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Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 09:17

This is time you could be using to point fingers at the scum.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 09:33

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDfBLFyTBM4

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 10:06

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 10:18

Dp's activity looks more standard. Also about 22 per day, but did 27 yesterday and 4 more today.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 10:25

Monty at 12 per day before the 23rd, goes up and down, usually more active since then. Very active on the 23rd.

Need to check and see what was happening on those days that got spikes in activity.

Montmorency

09-29-2016, 10:32

OK, I can't get any solid groupings out of this. It's almost certain one or more scum is outside of my naughty list, but only atheotes and novice are worth looking at by default given what's available (too strong on DP and Riedquat, almost nothing on JHT and Al Sip), and if I'm to default then it should be on Winston or Cuthilius. GH and Pizza can have tonight to 'work their magic'. Should tell us a few things, if GH agrees to jailkeep Pizza, and Pizza agrees to track GH. If Pizza himself is town, then he should give an honest account:

If GH keeps him, then he should admit no result.
If GH keeps someone else, then regardless of GH's alignment so long as Pizza is town he will tell us whom GH visits.

Admittedly, this gives us no information if they are both scum, but that's too much for me ATM. Also, it technically does not tell us that GH is town if Pizza is indicated town. Assume neither is third-party for simplicity.

A visualization:

GH keeps Pizza
GH keeps someone else

Town P/Town G
Pizza reports blocked
Pizza reports GH's activity

Town P/Scum G
Pizza reports blocked
Pizza reports GH activity (risky for GH)

Scum P/Town G
Pizza wildcard
Pizza wildcard

Scum P/Scum G
Yeah right
God help us

Why wouldn't scum Pizza follow the behavior of town Pizza as listed above? Because that would be too reactive and low-reward. Scum Pizza would claim something sure to drive the lynch, such as 'X night-killed Y. Thankfully, there's also a third element in Riedquat to scan GH, even if weakly.

OK, never mind, it doesn't work.

Vote: Winston

I strongly recommend GH and Pizza follow this plan.

Montmorency

09-29-2016, 10:32

Monty at 12 per day before the 23rd, goes up and down, usually more active since then. Very active on the 23rd.

Probably I was leading in the lynch.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 10:34

WH at 11 per day average total, but has very regular spikes in activity over and over, then absent. The spikes are at 34, 24, and 17, which is downward, yet still much more than the 9 per day average he started with. I also think all of this activity is above his baseline.

Montmorency

09-29-2016, 10:34

OK, never mind, it doesn't work.

I forgot to delete this sentence after I figured out the dynamic, disregard it.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 10:38

I saw a lot of talking and a vote for Winston, and the two weren't related. What's your reasoning on Winston?

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 10:45

novice activity irregular, but activity now matches activity toward the beginning of the game.

Montmorency

09-29-2016, 10:50

Day 3 activities. What do you think?

Choxorn

09-29-2016, 10:53

There were zero votes on Pizza. I was just asking for his claim so we could get on with the day.

Wrong. Monty, Cuth, and Pelican all voted Pizza before you did.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 10:54

Murska
Today: 0

Yesterday: 3
27: 10

26: 5
25: 5
24: 0
23: 3
22: 4

21: 3
20: 0

19: 2
18: 0
Activity spike 25/26/27th related to the stork/gh/pizza lynch decision, voted me while pushing GH.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 10:56

Day 3 activities. What do you think?

If I iso'ed you, would I find a case in your history somewhere? Do I have to do that in order to find such a case?

novice

09-29-2016, 11:06

Wrong. Monty, Cuth, and Pelican all voted Pizza before you did.

Huh. My apologies, you're correct.
Well, I wasn't caught up at the time, the day was fresh in my mind, and I wanted to get a pizza claim and get on with the day.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 11:07

Ok wow.

I couldn't find anything resembling a coherent sentence about Winston from Monty, but you did mention him as scum repeatedly.

Not only that, I've found like four other people who insist Winston is scum, and absolutely nothing has happened on that front.

Everyone keeps saying it, no one actually does anything about it. And that's fucking weird.

novice

09-29-2016, 11:07

This is time you could be using to point fingers at the scum.

That was thumbed out going from one customer site to another. I know better than you what I do and don't have time for.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 11:08

I think Winston is town. Surely my lone (?) opinion on that isn't actually stopping anyone, especially if I'm so frigging shady that I've been wagoned for the past 2 straight days for no reason at all, by the way.

novice

09-29-2016, 11:12

What do you think of the mason claim?

We both dropped a minor hint that we knew the other was town:
Newyn: This guy is lock town. Trust me.

Choxorn: What makes you say that? Newyn seems to me like inactive lazy town, kind of like I am.

My first thought was that the Choxorn hint was maybe too minor to be counted as a breadcrumb, but Newyn's breadcrumb is pretty definitive and he's the confirmed townie. So I believe it.

Which makes me trust GH's claim less, since there are so many claimed and confirmed town power roles.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 11:12

That was thumbed out going from one customer site to another. I know better than you what I do and don't have time for.

Let's try this, then.

Give me a time frame where you'll be here for at least 1 hour. We're in the same time zone.

novice

09-29-2016, 11:13

novice

09-29-2016, 11:13

I'll be following the thread for the next four hours.

novice

09-29-2016, 11:23

Assuming Choxorn is town and correcting Stork's color:

6 spaceman98 (Visor, Cuthillius, Montmorency, GeneralHankerchief, CrimsonFox, El Barto)

4 BSmith (spaceman98, Dp101, seireikhaan, Al Sipsclar)
4 CrimsonFox (BSmith, Pelican, atheotes, Choxorn)
4 El Barto (Riedquat, Newyn, Winston Hughes, Stork)

2 Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy, Murska)

1 GeneralHankerchief (novice)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

1 Not Voting: El Barto
End of Day one

--------------------------------------
6 BSmith (novice, Stork, Generalhankerchief, Cuthillius, Dp101, Askthepizzaguy)

3 novice (Visor, atheotes, BSmith)

2 Riedquat (Montmorency, Winston Hughes)

1 Choxorn (Al Sipsclar)
1 CrimsonFox (khaan)
1 Montmorency (Pelican)
1 seireikhaan (CrimsonFox)
1 Visor (Murska)
1 Winston Hughes (johnhughthom)

3 Not Voting: Choxorn, Newyn, Riedquat
End of Day Two.

----------------------------------------------
9 Stork (novice, cuthillius, dp101, Winston, johnhughthom, Askthepizzaguy, choxorn, Newyn, al sipsclar)

5 Askthepizzaguy (montmorency, pelican, riedquat, murska, Stork)

2 novice (atheotes, generalhankerchief)

End of Day Three.

Montmorency

09-29-2016, 11:25

I have been calling Winston outright scum since page 53/post 1776 or whatever.

novice

09-29-2016, 11:39

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 11:39

I have been calling Winston outright scum since page 53/post 1776 or whatever.

Yeah and the problem is I don't understand what you're seeing.

Saying it repeatedly but not being able to articulate what the problem is doesn't change minds or make your point known. That plus your constant screaming that I'm scum has made it impossible to take you seriously.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 11:41

How is Winston scum in plain english that I can follow?

He did X and that was scummy Y format.

Montmorency

09-29-2016, 12:08

Who should report their result first?

If Pizza is scum, what does GH jailing him achieve?
If GH is scum, why do we want him jailing our tracker?

As I said, the exercise is only revealing in regards to Pizza. But that's the gamble I'm willing to take, and anyway Riedquat potentially provides some assurance on GH.

How is Winston scum in plain english that I can follow?

He did X and that was scummy Y format.

He has a habit of scum-reading townies, lynching townies, and focusing attention on townies. Visor, Stork (you heard me), Riedquat (:sad:), DP101, Crimson, you name it.

I have no confidence at all in my ability to make good reads here, and feel like I'm wasting my time even trying.

Tilting at Crimson, then pocketing Crimson once the worm had turned

Hi Crimson. You want me to look at anything?

Sleazing up toward Cuth as soon as Cuth said Winston was being towny; see also Stork wagon.

I've been prepping myself for that kind of scumgame for a while.

