Creative Assembly Another MTW patch?? [Archive]

barocca

12-29-2002, 18:28

to the best of my knowledge there will not be another standalone patch for MTW,

There will be the Xpak (Viking Invasions) which should fix most of the glaring errors,

blame activision, they chose to go "early" on the release of the first patch ...

After a certain point the developers are required to "finish" each day with a compiled and ready to run executable, they continue making bug fixes until Activision tell them to stop,
They actually did fix more bugs than the "patch" Activision released fixes, but Activision have the final say on what we get...

maybe, (just maybe) one of the developer types will release a later version of that patch somewhere down the line
(an "unnofficial" release) ... but don't even begin to dream about that
- i asked Santa for it and even the big guy in the red suit could not deliver...

einar

12-29-2002, 19:13

Thanks barocca, i know that all software in this world have bugs (i'm SysAdm), but i don't understand activision's stupid policy of don't release necessary patches.

Well, thanks to you, CA, Gil, the org, etc, I blame ACTIVISION http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/pissed.gif

einar

12-29-2002, 19:16

Quote[/b] (barocca @ Dec. 29 2002,11:28)]to the best of my knowledge there will not be another standalone patch for MTW,

There will be the Xpak (Viking Invasions) which should fix most of the glaring errors,

blame activision, they chose to go "early" on the release of the first patch ...

After a certain point the developers are required to "finish" each day with a compiled and ready to run executable, they continue making bug fixes until Activision tell them to stop,
They actually did fix more bugs than the "patch" Activision released fixes, but Activision have the final say on what we get...

maybe, (just maybe) one of the developer types will release a later version of that patch somewhere down the line
(an "unnofficial" release) ... but don't even begin to dream about that
- i asked Santa for it and even the big guy in the red suit could not deliver...
oh. sorry, but, when will be released the Viking invasions patch??

Any idea??

barocca

12-29-2002, 19:18

no clues yet,

we have more idea of when Rome will be released,

the Viking Invasions date is still vague...

GilJaysmith

12-29-2002, 19:22

No second patch.

einar

12-29-2002, 19:55

Well, i hope that the vikings expansion fixes all the bugs that we've reported. The expansion'll be downloadable or we must to buy it???

GilJaysmith

12-29-2002, 20:01

Quote[/b] (einar @ Dec. 29 2002,12:55)]Well, i hope that the vikings expansion fixes all the bugs that we've reported. The expansion'll be downloadable or we must to buy it???
Don't know what it fixes, and you'll have to buy it.

einar

12-29-2002, 20:03

Thanks...

Kocmoc

12-30-2002, 00:29

i wont whining, as i dont play this game right now http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif
but if i look at other games and companys, i just can see that they betatesting theyr games with many players...u cna donwload the betagame and by playing it it upload bugs and mistakes to the company. furthermore they see wich units are used much and wich are overpowered...very easy and very nice, so they bring already a good balanced game where a lot bugs are already fixed.

maybe they have much more money as CA, that would explain it.... i understood that we dont get a second patch, but we can hardly say, that the most annoying bugs are solved.

the point is, i dont see a big effort and problem in changing some of this problems.
and it would help the community much.... there are games out, where the devs invited players to help them with the testing, it was about 1 week, somehow it works with other games and i ask me everytime, where is the big problem with all this?

i know this isnt an arcade game, but other games understood that the onlineplayer are a big market.....*looks at blizzard* (WC3), or the upcoming "Impossible creatures" from microsoft. .....sure its arcade...easy to play and fast.... but with the TW gamemashine u can create everything
....
all what i see is that the SP-market is focused and this is bad http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

it would helps a lot, if u could at least tell us, what will be changed or "patched" in the add-on.

koc

Nelson

12-30-2002, 05:01

The SP market focus is GOOD. Without it, there would be no Total War series at all. If Shogun had been MP battles only it would have been Shogun: Total Flop.

I know that some MP only fans are not satisfied but belly aching about the games success as an SP title and calling this BAD makes no sense.

