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Greyblades
05-12-2017, 11:53
That's not what dog whistling means. At all.
Is that one of those alt right dog whistle statements where you accuse me of anti semitism while maintaining a level of deniability? If so why not just ask me straight out if I don't like jews?
Aren't you jewish yourself, nice trap. But in many cases yes
Radical settler group are evicting 81 families by a combination of legal and physical harassment:
A private settler organization is planning “the most extensive expulsion scheme in recent years,” in the Batan al-Hawa area of Silwan in occupied East Jerusalem, the Israeli human rights group B’Tselem is warning.
The settler group, Ateret Cohanim, claims to own about an acre of land in the densely populated neighborhood near the al-Aqsa mosque.
The group has filed eviction claims against the 81 Palestinian families who live there.
B’Tselem says this concentration of evictions represents 45 percent of all Palestinians facing “dispossession on the basis of ethnicity” in East Jerusalem.
https://electronicintifada.net/blogs/charlotte-silver/palestinians-face-biggest-expulsion-years-settlers-jerusalem?utm_content=buffer9d6d1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
AE Bravo
05-18-2017, 17:50
And murder.
https://www.rt.com/news/388824-israeli-settler-kills-palestinian/
Also, last week some IDF scumbag killed a teenage Palestinian girl in cold blood.
These radical settlers sure are filth
Here's another example of those brave and noble zionists and their tough stance against terror:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=972071529601021&id=407570359384477
Settlers taunt a 15 year old girl as she bleeds to death in the street and block an ambulance for an hour. Charming.
Here's another example of those brave and noble zionists and their tough stance against terror:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=972071529601021&id=407570359384477
Settlers taunt a 15 year old girl as she bleeds to death in the street and block an ambulance for an hour. Charming.
Why can' people just acknowidge that all sides are wrong. That is pretty heartbreaking that girl. I am getting a bit pissed of really, it indeed is starting to look like ethnic cleansing, not that it means anything but Israel is really losing my sympathy lately when itt comes to being nice, being nice like a sane person would be
And then you have the systematic imprisonment without trial for years :
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1830835863599987&id=124922777524646
Arrested by the army. Given no access to a lawyer or to see any evidence against them. That's 6 months in the chokey with nothing you can do or say about it. And on the last day of your 6 months the state can give you another 6 months. And what can you do? Hunger strike was pretty much the only thing left.
I am really torn, Chomsky might just have a point calling Israel a rogue-sttate. There are things I can't undersrtand because I could never be like that it's just not in me, On the other hand, serious eenemies
Repeated Israeli settler attacks on Palestinians filmed. No action taken.
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.797636?v=DAB792D6FC72DCFB807BF48B4D21D403
The video footage is clear: At least 10 settlers who set out from the direction of the Givat Ronen outpost to the adjacent West Bank village of Burin are seen throwing stones at Palestinians. The footage leaves no room for doubt. Five or more of the settlers’ faces are visible, and there were soldiers in the area who witnessed the stone-throwing. But indictments have yet to be filed in regard to the incidents, and there is no evidence that any suspects have even been detained for questioning.
No citizenship rights. No status. Their property can be confiscated by the state and given to settlers. They can be imprisoned without trial.
Right wing Jewish gangs are free to beat up Palestinians with impunity:
http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium-1.798449?v=5C728B02F62E700EE12DB8317B656F5D
When a Jewish teen who attempted to help Palestinians tried to file a complaint, police said they had no knowledge of the incident
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None are so blind as those who will not see.
Ok, so none of you care about Israel. Well they are about to compromise your basic American political rights - the right to decide what you will pay money to:
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/
But now, a group of 43 Senators – 29 Republicans and 14 Democrats – want to implement a law that would make it a felony for Americans to support the international boycott against Israel, which was launched in protest of that country’s decades-old occupation of Palestine. The two primary sponsors of the bill are Democrat Ben Cardin of Maryland and Republican Rob Portman of Ohio. Perhaps the most shocking aspect is the punishment: anyone guilty of violating its prohibitions will face a minimum civil penalty of $250,000, and a maximum criminal penalty of $1 million and 20 years in prison.
