Season 3: Mafia Champions- NOMINATE SOMEONE

[Askthepizzaguy]

Sup gais

So our website is invited to join the third season of the "Champions" series of mafia games (http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/forums/36-The-Mafia-Championship-2016), where the "best" players from various forums are encouraged to join to represent their home forum in a series of mafia games.

Granted like 95% of our player base has come and gone, and we had to settle for sending me, so "Champions" is definitely in quotations. :laugh4: But, since I made it to the final round last time, I'm ineligible. I'll also be assisting with the organization, design, and hosting of the games this year, as well as moderating and rule enforcement stuffs. So that means it's a double-triple no, I can't do it this time around. Do not nominate me.

That means we need someone able and willing who gets some nominations to go to a whole different website and play with some peoples you've never played with before, and try to win every game flawlessly, or else there will be shame on your family name for countless generations, and the .Org will literally stop being a website.

It's a super big deal and kittens will die if you don't attend. (It's a fact, albeit an unrelated one)

So #SaveTheKittens and nominate someone who can put on a less pathetic performance than I did!

Personally, I nominate whoever posts next. But GeneralHankerchief would probably get my nod, assuming we can wipe off the cobwebs and get rid of that terrible mothball smell. He's been here doing mafia stuff since 2006 for crying out loud.

[Zack]

I post next and am ineligible you goof.

[Askthepizzaguy]

I post next and am ineligible you goof.

Ah.

Well, we'll just change your name to Zackbeard and send you anyway.

#loopholes

[GeneralHankerchief]

Relevant post from the other thread (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?149504-Gameroom-policy-discussion-thread&p=2053691255&viewfull=1#post2053691255)

(I might move those posts here at some point but that requires moderator-fu and I've got other stuff on my plate atm)

[Csargo]

I'd say GH or Monty.

[GeneralHankerchief]

Do we have any other nominations?

I'd like to submit seireikhaan's name for discussion, he has way more practice at being mafia than me (seriously, my performance in the last game isn't enough to convince you guys that I'm terribly rusty as scum?), and plus I know I'll enjoy him privately complaining about the game's minutiae to me over Steam. :laugh4:

I'd also like to submit Csargo for general awesomeness and being the perfect lab-designed counter to khaan, but unfortunately it looks like we can only pick one person.

[GeneralHankerchief]

I'd also be open to El Barto representing us on the one condition that he uses his persona from Pirate Ship III/Rock-Paper-Scissors IV for the entirety of the championship.

[Zack]

seriously, my performance in the last game isn't enough to convince you guys that I'm terribly rusty as scum?
Here's the thing though. There's a misconception that being a good mafioso is about avoiding suspicion, but it isn't. It's about survival (of the TEAM). And you survived long enough in that game, managing to direct however many lynches (can't remember off the top of my head) onto townies, before getting "caught". Anyone who calls that a poor performance is flat-out wrong, you lasted until freaking lylo (or close to it at least) for god's sake. You weren't the survivor, but you didn't put your surviving teammate in a hole - on the contrary, edse was still in a statistically favorable position even immediately after your death.

Quick tips for improving your scum game that are kind of vague and easier said than done:

1. Always put your team's survival above your own. This also applies to your teammates' survival. You don't need to survive to win, and your team doesn't need to sweep to win.

2. Balance the short-term and the long-term. A short-term setback can be a long-term boon, but too many short-term setbacks will sink your team. Conversely, a short-term gain can hurt you in the long run, and a lot of short-term gains can snowball into long-term success.

3. Match the tone and "meta" of your town game. Unless you are brand new, people are going to draw on their experience of how you acted as scum/town in the past, and they will notice deviations from the pattern that may implicate you. Immerse yourself in the role of a townie, and think like a townie. WWTMD? (what would townie me do)

4. Have genuine-seeming interactions with your teammates in public. This is critical for team survival and obfuscating spew. This also applies to bussing, ensure you are bussing in a manner that gives the impression of a legitimate accusation.

Hmm, maybe I should write a guide. There are already enough guides for town play (http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/1336-Pirates-of-the-Caribbean?p=262422#post262422).

[Zack]

There's a misconception that being a good mafioso is about avoiding suspicion, but it isn't.
Just to re-iterate this point, in pretty much game I've ever won as scum there's always a parade of "I knew it was you" (i.e. hindsight bias (http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/showpost.php?p=46654098&postcount=1285)), even when I survive to the end of the game and am never under serious lynch pressure.