Knight_Yellow

12-30-2002, 05:41

ur all lazy assed ppl at CA aint ya.
No second patch. LOL
dont even try to say anything in defence of urself's cos age of mythology had been out for less than a week and got a patch we had to wait 2 and a half months
also do not say:-
were busy working on other things
were not as big as microsoft sos we cant have dozens working on patches

cos that would just be admitting that ur customer relations is in dire need of a few random Firings to get the rest of u working again.

I am extremely dissapointed in CA and Activision.

PS. watch wat u do in the future becos i think ur forgetting who puts the doh in ur pocket.
US
give us gamers a patch or we will rebel.

http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/angry.gif

TheViking

12-30-2002, 07:00

hear hear,,

What you do today will echo in the future.

Muneyoshi

12-30-2002, 07:18

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Dec. 29 2002,15:41)]ur all lazy assed ppl at CA aint ya.
No second patch. LOL
Hey #######, CA HAS done more, but perhaps if you used your EYES and read what barocca said you would see that. And if you read around you would see that ACTIVISION decides how many patches come out, not CA you prick. (Sorry everybody, but this guy choosed the wrong time to piss me off)

Hey I have an idea Knight_Yellow, and everybody else who is complaining for that matter, how about YOU try and make a game, let alone trying to get it bug free. So stop your bitching until you know how hard it actually is.

As for rebeling, have fun

TheViking

12-30-2002, 07:32

Citera[/b] (YagyuMuneyoshi @ Dec. 30 2002,06:18)]Hey I have an idea Knight_Yellow, and everybody else who is complaining for that matter, how about YOU try and make a game, let alone trying to get it bug free. So stop your bitching until you know how hard it actually is.
Im complaining too. why should we even try to do it. I never studdied or took any exams to make PC games, like they on CA or activison. We bought their game that they made, cant we then atleast expect the game to work properly.

If you need to be operate on, do you go to someone that repair cars? I dont think so, you go to one that knows what he/she is doing. The same as we do when we buy games. We buy the games from companys that knows what they are doing.

I cant get my money back for this game, not even if i would sell it i would come near the price i payed. I cant go back to the shop and say: it didnt work, let me try another copy.

I demand a new patch so the game will work properly, or CA/Acitvision can give me my money back.

They say that the new add-on will corect some of the bugs there is but cant say wich. Plus we have to buy that game too. Think if that doesnt work properly either.

Wasted money i say

Muneyoshi

12-30-2002, 08:12

Comparing an operation from a mechanic to buying a game from ANY company doesnt make much sense.

You say that they know what they are doing so their should be no bugs. You can take EVERY game ever made, EVER, and it WILL have bugs. EVERY ONE Diablo II had bugs. WC3 had bugs. Every game has had bugs. Dont get me wrong, im a bit pissed and dissapointed that their isnt going to be a new patch, what put me over the edge is saying that its CA's fault, cause it isnt. W/O CA their is no MTW, their is no STW their is no TW. Do not blame CA, blame Activision for the lack of new patch.

I think ive gotten my point over enough, lets see what you guys try and throw at me next

el_slapper

12-30-2002, 12:24

Bugs are part of programming. This is not limited to games. I'm programming in banking and there are also some flaws... The difference is the time allowed to debug. I spend far more time debugging than programming, and some people here are 100/100 devoted to debugging. This costs both time & money.

Money CA don't have much. Time gamemakers don't have at all. Every month god makes, another editor can sell a better game, and screw your sales down. So you can't afford the depth of beta testing I'm happy to do with banking applications.(and you should be happy too, your credit card would behave strange otherwise).

Concerning patches, there seems to be a conflict between the developper & the editor. The developper seems to want to correct more things, but the editor wants them to focus on the add-on. Remember the add-ons usually sells as much thatn the original game, sometimes even more(thanks to piracy, that was true for AOE & AOK), and is far less costly(the overall structure is already there; there lacks only the design and its implementation). So it's easy to understand Activision's priorities.....

I know it's frustrating to get crashes, or flawed GA counts, or other glitches. Anyways, despite the bugs, it's a masterpiece. I spoke. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif

MajorFreak

12-30-2002, 13:24

must say i was bloody impressed with the fix list they put out on that patch. most game developers put out shitty patches with nary a thought to tweaking stuff across the board.