Seamus Fermanagh
07-20-2017, 01:09
Ok, so none of you care about Israel. Well they are about to compromise your basic American political rights - the right to decide what you will pay money to:
https://theintercept.com/2017/07/19/u-s-lawmakers-seek-to-criminally-outlaw-support-for-boycott-campaign-against-israel/
With 52 the GOP cannot get much done. A bipartisan group of 43 will not succeed in this. If this was somehow passed, I doubt the courts would rule in favor of it.
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None are so blind as those who will not see.
To be fair, those 10 people in a photo op are not speaking on behalf of Israel or represents them. If they do, we would be pretty screwed given how EDL marches attracts hundreds and reportedly thousands in the biggest ones.
Strike For The South
07-20-2017, 16:34
You can also find those same signs at Palestinian rallies. I was reminded of this thread by a post I saw on social media. It was the spongebob meme saying: "IsReAlS RiGhT tO eXiST", at least something to the fact.
Why would either side ever stop fighting if that is the alternative.
Kralizec
07-20-2017, 20:39
I care about Israel & Palestine, but to be honest I have not been actively following the news. The kind of abuses that you've been posting about seem pretty standard fare...sadly.
With 52 the GOP cannot get much done. A bipartisan group of 43 will not succeed in this. If this was somehow passed, I doubt the courts would rule in favor of it.
I find it pretty disturbing that even 43 senators could get behind it. I'm not sure what being a "co-sponsor" entails but if they claim that they're completely ignorant of the important points of the bill, it can't be much.
Seamus Fermanagh
07-20-2017, 21:06
I care about Israel & Palestine, but to be honest I have not been actively following the news. The kind of abuses that you've been posting about seem pretty standard fare...sadly.
I find it pretty disturbing that even 43 senators could get behind it. I'm not sure what being a "co-sponsor" entails but if they claim that they're completely ignorant of the important points of the bill, it can't be much.
It means they support publicly....at least enough to show their supporters in their states...does NOT mean they will allow it to actually get to the floor and be voted upon.
Hooahguy
07-21-2017, 03:33
By pushing other governments to enact these kind of laws, Israel only makes it worse on themselves. I seriously wonder who is running their PR because it is some of the lousiest I have heard of. Best way to encourage the BDS movement is to try to ban it.
Montmorency
07-21-2017, 03:59
By pushing other governments to enact these kind of laws, Israel only makes it worse on themselves. I seriously wonder who is running their PR because it is some of the lousiest I have heard of. Best way to encourage the BDS movement is to try to ban it.
Israel's role on the international stage calls up a weird sort of Antisemitism2.
You know, those insidious Zionists are secretly weaponizing the Islamic hordes to destroy Europe/white Christianity for money and power and stuff.
Hooahguy
07-21-2017, 04:11
Israel's role on the international stage calls up a weird sort of Antisemitism2.
You know, those insidious Zionists are secretly weaponizing the Islamic hordes to destroy Europe/white Christianity for money and power and stuff.
Wouldnt be surprised if some people believed that. Israel doesnt really do such a great job at helping their own cause.
AE Bravo
07-25-2017, 22:13
IDF scumbag kicks man praying: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2c9qR01QyVI
Christian honor killing his daughter for dating a Muslim: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/christian-man-kill-daughter-muslim-prisoner-relationship-israel-sami-karra-henriette-ramle-honour-a7846581.html
Hooahguy
07-25-2017, 22:34
Palestinian murders three Israelis while they were eating dinner: http://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/1.802757
Definitely feels like the circle of violence is spiraling again, while I wouldnt go as far as to say 3rd Intifada, its getting worse.
