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[TenkiSoratoti]

Quote[/b] ]THE NEXT TOTALWAR GAME First there was shogun, then medieval. Now, for the first time ever, see the secret sequel that will change strategy gaming forever.

I cant wait for next months magazine.
I think were in for a treat.

[Knight_Yellow]

I bet it is the romans. infact i bet a fiver.

(legal disclaimer on the event that PCG does not announce the tw3 game to be romans then Knight_Yellow refuses to pay a "fiver") http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[deejayvee]

Oooh... I like the "change strategy gaming forever" bit.

[Alrowan]

oooooohhh

ahhhhhhhh

hmmmmmmmmm

i bet is ancient total war

[Kraellin]

ahhh, i think some of you have missed the point. read it again; it's not about the era or factions ;)

K.

[[RDH] Spetz Natz]

Hmmmm....a link plz? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[Sandy-San]

i heard a from a mate in the industry that it might be Rome...

[rasoforos]

i t has to be ancient . it absolutelly has

[zipnar]

StarTrek: Total War

[rasoforos]

...to boldly send 1000 troops where noone has sent before

[Alrowan]

well perhaps they be making a whole new engine?

[barocca]

there have been "rumours" it will be StarShip Troopers Total War, including all the races that never made it into the movie
:D

wildly speculative rumours of course, but we can dream...

[Leet Eriksson]

My bet is on ancient totalwar(or something ancient)

[Swoosh So]

Hmm I havent got a clue what its going to be but i hope they dont go all 3d graphics on us, i hate 3d strat games, Im hoping for fantasy total war but thats not going to happen as they would never get the lotr license, Any other settings would be good for fantasy i remember a game called red omen was good years ago http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif I would love to see romans and that guy with the elephants, Alexander? I personally dont like the mtw setting all smelly medieval peeps http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Japan was much more rich http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Dont get me wrong in my ramble i like the mtw game just not the setting http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

SwooooooooooshoooooooooOOOOoOoOOoOwl

Rambling

[ShadesWolf]

I bet it will include sea battles

[Alrowan]

noooooooooooo

not starship troopers...

anytihng but that...


lol

im not sure about that.. its a big gamble for the community, but it sounds, umm... interesting http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

[Leet Eriksson]

triremes and rams would be cool(in sea battles)the game should be heavily forested,becuase the only way to beat romans is through guerrilla tactics http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Swoosh So]

Ijust hope its not 3d they ruined the baldurs gate series by making it 3d neverwinter nights is crap :0 if it isent broken dont try to fix it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Sandy-San]

i think rome makes sense - similar sort of territory to MTW in terms of provinces, you can fit the rise and fall into a discrete time period rather than taking the Age of Empires idea of mixing civs from different time periods, you'd get a range of units, but you might find that only roman factions are playable, with barbarians and carthaginians etc as rebels.

but i am sure we will find out soon enough....

[Knight_Yellow]

Watever it is i hope for the luv of god that there might be a throne room and maybe just maybe a chance to "talk" with ur generals heirs etc. like in a Deus ex type scene, but without the guns and robots.

[MonkeyMan]

Quote[/b] (Swoosh So @ Dec. 18 2002,13:12)]Ijust hope its not 3d they ruined the baldurs gate series by making it 3d neverwinter nights is crap :0 if it isent broken dont try to fix it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Wasn't making it 3d that ruined it, it was the complete lack of a decent story and the fact you only had 1 guy. It made it about as much fun as a bad diablo clone.

It was made for a different audience really but i agree that it sucked in comparion and now sits on my shelf never to be played again.

[TenkiSoratoti]

Well as a proud subscriber to PC GAMER, i shall be getting an early copy, once i get it ill post up what it says.

[Kraxis]

I think it will be Rome, there are plenty of possible factions and plenty of units. Remember they have to keep up with Medieval to continue it.

But in reality I hope for Ancient Greece... ahhh Hoplites and Peltastos, even chariots and axemen from Persia... I could go on.

[TenkiSoratoti]

You could but lets not make things too complicated lest we are disapointed.

[Lichgod]

How about Conan Total War? I have played the PBM game Hyborian War. It begs to be converted to the PC. Of course, they would have to get the license...

Still, lots of nations (30+?), lots of unclaimed land, sea battles, key leaders, magic (to a limited degree), and one nation has it's standard troop type called The Dead - undead medium infantry. hehehe

[Ckrisz]

The only way to beat the Romans was through guerilla tactics?