What was critical that the patch fix was the "problem with reinforcements not appearing in replay", the "swiss pikemen availability" and the "ships retreating in naval combat too easily" (though the last one is learned by trial and error, it was annoying. very annoying)

*shrug* I do hope the Khan's (multiplayer dudes) liked the new patch.

anyways, happy to hear there's an expansion. *g*

TheViking

12-30-2002, 21:48

Citera[/b] (YagyuMuneyoshi @ Dec. 30 2002,07:12)]Comparing an operation from a mechanic to buying a game from ANY company doesnt make much sense.
I didnt compare it with operation, read damn it.

I said if i need to be operate on, I go to a doctor.
If my car need to be reapaired, I go to one that knows how to repair it.
If i want to buy a game I buy from a company that knows how to make games.

I dont know how to make a game and the guy said that we who should complain should try to make one. I dont know how to make one. So why would i try, the same thing is, with operation, you dont go to one that dont know what he does. Or do you.

el_slapper

12-31-2002, 10:44

What you don't see is that doctors make mistakes. The eye-correction effect of my glasses were wrong during 4 years because of a mistake, of course. I've seen repaired cars functinonig worse than before repairing. Expert does NOT mean flawless. When you pay professionals to build your house there are still flaws. Less than if you had built it yourself, but still flaws. The math teachers are professionals too, thus the sometime makes errors that attentive students will correct - and the higher you go in your studies, the more true it is.

Programming, wether Windows, the management of dreditcards or a video game doesn't escape to the failibility of man. Bugs are normals. It does happen. Errare humanum est. What would not be normal would be to release a game, find errors, and not to correct them. If main flaws(crusades, GAs, maybe MP if I play it) are NOT corrected in the add-on, I'll complain. Till then, I'll keep myself happy with that masterpiece.

TheViking

12-31-2002, 18:22

Did i say that a doctor never make misstakes. No i dont think so.

I just said if i must be operate on i go to a doctor if i want a game a buy it from a company makes them.

Dont you see the picture.

I dont go buy a game from someone that dont know what he do.

That other guy said we that complain should try make one.
And i said: why should i try I dont know what i was doing if i tried. So who would go buy that thing that i made that wont even look like a game.

It would be like people come to me and want me to repair their cars or operate on them. I wouldnt know what i was doing then either.

Dont you get it. If not stop replying on my posts

Knight_Yellow

12-31-2002, 18:50

exactly CA have treated us like second class citizens and just expect us to be ok with an extremely bugged version of an otherwise good game.

and if we want a upgrade weve gotta shell out more money HA fat chance.

Xiahou

01-01-2003, 11:01

I find it offensive that they are going to try and make us pay for bug-fixes in the form of an expansion. Repairing bugs in a program that I've already bought to make it work is not something I should be paying for.

As for the Expansion.. I can only imagine what kind of support it will get- Most of the dev team is working on TW3 already. Most likely, however it is when its released is how it will stay. Honestly, Ive had relatively few problems with MTW- but I am extremely unhappy with the bussiness practices of CA/Activision (whoever is responsible- it makes no difference to me) and as such I doubt that I will buy the X-pack or any of CA's future offerings. I am seeing a disturbing trend from software makers of a 'take the money and run' policy where they sell something, quickly abandon it and then try to cram their next product down your throat- and I will not support companies engaging in this. *end rant*

Dijeeh

01-01-2003, 11:49

Quote[/b] (GilJaysmith @ Dec. 29 2002,23:01)]
Quote[/b] (einar @ Dec. 29 2002,12:55)]Well, i hope that the vikings expansion fixes all the bugs that we've reported. The expansion'll be downloadable or we must to buy it???
Don't know what it fixes, and you'll have to buy it.
Electronic Arts and Activision are both guilty of this.

Instead of release much needed patch to the comunity like they should, they bundle it with an unneeded Expansion Pack, So if you want the benifit's of the patch we are entitled to (having purchased the original faulty game) We are forced to fork out extra cash.

It's unfair.

Have a look at Battlefield 1942, it's croaked with Bugs, yet they release Road To Roam, and expansion for a mostly Multiplayer game.

this will devide the BF1942 Comunity between those who fork out $$$ for the expansion and those who dont

It's not likely Expansion Servers will allow people with the original game.