[El Barto]

I'd also be open to El Barto representing us on the one condition that he uses his persona from Pirate Ship III/Rock-Paper-Scissors IV for the entirety of the championship.
Hahahaha. I was actually going to post something along the lines of ‘would they allow a PirateBarto account?’ before I read your post, I don't know… if no one else wants to do it I coould step up as a representative for any of here/CFC/TWC, I can do it, but I'd have to sign out of any games for as long as I'm alive there.

But, regarding the rules:


Regarding lynch mechanics: There will be a deadline each day phase, and the person with the most votes at the end of the day is lynched, unless a majority has already been reached before then, in which case the day ends prematurely.

Days will last 36 hours and nights 12 hours, meaning 48 hours (2 days) per game day. With one exception: The weekend (Friday, Saturday and Sunday) will be one game day (so day will be 60 hours and night 12 hours on weekends).
a) there's a hammer
b) the phases are too short, I couldn't guarantee that I'd get any of those. I have to finish with uni once and for all.

So, seriously, I'm only your last resort. You can get better, or should be able to, at least.

[seireikhaan]

Do we have any other nominations?

I'd like to submit seireikhaan's name for discussion, he has way more practice at being mafia than me (seriously, my performance in the last game isn't enough to convince you guys that I'm terribly rusty as scum?), and plus I know I'll enjoy him privately complaining about the game's minutiae to me over Steam. :laugh4:

I'd also like to submit Csargo for general awesomeness and being the perfect lab-designed counter to khaan, but unfortunately it looks like we can only pick one person.

While that's kind of you to recommend me, darling, I'm not sure my style would mesh well over there. I'd have to fairly significantly ramp up my usual early activity, which might throw me off into doing something stupid. That said, if there's really nobody else, I'd consider it.

Besides, you're the One True Founder, the Great Prophet who descended from on high and gave us the stone tablets of Mafia here on the .org.

And I guess if not you, I'll toss out Visorslash or Csargo.

[El Barto]

seirei/issai/whateverelsekhaan shouldn't be allowed in. He can't mangle his way through to the semifinals by throwing rock every time.

[Zack]

seirei/issai/whateverelsekhaan shouldn't be allowed in. He can't mangle his way through to the semifinals by throwing rock every time.

http://static2.fjcdn.com/thumbnails/comments/Maybe+patrick+s+pet+rock+really+was+a+living+thing+_16a21f5334ed6a7f9546ffc03e5b41c7.png

[Csargo]

I'd second/third/fourth a khaan or Visorslash nomination as well. I do not have the time to seriously commit to any mafia games atm sadly.

[Visor]

I've don't mind playing again but I would prefer to send someone else who can handle it.

That said, it will be an intense game (sometime n april/may/june)

If I do rep one of either cfc/org I need at least one other person to come with me.

[Double A]

I nominate Tak so he'll shut up already.

[El Barto]

I've just checked in CFC, apparently Takhisis has been absorbed into the Tolni supraentity. And their Double A is taking over Takhisis-hood. I have no choice but to conclude you're nominating yourself. Double A + Visor seems like a good duo which gets my backing.

[GeneralHankerchief]

You know what, screw it. If I'm the nominee I'll do it.

[Visor]

good, thats settled. you're the candidate.

[El Barto]

OK, GH for here and Double A for CFC, we're all set.

[Askthepizzaguy]

Visorslash should be an alternate and khaan should be like the second alternate in case Double A doesn't show up and GH suddenly gets orgitis and needs to return to his homeland.

[El Barto]

GH-khaan for the .org and AA-Visor for CFC then.

[seireikhaan]

GH-khaan for the .org and AA-Visor for CFC then.
So I can finally team up with honey-bun in mafia, after all these years?


https://i.imgur.com/V9yRStq.jpg

[El Barto]

Well, while it's still not up to the standards of vampiric homosexuality displayed on the CFC, this is already making things worth it.

P.S. you can touch his honey-bun anytime, I think.

[seireikhaan]

But yeah, on a more serious note, I'm fine with being an alt for GH.



P.S. you can touch his honey-bun anytime, I think.
Implying this doesn't happen already.