Caudine Forks. Heraclea (a Pyrrhic victory is still a victory). Carrhae. Adrianapole. Teutoberg Forest. Cannae. Trasimene & Trebbia. You could go on and on with Roman defeats in major battles --- Rome was the military superpower in the ancient Mediterranean world, but they were not invincible. That's what would make Ancient: Total War such a great game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[hoof]

I, personally, don't mind 3d as long as it doesn't reduce the numbers of troops onscreen at one time.

Wouldn't it be great to see battles with 10,000+ troops *per side* regularly in a TW game? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

I vote for bigger battlefields, no more 16-unit limits, and a setup where tens of thousands of troops are fighting on a regular basis.

If it's a choice between 10x the numbers of troops or 3d, I'd pick 10x every time.

[Kraellin]

hehe, ah me, they never listen.... the important part of that quote has NOTHING to do with what era or faction
Quote[/b] ]...see the secret sequel that will change strategy gaming forever.

THAT is the important part of that quote focus your speculations on that.

K.

[Divine Wind]

War elephants Give me war elephants

[SmokWawelski]

Quote[/b] ]Wouldn't it be great to see battles with 10,000+ troops *per side* regularly in a TW game?

I vote for bigger battlefields, no more 16-unit limits, and a setup where tens of thousands of troops are fighting on a regular basis.

The number ot units would be too much to controll, I guess, and this is why the 16 units limit was put in place. It was probably determined by "scientific research and playtesting" done by two 15-years old cousins of some of the developers.

I think that the game will stay in the same era, the changes will be elsewhere....

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[ToranagaSama]

Quote[/b] (Kraellin @ Dec. 18 2002,15:49)]hehe, ah me, they never listen.... the important part of that quote has NOTHING to do with what era or faction
Quote[/b] ]...see the secret sequel that will change strategy gaming forever.

THAT is the important part of that quote focus your speculations on that.

K.
Forget it Kraellin, they're off into their own world.

Dealing in reality, WHAT could CA possibly be up to that will change strategy gaming forever?

The only thing I can think of that would do that would be successfully implementing Campaign Multiplay. That would truly change things forever, but I don't that's it.

Gosh, I hate hype

[PatrickNeil]

Right, I got it... Medieval Total War

Oh, god damn...

[Lehesu]

Perhaps CA wants to get a title into the Civilization style games i.e. strategy starting in ancient and advancing to future? Implausible, I know, but perhaps CA is planning on expanding their expertise? (Plus they get to tack on that "From the Makers of MTW; Civilization: Total War")

[deejayvee]

It's probably going to be a new engine of some kind. Which could mean one of a few things:

1. Some sort of almalgamation between the Battle engine and the Strategy map. I kind of hope not because that's starting to get more like AOE and clones.
2. A different type of warfare - i.e. in a different era. Could be either: Gunpowder era (Renaissance, Napoleonics, WWI, WWII, etc.), Future era with lasers and spaceships, or Fantasy with magic.
3. Some kind of revolutionary online game with, as ToranagaSama suggested, multiplayer campaigns.

They're just my ideas. But I think if you're going to try and guess the era that it is set, we need to think of why it's going to change strategy gaming forever. I mean, if they just do the same engine but with Ancients, it's not even going to be revolutionary within the Total War series.

[desdichado]

Quote[/b] (faisal @ Dec. 19 2002,00:02)]triremes and rams would be cool(in sea battles)the game should be heavily forested,becuase the only way to beat romans is through guerrilla tactics http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif
well Hannibal (the one with the elephant (single) all the rest died crossing the alps) did a pretty good job of beating the romans (on their own soil&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif for about twenty years and he didn't always need forests - just more cavalry - and he was quite often outnumbered. 40k (mostly celts) against 80k romans at Canae and he smashed them.

woops - I just saw Ckrisz already covered this

To be honest I don't know what else you could do apart from maybe napleonics TW. I'd be happy with either ancient or napoleonics

[SmokWawelski]

Grow up my friends: this is only a game of words. How many times do you hear phrases like: the revolutionary game, the game that will change the gamming community forever, the break of a new gaming era, the best XYZ game ever, instant blockbuster....