Well done EA, You suck.

Cooperman

01-01-2003, 12:26

Quote[/b] ]Bugs are part of programming. This is not limited to games. I'm programming in banking and there are also some flaws...

you couldn't add a little bug that adds a few 0's to the end my balance http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

Muneyoshi

01-01-2003, 12:38

THANK YOU el_slapper Finally someone who understands my point

And Viking, you are somewhat contradicting yourself in a sense, you make it seem like no doctor has ever made a mistake in your argument, then you so kindly say that you did not say that. Yet read what you have said again, you imply that no doctor has made a error.

Plus, everyone who is complaing is WASTING THEIR TIME, THERE WILL NOT BE ANOTHER PATCH SIMPLE AS THAT

TheViking

01-01-2003, 20:36

Yaguy: quote me where i said that doctors never make misstakes. And then drop the doctor thing. It was an example. I could have used something else.

What i said was, that let people work with what they are educated to.

One of you who sees CA as gods, said that we who complains should try to make a game, and see how hard it was.

Then I made some examples like:
* doctors operate
* game makers, makes games
* a mechanic fixes cars

you see i dont have any education to make games, so why should i even try, thats why i made those examples.

Then you tried to make some stupid comments over that.

Xiahou

01-01-2003, 22:31

Keep in mind... when a doctor makes a mistake they can get sued for malpractice and lose their license.

Where this like the gaming world... if a doctor screwed up when removing an appendix they'd offer to fix it only if you agreed to pay to have your stomach stapled as well.

el_slapper

01-01-2003, 23:58

If every doctor that made a mistake would lose its license, it would not remain much of them... I'm not programming games, but according to the budget they have(far inferior than a quake-like), that's already a big thing. If you're not happy, don't play anymore. You don't need gamemakers as much as doctors.

No, I cannot add money to your accounts. Even mine.

TheViking

01-02-2003, 00:20

for the gods sake, dont try to get my posts to say something else then what they do.

I dont say the gamermakers should lose licens becus they make buggy damn it.

For the last time i dont go to a doctor if i want to buy a game. and I dont go to a gamemaker when i need a doctor.

And im not a gamemaker so why should i try to make a game.

Dont you get it.

And why should i stop play if im not happy. I bout the game.
I just want things to get better but i dont want to put out money on this game then i already did.

Example: THIS IS JUST EXAMPLES
* if you take your car to a mecanic, and they made a misstake while repearing it, you can always go back with it so they can fix it.
* If you buy a car and the car brake you can take it back and they fix it
* If you broke your arm and go to a doctor to plast it, and the doctor dont get it rite, you can go back and the doctor fix it.

So why shouldnt i have the rite to have my game fixed if it dont work. They can fix it

Magyar Khan

01-02-2003, 03:06

viking this is how thing go at this forum. there are 2 sort of people in here concerning teh games state.

some/most people buy a game cuz the played teh demo. the demo is a demo so in general u can expect bugs to get fixed. there wasnt a multiplayer demo.

its strategy

when game was released it was freaky buggy, esp mp wise. the developers stated that mp isnt their market, see the mp part as a goodie, like teh mapeditor.

its a pitty

sadly this was never advertised, in previews and interviews the games representatives are happy to mention that the "We focused especially on the multiplayer part of the game. Major improvments are made to adress the needs of our small but loyal online community. Online gaming is the future and we are ready for it".

its marketing

when u read the gamebox "Epic multiplayer warfare bla bla bla"

its hyping

and suddenly something funny happends, an add on will/might fix some errors. but for this improvment people must buy an addon.

its moneymaking

the addon will have some major bugs, maybe intented put into the game so we cry about these "fixable" things first to be patched. we get our patch, which adresses 60% of teh bugs we find and thats it.

its bull

koc was referring to major games being betademo'd but even smaller studios manage to outpatch the consumers. if we all agree that this game is epical and longlasting why does it fail to step in line with teh biggest of games....?

it lacks vision

many people got online in teh first months and were scared by teh annnoying bugs. I myself played some games meanwhile to reduce teh stress and teh multitasking in my head of remembreing every pixel color of my wallpaper after teh games locked up again.

it lacks patches

thats all

we better save energy for the whining sessions after teh release of the add on.

