View Full Version : Small Mafia Game Tokens of My Confection [Concluded]
GeneralHankerchief
11-12-2016, 03:03
Town Pizza doesn't butter up people whose votes he needs to lynch a scum (Riedquat, Sooh, Cuthilius...). He's just a bloodhound pushing forward regardless.
Sorry, but I really think CFDs are a terrible idea in general, as they reduce the population of town that can vote, and there is a decent chance that scum will engineer them for this reason because they can coordinate better to all be online right at the time.
GeneralHankerchief
11-12-2016, 03:06
Sorry, but I really think CFDs are a terrible idea in general, as they reduce the population of town that can vote, and there is a decent chance that scum will engineer them for this reason because they can coordinate better to all be online right at the time.
Ignoring the CFD factor, how do you feel about Pizza?
Scarlett Aria
11-12-2016, 03:18
Sorry, but I really think CFDs are a terrible idea in general, as they reduce the population of town that can vote, and there is a decent chance that scum will engineer them for this reason because they can coordinate better to all be online right at the time.
DP what are your thoughts on the convo between me and Pizza?
Ignoring the CFD factor, how do you feel about Pizza?
I mean, he's Pizza. I put him as null because I have no confidence in my ability to read him, an am only voting with him because I have to give everyone a chance, and it's not fair to a player to deliberately never trust them because you can't read them.
DP what are your thoughts on the convo between me and Pizza?
I feel you calling him mafia after he claimed SK under no pressure a strange action if you are town. I would have to reread to get a more solid read, but currently I am occupied doing other things and should probably stop this soon, so I don't think I will have anything better until next phase.
Scarlett Aria
11-12-2016, 03:25
I'm vanilla town and we really need to lynch scum today. It's getting extremely close to mylo/lylo too.
Synecdoche
11-12-2016, 03:32
Day 3 Final Vote Tally (as of post 757):
Lynch votes
6 votes: Scarlett Aria (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722680#post2053722680), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722850#post2053722850), Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722893#post2053722893), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722903#post2053722903), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722949#post2053722949), Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723000#post2053723000))
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722780#post2053722780), NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722862#post2053722862), Scarlett Aria (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723022#post2053723022))
2 votes: Askthepizzaguy (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722748#post2053722748), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722946#post2053722946))
Voting history:
Cuthillius
El Barto
Al Sipsclar
Newyn
BSmith
Scarlett Aria
Scarlett Aria
Scarlett Aria
Askthepizzaguy
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Cuthillius
Cuthillius
Scarlett Aria
GeneralHankerchief
Unvote
Scarlet Aria
Scarlett Aria
Scarlett Aria
Askthepizzaguy
Scarlett Aria
Askthepizzaguy
Scarlett Aria
GeneralHankerchief
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Synecdoche
11-12-2016, 04:50
https://i.imgur.com/E7A1jNQ.jpg?1
No one cast a longing glance in your direction. Not anymore, at least. Those days were long gone by, when children would run to the bakery, and with watering mouths and shining eyes, point to you and ask their parents for just a slice of your heavenly softness.
Gone were those sweet times.
Your parents told you of those times with longing and delight. How easy it was to be your kind, back then!
Now, all you could do was sit, and wait, and hope that someone would turn your way. But with the recent trend towards healthy grains, you knew that you’d be the last to go. You were neither sugary nor special enough to be picked by young children, nor were you healthy enough to tempt the typical suburban mother of two.
You knew all along that you would not find a home of your own, so you waited with listless expectation of when you would expire. That time was the most dreadful and monotonous silence you had experienced in your short life.
It would be over soon. You prayed for sweet relief.
@Scarlett Aria (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100062) was:
Hi Scarlett Aria,
White Bread
You are a slice of White Bread (aka Vanilla Town).