[Double A]

Visorslash should be an alternate and khaan should be like the second alternate in case Double A doesn't show up and GH suddenly gets orgitis and needs to return to his homeland.

what do you mean "in case"

[GeneralHankerchief]

Got a PM from the organizer who needs me to jump through a couple of hoops, here's the relevant part:


6) FINALLY: YOUR BIO!

And lastly, I need a bio from you.

Please fill out the below form.

NATIONALITY: [...]

STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): [...]

HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: [...]

BIO:
[Insert whatever information or fun facts that you wish here. Talk about your mafia-related accolades, impressive stats, fun anecdotes, favorite role to play, strengths and weaknesses, your approach to the game, other players' quotes about you, or take out the piss on the whole thing and make some jokes. The ball is entirely in your court, this will be how you present yourself to your fellow competitors and to the 136 spectating communities.

Feel free to enlist the help of your community to make this bio]

So, anybody feel like contributing quotes? Otherwise I'm just going to make a bunch of terrible age jokes.

[Zack]

The Ishmael post has to be referenced.

edit: plus the time you betrayed your morals and led a town network

[GeneralHankerchief]

Oh god, the Cicero speech. I'd forgotten about how much time I spent on that.

[Zack]

edit: plus the time you betrayed your morals and led a town network
and your frenzied attempt to rationalize (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?149422-A-mafi%28y%29a-game&p=2053654421&viewfull=1#post2053654421) it as an "entente"

[El Barto]

Don't give out any RL data, give them the stuff on GH the player.

NATIONALITY: .orgah

STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): [insert year]

HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: the .org. ??????

BIO: Narrator of the Pirate Mafia series, 100% failure/success rate when attempting to lead a town (depends how you see it), host of the Rock/Paper/Scissors championships, erm… what else can one say?

Edit: if you give us your life story (as a player/GM I mean) I can pirate-talkify it for you.

[Zack]

*achieved the rank of general

[Double A]

"established a tradition of serial killers leading towns and then dying late game explicitly because of it"

[El Barto]

*likes to quote Roman classics*

'mon, let's make a list. Hmm… how bad is he as a moderator? :clown:

[Askthepizzaguy]

NATIONALITY: Pirate

STARTED PLAYING MAFIA (YEAR): '06, though we're not sure which century.

HAVE PLAYED MAFIA ON THE FOLLOWING SITES: The .Org

BIO:
GeneralHankerchief, is he even still around? Apparently so. As the founding member of mafia at the .org, he is known affectionately around those parts as being "over the hill", "decrepit", "desiccated", and "dirt's grandpappy". And yet he is so devoted to that backwater site that no one ever visits that he's never even ventured out to play mafia on another site. He's the grizzled old timer who sits in a rocking chair on the porch every day telling 70 year olds to git off his lawn. He's been through at least seven depressions and four world wars, and affectionately refers to Kaiser Wilhelm I as "that spry young Prussian boy". Please be advised that he may show up dressed like a pirate, wearing an onion on his belt, and that for him, this is perfectly normal. During this event, he may mutter things like "where am I?" or "who in the hell are you people?", and this will demonstrate that, even in his twilight years, he's still the sharpest bulb in our particular knife shed. He may talk about the "good old days", before there were any "roles" like cops added to these games, having to hunt using only wits alone, and how people used to play without alignment reveals, and if they were mafia, they had to write their own murder narrations or else it didn't count. And believe it or not, that's completely true, we had a team of archaeologists look into it. Please handle with care, as he is extremely fragile and we would like his raggedy old bones returned to us in some semblance of being intact, and he definitely has the osteoporosis.

[GeneralHankerchief]

-edit- will add to this as I think of more.

BIO:
If I actually know what's going on I might not suck.

BIO:
Living (for now) proof that age doesn't necessarily equal wisdom.

BIO:
Has spent nearly ten years exclusively in one mafia community. Doesn't notice the smell anymore.

BIO:
Is thoroughly unimpressed with everyone else's stories of how they singlehandedly carried [floundering faction] to victory in scenarios X, Y, and Z. Not because he's done better, just because he doesn't care.

BIO:
Oh, everybody else is doing pithy, short bios too? Cool, cool.

BIO:
GeneralHankerchief: Old and delusional, until he isn't.