CA wants to sell their product and we have to buy it from them, so what else do you expect them to say: well, it is only a bunch of new units and expanded map? Civilization did some MP games and it did not change the community as far as I am concerned, and I have spent a LOT of time playing it.

I want this Xpack to be good, but I am not expecting too much. As far as wording, you should see my resume...

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

[Kongamato]

I am going to give my ideas now. I want a game that is balanced, and wont offend anyone's nationality if it is so. Give me sci-fi or fantasy, just dont give me a fan population of people arguing why some unit got shafted/misrepresented. My hopes? Something that isnt realistic.

[Dionysus9]

My guess has been Napoleonics ever since I heard they were having canons in MTW. Either Napoleonics or they will just skip to US Civil War.

Of course, I hope they go back in time instead of forward. Artillery isnt very interesting to me.


Heheh, oh yeah and the guys with the elephants was Hannibal from Carthage. Alexander's hallmark was heavy cav (the companions).

[Draksen]

Quote[/b] (hoof @ Dec. 18 2002,14:18)]I, personally, don't mind 3d as long as it doesn't reduce the numbers of troops onscreen at one time.

Wouldn't it be great to see battles with 10,000+ troops *per side* regularly in a TW game? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

I vote for bigger battlefields, no more 16-unit limits, and a setup where tens of thousands of troops are fighting on a regular basis.

If it's a choice between 10x the numbers of troops or 3d, I'd pick 10x every time.
IT IS IMPORTANT :

I'm afraid that, if they decide to go full 3D, we will have to buy a 4.5 GHz, 1024 Mb RAM,
and, at least a GeForce VIII 512 Mb Video RAM ...

mmm...

I'm afraid.

[Swoosh So]

I think it will be a game true to history, So ill have to wait for my fantasy total war http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif (Not long tho i hope http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )

[solypsist]

hannibal

that's all i'm saying.

[SmokWawelski]

Correct me if I am wrong, but since the title says something about Vikings and their invasions maybe they decided to make it ABOUT VIKINGS AND THEIR INVASIONS?? Well, maybe not the Europeans, but their quest to the Americas?

How much do they have in common with all your ideas? Mhh, a regiment of trusted old Vikings at the side of Napoleon, or maybe piloting some Mechs, or kicking ugly green butts?

Why not call it Alexander, if it was supposed to be about him, or Hannibal if it was supposed to be about elephants, or Fantasy War if it was supposed to be about wizards and Orcs?? Ohh, beware, because next time you buy something called SOAP, you will end up buying a pack of GLUE........

[Lion King]

LOL, oh well LOL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

anyways, if you want fantasy TW, wait till my mod is finished, it will have all the wizards, orcs, elves and dwarves youll ever want. i heard there is also another fantasy mod in development as well, so you thirst will be quenched soon by either MOD.

[andy119]

listen to kraelin guys. The game will not go fantsasy dont qoute me on that lol. It will stay around the medieval to -napoleonic period me thinks. I reackon they wont chage the unit siz or the game engine but i cant guess what they will do. All we can do is wait with bated breath lol and pray 56 k ppl will be able to play *mumbleas about no good anoying adsl players" lol
ps im jealous :P http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[solypsist]

Quote[/b] ]Correct me if I am wrong, but since the title says something about Vikings and their invasions maybe they decided to make it ABOUT VIKINGS AND THEIR INVASIONS?? Well, maybe not the Europeans, but their quest to the Americas?



what we're talking about is "Total War 3", right? Not the Viking Expansion set for MTW. or am I reading things the wrong way

[SmokWawelski]

Point taken, yet from the previous posts it looked like it was about the Xpack as well...

[Forward Observer]

Just as Krae say, everybody needs to be thinking out side of the box. Sure, they could make Roman, Ancient, Napoleonic, or Revolutionary Total war, but if they use exactly the same engine and style of play, about all it will be, is the current game with new skins, units, and equipment.

OK, I also know that most of us would buy it anyway, but I suspect that the gameplay would begin to get to be a bit stale, just like all of those Sierra "city building game" clones. I think Emperor is their latest, and from what I have read it is just a rehash of Pharaoh or Caesar set to a different time and place.

I too, am skeptical when I hear terms like "revolutionary" or "change strategy gaming forever", but C.A. pulled it off pretty well the first time with the revolutionary gameShogun, and then surprised the hell out of everyone with MTW as a follow up.