Daevorn

01-02-2003, 03:18

I'm agree with The Viking. Well, I really like CA games, I think total war series are something new in strategy games, but this don't allow CA to do everything they want... Ok, bugs are normal in programming, CA don't have money, but... I don't care I paid 55 euro for a game, I want that the game works PROPRELY. I don't want cav rush, I don't want pavise arbalestrier wars, I don't want to play only in some eras or with 0 honour because CA balanced the game for those parameters.
CA have to find some way to fix the bugs. They are lucky, because this is a very strong community, people work for the game, but they don't mind at this.. I read somewhere that Kocmoc and someone else are making a new stats that fix some unbalanced units (cav arch, for example), why they don't consider this? They can ask Clans to test this stats and then release a new patch.
I'm dissapointed of this behavour, maybe CA don't care about me, but I really hope that new games like total war series will appear soon. How many games are RTS? Why there's not games like medieval?
My hope is that soon there will be lots of strategic games like medieval, so we will not have to create "mods"... for example we'll have a Napoleonic total war by EA, an American civil total war by Microids and a Fantasy total war by blizzard...
We need competition.

http://utenti.lycos.it/daevorn/hpbimg/avatar3.jpg

Daevorn

Magyar Khan

01-02-2003, 03:30

well the basic stats are ready for months but liek most things people want a lot but when it comes to action they are lazy themselves too.

Xiahou

01-02-2003, 04:41

I very much doubt that there will be a patch after the expansion- its being made just to wring more money out of us. It seems most of their efforts have already shifted to TW3.

Muneyoshi

01-02-2003, 05:43

Quote[/b] (TheViking @ Jan. 01 2003,06:36)]Yaguy: quote me where i said that doctors never make misstakes. And then drop the doctor thing. It was an example. I could have used something else.

What i said was, that let people work with what they are educated to.

One of you who sees CA as gods, said that we who complains should try to make a game, and see how hard it was.

Then I made some examples like:
* doctors operate
* game makers, makes games
* a mechanic fixes cars

you see i dont have any education to make games, so why should i even try, thats why i made those examples.

Then you tried to make some stupid comments over that.
You are right, you dont have an education in game making so dont think that its even POSSIBLE to get a game 1--% bug free. Or even close.

As for "One of you who sees CA as gods", hardly, I enjoy games that CA make doesnt mean I look at them as "gods"

As I have said before, take anygame out there, ANY, and thier WILL be bugs

Daevorn, im pretty sure they wouldnt be able to use "Total War" but I know what you are talking about:p

Xiahou saying their will not be a patch is ludacris, their wil be a patch for the expansion, but it will be like MTw, only one. Just because they are working on TW3 doesnt mean anything, game development is a constant buisness

As el_slapper said, "if you're not happy, don't play anymore" simple as that.

TheViking

01-02-2003, 05:59

YagyuMuneyoshi: I think your very narrowminded. You only see what you wanna see. I dont care if there was billions of bugs in this game, if they only would fix them without taking more money from me.

If you dont understand this time Yagyu, you will never do it.

Knight_Yellow

01-02-2003, 06:06

Ok yagyu heres another way of putting me and vikings dissapointment in CA's attitude.

If u buy a cable tv package and despite all ur Flicking u only get 3 quarters of the channels u ordered do u...

A. demand that u get the whole package working
B. quietly spout slogans of abuse at cable but not too many
C. be a puppet and say Oh yeah cables so great

sadly u r letter C me and viking are letter A

it is very dangerous for CA witch aint a big companie to neglect its fans in sutch a way.

ull also be happy to know that even MP is more screwed now no1 can see any games and most cant join any without relogging/restarting/rebooting .

I expect the products i pay for to work and if there is a problem the company should work to fix it.

Xiahou

01-02-2003, 06:57

Well yagyu... we'll just have to wait and see won't we?