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/86TlpKHzxjCUF0l2vgaO4fZbD30xfNCvGyGypjkvqhlCSblKfjV_536OVOp_KwnVTbXtqQkNSimDMiWhi5acm4EnpTvqjt-6fTn-vQyzaKy8PcDDHBWjC6n1YmDChf__U9q7hxk3
Win Conditions:
[*=1]You win if all threats to town are eliminated, and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities:
[*=1]You're the best thing since sliced bread. Lol jk. You have no abilities. Your minimal strength comes from your vote. Hopefully the bacteria you've picked up from rolling around on the ground have mutated far enough to give you intellect.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/FVzOcJwGRphqjTbIFt1RmznJHDH4ZyaFBwdxdGCdqhDQYH7K0rRi6-ebWERckDXsZ3x_VV64wafG73n4RVJpo5xgrZWe-o3QqGBDBTrUvfF7NRXW-PDedBuF5l5-4iWshlSgNXmN
1. @Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872)
3. @Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100377)
5. @Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=13388)
6. @BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273)
7. @novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100369)
9. @GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=16104)
11. @Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99877)
13. @Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974)
14. @Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=98969)
15. @Scarlett Aria (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100062)
16. @NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100414)
17. @Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057)
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Synecdoche
11-12-2016, 05:05
The OP (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222-Tokens-of-My-Confection-In-Play&p=2053721270&viewfull=1#post2053721270) has been updated with the live player list and the deaths.
Live player list for your reference:
1. @Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872)
3. @Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100377)
5. @Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=13388)
6. @BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273)
7. @novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100369)
9. @GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=16104)
11. @Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99877)
13. @Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974)
14. @Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=98969)
16. @NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100414)
17. @Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057)
Synecdoche
11-13-2016, 04:02
https://i.imgur.com/ZXgS6oR.jpg?1
Darkness descended down on the confectionery.
The delectables drew up diagrams to lay dormant for the duration. The debrief went without difficulty and the display den soon became a dormitory.
After a duration, dreams developed. Doubtless divinations of decent confections departed the digs. A diaspora! Dare the delectables dream the direct deed?
These drowsy deliberations soon reached their denouement, for the door soon departed its dis-opened position. In danced a diabolical desperado.
"Divine!" our devil declared, and discriminated upon his decision. Riedquat definitely looked delightful.
"Down the hatch!" divulged the depraved delinquent, and downed the doomed delectable deeply into his facial ditch.
Delicious.
(Except for the fact that, uh, this delectable wasn’t exactly edible…. Pssh, details.)
@Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=13388) was:
Hi Riequat,
Giant Robot
You are a giant robot (aka Serial Killer).
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/w3ksT8S4CJxkLPgoIwR268gS-_Phj0Cm2RruPRi8LgOKJg64kQrk6xD-I0wZBaXVVU7dsHFwEG7G2Z49vsGoVbxT7hL2HDQ4w70mDkHmwJKWo2a8I4l-eRwCdfmabqr-8aeHM295
Win Conditions:
[*=1]You win if you are the last one standing (or if nothing can prevent the same).
Abilities:
[*=1]Being a giant robot, you have no care for taste. You will pulverize humans and baked goods just the same. Your main concern in your mainframe is the total destruction of everything in your way. You have a 1-shot bulletproof vest which passively triggers once you are targeted in the night, protecting you from one kill. Each night, you may target one player to pulverize them (kill them).
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/FVzOcJwGRphqjTbIFt1RmznJHDH4ZyaFBwdxdGCdqhDQYH7K0rRi6-ebWERckDXsZ3x_VV64wafG73n4RVJpo5xgrZWe-o3QqGBDBTrUvfF7NRXW-PDedBuF5l5-4iWshlSgNXmN
1. @Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872)
3. @Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100377)
5. @Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=13388)
6. @BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273)
7. @novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100369)
9. @GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=16104)
11. @Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99877)
13. @Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974)
14. @Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=98969)
16. @NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100414)
17. @Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057)
Day has started. You may post!
1. @Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872)
3. @Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100377)
6. @BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273)
7. @novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100369)
9. @GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=16104)
11. @Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99877)
13. @Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974)
14. @Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=98969)
16. @NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100414)
17. @Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057)
Well, is that (effectively) a counterclaim on pizza? I highly doubt the setup would include 2 SKs. There was also a kill every night, which means that another source of kills targeted Quat, as looking at the roles list there is no strongman. A vig maybe?
Really, no posts for 2 hours after game start? Anyway, Vote: Pizza for not doing what he said he would and this looking dangerously like last game, with him dragging me to mislynch after mislynch.
Yep, Pizza got to go today - that is clear.
Vote: Pizza
Regardless of this flip from Quat, I had the thought he probably is scum and not SK as he claimed. Didn't make much sense he claimed it and almost seemed panicking about having Alette lynched, while it was just Alette+HK who was wagons. HK who he claimed to also think was scum.