But I just keep randing town.

Got to be playing on hard mode.

Aggressive D1 here, meta as lurker when vanilla.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 12:12

So you're suggesting he just really loves being scum and that's what lit a fire under his ass.

Montmorency

09-29-2016, 12:14

Speak for yourself!

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 12:17

Aggressive D1 here, meta as lurker when vanilla.

I'm just trying to make sense of what you said here. You're saying if he were a vanilla town, he'd have much less activity.

Basically the exact thing I just said, but I'm speaking human and you're speaking your own language.

Montmorency

09-29-2016, 12:19

Not really, I'm saying the circular reasoning has enough external validation to warrant a lynch.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 12:26

Will you consolidate with me on suspects we agree on if your wagon on winston goes nowhere?

The scums aren't going to have this much difficulty working together on stuff they purport to agree on.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 12:28

novice

Which names would you lynch today? When you're done with your rainbow post.

Montmorency

09-29-2016, 12:32

I'm more interested in seeing you work in tandem with GH.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 12:38

I'm more interested in seeing you work in tandem with GH.

There's a lynch that happens before that which is far more important.

novice

09-29-2016, 13:37

I'm fiddling with my browser plugin, this post is for the benefit of that plugin.

Player list:

Al Sipsclar alias Al alias Sipsclar alias Sips
Askthepizzaguy alias ATPG alias Pizza
atheotes
Choxorn alias chox
Cuthillius alias cuth
Dp101 alias dp
GeneralHankerchief alias gh alias general alias hanky
johnhughthom alias john alias jht
Montmorency alias monty
Murska
novice
Pelican
Riedquat alias kumquat alias reinquat alias reidquat alias quat
Winston Hughes alias winston alias wh
spaceman98 alias spaceman
BSmith
Stork
El Barto alias Bart
Visor
seireikhaan alias Khaan alias Khan
CrimsonFox alias Crimson alias Fox alias CF
Newyn

atheotes

09-29-2016, 13:42

4 dead town PRs
Choxorn - Mason - looks true.
Pizza - tracker - should resolve itself. Lets see if he can get a track result tonight.
GH - Jailkeeper - doubtful
Winston - softclaimed something - ???

Quat - neutral
We have other PRs. I am assuming the Crimson kill was a one time shot by non town.

I dont believe GH's claim. mainly based on progression to the claim. I also dont like his refusal to speak about his actions. So my vote stays there.
I will try to read up on the dead PRs to see if there were any hints.

novice

09-29-2016, 13:44

Tally as of post 2039:

Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page26showthread.php?152111&p=2053715827#post2053715827), Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page26showthread.php?152111&p=2053715830#post2053715830), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page26showthread.php?152111&p=2053715841#post2053715841))
3 votes: novice (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page26showthread.php?152111&p=2053716018#post2053716018), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page26showthread.php?152111&p=2053716034#post2053716034), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page26showthread.php?152111&p=2053716082#post2053716082))
1 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Pelican (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page26showthread.php?152111&p=2053715766#post2053715766))
1 votes: Winston Hughes (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page26showthread.php?152111&p=2053716098#post2053716098))

Voting history:
Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

Murska

Unvote

novice

Novice

Novice

Winston Hughes

novice

09-29-2016, 13:49

Day 1 tally, as of post 429:

Lynch votes
6 votes: spaceman98 (Visor (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713083#post2053713083), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713331#post2053713331), Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713359#post2053713359), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713365#post2053713365), CrimsonFox (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713367#post2053713367), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713406#post2053713406))
4 votes: El Barto (Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053712917#post2053712917), Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713120#post2053713120), Winston Hughes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713167#post2053713167), Stork (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713402#post2053713402))
4 votes: BSmith (spaceman98 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713246#post2053713246), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713250#post2053713250), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713296#post2053713296), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713350#post2053713350))
3 votes: CrimsonFox (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713073#post2053713073), atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713089#post2053713089), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713216#post2053713216))
1 votes: Winston Hughes (johnhughthom (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713144#post2053713144))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713185#post2053713185))
1 votes: Cuthilius (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053712994#post2053712994))
1 votes: Cuthillion (Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713021#post2053713021))
1 votes: Crimso Fox (Pelican (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page6showthread.php?152111&p=2053713074#post2053713074))

Voting history:
spaceman98

Dp101

Newyn

Montmorency

Riedquat

Stork

Novice

Winston Hughes

GeneralHankerchief

Murska

El Barto

Cuthilius

Cuthillion

johnhughthom

CrimsonFox

CrimsonFox

El Barto

CrimsonFox

Crimso Fox

BSmith

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

novice

spaceman98

CrimsonFox

El Barto

Winston Hughes

El Barto

novice

El Barto

GeneralHankerchief

CrimsonFox

CrimsonFox

novice

General Handkerchief

bsmith

BSmith

BSmith

BSmith

El Barto

visor

Bsmith

spaceman98

El Barto

spaceman98

pelican

BSmith

CrimsonFox

spaceman98

El Barto

spaceman98

spaceman98

spaceman98

spaceman98

Unvote

El Barto

spaceman98

novice

09-29-2016, 13:52

Day 2 tally, as of post 1210:

Lynch votes
6 votes: BSmith (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714356#post2053714356), Stork (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714430#post2053714430), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714532#post2053714532), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714537#post2053714537), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714538#post2053714538), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714547#post2053714547))
2 votes: novice (Visor (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053713857#post2053713857), atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714107#post2053714107))
2 votes: Riedquat (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714250#post2053714250), Winston Hughes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714457#post2053714457))
1 votes: CrimsonFox (seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714021#post2053714021))
1 votes: Choxorn (Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053713983#post2053713983))
1 votes: Montmorency (Pelican (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053713741#post2053713741))
1 votes: Winston Hughes (johnhughthom (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053713914#post2053713914))
1 votes: seireikhaan (CrimsonFox (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714042#post2053714042))
1 votes: Visor (Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714310#post2053714310))
1 votes: BSmith! (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page16showthread.php?152111&p=2053714549#post2053714549))

Voting history:
CrimsonFox

Choxorn

Montmorency

Montmorency

Montmorency

Montmorency

Stork

bsmith

Cuthillius

Montmorency

Dp101

Unvote

novice

Riedquat

Pelican.

Winston Hughes

Riedquat

Choxorn

CrimsonFox

CrimsonFox

seireikhaan

Riedquat

novice.

Novice

Riedquat

Unvote

Visor

BSmith

Unvote

Bsmith

Novice

Riedquat

Winston Hughes

Winston Hughes

novice

Novice

BSmith

bsmith

BSmith

BSmith

BSmith!

novice

09-29-2016, 13:55

Day 3 tally, as of post 1753:

Lynch votes
9 votes: Stork (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053714901#post2053714901), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053714930#post2053714930), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053714986#post2053714986), Winston Hughes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053715094#post2053715094), johnhughthom (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053715146#post2053715146), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053715429#post2053715429), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053715476#post2053715476), Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053715496#post2053715496), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053715501#post2053715501))
5 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053714842#post2053714842), Pelican (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053714996#post2053714996), Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053715331#post2053715331), Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053715443#post2053715443), Stork (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053715513#post2053715513))
2 votes: Novice (atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053715266#post2053715266), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053715446#post2053715446))
1 votes: General: Handkerchief (CrimsonFox (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play/page22showthread.php?152111&p=2053715050#post2053715050))

Voting history:
Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

Stork

stork

stork

Stork

Askthepizzaguy

General: Handkerchief

Stork

Stork

Novice

Choxorn

Askthepizzaguy

Riedquat

Stork

Askthepizzaguy

novice

Stork

Stork

Stork

Cuthalion

Askthepizzaguy

novice

09-29-2016, 14:11

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novice

09-29-2016, 14:18

My lynch preferences:
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
Al Sipsclar
Montmorency

Not really willing to lynch, but continuing the list:
Cuthillius
Pelican
Dp101
Riedquat
Askthepizzaguy
Murska
Winston Hughes
atheotes
Choxorn
novice

novice

09-29-2016, 14:31

I ISO'ed Al Sipsclar, didn't take long. His only post of substance is this one:

I've read up to this post and just want to mention that I'm also fighting the urge to vote Monty, being kinda out-of-towner myself, so I guess I'm part of that hive mind myself. I only played one game with Monty (he's town, me - scum) so it was not enough to learn his style.