Creative Assembly seems to be a pretty apt name for these guys, so I for one, can hardly wait to hear what they have up their sleeves.

Cheers

[PSYCHO]

Dito Forward Observer

[Kraellin]

Quote[/b] ]THE NEXT TOTALWAR GAME First there was shogun, then medieval. Now, for the first time ever, see the secret sequel that will change strategy gaming forever.


well, that statement doesnt really specify whether they're talking about the upcoming ex-pack or TW3. but, i would be very surprised if CA was releasing sneak previews to game mags about TW3 at this point...just a bit early for that, so, i've gotta believe this is about the ex-pack.

and, given that the other rumor is about vikings in the ex-pack, that kind of narrows things a bit. but, again, the important part of that quote seems to be 'change strategy gaming forever.' part. so, what would change strat gaming forever?

we've got a turn based campaign map and real time tactical battles with up to 25,000 men on the field at one time. adding in real time sea battles would be nice, but hardly revolutionary in gaming terms; sid meier was doing that on 8 bit machines 15 years ago.

we've all seen full 3d games. the net is loaded with 3d shooters and that one can play on and offline. nothing really all that new there.

massive multiplayer tactical? umm, i dont think so. not yet, anyways. besides, the emphasis was on 'strategy gaming'.

multiplayer campaign? i think CA would really like to do this, but i dont think they can see the justification economically yet. that would be a big gamble and when your survival rests on a game being a hit...um, i dont think so.

sounds like it doesnt leave much, eh? how do you change strategy gaming forever? ok, i'm gonna go out on a limb here and speculate a bit. strategy gaming is about strategy, not tactics. strategy is about the campaign map then, or mostly so. tactics deal mostly with what you do on the field of battle. we've got a good tactical game. sure, there's room for some improvements, but it's pretty damn good. so, what do you do with the campaign aspect to revolutionize it?

a nice 3d campaign map would be nice, but hardly the stuff that changes strat gaming forever. so, what then? now, being a good strat game person, i normally associate strat games with turns. i take my turn, you take your turn and calculate the results. it's a direct association with all the old board games one has ever played. your turn, my turn.

so, what do you do to change all that? the answer is pretty simple; remove the turns. in the real world, an instant of time is a 'turn', so to speak. we just take them at the same time. you move and i move at the same time is all. so, if you make the game time based, and mind you i DIDNT say 'real time', i just said time based, then you've got a new strat game. if all your moves on the strat map take X amount of time, based on distances and terrain barriers, opponents and so forth, you get a MUCH more realistic game experience.

now, realism isnt always what gamers want, but in this instance, i think it would be. it bugs me a bit that i can invade denmark, by sea, from somewhere like khazar, in one turn. yes, i understand it's a year turn, but it also takes a year to walk over the border from navarre to aragon and 3 years to go from wessex to scotland...seems a bit odd, doesnt it. if you time base it, all these oddities go away, or mostly so, anyways. it would still be interesting how they would do sea invasions acoss an entire trade route as trade routes currently work.

the real beauty of this would be timing. you are adding in that real world trickster of tricksters, timing. can the cavaltry arrive in time? will my emissary reach the enemy in time to prevent, or start, a war? can i time this invasion by sea to coincide with my invasion by land? can i slip my ships past the enemy blockade by timing it right?

now, the reason i specifically said time based and not real time, is that you dont want it to be real time. that shld be pretty obvious. but more specifically, you want to be able to control time on the strat map, slow it down and speed it up....from time to time ;)

my biggest question on all this, however, is, does CA have the time to do this for just an ex-pack release? normally, these take a lot less time than a full blown new game.

hehe, ok, so i'm getting WAY ahead of myself. all of this is based on the notion that my speculations are correct...i suppose only time will tell ;)

K.

[ShadesWolf]

A little more info for you. I receive the PCGAMER newsletter,and this is what it has to say about the preview


Quote[/b] ]......A new one just begun
So that's what's on the shelves now. But how about a few choice snippets about what lies in wait for you in the new year? Well, the issue we're finishing now - right now, in fact, so I'd better sign off soon - has on the cover a genuine scoop. We've got a massive in-depth preview of the
next Total War game, and we've been absolutely blown away by it in every way. It looks utterly brilliant. And we're not going to tell you what it is. Not yet. But soon. The new issue goes on sale on 16th January, complete with a stunning rolling demo on the discs

So for me the interesting bits are Rolling demo and massive in-depth preview. Also the words 'And we've been absolutely blown away by it in every way.'