I could understand if he thought HK is town. But it felt unnatural as how it was.
Panicking about having Alette lynched, in the way he really wanted to make sure it was her who got lynched.
Regardless of this flip from Quat, I had the thought he probably is scum and not SK as he claimed. Didn't make much sense he claimed it and almost seemed panicking about having Alette lynched, while it was just Alette+HK who was wagons. HK who he claimed to also think was scum.
I could understand if he thought HK is town. But it felt unnatural as how it was.
Pizza's play last night was indeed bizarre, that theory makes some sense of it.
Tallies from day one to three, coloring in townies as cyan, Riedquat as purple and Pizza as violet for likely scum:
Final Day 1 Tally as of post 365:
Lynch votes
5 votes: Montmorency (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721668#post2053721668), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721746#post2053721746), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721867#post2053721867), Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721959#post2053721959), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721997#post2053721997))
3 votes: Cuthillius (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721786#post2053721786), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721961#post2053721961), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721995#post2053721995))
2 votes: Al Sipsclar (Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721449#post2053721449), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721527#post2053721527))
1 votes: Riedquat (NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721816#post2053721816))
1 votes: Zack (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721958#post2053721958))
1 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721471#post2053721471))
1 votes: Dp101 (Winston Hughes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721478#post2053721478))
1 votes: Scarlett Aria (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721705#post2053721705))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721539#post2053721539))
1 votes: BSmith (Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721660#post2053721660))
1 votes: NotACop (Scarlett Aria (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053721889#post2053721889))
Day 2 Final Vote Tally as of post 504:
Lynch votes
6 votes: Zack (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722145#post2053722145), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722187#post2053722187), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722209#post2053722209), El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722376#post2053722376), Scarlett Aria (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722379#post2053722379), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722397#post2053722397))
5 votes: GeneralHankerchief (NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722136#post2053722136), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722175#post2053722175), Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722343#post2053722343), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722378#post2053722378), Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722395#post2053722395))
1 votes: Al Sipsclar (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722177#post2053722177))
1 votes: El Barto (seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722201#post2053722201))
1 votes: Cuthillius (Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722221#post2053722221))
1 votes: Scarlett Aria (novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722251#post2053722251))
Day 3 Final Vote Tally (as of post 757):
Lynch votes
6 votes: Scarlett Aria (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722680#post2053722680), Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722850#post2053722850), Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722893#post2053722893), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722903#post2053722903), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722949#post2053722949), Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723000#post2053723000))
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722780#post2053722780), NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722862#post2053722862), Scarlett Aria (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723022#post2053723022))
2 votes: Askthepizzaguy (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722748#post2053722748), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053722946#post2053722946))
Pizza + GH + BSmith/Cuthilius?
Sooh could very well be scum with Pizza. Can't recall them actually showing real suspicion of each other, and there has been an odd vibe in some of their interactions. Didn't like Pizza's #723
"@Sooh
Come on. You know this is the correct move. I've laid it all out. Trust me again."
+ #740
"@Sooh, again
Please be town. You not being here makes my stomach turn."
Also, she is off the wagons on both D1+D2, and on D3 she isn't even voting. All while we are having one mislynch after another.
--
I still believe GH is likely scum btw. But it is interesting to figure out if Al Sips is scum or not. Because if he is, then I'd say it looks good for GH, since then two scum buddies would be voting him on D2, in a tight wagon to Zack who only got lynched with 1 vote above.
Askthepizzaguy
11-13-2016, 12:46
https://67.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_mcyt77amIb1qjfs9go1_500.jpg
Divine! Despite the daunting danger, I deigned it deeply decisive to dare to disclaim dwelling as a denizen of this distinct yet derelict district. I discerned with little doubt that to detect and designate the one detestably disinterested in the dogmatic and draconian and definitely destructive deadlock between the distressed diminutive day-dwellers and the disgruntled and disreputable desperados, dons of their deplorable delegation of dirty-deed doers. Dare you discredit the dashing and debonair dealer of delectable divisions of delicious pizzas? Do you dispute my discovery? Do you dislike how daringly I dislodged the dangerously depraved deviant, destroying the droid who dared devour us all, discriminating not? Dubious is the disgrace of disciplining and dispatching this darling defender, but don't worry, dire though the division between us, I do demur and defer to your duly democratic decision, and do declare my definitive demonstrable deviousness, and you may designate me as the destroyer of droids known only as D, for Doom. For such a dire doom descends, dark and deep, demoralizing. But despair not, though I denounce your actions, and declare you are all dragging yourselves dangerously towards disaster, you are all dazzling to me.