I was ready to vote El Barto today, so I do think he's a lynchbait and would be an unorthodox kill choice for mafia.

This is not the first time Visor is lynching town Spaceman on D1 for posting like Spaceman.

Dp101 reminds me of Cass with his (her? preferred pronouns?) thorough approach to the game. Not alignment indicative, though.

I'll sheep Visor for now and Vote: choxorn

He has a towny tone but has only voted for confirmed townies, Choxorn, and Stork.
The line "I was ready to vote El Barto today, so I do think he's a lynchbait and would be an unorthodox kill choice for mafia." is a bit cheeky if mafia. He didn't go anywhere N2 (?) according to Pizza. But he stays on my "willing to lynch" list.

Riedquat

09-29-2016, 14:53

Winston - softclaimed something - ???

Okey, would be easier to count the known and the presumably vanillas... :inquisitive:

novice

09-29-2016, 14:58

Guess we're going to have to wait and see what GH and chox have to say for themselves.

I do have an angle here, btw, though to my knowledge I had nothing to do with the situation in question.

I guess this is the softclaim atheotes is referring to.

Dp101

09-29-2016, 15:04

Novice, you going to claim? Or did I miss you doing that.

novice

09-29-2016, 15:10

I don't know if it will activate again when I scan another robot or person of interest to me, but for the time being yes kleptomania is always usable and I guess if my target can kill the result will be like CrimsonFox, a threat to my survival.

Sounds to me like Riedquat's scan can indeed nail GH. And Riedquat has a personal interest in scanning robots, IIUC. So I may be willing to postpone a GH lynch. OTOH scum can just block Riedquat.

Day 3 activities. What do you think?
What are you saying here?

I'm more interested in seeing you work in tandem with GH.
So you think Pizza and GH are scum together after all?

I wanted to say something more but it's slipped my mind.

novice

09-29-2016, 15:10

Novice, you going to claim? Or did I miss you doing that.

Do you want me to?

Dp101

09-29-2016, 15:16

Do you want me to?

I mean, everyone else is, and a complete list would be nice. Also, forgot to mention this, but thanks for adapting the plugin, it makes it so much easier to play the game.

novice

09-29-2016, 15:19

JohnHughThom, I sympathize with your mission statement on enjoying the game and not polluting the thread, but I think at this point you should be able to provide some commentary. Or do you disagree, has everything needing to be said been said?

novice

09-29-2016, 15:25

This seems like a useful feature on this forum, if I can get it to work: johnhughthom, question for you in the previous post.

Riedquat

09-29-2016, 15:33

Sounds to me like Riedquat's scan can indeed nail GH. And Riedquat has a personal interest in scanning robots, IIUC. So I may be willing to postpone a GH lynch. OTOH scum can just block Riedquat.

Or scum can just kill me and tomorrow town will be again stuck in today's situation. I would like a full disclosure from GH's night actions first, I just can't see the harm on it...

JohnHughThom, I sympathize with your mission statement on enjoying the game and not polluting the thread, but I think at this point you should be able to provide some commentary. Or do you disagree, has everything needing to be said been said?

For what is worth he is no threat.... to me!

Riedquat

09-29-2016, 15:45

I guess this is the softclaim atheotes is referring to.

Not sure... need to check all his posts, but perhaps was something else.

novice

09-29-2016, 16:09

For what is worth he is no threat.... to me!

So you scanned him? When? Remind me what your night actions have been.

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 16:32

Cuthillius

Today: 5
Yesterday: 12
27: 16 posts
26: 17 posts
25: 46 posts
24: 6 posts (truncated) 256 in total
23
22
21
20
19
18Your average for the first 7 days is about 22 posts per day. Then you were really active on the 25th, and your activity has been dropping like a rock ever since.

Activity tends to go up as we have more information and claims and vote history. Why is yours going downward?

My activity always varies depending on how many people are in the thread and how much there is to discuss. I revert to MU-type posting when the thread is alive and people are posting, and more to GitP-type meta when it's not. It hasn't really been very invigoratingly active of late.

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 16:38

My activity always varies depending on how many people are in the thread and how much there is to discuss. I revert to MU-type posting when the thread is alive and people are posting, and more to GitP-type meta when it's not. It hasn't really been very invigoratingly active of late.

This is true of literally every game I play in that has more than GitP-level activity. That one we played in recently where I had 358 posts on d1? 278 on d2, 51 on d3, 49 on d4, 52 on d5, and 75 on the last day.

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 16:43

novice, do you really think hankerchief's mason claim is a lie? why?

Murska

09-29-2016, 16:50

novice, do you really think hankerchief's mason claim is a lie? why?

Mason?

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 16:52

Mason?

was that someone else?

wait right that was

sorry

disregard

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 16:52

murska thoughts on the gamestate?

Murska

09-29-2016, 17:01

Later. Busy now.

Zack

09-29-2016, 17:22

Official Tally

3 GeneralHankerchief (atheotes, Murska, novice)
3 novice (Cuth, Choxorn, ATPG)

1 Askthepizzaguy (Pelican)
1 Winston Hughes (Monty)

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4 Not Voting: Dp101, GeneralHankerchief, Riedquat, Winston Hughes

2 Not Posting: Al Sipsclar, johnhughthom

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

novice

09-29-2016, 17:25

novice

09-29-2016, 17:27

Dp101, have you actually made any cases in this game? I kind of want to lynch you despite your eminent ability to look town.

Dp101

09-29-2016, 17:43

Dp101, have you actually made any cases in this game? I kind of want to lynch you despite your eminent ability to look town.

I think most of my cases were early on, I was going to make one against Winston but couldn't find any of the evidence I remembered.

Murska

09-29-2016, 17:58

Right. Well, I accept Pizza's claim for now. I still want to lynch GH, his claim is iffy, his lack of claimed actions is also terrible.

Dp101

09-29-2016, 18:21

If GH doesn't claim actions I will lynch him.

atheotes

09-29-2016, 18:35

If GH doesn't claim actions I will lynch him.

a vote is a stronger statement.

Dp101

09-29-2016, 18:43

a vote is a stronger statement.

Whether I put my vote on him now and remove it once he claims or place it on him an hour before if he still hasn't claimed makes no difference.

atheotes

09-29-2016, 18:50

Whether I put my vote on him now and remove it once he claims or place it on him an hour before if he still hasn't claimed makes no difference.

if it makes no difference to you, please indulge me and vote

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 19:06

if it makes no difference to you, please indulge me and vote

Seconded.

Dp101

09-29-2016, 19:39

Fine Vote: GeneralHankerchief

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 19:43

It would be helpful to me if the people voting for GH for "pressure to reveal" reasons would do me the favor of continuing to talk about alternative candidates, as if GH had just claimed all his actions and you believe that makes him town.

Not for funsies, but so that if a decision is made (after I go to bed, mind you) not to lynch GH, it isn't a giant cluster, because alternatives have already been discussed.

Dp101

09-29-2016, 20:20

Right now I wouldn't mind a lurker lynch, or maybe Monty.

GeneralHankerchief

09-29-2016, 20:32

novice

09-29-2016, 20:43

Look, you aren't getting me to pressure-claim actions. That's just something that isn't going to happen.

Rationally and reasonably argue how me disclosing my actions benefits the town, and we'll start talking.

If you reveal your actions and the reasoning behind them we can see how they fit with your actions in the thread, to get a better read on you.
I don't see much downside in scum learning townyou's actions. Maaybe they have failed actions requiring explanation, such as a failed kill that could be caused by you or by e.g. a bulletproof townie, but they can probably guess anyway. Town can't. At any rate the benefits outweigh the disadvantages.

By not claiming you're also denying town power roles the opportunity to catch you in a lie.