AE Bravo
07-26-2017, 00:01
Hamas expressed its support for the killing. Hamas spokesman Husam Badran said: "We will continue fighting the occupation in all points of friction for the support of Al-Aqsa."
This is why Hamas is losing allies. Hard to deal with. Instead of blaming the killing on the Al Aqsa incident (sticking with their line of thought), they go and express support for it.
Montmorency
07-26-2017, 00:16
Metal detectors nixed at holy site, additional policing proposed, Fatah/Abbas rejects all new security measures (http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-07-26/israel-removes-metal-detectors-palestinians-reject-new-measures/8743708)
The dispute, like many in the Holy Land, is about much more than security devices, taking in issues of sovereignty, religious freedom, occupation and Palestinian nationalism.
Hooahguy
07-26-2017, 06:02
This is why Hamas is losing allies. Hard to deal with. Instead of blaming the killing on the Al Aqsa incident (sticking with their line of thought), they go and express support for it.
Hamas isnt exactly well known to be in the business of condemning the murder of innocents (if they are Israeli of course). Regardless which side one is on, the murder of innocents is never okay.
And its not just Hamas of course, there was quite a ruckus back in May when the Palestinian Authority named a women's center funded by the UN and Norway after a terrorist who helped murder 38 civilians, including over a dozen children.
The UN and Norway subsequently pulled their funding. http://www.torontosun.com/2017/05/29/united-nations-pulls-support-for-palestinian-womens-centre-named-after-terrorist
AE Bravo
07-26-2017, 07:38
Regardless which side one is on, the murder of innocents is never okay.
Yes, which is why it's weird when honoring Shimon Peres and his ilk is okay but Palestinians mourning a counterpart is not. Palestinians honoring Dalal is no different than what Israelis have been doing all along.
Israeli PMs have been just as much if not more "terrorist" and child-murdering than these commoners.
Israel has deliberately destroyed both Palestinian infrastructure and political and civil society. If you organise in any way, you will be arrested without charge and detained without trial.
In such a situation what political groups *can* survive? Answer: those organised on an underground military basis.
Hooahguy
07-26-2017, 14:17
Yes, which is why it's weird when honoring Shimon Peres and his ilk is okay but Palestinians mourning a counterpart is not. Palestinians honoring Dalal is no different than what Israelis have been doing all along.
Peres and his ilk are not celebrated for the act of murdering innocents.
You will never hear me say it is okay for Israel to be oppressing the Palestinian people like they are now. But lets not pretend that the Palestinians are saints either. I do agree that Israeli oppression has certainly facilitated the creation and activities of Hamas, but just like I think it is cowardly for Israeli society to always play the victim, same for the Palestinians. If both sides keeps going down this path of always blaming the other side for how they act, I can only see things ending very badly.
Gilrandir
07-26-2017, 15:51
If both sides keeps going down this path of always blaming the other side for how they act, I can only see things ending very badly.
Rather "things never ending".
Hooahguy
07-26-2017, 17:15
Rather "things never ending".
Well yeah, but I think if some sort of solution isnt found it will end even worse than it is now.
Gilrandir
07-28-2017, 19:40
Well yeah, but I think if some sort of solution isnt found it will end even worse than it is now.
I don't expect it to end in the foreseeable future.
To be fair, those 10 people in a photo op are not speaking on behalf of Israel or represents them. If they do, we would be pretty screwed given how EDL marches attracts hundreds and reportedly thousands in the biggest ones.
Not really isolated fringe when the leading politicians say stuff like this:
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Hooahguy
08-02-2017, 00:59
Unfortunately, Israeli society has taken a rather decidedly paranoid shift to the point where any shadow is seen as the monster in the closet. There are real threats of course, but I feel like a lot of it is overblown to gain political points or to keep Israeli society in a state of fear. For example, the response to the Iran deal. Back in the March 2014 elections, Bibi would have made you think a second Holocaust was arriving.
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