Dearly yours,
D
Sooh could very well be scum with Pizza. Can't recall them actually showing real suspicion of each other, and there has been an odd vibe in some of their interactions. Didn't like Pizza's #723
"@Sooh
Come on. You know this is the correct move. I've laid it all out. Trust me again."
+ #740
"@Sooh, again
Please be town. You not being here makes my stomach turn."
Also, she is off the wagons on both D1+D2, and on D3 she isn't even voting. All while we are having one mislynch after another.
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I still believe GH is likely scum btw. But it is interesting to figure out if Al Sips is scum or not. Because if he is, then I'd say it looks good for GH, since then two scum buddies would be voting him on D2, in a tight wagon to Zack who only got lynched with 1 vote above.
Think again.
Let me just say, that rarely do I see him more pleased with himself than when he makes a great scum post. The giggles are ringing through the house.
Rereading, on D1, Cuth is being fairly weird in his constant change of mind and doing like 10 votes within little time. Usually I find it towny that people change their mind, change vote a lot, etc. But in this case it's so much that there's an off feeling to it, while he also doesn't care to elaborate what makes his change his mind, the couple of times that happened.
Sooh, I'd like to see a list from you and some thoughts for each person left
Sooh, I'd like to see a list from you and some thoughts for each person left
I'd like for you to add pressure where there's most likely there's a scumbag. I can resolve myself without your pressure.
I'd like for you to add pressure where there's most likely there's a scumbag. I can resolve myself without your pressure.
This isn't a list
This isn't a list
Good job for noticing.
Good job for noticing.
Thanks, I'm certified in list identification.
Askthepizzaguy
11-13-2016, 13:20
Vote: NotACop
GeneralHankerchief
11-13-2016, 14:03
DO NOT TRIGGER AN EARLY HAMMER.
Vote: NotACop
Such a scummy vote ~;p
There is no mention of hammers in the op, so I don't think we have to worry about them.
Askthepizzaguy
11-13-2016, 21:54
Dear oh dear, this discussion seems deserted and depressed.
My distressed brethren, please enjoy the following distraction.
Shall we dance.... delightfully?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDdk8AHK5OY
Pizza, why did you not go after the target you said you would?
Askthepizzaguy
11-13-2016, 22:14
Pizza, why did you not go after the target you said you would?
Dear Dp101,
I decided differently. The dubious droid was too dangerous to be left alive. Decisively I acted, deftly and defiantly.
Ehh, you are too inconsistent in your motivations and targets for me. You went off to do whatever you wanted one time, how can we trust you to keep your word again? If you were not outed as a SK, I would give you a much larger benefit of the doubt, but given that you are not town aligned, it is really dangerous to let you do whatever you like.
Cuthillius
11-14-2016, 00:51
vote: GeneralHandkerchief
I still think he's scum
I have no idea about pizza, but i kinda liked him yesterday and i think the wagon on him is sketch
i thought the day was 24 hours longer yesterday, or i would have posted again
and yeah
dp is weirding me out but i also think this game looks very towny in comparison to CS
i dunno
Synecdoche
11-14-2016, 01:26
vote: GeneralHandkerchief
I still think he's scum
I have no idea about pizza, but i kinda liked him yesterday and i think the wagon on him is sketch
i thought the day was 24 hours longer yesterday, or i would have posted again
and yeah
dp is weirding me out but i also think this game looks very towny in comparison to CS
i dunno
Bolded, otherwise this vote does not count.