Zack

09-29-2016, 20:46

test

4 GeneralHankerchief (atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716246#post2053716246showthread.php?152111&p=2053715827#post2053715827), Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716246#post2053716246showthread.php?152111&p=2053715830#post2053715830), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716246#post2053716246showthread.php?152111&p=2053715841#post2053715841), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716246#post2053716246showthread.php?152111&p=2053716237#post2053716237))

3 novice (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716246#post2053716246showthread.php?152111&p=2053716018#post2053716018), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716246#post2053716246showthread.php?152111&p=2053716034#post2053716034), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716246#post2053716246showthread.php?152111&p=2053716082#post2053716082))

1 Pizza (Pelican (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716246#post2053716246showthread.php?152111&p=2053715766#post2053715766))
1 Winston (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716246#post2053716246showthread.php?152111&p=2053716098#post2053716098))

Voting history:
Pizza

pizza

Pizza

Pizza

ATPG

Generalhankerchief

GH

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

Murska

Unvote

novice

Novice

Novice

Winston

GeneralHankerchief

Zack

09-29-2016, 20:47

links don't seem to be working correctly

GeneralHankerchief

09-29-2016, 20:51

Let's operate under a couple of assumptions here.

Assumption One: I am who I claim to be, a town-aligned Jailkeeper.

Assumption Two: I am a somewhat competent Mafia player on occasion.

Operating under the premise the the above two assumptions are true, let us further speculate on why I have not disclosed my actions to this point. It could be because I was softly trying to influence the town's direction in favor of, or away from, a particular lynch target, while still trying to preserve my anonymity. It could be because I was breadcrumbing my role in a long-term effort to first set up my role and then drop the hammer when I finally had information of worth to reveal. It could be because I have no information of value from the actions I've taken so far. It could be because I'm waiting for more people to chime in on the issue first. It could be because I believe the mafia, as it currently stands, will be better served to adapt and react to the information disclosed than town.

Three of the five possible scenarios are correct here.

GeneralHankerchief

09-29-2016, 20:52

Also atheotes has been garbage this entire last day. "GH claimed because somebody he believes to be town asked him to and doesn't have anything to back it up, HE'S CLEARLY SCUM"

Dp101

09-29-2016, 20:52

Yeah, what Novice said. If you reveal your actions you are more cleared because mafia would have to make up night actions that could conflict with town actions and could be caught out. Plus any town power roles still alive can get closure on the results of their actions.

Murska

09-29-2016, 20:53

Here's my shot at rationally explaining why claiming your actions would help Town.

1: It doesn't help the Mafia in any way. Knowing who you've targeted tells them nothing useful.

2: It may, may possibly let Town find some sort of corroborating evidence on your claim, as thus far you just look like mafia who's fakeclaimed out of desperation.

novice

09-29-2016, 20:57

We're not questioning your competence, GH, just your credibility. Even if all your scenarios are correct, they don't rebut the points I made in favour of you claiming your actions. Your anonymity is no longer preserved, after all.

GeneralHankerchief

09-29-2016, 21:02

I want more people to chime in on this issue.

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 21:04

I want more people to chime in on this issue.

Claim your targets.

GeneralHankerchief

09-29-2016, 21:05

Vote: atheotes

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 21:06

the fact that you've claimed JK removes almost all of the point of not claiming results

GeneralHankerchief

09-29-2016, 21:07

Claim your targets.
Montmorency Pelican

novice

09-29-2016, 21:16

links don't seem to be working correctly

Yeah, you found a bug. Should work now, try reinstalling the script by clicking this link:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/15215428/mafiahelper/Realms%20Beyond%20Mafia%20Helper%20v12.user.js

If that doesn't fix it try first uninstalling the script from the TamperMonkey dashboard and then reinstalling it.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 21:23

GeneralHankerchief

09-29-2016, 21:25

@ GH

Tally management over the next few hours will be important due to absentees. EOD is also at 4am Norway time, so I'm not gonna be here and it's possible novice can't be, either. The lack of vote movement and lack of reaction factor is a serious danger here. How do you want to play it?

Are you unwilling to go onto any of the people I've suggested?

I won't be able to access the forums except for a 20-minute period starting about an hour now, and then about an hour away from EoD. By all means, dump your suggestions on how to play it and I'll take them into account when I can get back on.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 21:27

I want to lynch Murska as my top priority today.

I am willing to lynch Cuthillius.

Novice is an awesome addition to this board, but I didn't see him actually do anything with the software trick he pulled out of his magic bag. I would lynch him because of that.

If none of those are acceptable, I will lynch atheotes with you. But I think we have a greater chance of getting the necessary votes on the others.

GeneralHankerchief

09-29-2016, 21:30

Well, Novice is my main competitor in the votes right now, so I'll probably be on him EoD if an atheotes counterwagon doesn't materialize.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 21:30

I'm about to settle in for the night with my wife, however I can be back here just before bed to change my vote if need be. That's not a ton of time.

Note that a bunch of the people I think are town are completely unwilling to even vote together. That's why I'm about to start cutting deals.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 21:32

FTR Al Sipsclar going nowhere doesn't fully clear him, and the pass I gave him for not seeing him go anywhere is temporary and should be highly mitigated by the fact that the best counter to my role is a ninja or a godfather type role. Or simply a scum who didn't go anywhere.

I'm only holding on to him as a mild town read because it's the only piece of viable info I even have remaining. If people think he's scum they should push him regardless.

GeneralHankerchief

09-29-2016, 21:43

Compromise on my end:

If I'm in the lead for the lynch, or if the outcome is in doubt, I will reveal my actions with one minute before EoD.

If I survive the lynch, I will reveal my actions one minute (or close enough) before the end of the night phase.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 21:46

@ novice

Would you follow through with your claimed suspicions and lynch Al Sipsclar today?

novice

09-29-2016, 21:49

@ novice

Would you follow through with your claimed suspicions and lynch Al Sipsclar today?

It's a workable compromise, but why should I have to compromise? Why are you against a GH lynch?
Is Monty one of your town reads?

novice

09-29-2016, 21:55

Novice is an awesome addition to this board, but I didn't see him actually do anything with the software trick he pulled out of his magic bag. I would lynch him because of that.

Thanks. You know how it is, or maybe you don't, making the tools is more fun than using them. I'll dig deeper at some point, hopefully.
Apparently you would not lynch me, for other reasons, since you're negotiating?

Speaking of disappointing hunting, it's too bad that Monty couldn't come to any clearer conclusions. Maybe he can use the information. And I know you asked for a list of vote changes, too.

novice

09-29-2016, 22:00

Vote: Al Sipsclar as a show of good faith.

I'll be up for another hour or two but not until deadline.
I'll need some convincing to not switch back to GH.

novice

09-29-2016, 22:04

Tally as of post 2103:

Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715827#post2053715827), Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715830#post2053715830), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716237#post2053716237))
3 votes: novice (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716018#post2053716018), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716034#post2053716034), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716082#post2053716082))
1 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Pelican (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715766#post2053715766))
1 votes: Winston Hughes (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716098#post2053716098))
1 votes: atheotes (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716260#post2053716260))
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716279#post2053716279))

Voting history:
Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

Askthepizzaguy

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

GeneralHankerchief

Murska

Unvote

novice

Novice

Novice

Winston Hughes

GeneralHankerchief

atheotes

Al Sipsclar

El Barto

09-29-2016, 22:04

*talking to myself clip*
You're on a different timezone! Meatbags need shut-eye!

WH at 11 per day average total, but has very regular spikes in activity over and over, then absent. The spikes are at 34, 24, and 17, which is downward, yet still much more than the 9 per day average he started with. I also think all of this activity is above his baseline.
Why don't you check what those spikes in activity answer to?

I want more people to chime in on this issue.
As a robot, I cannot but help put on a very metallic voice and say ‘EXPLAIN! EXPLAIN!’

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 22:05

It's a workable compromise, but why should I have to compromise? Why are you against a GH lynch?
Is Monty one of your town reads?

I'm against the GH lynch because I believe a jailkeeper fits into the setup with a tracker and vig and masons. If Reidquat can snag his jailkeeper powers, that's even better.

I also read the tea leaves. It seems that every person I suspect is dead set against doing anything productive today and instead preferred to hold GH and I hostage over the claims, which is fine, but they utterly refuse to use the time to question anyone else, including the people they suspect. And that's beyond lazy. It's scummy. It's scummy and I intend to lynch each person who did it. Period.