[FesterShinetop]

I've heard it's gonna be Lego Total war, build your own castle with the colourful stones...

Or maybe Army Men: Total war play huge battles with the green toy soldiers

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

But I guess it's just gonna be about the expansion pack, can't imagine they're allready working on a new total war

[DrNo]

Kraelin, you been over at DD's site recently, we had a discussion on time and distance for strategy map over there.
Take a look:

http://www.fourbelowzero.com/cgi-bin....601;p=1 (http://www.fourbelowzero.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=14;t=000601;p=1)

It's what TW is crying out for now to really get things going. Remember Powermonger etc.. on Amiga. Would be somthing like that on a much much larger scale.
The possibilities are immense but I don't think this will be in the add on for MTW, much more likely to be a complete new release in a couple of years time.

[TenkiSoratoti]

Well actually CA were working on medieval when shogun was being made, but the new total war is going to change the face of the RTS genre apparently so maybe medieval was made to keep the support???

[Shiro]

I'm not alone in hoping for Rome: Total War I'm sure. Such great possibilities.

[gabrielvilleda]

I think what it will be is a WWI era total war game. Just imagine all the untapped ideas that lie in that era. You would have trench warfare, artillery, and since planes wern't that dominant at the time you wouldn't have to worry about it becoming a bombing fest. I am drooling that this is it because WWI seems to me to be the most horrfic war I can think of. Imagine your men in trenches with the newly invented machine gun across from while artillery shells blow up in the background. Oh yeah don't forget the gas.

Or I could be wrong and it could be about romans.

[FesterShinetop]

Don't think it's ever gonna be WWI, you just said it yourself... men in trenches shooting at each other... where's the fun in that? No, the earlier wars are far more interesting because movement of men was far more prominent.

Oh, and Powermonger... now that was a great game

[Kraellin]

dr. no,

yes, i may have been speaking more out of my wish for what's coming rather than any prescient or logical foresight. buy hey, i'm a dreamer, so i'm automatically forgiven when i'm wrong ;)

and no, i havent been to DD's site and your link just took me to a registration page and i wasnt inclined, at the moment to add another site registration to my list and couldnt view the topics as a guest, i guess, so didnt see it.

it may be all hype. maybe. but i've got a good feeling about what is coming and CA isnt done pulling rabbits out of their hats yet. of that, i'm quite sure. we'll just have to bribe gil, or if that doesnt work, get a bunch of us with rubber hoses to corner him somewhere. oh gi-il, old friend and buddy ;)

K.

[TenkiSoratoti]

Hmmm im afraid i have tried but alas Gil stays loyal and will not tell me

[AgentBif]

SMURF: Total War

[DrNo]

Kraellin,

Totally understand about not wanting to register on yet another site so basically what you mentioned about the strategy map going into semi-real time and distances rather than regions was just the sort of ideas we dreamt up too.
It's obviously the way strategy games need to go to progress towards a more accurate representation of real life, so it's no surprise that so many people think of this type of change. Lets hope CA are going this down path and will come up with a real dream of a game.
The ideas and improved gameplay that come from this type of change just flood out and would make MTW look rather amateurish in comparison. Currently though MTW is the greatest game so I'm off to play it somemore.

[TenkiSoratoti]

Quote[/b] (DrNo @ Dec. 23 2002,09:07)]Currently though MTW is the greatest game so I'm off to play it somemore.
I wish I could agree with you there Dr No http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[MF_Ivan]

I think it will be Napoleonic, its not what i hope it will be its what i think. Ancient MTW would be nice, but quite frankly there is nothing new in it. The gunpowder age is the next thing; booming cannons, cracks of rifles, shouting of huge formations and of course the blinding smoke. I cant imagine anything otherwise.

[Al Qasim Hussein]

Napoleonic sounds likely, now that you mention it. You could even expand into Africa and India, say, and fight your Zulus and whatnot. I know the map would be huge...but still, it has possibilities that aren't unappealing.