BIO:
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn

[Askthepizzaguy]

Heh, I'm ancient and GH remembers entire eras of mafia "Before Pizzaguy". Ages of history and pages of threads and years that went by where there was some goddamned peace and quiet.

[Zack]

Previous bios:

#13 Player: Zack (http://forums.civfanatics.com/member.php?u=158920)

http://forums.civfanatics.com/image.php?u=158920&dateline=1428273445&type=profile

Username for this game: Zaccino

Representing: CivFanatics (http://forums.civfanatics.com/forumdisplay.php?f=445)

Started playing in: 2009

Bio:
Zack has played in well over a hundred games across several sites, and hosted more than twenty himself. In 2013, he won awards for "Best Mafia Performance", "Best All-Around Player", "Best Scumbag", and came in second for "Most Enjoyable Player" and "Best Townie". When he's town, he is usually killed off early, and when he's mafia he tends to survive to the end of the game.

Zack is world-renowned for his humility and philanthropy. He is also quite handsome.


You howl for a duel, I'll put you down like the smelly cur you are. Woof.

#2 Player: Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?23872-Askthepizzaguy)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/customprofilepics/profilepic23872_7.gif

Username for this game: Askthepizzaguy

Representing: Totalwar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?156-Gameroom)

Started playing in: 2008

Qualifications:
Askthepizzaguy has tons of experience having played in about 200 games and hosted well over 50. He is regarded as the top player on Totalwar where he is also the guy in charge of the mafia subforum. One of his impressive statistics on this forum is having won 11 out of 14 wolf games, surviving 9 of those.

In addition to this, he is well respected on other forums and was in fact one of the top suggestions on Idlemafia, Giraffeboards and Straight Dope where he has also played.

Bio:
"In a nutshell I believe in activity, questioning one another, lying and misleading even while town, and acting intelligently with regards to the vote tally."

#15 Player: Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?74339-Montmorency)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/avatars/thumbs/313.gif

Username for this game: Montmorency

Representing: The Org (aka Totalwar) (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?156-Gameroom)

Started playing in: 2011

Qualifications:
Montmorency has participated in over 50 games since he started playing on The Org in 2011.

Besides earning his way into this game through a public vote in which he received 50 % of all votes (with the remaining votes being spread out), he has also previously received an award for Best Participant (2011).

Bio:
"how did i get here i thought this was the bathroom"

#13 Player: Visorslash (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/member.php?79491-Visorslash)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/images/avatars/m2tw/euroyoung-gen/euroyoung-gen200.jpg

Username for this game: No Lynches

Representing: TW Center (http://www.twcenter.net/forums/forumdisplay.php?463-Mafia)

Started playing in: 2011

Bio:
J9CeC3yrcG4

#2 Player: Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?23872-Askthepizzaguy)

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/customavatars/avatar23872_2.gif

Username for this game: Askthepizzaguy

Representing: The Org (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/forumdisplay.php?156-Gameroom)

Started playing in: 2008

Bio:
Askthepizzaguy is the only player in history convinced that if he stares at a screen long enough, and types enough words, he can force people to confess their roles in the guessing game known as mafia. He's also convinced that he's good at it, despite mountains of evidence otherwise. Selected for the previous season of mafia championships for absolutely no reason that we can see, he joined the website 2+2 and was thoroughly satisfied with himself for voting nothing but scumbags in one game, surviving to the final lynch, and being lynched instead of convincing anyone at all to lynch even a single wolf, because he's under the impression that is a notable accomplishment. Having driven away all the players from TWC, he achieved a similar goal at his native website known as the Org, and once hosted a mafia game so terrible that mafia is no longer even played on the Straight Dope, and every other website he's been to is losing players at an alarming rate. His most recent accomplishments feature a string of unfinished overhyped and overdesigned games, and seems to understand the word "retirement" much like a professional wrestler does, and continually announces his retirement forever from mafia games on multiple sites, only to still hang around as if anyone cares, and voluntarily join more games no one asked him to join. Basically, he's a clingy, self-absorbed, delusional, overly talkative, emo bitch, so he'll fit right in at 2+2.

[Double A]

so do these go in the playbill for everyone's parents

[Thingyman]

Your representative's Championship game started just a few hours ago: http://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/2394-Season-3-Game-8-Gears-of-War-Mafia-Championship

I want to talk about and spectate the game - what do I do?