If you bother to vote with me, you're betting that I'm correct about Murska and Cuth, and the game ends before I get to you, but I'll be dead before that happens anyway.

That's why all this stalling I see from people is markedly more and more scummy. I will be unable to voice my objections to this later, so I'm going on record right now. The persons in question, GH and myself, will be resolved shortly, yet it's just being used as an excuse to do no work.

Your reluctance to help me on any of my suspects only makes it worse. But that's not my only issue with you.

Again, you made your rainbow posts and you used your vote collector, but you didn't do anything with either one. You didn't show your work, anyway. You arrived at a list of suspects I largely disagree with and for no explanation arbitrarily put one of them on your most suspected part of your unwilling to lynch list, today, which to me is a crucial round of the game.

If you claim to find Al Sips a suspect but make no effort to push there, I find that to be distancing, not real suspicion. Especially since no one else is really pushing him as a suspect. That just reads to be to be the easy to get away with safe distancing tactic.

If you're not asking your suspects any questions, if you're not asking others to vote for them, then you aren't trying to solve the game for town, you're just trying to disconnect yourself from your mafia buddies.

If that's not the case, then help me lynch Murska. Or Cuth. Or even Al, if you actually find him scummy. Why are you unwilling to push these people? You never explained why Murska is so high on your list.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 22:12

I'll need some convincing to not switch back to GH.

If he's your suspect, why do you need to be persuaded to keep your vote on him for longer than an hour?

What form of convincing do you need? Opinion that GH is town plus reasons?

By your own admission Al's posts have almost no content, so there's little case to be made beyond that and his vote record. Why is that insufficient?

If you're looking for someone else to make a case on your suspect, it's not going to happen on the .org in 1 hour.

Level with me. What is the vote supposed to prove? It just looks like it is for show to me.

Murska

09-29-2016, 22:12

Nobody ever explained why I am where I am on their lists.

I really don't think GH is going to be able to convince me he's not scum at this point, and since the EoD is at like five in the morning and I'm definitely not going to be around, I don't really want to switch my vote around to less scummy people.

novice

09-29-2016, 22:15

If he's your suspect, why do you need to be persuaded to keep your vote on him for longer than an hour?

What form of convincing do you need? Opinion that GH is town plus reasons?

Al is a default lynch. I'd need convincing that GH is a bad lynch.

novice

09-29-2016, 22:16

You never explained why Murska is so high on your list.

Murska is high on my town list because of mindmeld.

El Barto

09-29-2016, 22:18

Murska is high on my town list because of mindmeld.
Your organic brain is not working properly. Well, they never do, technically, 'cos they're organic, but you know what I mean.

Askthepizzaguy

09-29-2016, 22:24

I don't think either of you are actually persuadable because one or both of you are scum.

I am probably wasting what little time I have remaining on this.

My vote on novice stands at this point. I've seen all I need to see.

El Barto

09-29-2016, 22:27

Pizzabot! Read my post #2105, you can read up on that during the night phase and produce a textwall.

novice

09-29-2016, 22:27

I'm against the GH lynch because I believe a jailkeeper fits into the setup with a tracker and vig and masons. If Reidquat can snag his jailkeeper powers, that's even better.

Ok.

I also read the tea leaves. It seems that every person I suspect is dead set against doing anything productive today and instead preferred to hold GH and I hostage over the claims, which is fine, but they utterly refuse to use the time to question anyone else, including the people they suspect. And that's beyond lazy. It's scummy. It's scummy and I intend to lynch each person who did it. Period.

So you're saying that it's fine to hold GH hostage but not to lynch him? I mean, people can be scummily lazy, but they can't all be scum. Isn't resolving GH's role good for town in this situation?

Again, you made your rainbow posts and you used your vote collector, but you didn't do anything with either one. You didn't show your work, anyway. You arrived at a list of suspects I largely disagree with and for no explanation arbitrarily put one of them on your most suspected part of your unwilling to lynch list, today, which to me is a crucial round of the game.

My method is largely staring at the rainbow until a suspect list holistically appears. You mean Cuthilius was arbitrarily on the "not really willing to lynch" list? I had to draw the line somewhere. I mean, I had ten others on the same list. Convince me on Cuthilius then.

But I agree, it's a crucial round, and postponing the GH situation feels dangerous.

If you're not asking your suspects any questions, if you're not asking others to vote for them, then you aren't trying to solve the game for town, you're just trying to disconnect yourself from your mafia buddies.

This is just me whining, but a) your description is not accurate, and b) why do you hold me to a higher standard than the rest of the lazy scum?

novice

09-29-2016, 22:32

My vote on novice stands at this point. I've seen all I need to see.

Okay then. Vote: GeneralHankerchief

johnhughthom

09-29-2016, 22:39

Whoever was asking about my thoughts on the game a few pages back, I've got nothing. Just had a death in the family on top of starting a new job means keeping up with a game with a level of activity I haven't seen in a long time has been problematic.

novice

09-29-2016, 22:41

Dp101

09-29-2016, 22:41

Vote: Novice because the General has promised to reveal night actions now so he will die if mafia (hopefully) due to being caught out in a lie, and while I like Novice's criticisms of the General I dislike how he has reacted to Pizza, feels like he is not really answering the accusations that are forming Pizza's case.

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 22:43

Meh

I feel like GH's claim is believable from the way he's treated talking about it

I still don't like the look of novice

his interaction with pizza doesn't help, he still doesn't feel invested in what he's saying

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 22:44

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 22:45

novice tell me this

why does GH react the way he does to claims, and then make the promise he's made wrt revealing

do you think he's the scummiest person or is that self-pres

Dp101

09-29-2016, 22:45

Dp101

09-29-2016, 22:53

nice xpost

Thanks.

novice

09-29-2016, 22:56

novice tell me this

why does GH react the way he does to claims, and then make the promise he's made wrt revealing

do you think he's the scummiest person or is that self-pres

He's my best bet. Don't know the answer to your first question though. I don't like any other aspect of his claim or reaction, but that promise is towny.

novice

09-29-2016, 22:59

Cuth, who are your suspects apart from me?

novice

09-29-2016, 23:05

Well, I'm going to bed.

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 23:06

Cuth, who are your suspects apart from me?

Depends on things. I have no hard suspects other than you, but we'll see what happens after potential claims resolve themselves. Right now I'm leaning town on all of the claims, but that could easily change and I think your flip would be very telling.

Don't have any hugely strong feelings, but there are cords and connections

Cuthillius

09-29-2016, 23:07

He's my best bet. Don't know the answer to your first question though. I don't like any other aspect of his claim or reaction, but that promise is towny.

i'm fine with this

Montmorency

09-29-2016, 23:25

Novice, I warn you that I will lynch you over GH any time.

GeneralHankerchief: You said you would reveal actions later, but from the structure of some posts it looked like you were saying that you have used your role on Atheotes, Montmorency, and Pelican. Did I misinterpret or is it that you want to reveal timing? And what are your plans on role cooperation vis-a-vis Pizza as outlined here (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716098&viewfull=1#post2053716098)?

El Barto

09-29-2016, 23:35

novice: Do you have any worthwhile claims regarding why the town should not lynch your organic ass?

Whoever was asking about my thoughts on the game a few pages back, I've got nothing. Just had a death in the family on top of starting a new job means keeping up with a game with a level of activity I haven't seen in a long time has been problematic.
Heh, I was actually asking about how Winston claimed to have no idea whom to vote for but wasn't voting you as is his default (http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/OOCIsSeriousBusiness).

OOC: Eurgh!

Dp101

09-29-2016, 23:37

He went to bed, you won't get an answer out of him until after the lynch.

El Barto

09-29-2016, 23:49

Then if he turns out to have been a vanilla townie we have yet another proven townie who can speak and help guide us. Otherwise, well, it depends.

You meatbags oughta have thought this through, know what I'm sayin'?

Dp101

09-29-2016, 23:52

Yes, I do. If Novice is town and General's night actions aren't credible then I'm killing him next. My track record for sticking to such declarations is spotty, but it's the thought that counts, right?

El Barto

09-29-2016, 23:57

Actually, what I meant was that killing one person every day and lettin' criminals kill one of us every night is not exactly the best way to deal with them, eh?

But what you said also works. Even robots get lucky sometimes.

Riedquat

09-30-2016, 00:02

So you scanned him? When? Remind me what your night actions have been.

Rereading Riedquat, as far as I can see he has claimed scanning CrimsonFox on N1 and nothing else yet. I also found an interesting suggestion, that El Barto was killed by Visor.

CrimsonFox; Jht; Newyn/jht... claimed I found another of my kind with jht, scanned newyn last night (got a result also) and used the doctor ability on jht.... And yes, thought probable visor was Barto's killer, not sure anymore.

Look, you aren't getting me to pressure-claim actions. That's just something that isn't going to happen.

Rationally and reasonably argue how me disclosing my actions benefits the town, and we'll start talking.

Why? why why why??? :inquisitive:

Here's my shot at rationally explaining why claiming your actions would help Town.

1: It doesn't help the Mafia in any way. Knowing who you've targeted tells them nothing useful.

2: It may, may possibly let Town find some sort of corroborating evidence on your claim, as thus far you just look like mafia who's fakeclaimed out of desperation.

^^This!

At this point I really want to lynch Gh just out of his stubbornness :stare:

The rest of candidates are all meh to me

Vote: No Lynch for the time being...

El Barto

09-30-2016, 00:05

Pah, it is obvious that the mafia killed me. They thought I was you, which is a compliment.

Actually, I don't take it as a compliment. It was extremely annoying and embarrassing.

Montmorency

09-30-2016, 00:23

Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (atheotes, Murska, Dp101)
3 votes: novice (Cuthillius, Choxorn, Askthepizzaguy)
1 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Pelican)
1 votes: Winston Hughes (Montmorency)
1 votes: atheotes (GeneralHankerchief)
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (novice)

Sucks to your technology, here's a hand-crafted tally from the heart.

Tally

4 novice (Cuth, Choxorn, Askthepizzaguy, DP101)

3 GeneralHankerchief (atheotes, Murska, novice)

1 Askthepizzaguy (Pelican)
1 Winston Hughes (Montmorency)
1 atheotes (GeneralHankerchief)

1 No Lynch (Riedquat)

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2 Not Voting: Winston, JHT

1 Not Posting: Al Sips
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I stand by GH.

tunnel snakes rule

Riedquat

09-30-2016, 00:25

Pah, it is obvious that the mafia killed me. They thought I was you, which is a compliment.

Actually, I don't take it as a compliment. It was extremely annoying and embarrassing.

:laugh4::laugh4::laugh4:

El Barto

09-30-2016, 00:34

Tunnel snakes do not rule, meatbag. Robots do.

I stand by GH.
So why aren't you voting to save him, the alleged jailkeeper?

Choxorn

09-30-2016, 00:38

I think GH should claim, and I also think we should lynch Novice, who's a billion times scummier.

El Barto

09-30-2016, 00:44

As a robot, I cannot help but like quantification and killing all humans good oil baths and servicing.

Montmorency

09-30-2016, 00:49

So why aren't you voting to save him, the alleged jailkeeper?

Good question. I want my vote to go on Winston, but if in the next two hours the situation changes then I will redeploy my vote to protect GH.

Al Sipsclar

09-30-2016, 01:37

Wait! The Donbot is innocent!
Vote: novice

(no, I don't have anything clearing GH, I just want to use that quote! :square:

Zack

09-30-2016, 01:39

Official Tally as of post 2142

5 novice (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716018#post2053716018), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716034#post2053716034), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716082#post2053716082), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716301#post2053716301), Al Sipsclar)

3 GeneralHankerchief (atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715827#post2053715827), Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715830#post2053715830), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716297#post2053716297))

1 Pizza (Pelican (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715766#post2053715766))
1 Winston (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716098#post2053716098))
1 atheotes (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716260#post2053716260))
1 No Lynch (Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716328#post2053716328))

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2 Not Voting: JHT, Winston

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

Montmorency

09-30-2016, 01:41

DP, GH, Al Sips, whaddaya say we turn this one onto Winston? He's a better lynch than either novice or GH.

Cuthillius

09-30-2016, 01:44

DP, GH, Al Sips, whaddaya say we turn this one onto Winston? He's a better lynch than either novice or GH.

didn't he claim mason or was that someone else

Montmorency

09-30-2016, 01:45

Choxorn and Newyn

Al Sipsclar

09-30-2016, 01:52

I thought Winston was okay on D1. Didn't read the thread after that, though.

Riedquat

09-30-2016, 02:09

I thought Winston was okay on D1. Didn't read the thread after that, though.

:laugh4:

Ok, whatever... unvote; vote: Winston

Dp101

09-30-2016, 02:15

Fine, Vote: Winston but if he is town then I am coming after you, and then both Novice and GH.

Montmorency

09-30-2016, 02:17

Come on, a couple more votes, or GH could get flash-lynched. GH, get it together.

Al Sipsclar

09-30-2016, 02:18

ok, vote: Winston

GeneralHankerchief

09-30-2016, 02:20

In for the duration.

Vote: Winston

GeneralHankerchief

09-30-2016, 02:23

If Winston flips town, I think we're screwed.

Montmorency

09-30-2016, 02:24

If Winston flips town, I think we're screwed.

Huh?

Zack

09-30-2016, 02:25

:laugh4:

Ok, whatever... unvote; vote: Winston

for those of you using the plug in, note that for whatever reason it did not recognize this vote. So the real tally has Riedquat voting Winston too.

GeneralHankerchief

09-30-2016, 02:35

for those of you using the plug in, note that for whatever reason it did not recognize this vote. So the real tally has Riedquat voting Winston too.

Speaking of which, can we get an adjusted tally?

Zack

09-30-2016, 02:40

Official Tally as of post 2157

5 Winston Hughes (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716098#post2053716098), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716353#post2053716353), Riedquat Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716355#post2053716355), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716356#post2053716356))

3 GeneralHankerchief (atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715827#post2053715827), Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715830#post2053715830), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716297#post2053716297))
3 novice (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716018#post2053716018), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716034#post2053716034), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716082#post2053716082))

1 Pizza (Pelican (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715766#post2053715766))

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2 Not Voting: JHT, Winston

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

Riedquat

09-30-2016, 02:42

Heck... Vote: Winston stupid plugin can't read my superior spelling

GeneralHankerchief

09-30-2016, 02:54

Got my explanation queued up in case the vote tightens. At present I'm holding off until night phase.

GeneralHankerchief

09-30-2016, 02:55

(by "explanation" I mean "night actions")

Cuthillius

09-30-2016, 02:57

That is a horrible CFD

vote novice please

Cuthillius

09-30-2016, 02:57

Dp101

GeneralHankerchief

09-30-2016, 02:57

Let's let fate decide.

Unvote: Winston
Vote: novice

Cuthillius

09-30-2016, 02:58

the fact that nobody seems to really think he's a wolf

people were saying novice is wolfy

nobody was talking about winston and then now this

and one person says they think we're screwed if he's town

what the heck is this

come onnnn

Cuthillius

09-30-2016, 02:58

Let's let fate decide.

Unvote: Winston
Vote: novice

thank you

Cuthillius

09-30-2016, 02:59

although i think random is -ev compared to just lynching novice but what the hell it's your vote and at least 50%

GeneralHankerchief

09-30-2016, 02:59

CHAOS CHAOS CHAOS

Zack

09-30-2016, 02:59

Official Tally as of post 2168

4 Winston Hughes (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716098#post2053716098), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716353#post2053716353), Riedquat, Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716355#post2053716355))
4 novice (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716018#post2053716018), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716034#post2053716034), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716082#post2053716082), generalhanky)

3 GeneralHankerchief (atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715827#post2053715827), Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715830#post2053715830), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716297#post2053716297))

1 Pizza (Pelican (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715766#post2053715766))

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2 Not Voting: JHT, Winston

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Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule

Montmorency

09-30-2016, 03:00

Oh GH. (https://i.imgur.com/uWjwY.gif)

Zack

09-30-2016, 03:00

DO NOT POST.

Zack

09-30-2016, 03:01

Zack

09-30-2016, 03:02

https://i.imgur.com/pZdfI4e.png

We want to lynch that guy!

Zack: "Who? I've never seen him before."

novice: "I've never seen you before."

-------

"What fevered dream is this that bids to tear this company in twain? [Returns to reading National Pornographic magazine.]" - novice

https://i.imgur.com/1XVN4QN.png

Scruffy the Janitor

Player: novice

Role: Scruffy (https://theinfosphere.org/Scruffy)

Faction: TOWN

CAN TALK AFTER DEATH.
-------

It is now Night Four.

Night actions due by: tunnel snakes rule

Zack

09-30-2016, 03:03

Alive: 13

Al Sipsclar
Askthepizzaguy
atheotes
Choxorn
Cuthillius
Dp101
GeneralHankerchief
johnhughthom
Montmorency
Murska
Pelican
Riedquat
Winston Hughes

---

Lynched: 4

d1 - spaceman98 - Leela
d2 - BSmith - Amy (can talk)
d3 - Stork - Professor Farnsworth
d4 - novice - Scruffy (can talk)

---

Killed: 5

n1 - El Barto - Flexo (can talk)
n2 - Visor - Hermes
n2 - seireikhaan - Larry
d3 - CrimsonFox - Zapp Brannigan
n3 - Newyn - Linda

Zack

09-30-2016, 03:04

You can now post.

GeneralHankerchief

09-30-2016, 03:05

Y'know, one of these days when I post "CHAOS CHAOS CHAOS" something good is actually going to happen. :laugh4:

El Barto

09-30-2016, 03:07

Voting ends in: tunnel snakes rule
What is this? Sounds as if the GM's chip were malfunctioning.

Zack

09-30-2016, 03:08

What is this? Sounds as if the GM's chip were malfunctioning.

Not sure what you mean.

Dp101

09-30-2016, 03:08

Well, Monty is looking clearer because no mafia would try and save a town through CFD. Not really sure where this places General.

El Barto

09-30-2016, 03:11

Wait! The Donbot is innocent!
Vote: novice

(no, I don't have anything clearing GH, I just want to use that quote! :square:
Psssst! Lionel Hutz is from The Simpsons, not Futurama. You're roleplaying the wrong character. Still, you get points for RPing.

Got my explanation queued up in case the vote tightens. At present I'm holding off until night phase.
Right… block Winston or Cuthilius while you're at it and lynch one of them in the morning.

Bender, you wife-stealing beardless bastard, can you check on Winston or Cuthilius?

Let's let fate decide.

Unvote: Winston
Vote: novicethank you
How thankful are you now, meatbag?

El Barto

09-30-2016, 03:11

Not sure what you mean.
Right now I read: Voting ends in: 0 Days, 23 Hours, 48 Minutes, 42 Seconds

Edit: I reloaded the page and it's gone. Huh? Must be the kidnappster people at work.

Montmorency

09-30-2016, 03:13

Well, Monty is looking clearer because no mafia would try and save a town through CFD. Not really sure where this places General.

In good conscience, I must disagree, having accused Pizza of pretty much the same. On the other hand, I wasn't wholeheartedly pushing novice before turning on a heel.

Montmorency

09-30-2016, 03:14

GH, where are you on my Ried-GH-Pizza triangle plan?

GeneralHankerchief

09-30-2016, 03:14

GH, where are you on my Ried-GH-Pizza triangle plan?

Refresh my memory?

Montmorency

09-30-2016, 03:15

To sum:
Riedquat: Scan GH
GH: Jail Pizza Askthepizzaguy: Track GH

Dp101

09-30-2016, 03:19

To sum:
Riedquat: Scan GH
GH: Jail Pizza Askthepizzaguy: Track GH

So what, you aim to try and confirm GH as town by finding out if both the other two get no result?

Al Sipsclar

09-30-2016, 03:20

Psssst! Lionel Hutz is from The Simpsons, not Futurama. You're roleplaying the wrong character. Still, you get points for RPing.

https://youtu.be/ODYAn2GC6Ls?t=415
(skip to 6:55)

GeneralHankerchief

09-30-2016, 03:23

To sum:
Riedquat: Scan GH
GH: Jail Pizza Askthepizzaguy: Track GH

Eh, seems a little self-restrictive. Not a fan but I'll do it if the other two are on board.

Montmorency

09-30-2016, 03:25

So what, you aim to try and confirm GH as town by finding out if both the other two get no result?

No, this is for Pizza to prove his townieness. If both GH and Pizza are scum, of course it fails.

Cuthillius

09-30-2016, 03:34

No, this is for Pizza to prove his townieness. If both GH and Pizza are scum, of course it fails.

that doesn't prove pizza town by any stretch of the imagination

it proves that GH is jk maybe

but not that pizza town

Montmorency

09-30-2016, 03:50

From post 2006:

GH keeps Pizza
GH keeps someone else

Town P/Town G
Pizza reports blocked
Pizza reports GH's activity

Town P/Scum G
Pizza reports blocked
Pizza reports GH activity (risky for GH)

Scum P/Town G
Pizza wildcard
Pizza wildcard

Scum P/Scum G
Yeah right
God help us

Cuthillius

09-30-2016, 03:57

scum pizza always reports blocked tho

Cuthillius

09-30-2016, 03:58

unless this structure is actually just a screwy mindgame of 'who does gh jk"

El Barto

09-30-2016, 04:04

https://youtu.be/ODYAn2GC6Ls?t=415
(skip to 6:55)
Oh, I know, but what other lawyer could represent the Donbot?

Riedquat

09-30-2016, 05:56

To sum:
Riedquat: Scan GH
GH: Jail Pizza Askthepizzaguy: Track GH

I will scan GH tonight but agree with cuthilius, in the best scenario it will clear GH not Pizza...

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 06:34

I've seen some bad CFDs, but that one was something else. In fact, the whole of yesterday was such a clusterfuck that I'm feeling a bit more confident about my own game, as it's clear that the whole town is flailing wildly in the dark just like me.

Given this situation, I am inclined to look most closely at those people who are most likely to have driven us there deliberately: pizza, GH and Monty.

From most likely to least likely:

Two scum
All scum
One scum
No scum

Best guess is pizza and Monty, because once you start looking at that possibility, the way the game has shaken out starts to make a lot more sense imo.

Still very much like to hear GH's claimed actions, though, as well as an explanation for why he wouldn't even answer my very simple question about whether he had ever targeted me, and yet was content to jump on (and off) my bandwagon without showing any apparent interest in why I wanted to know that.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 06:36

Monty's plan for me to track GH sucks and always results in me tracking a townie, dying, or tracking a dead townie GH.

GH, do whatever it is you want to do tonight, while I track an actual suspect.

If GH is guilty, under no circumstances would me tracking him work out well for anyone but scums.

novice

09-30-2016, 06:45

Someone said earlier (N1?) that they didn't like CFDs on people who are not around to defend themselves. Who was that?

novice

09-30-2016, 06:46

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 06:50

Winston Hughes, you vixen.

This post here is the kind of thing pizza loves to post as scum.

On the surface, it's about me being tricksy with my reveal.

But if he's scum, what he's really doing is giving me credit for sneaking past his near-legendary PR detector.

novice

09-30-2016, 06:52

Dp101

09-30-2016, 06:54

Just because we know you are town doesn't mean you are right. Who you planning to take down first? Or would you rather only state during the day?

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 06:56

This post here is the kind of thing pizza loves to post as scum.

On the surface, it's about me being tricksy with my reveal.

But if he's scum, what he's really doing is giving me credit for sneaking past his near-legendary PR detector.

It was me noting that you seemed to be hinting you were Bender's robot girlfriend Angle-yne.

Vixen refers to the fact that the character is female.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:05

Who you calling meatbag, beardy?

Guess we're going to have to wait and see what GH and chox have to say for themselves.

I do have an angle here, btw, though to my knowledge I had nothing to do with the situation in question.

Objecting to being called a meatbag, followed by a conspicuous use of the word angle.