[Stormer]

ok iv just got promoted to seniour patron and i have been following this post for a while now just couldnt reply http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif but now i can im gonna put my thoughts across.

ok for a start i dont think it will be anceint totalwar because its just not got the scene in it and wouldnt be as much fun.

napolianic totalwar, no i dont think so mainly because its not in the right timezone how fun would lining guns up and waiting for them to die be.. not really the exciting bit would be the the odd dragons coeming riding in to chop some muskeets up.

world war 1: totalwar lets not even get started on that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

Roman : totalwar, now we talking this is what i would most like to see and i think is one of the most likely to become we will sure find out soon http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

finally what i think it will be is that add on Viknig Totalwar and the quote the used is just a big maket scam to get sappers like us to get over excited about. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

well thats my thought how about you... you agree and totally dissagree?

[hoom]

Quote[/b] ]SMURF: Total War
ROFL http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

Ants:TW?

Starship Troopers:TW would be cool

I can see Napoleon:TW being good too. Loads of people per battle, realtime ship battles, GeforceFX/DirectX9 visuals, city view, classical fortification, continuous fully 3d fully zoomable strategy map...

I don't want to see a break from turn based strategy/real time tactical. Realtime has already been tried by the likes of Rebellion and didn't really work too well. Perhaps with a better interface...

LOTR:TW would rock (would be very different to M/S:TW, but its EA that has the rights and CA is working for Activision http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

Ancient:TW? Maybe...

WWII:TW could get interesting, especially if it has a longer time span including Korea and maybe even Vietnam, but it would also be very different from the Cav/Missile/Foot that we all so love...

Total Annihilation:TW I'd like that http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Starcraft:TW http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
The Idiran War:TW? Fans of Ian M Banks will know what I'm talking about

Starwars:Clone Wars:TW?

[jas]

Quote[/b] (gabrielvilleda @ Dec. 21 2002,17:43)]I think what it will be is a WWI era total war game. Just imagine all the untapped ideas that lie in that era. You would have trench warfare ... Oh yeah don't forget the gas.
Mud: Total War.

[Leet Eriksson]

Caliph totalwar http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif ok for muslims its interesting becuase you'll get several possibilities but i don't think alot of ppl are interested in it http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif anyways i will bother and tell you of the several different factions(if they ever thought about it):

1.Hashimites
2.Hamadans
3.Abbasids
4.Ommayd in spain
5.Sheiks of the coast(oman)
6.Bediouns
7.Persians
8.Ghaznavids
9.Samanians
10.Khawarizmians
11.Ikshids
12.Fatimids

well its not the "NEXT" TW game but i think a sequel to shogun is possible.either this or viking invasion.

[HopAlongBunny]

Peloponesian: TW

Sparta, Athens, Carthage
Who could ask for anything more? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Kraellin]

ok, i have it on fairly good authority that this is the next in the TW series, after the expansion pack of course.

http://home.domaindlx.com/takiyama/kraellin/starwarsMtw1-k-1.gif

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

K.

[Leet Eriksson]

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[Spino]

These days the term 'revolutionary' is as overused and abused as the word 'genius' so let's take what PC Gamer says with a grain of salt, shall we?

Since the previous Total Wars dealt primarily with the single player experience I am guessing that the next installment features a drastically overhauled multiplayer experience. Multiplayer campaigns? Multiplayer campaigns in realtime? Dare I even venture to say that the next Total War installment is a MASSIVE MULTIPLAYER ONLINE GAME??? Sounds silly but people, there is some serious cash to be made in the online arena. Just look at the phenomenal success of Everquest, Asheron's Call and Dark Age of Camelot. It's amazing how quickly the coffers fill when you have thousands if not hundreds of thousands of people paying $10/month to play...

I hope the campaign aspect of Total War has NOT been altered to be a true realtime experience. The strategic game can get incredibly complicated and I would I would much rather see a turn based system with a simultaneous execution of orders (i.e. the 'wego' format of the Combat Mission series) to replace the current pseudo-simultaneous system.

So what else would make the next Total War game revolutionary?

- AI controlled subordinates/generals on the battlefield? Give them a few basic orders and let them carry out your commands as they see fit. This would allow for massive single player battles like those epic 4 vs. 4 battles we see online.

- Sea warfare. It's not the most original idea (Age of Sail series anyone?) but people would go crazy for it. Tactical land and sea battles in the same game is unheard of.