Muneyoshi

01-02-2003, 07:36

Ah Viking, I believe you are mistaken, no one ever said I was happy about no new patch, but im tired of the constant bitching about it. Their will be no new patch, none, zero, ziltch and any amount of complain will NOT change that. Explain to me "You only see what you wanna see" would mean, I am not ignorant in this, and I see everyones point in this matter, but complaining about it isnt gonna get you a new patch.

Knight, while you do make a point, you also must know that their is a difference in cable and a game (apart from the obvious). And I also have to say that I know about MP, and that pisses me off more then you know but bitching about it doesnt always help and just pisses people off more then it helps.

Xiahou, in sense, yes we will, but I am 99% certain thats it it will be (I dont know if you were here for MI, but thats it was then) CA is more then just a few people working on a single game, their are guys working on the expansion and people working on TW3 (This has been, more or lesss, confirmed to me by Gil)

You all have to understand that, as I told viking, I am not happy about no 2nd patch, but I blame Activision in this matter, NOT CA, that is what got me angry is cause you guys believe it is CA's fault and its NOT and until you understand that. Gil has even said that they did more fixes then what was released, and they were hurried by Activision to get the patch out before they CA wanted to. I can not state this enough, IT IS ACTIVISIONS FAULT, NOT CA

HopAlongBunny

01-02-2003, 08:22

Quote[/b] (YagyuMuneyoshi @ Jan. 02 2003,00:36)]IT IS ACTIVISIONS FAULT, NOT CA[/b]
Who cares?

Either way its crap. Shell out more money for a patch? Not likely http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wave.gif

TenkiSoratoti

01-02-2003, 15:52

I am totally on Yag's side, why dis CA?

Viking i have seen you online all the time, you are always there whenever i come on, so you must be neglecting your social life for this brilliant game. Your moaning your ass of about the game making pathetic comments on how CA are neglecting you, i would have thought the best protest you can do is not to play the game online but no you are there everyday and every hour playing it so why moan like a critic?

Muneyoshi

01-02-2003, 15:56

Good question, if you hate it so bad, then why are you on every waking moment?

Swoosh So

01-02-2003, 16:22

Yagu if you dont like the bitching about patches why dont u just stay out of the "bitching threads", I dont post in the bitchy threads generally, but then again im not playing online at the mo http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Why dont we all start a thread discussing unit stats which seem to be the major problem or get all the old beared patrons to knock their heads together and see what we can come up with?

Swoooooooooooooooooooosh

Muneyoshi

01-02-2003, 18:27

(Remember what we were talking about clans and being called by them Doug?)

Swoosh, its hard to when they are all over the place. I was agreeing with everything at first, but..someone...pissed me off by starting to blame CA for the lack of patch, thats the only reason why I am "angry" it is the publishers decision on amount of patches, no matter what else you guys say or think, that is the truth

Magyar Khan

01-02-2003, 18:28

without bitching no patch, so if we let our heads down already we will never see one. just save energy and prepare for another outburst idf teh add on shows to be buggier as we ever could imagine.

SmokWawelski

01-02-2003, 20:31

Maybe there will be "one right Robin Hood" who will leak an unofficial patch (Gil http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif )or maybe the not-included fixes will find their way into the Xpack?

Anyway, life is tuff and that's the end of it.

TheViking

01-02-2003, 20:34

Citera[/b] (Tenkisoratoti @ Jan. 02 2003,14:52)]I am totally on Yag's side, why dis CA?

Viking i have seen you online all the time, you are always there whenever i come on, so you must be neglecting your social life for this brilliant game. Your moaning your ass of about the game making pathetic comments on how CA are neglecting you, i would have thought the best protest you can do is not to play the game online but no you are there everyday and every hour playing it so why moan like a critic?
My online name is FearTheViking

Just so you know im not that much online. Why, cus i always CTD.

The other TheViking is another guy he took my old name i used in MI/STW

So how is your social life, if you see that guy everyday everyhour.

This is my names i used, tell me if you recognize them

*1 Vikingen in STW
*2 AggonyViking in STW/MI
*3 TheViking in MI/MTW (MTW, only in sept then i joined the Fearfullway)
*4 FearTheViking in MTW

Ooops you maybe should get some facts b4 you moan about somthing