston OR zack so killing one will make him go after the other. A winston kill makes perfect sense for double a, especially since at the time I probably seemed more gung-ho about gunning for edse.
ugh I am torn. I need to see edse and double a post. Can both of you link a recent scum game?
I'd like to reiterate my earlier sentiment that mafia is a dumb game
gh laffin at me from the grave
edse that green dot has been by your name for awhile
say something already
but the barto nightkill cleared winston???
I said that he looked better, not that he was cleared. Later GH was questioning why you had El Barto as lock town and I was the only one who had said something about him.
The Inquisition is my last scum game I believe https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?151040-The-Inquisition-Concluded&p=2053673169&viewfull=1#post2053673169
http://forums.civfanatics.com/showthread.php?p=13767523#post13767523
Here's the second, a game won as mafia almost a year ago.
I am not sure how the barto nightkill made winston look better
edse sure liked to vote his teammates in inquisition
edse sure liked to vote his teammates in inquisition
and a little bit in master of arcane too, though with the way duels worked in that game I'm not sure how meaningful that is
still I feel the winston nightkill implicates double a
And look at this, up for the lynch last day but manages to convince ATPG and game is won :laugh4: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?148786-Age-of-Kings-Mafia&p=2053630361&viewfull=1#post2053630361
okay, stop gloating about past victories and start trying to solve this one
also walk me through your thinking wrt barto nightkill and winston
I am not sure how the barto nightkill made winston look better
But why did you have Winston down as town then?
10 living players, 5 dead townies
2 Town: Zack (duh), Winston (duh)
2 Scum: Beskar (been there), BSmith (lurking, jumps in on low-effort bandwagon --> bsmith is mafia)
4 Undecided: GeneralHankerchief (lean scum), atheotes (lean bleh), khaan (lean town), edse (lean town)
2 Inactive: Double A, Pelican (lean scum)
----
I assume there's 3 scum in a 15 player game. {Beskar, BSmith, x} where x ≠ Zack, Winston Hughes. Right now my gut says GH and the scum piled on al sips to save beskar, but that does seem a bit foolhardy. I can see Pelican as mafia since Beskar mentioned him being inactive somehow automatically made him town and tried to move votes off him.
This GH post is really weird, I'd like him to explain it:
How do you define someone "heavily involved with yesterday" and why aren't they scum?
I mean, look at my posts through this game. I've never played anything like this as scum. That's not to say it's beyond possibility I could have changed it up here, but it should at least give you pause, what with the actual 'evidence' against me amounting to two-fifths of squat.
...
also walk me through your thinking wrt barto nightkill and winston
They were at each other the day before, so it was possible to be a slight case of framing.
...
:no:
answer my question ffs
OH MAN OH MAN OH MAN COMPUTER OH JEEZ
OH MAN PLZ TO HALP I CANT GOOD WITH COMPUTER
I'm so slow.
why did you think winston was scum
why did you think winston was scum
For the opposite reason you thought he was town.
He started by claiming he would be short of time this game and then fooled around before getting very serious closer to the end. It felt like the fist days were only an act. In hindsight, reading through his comments from the day GH was lynched have me believe he was right about you. Vote: Zack
20 hours left, I will be back tomorrow. Hopefully Double A has turned up by then.
Oh edse. I hope you're not town, because you have forced my hand. You leave me no choice.
Vote: edse
http://i.giphy.com/3rgXBGlZ7coy0mi6iY.gif
i wash my hands of this sin
personally I can't think of a better person to rest the fate of the entire game on than double a
For the opposite reason you thought he was town.
He started by claiming he would be short of time this game and then fooled around before getting very serious closer to the end. It felt like the fist days were only an act. In hindsight, reading through his comments from the day GH was lynched have me believe he was right about you. Vote: Zack
20 hours left, I will be back tomorrow. Hopefully Double A has turned up by then.
ugh this is sooo bad and lazy
y u do this
cmon double a seal our fates already
Oh edse. I hope you're not town, because you have forced my hand. You leave me no choice.