I sincerely hope the sequel isn't a musket/gunpowder era game. As much as I'm dying to play a tactical/strategic Napoleonic wargame (I'm still heartbroken over Empire's bug ridden tease known as Napoleon 1813) I don't think the engine can do the period justice. There would be way too much going on for a single person to direct a battle properly in realtime. Not to mention the fact that there would too few units on the battlefield for it to even look right. Given the massive scale of Napoleonic battles and the increased complexity of the battlefield dynamic the Total War engine would need a massive overhaul to do the era justice. As of right now I think we can all agree that the Total War engine is better suited to melee-centric battles with smaller numbers of troops.

Regarding the era my money's on ANCIENT: TOTAL WAR. Greeks and Romans and Carthaginians, oh my

Whatever CA does for the sequel I hope the AI is given first priority.

Kraellin, don't even joke about crap like that... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif It makes me think of titles like THE LORD OF THE RINGS: TOTAL WAR... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (Kraellin @ Dec. 21 2002,21:45)]we'll just have to bribe gil, or if that doesnt work, get a bunch of us with rubber hoses to corner him somewhere. oh gi-il, old friend and buddy ;)
I see, that's how you repay my kindness and affection is it? If you're not nice I'll make you all watch The Two Towers on permanent repeat.

Well, I'm on holiday until the New Year... you can build up your cash accounts until then, and thereafter try your best to bribe me until Jan 16th when sadly it will be too late. Please don't be stingy; there may be no moral difference between a five-dollar sellout and a fifty-thousand dollar sellout, but there's a big financial difference and it's the sellout who gets to enjoy it.

Gil

PS Happy Christmas

[_Martyr_]

..and what would be so terrible about Lord of the Rings?? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif
I would love to see lotr:total war Well maybe I would prefer if it included all of tolkiens books

I had that same thought about AI subordinates, it would increase the level of complexity of battles and make for incredible moments of gameplay

Gil, cant you just say if the third tw has been mentioned here, or are we all way off? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/flirt.gif PLEASE

I have a feeling its roman though

[Kraellin]

hehehe,

merry christmas, gil :)

K.

[scotchedpommes]

Is it set in stone that the next game will be Rome: TW?

My hope would have been something based around the time of WWI or failing that, Napoleonic era.

While people may laugh a WWI game down and say that gameplay would be fairly non-existant, I would say that it is a misunderstanding that WWI was restricted to trenches. It was not locked like this in the West till the Marne, and the fighting was far more fluid elsewhere. However, I do not see a TW engine dealing with this effectively. Especially squad level warfare. (although the prospect of a constant massively multiplayer WWI, - or dare I whisper WWII - TW game is interesting)

I think Napoleonic could (almost) be ruled out because of battle scale.

I think it seems likely that Rome will be the subject of the next game, although I really hope not. I think that would be a step backwards (not just in time&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif for the series.

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year
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[NagatsukaShumi]

Lets just say that if it is Rome Total War I'll be pissed seen as I've started doing my Rome MOD again

Anyways, enough of grumpy me. I'd like to see a Romance of the Three Kingdoms version, the whole era is interesting plus I'm a huge Dynasty Warriors and RTK fan so there we go.

If you want to bribe Gil then find his weakness, geese, it's the oldest rule in the book guys. Your even letting him get away for the next few days weeks or whatever.

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (NagatsukaShumi @ Dec. 25 2002,17:07)]If you want to bribe Gil then find his weakness, geese, it's the oldest rule in the book guys. Your even letting him get away for the next few days weeks or whatever.
I can safely say that my weakness is not geese. Money offers only please.

[Jango Fett]

ahahaha

[Ueriah]

I'd LOVE to see Hyborian: Total War.

Didn't they have winged reptiles as a troop type? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif And Vendhya's Mammoths? Whoot

I've played Nemedia, Stygia, Turan, the Border Kingdom, and Shem.

[bosdur]

So Sora, have you got the magazine yet ? I checked out January's US PC magazine today and found nothing mentioned about the game http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif . I figure you should have it in your hands now ?

[Emp.Dacosta]

Maybe someone who lives in Littlehampton could just track down Gil and beat his nerdly face till he says all. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[solypsist]

looking at all these posts, replies, and threads, I can't think of a better reason for producing Total War Construction Set.