Al Sipsclar
11-14-2016, 01:31
Let me help you: vote: GeneralHankerchief
Pizza voted Cuth and GH
Pizza was voted by Newyn and GH
Newyn was refusing to vote GH
NAC tunneled on GH D2-D3
Cuth voted with GH on D1 and D2 and for GH on D3
Newyn voted Cuth on D2
Pizza+GH+Cuth/NAC/Newyn
Synecdoche
11-14-2016, 01:34
Tally as of post 792:
Lynch votes
4 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723179#post2053723179), NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723187#post2053723187), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723192#post2053723192), Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723289#post2053723289))
1 votes: NotACop (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723209#post2053723209))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723323#post2053723323))
Voting history:
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Synecdoche
11-14-2016, 01:44
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Let me help you: vote: GeneralHankerchief
Pizza voted Cuth and GH
Pizza was voted by Newyn and GH
Newyn was refusing to vote GH
NAC tunneled on GH D2-D3
Cuth voted with GH on D1 and D2 and for GH on D3
Newyn voted Cuth on D2
Pizza+GH+Cuth/NAC/Newyn
Could you explain this a little more? I don't quite understand your argument.
Al Sipsclar
11-14-2016, 05:04
Could you explain this a little more? I don't quite understand your argument.
There might be no clear argument to understand. I'm looking for patterns in the voting history and trying to make sense of them.
There's a proud tradition of scum voting each other. You can remember Pizza and Monty from Futurama.
OTOH, some wolves actively avoid voting their partners, even ignoring them.
Of course, these are not hard tells, and the scum can manipulate them.
So, I'm trying to look at the voting history and see if I can find any patterns that can be explained by the above. More to convince myself than the others, actually. I mostly rely on tone reads more than logic. Every time I try logic, it usually ends in disaster. :(
Pizza is the closest we have to a confirmed scum.
GH is the closest to Pizza in the sense that they voted each other.
Pizza also voted Cuth, and Cuth voted GH who voted Pizza.
This graph can be extended further, but also needs to be taken with a grain of salt.
Askthepizzaguy
11-14-2016, 07:40
Do not designate the detective who disclaims his detective status as definitely a denizen of this diminutive village. NotACop, indeed, dare I say, NotABread either. Dashing my hopes for a town declaration of victory, he dances to village reads and doesn't do his due diligence. A dunce I was for daring to deign him town. Early on, dazzling. Now, dangerous has he become. It doesn't concern me deeply, for I shall be delivered to justice. It's also difficult to describe his deviousness when dishing out D's words that are words that start with D. Others, like the dour GH, decisively indicate scum. But watch for deep wolves.
Could you please elaborate on why you think NAC is looking worse recently? I do agree that they were doing better D2, but even now they still feel solvey
i thought the day was 24 hours longer yesterday, or i would have posted again
What would you have posted?
vote: GeneralHandkerchief
I still think he's scum
I have no idea about pizza, but i kinda liked him yesterday and i think the wagon on him is sketch
i thought the day was 24 hours longer yesterday, or i would have posted again
and yeah
dp is weirding me out but i also think this game looks very towny in comparison to CS
i dunno
u wot m8
doesn't this look like a scum claim to you?
"this" being askthepizzaguy's play today
Let me help you: vote: GeneralHankerchief
Pizza voted Cuth and GH
Pizza was voted by Newyn and GH
Newyn was refusing to vote GH
NAC tunneled on GH D2-D3
Cuth voted with GH on D1 and D2 and for GH on D3
Newyn voted Cuth on D2
Pizza+GH+Cuth/NAC/Newyn
I didn't tunnel anyone at D2, so that's something you're making up.
I had a bunch of people in null group, and thought GH looked the worst of them, for what little there was to go on, so I voted him.
That's about the furthest from tunneling you can come while voting someone.
So you claiming I did seems very stretched or is a display of you not paying attention to things while writing whatever makes it sound like you have actual thoughts.
Also wouldn't call my vote on D3 for tunneling, he was simply still alive and still where I thought it was best to put a vote.
vote: Pizza. He has succeeded once again in making the game all about him. Even if his claim was BS, I’m still voting him for it. It also feels like he is just setting up people to get lynched, just like last game albeit a bit more subtly.
GamerDude
11-14-2016, 17:35
I am here. Someone cliffs me.
Well currently, Pizza has claimed SK and another SK showed up dead this morning. Most people are voting him because the likelihood of 2 SKs is very low. That is the current situation, previously there has just been mislynching.
GamerDude
11-14-2016, 18:22
Vote: ATPG
ez game
GamerDude
11-14-2016, 18:30
Here's why not Cuth based on wagonomics:
Wolves are going to follow a townie onto a mislynch. Simple as that. The first vote is the one that gets a ton of the blame, so does the vote that tips it.
Wolves followed Cuth's bad case. Don't punish Cuth, punish the wolf.
like this entire post is fabricated
There is no way pizza, or anyone else for that matter, is going to convince me this is a genuine thought.
Saying the person that begins a wagon is most often the recipient of the blame is false. Most often they are given the most leeway because they at least made a stand rather than the wolfy alternative which is to sheep and hedge.
It also implies that wolves are incapable of driving mislynches which is also not true.
Like beginning your post with "Not based on wagonomics" and then using an argument that is a best a null read gives off the impression pizza if trying to convince the thread to follow a false narrative but pretending to look like he knows what he's talking about.
GamerDude
11-14-2016, 18:32
That post is also incredibly illed time and out of place because no more than 1 person made any serious advances towards Cuth
Al Sipsclar
11-14-2016, 21:58
I didn't tunnel anyone at D2, so that's something you're making up.
I had a bunch of people in null group, and thought GH looked the worst of them, for what little there was to go on, so I voted him.
That's about the furthest from tunneling you can come while voting someone.
So you claiming I did seems very stretched or is a display of you not paying attention to things while writing whatever makes it sound like you have actual thoughts.
Also wouldn't call my vote on D3 for tunneling, he was simply still alive and still where I thought it was best to put a vote.
Here's your entire D2 contribution. Only one post with substance and only a single vote. If voting the same person two days in a row without any hesitation is not tunneling, then at best it is very lazy. Wolves do it to skate by and reduce the amount of information they give to town.
Was right on Montmorency being towny. Great job lynching him, FRIENDZ.
Had a giggle at the write up stories
Zack + ATPG both alive after 2 NKs. Hmmm
Town:
NotACop
Towny:
Dp101(tiny town points for #33 early questioning. Also like his questioning in #56, asking if I always behave like I did on D1) Also like later questions from him - seem to be in a solvy mindset on D1, so fairly towny impression. #137 is pure as fuck, and pretty sure him and Zack aren't scum partners.
El Barto(sounds fairly free in tone, although not very solvy - yet I'm fairly sure he is town)
Sooh(seems genuine in her #138+#139, while I also liked it a little that she said she'd want to keep me around just for the stories, as such statements isn't what you're trying to make as scum trying to look solving - so it is more often written by a town, imo) #160 of hers also looks towny
novice(find it a bit towny how he's also making game relevant comments in same posts as taking care of the voting) seems somewhat solvy and like his #242 thoughts(like it as in; seems towny)
Cuthilius(his defense in #259+#260 seem towny to me. I like the amount of statements he makes in #260, as I can see it is posted only 2 minutes after his #259 - so seems like something he made on the fly, which is usually at towny sign, as you don't have to consider what you write as much when you are town)
Scarlett Aria(not a strong feeling here, but from what I've seen she seems to play/sound like how I remember her as town in last games I've had with her) I like her questions for ATPG on page 6, don't think scum!Alette would interact with him often there.
Askthepizzaguy(Honestly don't know much about how to read ATPG, as I've only been in games where he was town - so far he seem solvy and fairly in his consideration)
Null:
BSmith
Al Sipsclar(tiny bit towny on page 1, but not enough to be moved out of null pile)
GeneralHankerchief(slightly dislike his reasoning for voting Monty, only stating his opinion on the other persons with votes, simply stating "That leaves Monty")
seireikhaan
Newyn
Zack(is joking for a bit too long on D1 for what I like to see from him - not damning though. Like his interactions with ATPG on page 6)
Riedquat
Scummy:
No one is scummy enough so far, that I feel it is worth placing them here.
I'll Vote: GeneralHankerchief as a start
Mostly a gut feel. He's mental, an absolute mad lad!
Please keep me in your thoughts and prayers right now.
Nothing is going on, I'm just a narcissist
Also, you know who else doesn't have any scum leans? Hitler Scum! They only see townies around them, so it's hard for a scum to find anything scummy in townies.
Worried about this lynch being so quiet, mafia might have parked their votes on someone they know is a SK and then avoided stirring the hornet's nest so that they can eliminate a threat without having to fight a counterwagon. Anyone want to hazard who the mafia are in this situation? I would probably be looking at NAC, BSmith.
GeneralHankerchief
11-15-2016, 00:39
Worried about this lynch being so quiet, mafia might have parked their votes on someone they know is a SK and then avoided stirring the hornet's nest so that they can eliminate a threat without having to fight a counterwagon. Anyone want to hazard who the mafia are in this situation? I would probably be looking at NAC, BSmith.
Any particular reason as to those two?
Any particular reason as to those two?
The recent tunnelling accusations directed at NAC look pretty damming with the quotes included, and BSmith is the most throwaway vote in-thread.
The recent tunnelling accusations directed at NAC look pretty damming with the quotes included, and BSmith is the most throwaway vote in-thread.
"looks damning" lol
why do people believe there's 2 SKs in a game that has only had 1 extra kill so far, in 3 nights? - that would be 5 kills being roleblocked/protected, or the SKs not sending in kills.
"Each night, you may target one player to pulverize them (kill them)." is what Quat's role description said.
Pizza is never town here, or he'd participate with some guesses at who the scums are at least(and he wouldn't claim SK either).
I've looked over the role list, and the only typical 3P role I can see is the SK with 1bulletproof thing to use - which is highly unlikely because of the lack of NKs.(also what 18 person setup would have scum team + 2 SKs - that could end in like 2 nights).
pizza getting lynched today always, but well, just my thoughts and lack of understanding of how anyone can consider him anything but scum
GeneralHankerchief
11-15-2016, 02:30
Food for thought: Pizza had the "D" alliteration post ready to go awful quickly.
(I 100% agree that he's mafia here)
Pizza doesn't give up in situations like this unless it's part of a trap made.
GeneralHankerchief
11-15-2016, 02:33
I think it's wise to use our time during the night phase and re-examine Pizza's post, specifically within the last phase or two, from the viewpoint that he was expecting to go down - and then we should act based off that assumption.
This is Capo IV all over again when he was dead to rights but because of certain other roles that I'm not going to mention he was free to act out and go full ham knowing that it was all going to turn out okay. Anybody disagree?
Synecdoche
11-15-2016, 02:58
Tally as of post 818:
Lynch votes
6 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723179#post2053723179), NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723187#post2053723187), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723192#post2053723192), Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723289#post2053723289), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723388#post2053723388), GamerDude (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723410#post2053723410))
1 votes: NotACop (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723209#post2053723209))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723323#post2053723323))
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GeneralHankerchief
11-15-2016, 03:49
Vote: Askthepizzaguy
Synecdoche
11-15-2016, 03:54
Tally as of post 820:
Lynch votes
7 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723179#post2053723179), NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723187#post2053723187), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723192#post2053723192), Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723289#post2053723289), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723388#post2053723388), GamerDude (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723410#post2053723410), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723515#post2053723515))
1 votes: NotACop (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723209#post2053723209))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723323#post2053723323))
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Cuthillius
11-15-2016, 03:55
vote: pizza
Synecdoche
11-15-2016, 03:57
Tally as of post 822:
Lynch votes
8 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723179#post2053723179), NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723187#post2053723187), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723192#post2053723192), Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723289#post2053723289), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723388#post2053723388), GamerDude (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723410#post2053723410), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723515#post2053723515), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723517#post2053723517))
1 votes: NotACop (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723209#post2053723209))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723323#post2053723323))
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Al Sipsclar
11-15-2016, 03:58
I'm appalled by the lack of camaraderie among the scum team. You've got two alternatives and still do nothing to save your buddy.
Vote: Pizza
Synecdoche
11-15-2016, 04:00
Final Day 4 Tally as of post 824:
Lynch votes
9 votes: Askthepizzaguy (Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723179#post2053723179), NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723187#post2053723187), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723192#post2053723192), Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723289#post2053723289), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723388#post2053723388), GamerDude (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723410#post2053723410), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723515#post2053723515), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723517#post2053723517), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723519#post2053723519))
1 votes: NotACop (Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723209#post2053723209))
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DAY HAS ENDED, NO MORE POSTING!
Synecdoche
11-15-2016, 04:08
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/54n3y5wYEdOSVREfdb0rsTJvSdjvhi6y47DYsKrQMGk3Y-wWUKb7et2_qcYjjiFCShfHrcKkupfGcKVClB64Zr005P0NcUwufcPHF4Gs-VPEuL-OacNDbj1OislZlaL4drBndOCb
The crying, bawling sound coming from the corner of the bakery shocked you. Was that really you? Why were you so upset? You had just gorged yourself on a lot of yummy cake, hadn’t you?