Angle-yne.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:08

So my question is, why would Angle-yne be a town power role, and if this person was, why wouldn't they object more vociferously to either GH or Pizza's PR claims during the day phase?

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:09

Dp101

09-30-2016, 07:09

Pizza, what do you make of the CFD? I went along with it because I felt that if it was wrong we could get enough info to win the game, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it.

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 07:09

I'm not Angle-yne.

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 07:18

So my question is, why would Angle-yne be a town power role, and if this person was, why wouldn't they object more vociferously to either GH or Pizza's PR claims during the day phase?

Reading this again, I'm not following the part about objecting to other PR claims.

What are you saying here?

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:21

Pizza, what do you make of the CFD? I went along with it because I felt that if it was wrong we could get enough info to win the game, but I'm interested to hear your thoughts on it.

This is what I see:

4 Winston Hughes (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716098#post2053716098), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716353#post2053716353), Riedquat, Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716355#post2053716355))
4 novice (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716018#post2053716018), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716034#post2053716034), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716082#post2053716082), generalhanky)

3 GeneralHankerchief (atheotes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715827#post2053715827), Murska (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053715830#post2053715830), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111&p=2053716297#post2053716297))

Pizza, GH, and novice were all innocent.

I have no issue with Riedquat being neutral Bender, and I think Monty and Dp are town.

I still firmly believe you'll find scums inside Murska and Cuth given their behavior yesterday and everyone's unwillingness to put votes on them even when they found them scummy, but atheotes looks like he belongs in that camp and maybe even should go straight to the head of the line.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:22

But if he's scum, what he's really doing is giving me credit for sneaking past his near-legendary PR detector.

You're soft-claiming to be a PR here. I don't believe you are one, given your behavior last round.

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 07:23

Or vote for either player?

I was spending time with my family (hadn't seen my son in five days), feeling both physically and emotionally obliterated, and was not even remotely in the mood for playing games.

Thankfully, I'm feeling much better this morning, though we'll see what a day's work does to that.

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 07:23

You're soft-claiming to be a PR here. I don't believe you are one, given your behavior last round.

I am a PR.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:27

I am a PR.

I'll be the judge of that.

Dp101

09-30-2016, 07:28

Will you claim what your PR does when it is day again?

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 07:31

Will you claim what your PR does when it is day again?

Maybe. Let's see what happens between now and then.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:34

Random declaration of a PR during the night phase doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 07:36

Random declaration of a PR during the night phase doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I thought it was pretty obvious from my statements yesterday that I was claiming PR.

novice

09-30-2016, 07:36

Random declaration of a PR during the night phase doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

He already softclaimed during the day.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:39

Ok. If there's evidence of that then I guess GH looks worse and so does Monty.

I didn't see any such claim.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:43

Claim during the day makes a lot more sense than at night.

Where was the claim?

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 07:44

Ok. If there's evidence of that then I guess GH looks worse and so does Monty.

I didn't see any such claim.

:stunned:

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:45

I'm being serious.

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 07:45

How can you pick out the word 'angle', but completely ignore the implications of the remainder of that sentence?

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:47

How can you pick out the word 'angle', but completely ignore the implications of the remainder of that sentence?

It reads exactly like someone disavowing having a power, but specifically and conspicuously using the word "angle".

When I read that post, all I saw was you claiming to be Angle-yne, a vanilla townie.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:48

Or possibly another of the neutrals ala Bender.

In especially the latter case, I kinda wanted to congratulate you in postgame for playing a neutral role so well up to that point.

It never even remotely crossed my mind that you were not claiming to be Angle-yne.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 07:52

his near-legendary PR detector.

lolu

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 07:57

I don't quite know how to put this pizza, and I really don't want to offend, but...

Are you for real here, or are you just playing dumb?

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 07:57

lolu

Well quite.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 08:00

I don't quite know how to put this pizza, and I really don't want to offend, but...

Are you for real here, or are you just playing dumb?

I'm not dumb, Winston. I'm just a townie with a tracking power that's going nowhere fast.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 08:03

I've already been caught, forced to claim, and blocked at night. The fact that there was so much time wasted on piling votes on me should tell you my alignment.

And I'm still lynch bait.

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 08:04

I've already been caught, forced to claim, and blocked at night. The fact that there was so much time wasted on piling votes on me should tell you my alignment.

And I'm still lynch bait.

Join the club.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 08:05

You were blocked as well?

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 08:06

I was referring to the lynchbait part.

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 08:07

I'm not talking about anything that I've done or has been done to me until I hear from GH.

novice

09-30-2016, 08:09

Askthepizzaguy: This is where the softclaim is discussed: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716176&viewfull=1#post2053716176

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 08:10

And now I have to work.

See ya later, meatbags.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 08:10

@Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872): This is where the softclaim is discussed: https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152111-Futuramafia-In-Play&p=2053716176&viewfull=1#post2053716176

Even knowing what Winston meant, it still looks like a character claim.

Look, it looks like he's trying to hint to Reidquat that he's a robot female.

Winston Hughes

09-30-2016, 08:12

And the part where I asked GH if he had targeted me?

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 08:16

What I see from Reidquat's role and revealed victory conditions is that he's interested in the survival of robots. So, he's looking for them, and my guess is that most of them won't be a "threat to him", though to be fair, it can't be that simplistic, from a design standpoint. See: Killbots. Bender won't think a killbot is a threat to him because he's kind of a robo supremacist. Winston goes and claims to not be a meatbag, it looks exactly like he's trying to get Reidquat to understand where he stands. Then he immediately afterwards posts the word angle, in a manner really conspicuous. When I think of the robots on the show, I'm thinking Flexo, Bender, and Angle-yne, because they kind of form a love triangle. I imagine those roles would be in the game, and Winston's posts all confirm that to me. It's only now, because I'm being told to discount that idea, that it's being discounted.

I mentioned Winston being a vixen because I kind of wanted to nudge Reidquat in the right direction. Given the full claim and the lack of continued day kills, I don't think he's anti-town third party anymore.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 08:22

Have you targeted me, GH?

^

Did not think about the implications. On first glance, it just looked like a normal interrogative question of a suspect who just claimed.

I had my theory and filed you away in the back of my brain.

Dp101

09-30-2016, 08:23

The only way that Bender can be antitown is if there is an additional victory condition that rewards bender for killing as many humans as possible via lynches and general suspicion, in fact he might just gain points based on the ratio of robots to humans at the end. Pretty unlikely, but just in case it could end up being relevant it is important to consider every possible hidden part of a role.

Askthepizzaguy

09-30-2016, 08:29

Murska

09-30-2016, 09:33

Someone said earlier (N1?) that they didn't like CFDs on people who are not around to defend themselves. Who was that?

This was me.

Why do people keep deciding to lynch Town while I'm asleep? Why didn't we lynch GH or Pizza?

Murska

09-30-2016, 09:34

If Winston flips town, I think we're screwed.

Look at this super-scummy post I found when skimming through what I'd missed, people!

Cuthillius

09-30-2016, 15:32

Ok. If there's evidence of that then I guess GH looks worse and so does Monty.

I didn't see any such claim.

atpg scum tracker confirmed

Cuthillius

09-30-2016, 15:34

i'm being quite serious about that

was thinking about it last night in bed

jailkeeper claim makes sense

but the way pizza's reacted to everything has been ???

i think he's just scum

Murska

09-30-2016, 16:22

Jailkeeper claim makes no sense.

Cuthillius

09-30-2016, 16:25

Jailkeeper claim makes no sense.

it could make sense, but far more likely town jk/wolf tracker than the other way around

I mean it would help if anyone could confirm that they've been jked in the first place

curious to see his night results one minute before sod

novice

09-30-2016, 16:39

So we have BSmith, El Barto and me as confirmed townies. Not that I want the responsibility, but we could just let the three of us decide by committee who to lynch, and policy lynch anyone who refuses. Thoughts?

Just because we know you are town doesn't mean you are right.

Of course not, but it means our motives are pure.

Who you planning to take down first? Or would you rather only state during the day?

:rolleyes:
You want to say yay or nay to the proposal based on who we would take down? That's just voting by proxy.