[Antalis::]

Its ROME

Yeah I always loved to see an ancient-TW

Look at this screens:

http://www.gamestar.de/aktuell....me=Rome (http://www.gamestar.de/aktuell/ggalerie.php?bildname=../aktuell/galerie/200212/rome/rome&bildanzahl=6&seite=1&neu=0&id=477&name=Rome)

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (Emp.Dacosta @ Dec. 28 2002,15:49)]Maybe someone who lives in Littlehampton could just track down Gil and beat his nerdly face till he says all. ;)
You're about twenty years out of date with the thought that games programmers are defenceless balls of lard. Well, OK, some games programmers in America are defenceless balls of lard, but nowhere near as many as once was the case. And in the UK the industry average is now a twenty-nine-year-old marathon runner. Mess with CA staff and You're Going Home In A Total Ambulance. Er, at least that's if you pick on the average or better ones, anyway.

Anyway, no-one knows where Littlehampton is; they all confuse it with Littlehaven or Littleport.

[Emp.Dacosta]

I know where it is and how to get there, but I just can't be bothered to go to some remote village. Besides, most of the staff from CA are nerds - they just stare at computer screens figuiring out how to make the AI on medieval total war more realistic. Their eyes glow in the dark, and they are unbelievably pale. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

[barocca]

It's rome - check the site news on the front page of the Org,
and many thanks go to the patrons of EH for their excellent detective work
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[HopAlongBunny]

Quote[/b] (solypsist @ Dec. 28 2002,16:31)]looking at all these posts, replies, and threads, I can't think of a better reason for producing Total War Construction Set.
True. It will never happen because there is more money in expansions...even if all they do is patch the previous release http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Martok]

Personally, I'm still hoping for LOTR: Total War, although Rome would be a good second choice. And yes, I know the odds of CA getting the LotR license is only slightly better than me winning the lottery; but I would, at any rate, love to see a fantasy Total War game. As someone else said, the idea of a few thousand Orcs rushing down the hillside is a very appealing one. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Swoosh So]

The problem in going 3d is that they will probably scrape by on other areas, I dont expect the game to have many new features, Sad but true look at neverwinter nights as far as detail and features go it was worse than baldurs gate 1, I hope we dont end up going backwards instead of forwards going 3d with the totalwar series http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

[fenir]

Like Kraxis says, there are plenty of Factions in the rise of Rome period.

Atleast 5 or 6 main hellenic, Cathago, several Italians, hispanics, celts where different nations, Germanic tribes, even some slavic. Not to mention Perisa, Egypt.

I wonder how relgion will be handled????

As Christianity is 500 years after the founding of Rome and Islam is 1100 Years.


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[Kraxis]

Religion... Yes that is a big aspect.

I guess there will be several big religions, the Greek, the Roman and the Persian at the very least. Then in time perhaps the Christians will appear. Can you imagine a few of those events where there are a couple about Jesus. Then you have some forewarning of the Christians.

[CBR]

Hmm religon...

To me its some annoying thing you check once in a while heh.

I wouldnt mind if it just goes away and focus more on diplomacy/loyalty/trade

Religion didnt play that big a role compared to the Middleages. And I have never felt it added much to the game anyway, thats just my opinion ofc.

CBR

[Stormer]

gah just take the pope on mtw for example what a annoying Pr*ck i would of done loads od camapgins if not for him nm now i own him at the begginng http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/shock.gif

[chilliwilli]

Well Roman and Greek religions were exactly the same. Only difference is Rome changed the names of The Gods.

I think we will just end up with everyone being pagan and your culture will perform the same function that religion does in MTW. Which is the way it should be. Your architecture should depend on who you are as a people not what religion you follow.

[Lord Krazy]

Quote[/b] (GilJaysmith @ Dec. 28 2002,19:10)]
Quote[/b] (Emp.Dacosta @ Dec. 28 2002,15:49)]Maybe someone who lives in Littlehampton could just track down Gil and beat his nerdly face till he says all. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif
You're about twenty years out of date with the thought that games programmers are defenceless balls of lard. Well, OK, some games programmers in America are defenceless balls of lard, but nowhere near as many as once was the case. And in the UK the industry average is now a twenty-nine-year-old marathon runner. Mess with CA staff and You're Going Home In A Total Ambulance. Er, at least that's if you pick on the average or better ones, anyway.

Anyway, no-one knows where Littlehampton is; they all confuse it with Littlehaven or Littleport.

Quote[/b] ]the UK the industry average is now a twenty-nine-year-old marathon runner

Gil,
They call them snikers these days http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif
29 That makes me too old http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mecry.gif
btw I know exactly where Littlehampton is.
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/dizzy.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif