Rome:TW, Exp pack ... MTW is disappointing, no?

[Draksen]

Just thinking.... :

During the last 3 days, almost 50% of the posts in this forum are about the xpansion or about the next TW game, Rome.

Players seem to wait for something more, soemthing new.

MTW is out now for a few months (only) and players are not 100% satisfied. Strange (we are in THE community of the game&#33http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

mmm, strange ... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

It seems to be a new tendancy in games : as soon as a game is out, players start waiting for the xpansion, and before the xpansion comes out, they are already waiting for the next game. bah don't like it.

Just my opinion, of course.

[einar]

Yes, i'm not 100 % satisfied. There are bugs in the game and we only have one patch. There won't be more patches, i'll have to buy an expansion that i don't know if it will fix all the mistakes i've detected.

I don't know if i'll buy this expansion. I don't know if i'll buy Rome.

I enjoyed Shogun more than MTW.

[Draksen]

Olen ihan samaa mieltä kuin sinä Einar ...
ööö sori vaan http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

That's the problem with the game :
STW (the original) was a real innovation, a great game, 100% new, 100% original, the best (by far) in its cathegory.
After that STW:MI was just a "not gratis patch", without real innovation (same game in fact), with just few units added and 2 or 3 campaigns.
And the last "product" was MTW, a disguised STW, with few strategic improvements. Great
money, money, money, money ....
3 years to get STW out. Now we will have a new TW in less than 1 year.
money, money, money, money ....
money, money, money, money ....
money, money, money, money ....

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[Rosacrux]

I for one enjoyed MTW way more than Shogun (as I play only SP - and the SP in MTW is way better than Shogun - allthough the MP players have their gripes and I guess they don't complain for nothing) but I can also see that people allways wish for something more.

In the case of MTW, it is really simple: MTW is not a new game, it's merely STW redux. All the additions and the nifty stuff can't hide that this is basically the same game, with several (many) tweaks and additions, but nothing fundamentally new.

So, what are we after? A new game, perhaps. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Daevyll]

I'm so sick of little kids who probably still live with their parents whining on about how CA is trying to make money.
They're a company for crying out loud, making money is the whole point.

They offer you an entertainment package for an amount of cash. Read some reviews, play the demo, then pay or dont pay. Nobody is forcing you to buy it, and if you dont like it then go play Quake, K?

I for one think MTW is brilliant, and will happily shell out for both the expansion and the sequel.

[Draksen]

oh sorry Daevyll, sorry
I have dared to criticize your Saint TotalWar Oh my god

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kids ?
How old are you ? How old do you think I am, mmm, mr. fanboy ?

[Sir Dipthong]

Oh, we all read the reviews alright. Mostly little more than CA publicity releases paraphrased. And if only I had a (UK) fiver every time the analogy to the "RISK like Campaign screen" was trundled out

Clearly (and MTW is not alone here), reviewers did not spend much time with the game as although they all rave about the fantastic diplomacy, for example, not one mentioned that marrying Princesses amounted to nought. That castle sieges are a waste of time, that just clicking on the right unit is an effort due to excessive clutter. Only one or two (Game Zone?) hinted at the excessive micromanagement and clicking required by an inadequate interface.

Crusades, Trade etc etc. there are a lot of features that were mentioned and praised, even though in reality, they aren't well implemented. Assasination is just a glorified die-roll and not worth the half-dozen messages per year, for example.

I feel misled by reviewers with regard to MTW, not that it's a bad game, more not to my taste, which is for more strategic, pause-and-think games (eg Europa Universalis, Civ) rather than RTS click-fests. Yet many reviewers raved about the "historical accuracy" and the Campaign game being brilliant on its own, never mind the battles. These points are untrue. Take away the flash sound & graphics and the campaign game is actually very shallow.

Reviewers are incredibly reluctant to rock the boat, especially with the big releases. Curiously, many of them seem to get their discernment faculties switched back on to maximum only when reviewing small company releases.

[The Last Emperor]

I guess STW with its revolutionising stratigic gameplay cum realtime battle scenes sets such a high standard for MTW to follow up and surpass its predecessor that it became an enormous challenge. i feel that MTW was just the same product(STW) with a new packaging. Other than the many new factions & units, main problematic areas like the castles' battle, diplomacy, trade and to a certain extent historical accuracy wasn't really addressed by the makers. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

Together with the rave revievs MTW received from magzines & gamesites, our expectation was driven out of the roof and so i guess our disappointment was made worse by all those high praise and later on, those unavoidable BUGS http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

However I believe CA can & will improve with all those feedbacks from MTW and knowing that it has done a great job with STW and using it as the steping stone, TW3 will definately attain a higher level to impress all of us again like it did before http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wacko.gif

[Lehesu]

I am satisfied with the Total War series but think, as this thread vindicates, that CrAs will need to come up with something new if the Total War series shall survive as a unique gaming experience. If Rome is just the same with better graphics, Will I buy? Hell no Buy a new computer to play the same game? Nope, not for me.

[Magyar Khan]

there is no reason to believe that how we are treated in teh past by teh devs/producers will be improved in teh future.

save your enermy for teh new whining season, teh only way to get "them" is in their pocket. bad posts from us in here makes them work harder just before and after teh game is released since futurebuyers will check teh boards first.

the patching policy sucks and many know it.

[jeffreyLebowski]

i'm mainly excited because rome appears to have all the things i thought mtw would have. ladders, fights on walls, much better graphics. i mean, mtw is a great game...but god those 2d sprites are ugly as hell. gimme a 3rd dimension, and im in bliss. hehehe.

[Xiahou]

Well Dipthong, the reason that only small companies get bad reviews on their games is simple- advertising dollars.
If a gaming mag gets a game from a huge publisher that spends piles of money advertising in their mag... well how could they possibly give a bad review? If you tell your major advertisers that you think their products suck, well then they'll advertise elsewhere. This is why only small companies bad reviews (usually) http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

And I totally agree that any reviewer who praised the diplomacy system didnt spend much time playing the game. Not to say the game doesnt have some good things going for it- just diplomacy isnt one of them.

[solypsist]

thanks for your opinion.
there are other threads available related to your subject, so please post there.