If you wish to actively spectate and show support for your representative, then there are two ways of doing this.

1) There will be a private spectator thread on the site for each game that you may request access to. Simply register on the site and PM the user "Thingyman", and I will add you. Feel free to spectate games that your representative isn't in as well. These threads are published after the game completes.

2) We have a spectator chat on Skype, with currently more than 200 people in it. It's very active and fun, I highly suggest you join it if you have Skype. It's way more active than the on-site ones. Just add me: thingyman.

None of these two chats/threads will be spoiled!

Finally, we kindly ask that you refrain from commenting too much on the games in public on this forum, as the other representatives will easily be able to find and read through this (as has happened in the past). I can't control what you do here, but out of respect for the integrity of this Championship, it's best if you don't discuss your reads on your representative or the other players or make comments that could potentially indicate your reads. I.e. even something like "oh man, our representative is totally being his usual self right now" is not good. Speaking very generally about what has happened so far in the game (so as to update your fellow community members) without commenting on it is fine though.

I hope this doesn't seem too strict to you guys, but the game can become very uncomfortable (and unfair) if there is discussion about it outside of the game thread. If you want to have your own private spectator chat, that is of course also totally fine and I even encourage it (I'd love to be added if you make one of these) :)

I wish your representative and your community all the best of luck for this season! :)

[Zack]

Congrats to gh for a well earned victory!

[El Barto]

So we let him off the hook here so that he can go and play with other people?

[GeneralHankerchief]

Visor and I made the wild card game, the ride isn't over yet. :croc:

[Visor]

Wildcard game is stacked

Should be interesting

[Askthepizzaguy]

It can't be that stacked if a couple of schlubbs from our neck of the woods made it in.

I had some respect for this tournament, once. Then Zack and I both made it to the finals. Then Visor and GH made it past the first round.

Tsk tsk tsk. Don't these people realize we're casual mafia players, not pros like the more elite forums across the world?

[johnhughthom]

Maybe that's the problem, the amateurs are making stoopid moves the elites don't expect. :clown:

Good job GH and Visor!

[Visor]

Apparently the jury is looking for someone who can post relevant gifs, I just pander to my audience.

[El Barto]

If it's all about posting cat .gifs, then I should hasten my incorporation into these games.

[Zack]

Visor and I made the wild card game, the ride isn't over yet. :croc:

I suppose i should congratulate visor sometime then. I'll put it on my schedule.

[Zack]

I suppose i should congratulate visor sometime then. I'll put it on my schedule.
*checks calendar*

congrats visor!

[GeneralHankerchief]

*checks calendar*

congrats visor!

You may need to schedule another congrats soon, Visor and I were both on the winning side (town) and we're on the shortlist to advance to the finals.

[Zack]

congrats you miserable bastards

[El Barto]

That was an unscheduled congratulation. Take it back!

[Askthepizzaguy]

Your representative's Championship game is about to start.

I want to talk about and spectate the game - what do I do?

If you wish to actively spectate and show support for your representative, then there are two ways of doing this.

1) There will be a private spectator thread on the site for each game that you may request access to. Simply register on the site and PM the user "Askthepizzaguy*", and I will add you. Feel free to spectate games that your representative isn't in as well. These threads are published after the game completes.

2) We have a spectator chat on Skype, with currently more than 200 people in it. It's very active and fun, I highly suggest you join it if you have Skype. It's way more active than the on-site ones. Just add me: Askthepizzaguy.

None of these two chats/threads will be spoiled!

Finally, we kindly ask that you refrain from commenting too much on the games in public on this forum, as the other representatives will easily be able to find and read through this (as has happened in the past). I can't control what you do here, but out of respect for the integrity of this Championship, it's best if you don't discuss your reads on your representative or the other players or make comments that could potentially indicate your reads. I.e. even something like "oh man, our representative is totally being his usual self right now" is not good. Speaking very generally about what has happened so far in the game (so as to update your fellow community members) without commenting on it is fine though.

I hope this doesn't seem too strict to you guys, but the game can become very uncomfortable (and unfair) if there is discussion about it outside of the game thread. If you want to have your own private spectator chat, that is of course also totally fine and I even encourage it (I'd love to be added if you make one of these) :)

I wish your representative and your community all the best of luck for this finale! :)

Note: I stole Thingyman's post to save time. He wrote most of this.