Vote: edse
If you're town you have to convince me that Double A is the last scum. But as you see, he is absent, not lurking. That's not someone who randed mafia. That also means that there is little information about him. (Just as about me, but I tend to lurk my way into end games nowadays)
ugh this is sooo bad and lazy
y u do this
But it's true, it's exactly like the NOTW where you had me choose between two townies. This time i at least have a chance at being right.
Double A
03-24-2016, 16:12
oh god I just woke up and there's only 50 minutes left
Double A
03-24-2016, 16:17
pizza if I don't vote for either do both of them get lynched
not the first time double a has been around at end of day. Last time he posted the ck2 pic to make it seem like he wasn't paying attention, but he keeps popping in right before day ends to jump on the popular wagon (gh, no lynch).
I've been doing that because I've mostly been checking the org in the mornings and pizza ends phases at noon for some reason.
Double A
03-24-2016, 16:24
Now that I am closer to legally awake
Zack: Winston thought he was scummy. Is probably always scum. Actually played the game.
edse: kinda feels scummy today I guess
wow that didn't help
Double A
03-24-2016, 16:33
Instead of choosing one of the bandwagons, I think I'll just keep my throwaway vote on GH for now. This does not make scum. In fact, this is so transparently scummy, the only reasonable conclusion is that I must be town. QED.
wifoms for the sake of laughter are scummy
Anyone heavily involved with yesterday isn't scum, we need to go looking elsewhere.
Vote: Pelican
vote: Zack
Unvote, Vote: Double A
sorry i called u a turd i didn't mean it :(
IMPLICATIONS OF THE WINSTON KILL
edse look at the implications. I have to run in a few minutes
double a - zack was never lynching winston, edse is lynchbait, double a can't kill himself, edse indicated it was winston OR zack so killing one will make him go after the other. A winston kill makes perfect sense for double a, especially since at the time I probably seemed more gung-ho about gunning for edse.
IMPLICATIONS
Double A
03-24-2016, 16:42
wat
winston's kill forces edse to vote me which makes it easy for double a to tack on and seal
why would I EVER kill winston. think! why would edse kill winston? think! only double a has good reason to kill winston.
implications
i gotta go but
IMPLICATIONS EDSE, THINK OF THE IMPLICATIONS
glgl
Double A potential kill
Winston: me going for Zack, Zack going for me
Zack: me going for Winston, Winston going for me
edse: Zack and Winston probably going for Double A?
Zack potential kill:
Winston: me going for him, Double A?
Double A: me and Winston undecided
edse: Winston going for Zack and Double A?
Double A
03-24-2016, 16:48
Double A potential kill
Winston: me going for Zack, Zack going for me
Zack: me going for Winston, Winston going for me
edse: Zack and Winston probably going for Double A?
Zack potential kill:
Winston: me going for him, Double A?
Double A: me and Winston undecided
edse: Winston going for Zack and Double A?
also what
Damn it!
It is true that Double A was the most likely target last night.
invite: vote Double A
Double A
03-24-2016, 17:15
I really hope that doesn't count as a valid vote.
anyway I was town
you should regret that awful zack vote
what kind of scumbag host ends day at a time when they're still not around 2 hours past the deadline
:stare:
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2016, 19:16
Oh hai
Do we has a lynch?
what kind of scumbag host ends day at a time when they're still not around 2 hours past the deadline
:stare:
1 minute later:
Oh hai
Do we has a lynch?
the summoning ritual worked
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2016, 19:21
All right all right, writeup incoming. Working on it now.
2 Double A (Zack, edse)
1 Zack (Double A)
I believe edse's vote was 2 minutes before the deadline. Otherwise I am the lynch and town loses and I cry.
https://49.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lyvrkqzZnl1rn95k2o1_500.gif
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2016, 20:05
Day Seven
Ok so let's get down to the nitty gritty write away. It would seem some of you are impatient for your own demise. We'll get to that as the first order of business.
However, ghost-pigeon wonders if anyone will even read this narration. So, for those of you who skip to the bottom, narration reveal may be false. Bird laughs out loud.
So, let's take a look at this Bird you say is guilty of murdering other Birds.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image012_zpsyf0ej3ny.png
Wow. I was not ready for that. You one goofy lookin' Bird, "quetzack". You not one of those. What are you, anyway?
Google says this "Great Potoo". What a ridiculous looking bird. Seriously. I don't know if Bird could get any goofier looking.
Did you know you are the lynch today?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image011_zpsgvoaaekf.png
Yep, that's right! Don't look so surprised. You've known about it for hours. Even complained it was coming too slowly for quetzack. Don't worry though, narrator ghost pigeon can cure you of all your ills.
But let me ask you question, Bird. When you saw you were going to be the lynchee today, what was your reaction? Were you surprised, disappointed? What was the exact expression on your face, after all the hard work you put into this game?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image008_zpsvjputj1q.png
Yeah, I'd be puzzled too. My god, you're a goofy looking :daisy:.
Seriously, I can't get over it. Anyway.
Cat is coming to eat you, Bird. And Cat is very hungry, depite being full of birds already. Maybe Cat just want to play with your goofy looking face and bat you around for a while. Would you like that, goofy Bird?
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image021_zpsdev2mu5o.png
No!? No!??!? Well, you knew this was a possible outcome. Personally, I blame Double A. It must be all his fault. Or perhaps Edse, I guess. It's probably both.
But i think my favorite moment was when turtle doves both died during a lynch. Lawl, lover masons. Partly their fault for not being here / claiming, partly other Birds fault for lynching them to begin with. But let's not go around assigning blame for this disaster. After all, is possible you, goofy-looking Bird, are actually a Dog!
Yes! Possible! Birds too dumb to tell difference between Bird and Dog all this time in the narration. Why would today be any different? At least they find Hawkerchief, although to be fair, he was howling. And literally admitted to being scum.
So, it's not like anyone did a fantastic job here. But the moment of truth is coming. When Cat eats Bird, we will find out of Bird is actually Bird, or if dog will run away and stop pretending to be Bird, because Dog does not like evil Cat. Or something.
This plot too convoluted for me. Why do dogs have human hands, again? Shut up, internal monologue! Nobody likes you.
Cat is coming! Get ready, 'Quetzack', for you are about to meet your birdly lord. Any final words? Oh that's right, you Bird. You don't have any words. Laff.
Cat pounces!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image009_zpsbw0p4ke0.png
Oh... oh my Bird. Look at your face! Look at that wide-eyed, sympathetic looking face!
You're even uglier and goofier looking when you're trying to be cute. But let's see what Cat thinks of your desperation maneuver.
Cat has taken a look at your big Disney eyes, and has reconsidered his position on the matter of eating your face.
Hmmm....
Thinking carefully.
Considers eating Edseedsnipe for sniping and switching vote at the last minutes, because this is scummy. But the Doubleday's hummingbird thing also appetizing and skipped most of final day, could be scummier.
But wait! Cat is merely narrative element! Cat has no choice in the matter! Cat eats your face, Bird!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image010_zpsbkmnp6ah.png
Zack was eaten by the Cat. Zack was Great Potoo, a vanilla and seriously goofy-looking fricking Bird. Everyone laugh at the goofy-looking bird pictures. Makes up for choppy grammar and overall plot weakness, which was a choice by the narrator he doesn't even begin to regret because it's still funny.
But wait, didn't narrator hint that he was maybe lying about this reveal?
That also a lie. Cat turned around and mauled the other Bird, who was revealed to be....
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image018_zpsjhdip172.png
....
That not very goofy-looking Bird. Must be cover role or something. Not really that funny. Bird demands refund.
Oh wait, Google says this is "titicaca grebe".
WHAT A FUNNY NAME FOR A BIRD! And is also a stupid flightless Bird. So many dumb birds can't get away. No wonder so many are endangered. Oh, I have an idea, I'll be a bird, except I can't fly.
Birds are stupid! That's the moral of story. Next time you see Bird, point and laugh at Bird. After all, they pooped on Pizza's car.
Is not sports car, but still, goopy poopies on windshield smear all over the place and is gross. Dumb birds.
Which leave only one "bird" standing. He must be the Bird Mafia, which is really Dog. With human hands.
You bad at Photoshop, Pizza pigeon.
Actually, MS paint. But dog's face really goofy and thought it would be funny if the Bird mafia had stupid dog faces.
And now, the grand finale! This is the team which won the game!
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/Bird%20Mafia_zpso7kbsvla.jpg
Edse survived and massacred all the Birds. Why? Because is Dog. And Dog likes to hunt birds. And if Dog had Tommy Gun, you better believe it would shoot every Bird it would see, and bark at their remains. Because maybe then, can drag shattered Bird corpse back home to Master and get pat on head and doggy treat.
Dog just want Master's approval, after all. See, Dog not so bad, really. Would murder ruthlessly just to win approval from their lord and master. No wonder why Dog is Man's best friend. This something both species have in common. *grumble, grumble.*
Well that's a depressing note to end on.
Once again, here is face of goofy fricking Bird.
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/image021_zpsdev2mu5o.png
HAHAHA! What a goofy-looking Bird.
OK I feel better now. At least we not look like that Bird. What an unfortunate fate.
And this means that, in all truthfulness,
THE BIRD MAFIA HAVE WON THE GAME!
CONGRATULATIONS, GENERALHANKERCHIEF AND EDSE!!!
And yes, this is the real ending.
Not have time or energy to bother with fake reveal.
Thank you everyone for playing! Hope you had fun! Here is silly chicken dance song that went unused this game:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aWjeITmDmmo
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2016, 20:06
2 Double A (Zack, edse)
1 Zack (Double A)
I believe edse's vote was 2 minutes before the deadline. Otherwise I am the lynch and town loses and I cry.
I made you the lynch anyway because it didn't matter if you or Double A got lynched. Both were townies.
:laugh4:
Zack, you poor, poor man. You deserved a better outcome, after all your hard work.
I made you the lynch anyway because it didn't matter if you or Double A got lynched. Both were townies.
:laugh4:
Zack, you poor, poor man. You deserved a better outcome, after all your hard work.
:sweatdrop:
seireikhaan
03-24-2016, 20:13
So wait, how was it that edse didn't even get a single vote on him again?
*rereads*
*still unsure*
Huh.
Anyways, good game, dogs. At least I properly accused darling, even if I flailed and failed every single protection.
I thought I was screwed twice already. You probably shouldn't have gone for a no lynch yesterday.
Thanks for the game :)
So wait, how was it that edse didn't even get a single vote on him again?
*rereads*
*still unsure*
Huh.
Anyways, good game, dogs. At least I properly accused darling, even if I flailed and failed every single protection.
I tried, but Double A wouldn't play ball.
When I pushed for no lynch, I failed to see the outcome where the other townie stubbornly votes for me in lylo. I also didn't expect winston kill. Like I said, hands were tied by people voting me.
seireikhaan
03-24-2016, 20:20
And thanks for hosting, Pizza. Sorry I didn't put more effort in, game was quite amusingly written, and I can't really put a finger on why I didn't get more invested. :shame:
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2016, 20:21
http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/xUHactaSQ8G2
Dead villager chat
http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/wyZhcWkpKYf
Mafia chat
Big birds don't cry. Somehow Edse wins even though really stupid narrator completely screwed up and murdered the wrong person one night. Sorry, Khaan. Both mafia were pretty sure they wanted to kill Khaan for basically the entire time. To be fair, Khaan was the murder for most of the night and it was switched a little bit before day break, but still too much time left on the clock for host to shrug off mistake. My bad. Didn't look like an error in the mafia's favor at the time. After all, they wanted Winston dead who wanted Edse dead and Winston survived and still wanted Edse dead. Should have resulted in town victory, but town very unpredictable at times.
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2016, 20:22
Apologies for my genuinely crappy hosting, due to writeups taking a while and that murder-related error I mentioned above. My players deserved better. I blame the fact that I was narrating like a bird-brain the entire time, probably removed needed IQ points.
Pigeon should not narrate games in the future. :P
Winston Hughes
03-24-2016, 20:24
Fun game. Can't believe edse got away with that, though. I wasn't sure if he was scum, but I thought he was locked for the lynch today. Shows what I know, I guess. :laugh4:
ps. Loved the write-ups.
http://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/xUHactaSQ8G2
Dead villager chat
lol
"Zack is mafia"
"Zack is mafia"
"Zack is mafia"
no man can read me
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2016, 20:28
Zack, you're one of my favorite players and a genuine threat in every game because you have an impenetrable poker face, and no one can tell the difference between scum and town zack, not even pizza who has seen both plenty of times.
But you attract suspicion and n1 actions a lot. Price you pay for being excellent.
Winston Hughes
03-24-2016, 20:30
no man can read me
From the start of the penultimate day through to the end, I thought you came off very townie. That said, given the amount of practice you've had as scum lately, I wouldn't have put it past you to have faked it.
I thought some of the meta/wifom-commentary on myself was a town-tell for me. I am more serious as mafia and stay away from those kind of jokes/lampshading.
seireikhaan
03-24-2016, 20:38
I thought some of the meta/wifom-commentary on myself was a town-tell for me. I am more serious as mafia and stay away from those kind of jokes/lampshading.
Setting up your next game as Mafia already, nice work! :2thumbsup:
Zack, you're one of my favorite players and a genuine threat in every game because you have an impenetrable poker face, and no one can tell the difference between scum and town zack, not even pizza who has seen both plenty of times.
But you attract suspicion and n1 actions a lot. Price you pay for being excellent.
on the downside, I am not a great townie. You are a much better player overall.
GeneralHankerchief
03-24-2016, 20:59
I read from start to finish, to answer that part of the writeup Pizza. :tongue:
Good game to all. Very little credit goes in my direction, as I made quite a few poor tells that I was rightly called out on. As it turns out, rolling mafia on average of once every two years makes you a bad scum. :laugh4: I think I'm a better strategic mafioso than a tactical one. I hope so, at any rate.
Luckily we threw just enough smokescreens to make it work out in the end. I'm somewhat amused that the one truthful statement I made in the game (seriously examining the kill choices in early midgame is stupid) was the one thing that Zack latched onto in lylo.
Gg to edse for bringing the victory home and thanks to Pizza for hosting. :bow:
I'm somewhat amused that the one truthful statement I made in the game (seriously examining the kill choices in early midgame is stupid) was the one thing that Zack latched onto in lylo.
well I was partly joking with that. Never miss an opportunity to mock a dead scum who can't respond.
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2016, 21:21
on the downside, I am not a great townie. You are a much better player overall.
Surely you have seen some of my recent dismal performances as town. You beat me fair and square several times in the past year, scummo. XD
Surely you have seen some of my recent dismal performances as town. You beat me fair and square several times in the past year, scummo. XD
you've beaten me fair and square also. remember the giraffe boards game? I got taken to the woodshed.
Winston Hughes
03-24-2016, 21:47
And let's not forget what happened when you guys randed the two most important town roles in my game... :creep:
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
Double A
03-24-2016, 21:52
honestly I thought zack was scummy for most of the game
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2016, 21:57
honestly I thought zack was scummy for most of the game
Of course he was. He's always precisely that scummy. Hell, if you think he's a townie, that's when he's always scum.
honestly I thought zack was scummy for most of the game
but why? people always say "oh zack but you're always scummy" but I don't get it honestly.
El Barto
03-24-2016, 22:15
double a you goof
Hey, to be fair, you didn't vote for edse either.
but why? people always say "oh zack but you're always scummy" but I don't get it honestly.
It's because you were scum the last game both here and on CFC.
Hey, to be fair, you didn't vote for edse either.
Yes I did actually. But Double A came in and chose to vote me over edse (when it was tied 1-1 between us), so that ship had already sailed.
El Barto
03-24-2016, 22:31
Why did you not leave the vote on edse and try to convince Double A? Admittedly, he is a goof, but that way you had a chance… Double A wasn't much of a mafioso.
Why did you not leave the vote on edse and try to convince Double A? Admittedly, he is a goof, but that way you had a chance… Double A wasn't much of a mafioso.
There were like 20 minutes left in the day and I had to go afk in less than 5. I already gave plenty of ammo against edse for Double A to consider -- not just the last day phase, but for a few phases before that -- and he chose to look the other way. He made his choice. And regardless of my feelings of double a / edse, any lynch was far better than mine.
Double A
03-24-2016, 23:02
I could've been convinced to not be a goof. It probably wouldn't have been that hard.
in fairness I was caught up in #implications
Winston Hughes
03-24-2016, 23:37
Got to hand it to edse, really. Given where we were the previous evening, he had to pitch his efforts just right to weasel out that lynch.
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2016, 23:38
I understand Zack's decision. If the round is almost over, and Double A is not convinced after all the work Zack put into it, Zack's only option is to either be stubborn and get lynched, or to play the "if I am wrong" game and try to lynch anyone but himself.
In my opinion, Zack's choice is tactically correct, even if it doesn't win the game. He didn't have that many options left and he needed to make a decision to save the game, and his options were down to either stand pat and await his death, or try to lynch the only person available to him.
Under time pressure and having to leave, I think Zack can leave this game knowing he tried all the available options.
If he had time to sit and try to convince Double A more, then perhaps keep to your convictions is better. But, I've made decisions like that many times. In final 3, the other townie needs to vote correctly or I will self-pres.
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2016, 23:38
Got to hand it to edse, really. Given where we were the previous evening, he had to pitch his efforts just right to weasel out that lynch.
It was incredible to watch. A couple posts he made on the final round were convincing to me that he deserved an outright win.
Let me find and quote it.
Askthepizzaguy
03-24-2016, 23:40
If you're town you have to convince me that Double A is the last scum. But as you see, he is absent, not lurking. That's not someone who randed mafia. That also means that there is little information about him. (Just as about me, but I tend to lurk my way into end games nowadays)
But it's true, it's exactly like the NOTW where you had me choose between two townies. This time i at least have a chance at being right.
This post, I feel, was an excellent post by edse. The game really started to lean in the scum's direction after this post.
in fairness to double a, I was never really decided on which was scum. props to edse.
Winston Hughes
03-24-2016, 23:49
One thing I should have picked out in Zack's favour was the Beskar kill. I doubt he'd have gone there as scum.
I understand Zack's decision. If the round is almost over, and Double A is not convinced after all the work Zack put into it, Zack's only option is to either be stubborn and get lynched, or to play the "if I am wrong" game and try to lynch anyone but himself.
In my opinion, Zack's choice is tactically correct, even if it doesn't win the game. He didn't have that many options left and he needed to make a decision to save the game, and his options were down to either stand pat and await his death, or try to lynch the only person available to him.
Under time pressure and having to leave, I think Zack can leave this game knowing he tried all the available options.
If he had time to sit and try to convince Double A more, then perhaps keep to your convictions is better. But, I've made decisions like that many times. In final 3, the other townie needs to vote correctly or I will self-pres.
Yeah. I gave edse the opportunity to vote Double A, and double a the opportunity to vote edse, and both spat in my face. :laugh4:
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2016, 00:00
To be fair, you have one of the goofiest faces I've ever seen this game. Perhaps spitting in it was pure reflex, or like a defensive mechanism, like recoiling in confusion and being startled.
My goodness there are some goofy looking Birds. I laughed my butt off just looking at these pictures.
Great potoo is not as goofy looking overall as the one with inflatable chin boobs, but those eyes and the ridiculous facial expressions means it wins goofiest damned bird.
Winston Hughes
03-25-2016, 00:00
Scum's advantage going into a three man standoff: they choose the jury.
Winston Hughes
03-25-2016, 00:18
inflatable chin boobs
Can I use this as a song title?
lylo is always the best in vanilla games imo
Askthepizzaguy
03-25-2016, 00:44
I was worried that giving town masons and a doctor would be OP. I made the masons a bit weaker as a result.
I still think that the mason lynch almost never happens. Was a fluke that both masons were away when the lynch was on one of them. Also, if they were forced to claim, simply shooting the correct lover-mason would cause both to die.
I think a doctor realistically protects only once per game unless they get lucky, so khaan missing isn't a terribly big deal. There were still enough rounds to find the scums.
GeneralHankerchief
03-25-2016, 00:47
lylo is always the best in vanilla games imo
It's even better when there are no reveals and the dead are allowed to troll talk. :yes:
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