Wow, that stuff was rich and sweet and delicious. The taste of it melted in your mouth, and even as your soft gums closed around the crumbs, and you could not really chew, it was heavenly.
Until you tasted the slight aftertaste of something gone wrong - but you were too young to know what that was.
Your mother would find you hunched over your plate, a mouth smeared with chocolate, frosting, and cake crumbs. The cause of death?
Food poisoning from cake that had been out too long.
@Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872) was:
Hi ATPG,
Infant
You are an infant, (aka Mafia Goon).
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/LQeR-rNZgxHF5qf1lT45aEKEpMMlmYTr7Wiqr8L8k-ELwQmzdpGROzPEdiq-BAhRTdd9pkRNpWf-eyXQ0LmVvcjpajarFbkvaIL9fWCRN-phGFqKzE-H8-ZeZH5ZkipGTdVqKW2o
Win Conditions:
[*=1]You win if you eliminate all threats, and achieve parity (or if nothing can prevent the same).
Abilities:
[*=1]As a crying, bawling baby, you really don’t know any better besides your craving for baked goods. You have no abilities besides your vote, and a basic infant’s intelligence. You may eat baked goods (be assigned the factional NK).
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1. @Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872)
3. @Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100377)
6. @BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273)
7. @novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100369)
9. @GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=16104)
11. GamerDude
13. @Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974)
14. @Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=98969)
16. @NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100414)
17. @Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057)
Night has started! All night actions are due by 9:00 PM EST on 11/15 (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/wedding?iso=20161115T21&p0=179&msg=Deadline+for+Night+4+Actions&font=cursive&csz=1)!
Day 5 will begin at 10:00 PM EST on 11/15 (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/vacation?iso=20161115T22&p0=179&msg=Time+until+Start+of+Day+5&font=sanserif&csz=1).
Synecdoche
11-16-2016, 05:56
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riverrun, past Eve and Adam's, from swerve of shore to bend of bay, brings us by a commodius vicus of recirculation back to our bakery and Confectionary.
GamerDude, violer d'amores, fr'over the short sea, had passencore rearrived from North Armorica on this side the scraggy isthmus of Europe Minor to wielderfight his penisolate war: nor had topsawyer's rocks by the stream Oconee exaggerated themselse to Laurens County's gorgios while they went doublin their mumper all the time: nor avoice from afire bellowsed mishe mishe to tauftauf thuartpeatrick: not yet, though venissoon after, had a
kidscad buttended a bland old isaac: not yet, though all's fair in vanessy, were sosie sesthers wroth with twone nathandjoe. Rot a peck of pa's malt had Jhem or Shen brewed by arclight and rory end to the regginbrow was to be seen ringsome on the aquaface.
The fall (bababadalgharaghtakamminarronnkonnbronntonnerronntuonnthunntrovarrhounawnskawntoohoohoordenenthurnu k!) of a once wallstrait oldparr is retaled early in bed and later on life down through all christian minstrelsy. The great fall of the offwall entailed at such short notice the pftjschute of the mafioso, erse solid man, that the humptyhillhead of humself prumptly sends an unquiring one well to the west in quest of his deliciables: and their upturnpikepointandplace is at the knock out in the park where oranges have been laid to rust upon the green since devlinsfirst loved livvy.
@GamerDude (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100423) was:
Hi GamerDude,
Fruit Tart
You are a fruit tart (aka Neighborizer.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/XGMUfH7HLqCJ074jGRbRWpkAvz3fTw8AVpL39HW-ZCQJXhYB6KAr665_fNTwsvpFse-9LuBfS1VudafCGs58mIVHYfFdva3zcKySkg3btbMPjE405NE5R7apwvHLXydYoHbMpUxT
Win Conditions:
[*=1]You win if all threats to town are eliminated, and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities:
[*=1]You are very tasty and creative - an absolute explosion of flavor from the cacophony of fruits that you contain. Each night you target another inhabitant of the bakery to add to your neighborhood. Once your neighborhood reaches three members, including yourself, you may not add any more neighbors unless one or more of the others are eaten (or die!). When you are eaten, the small community you have built will still remain.
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/FVzOcJwGRphqjTbIFt1RmznJHDH4ZyaFBwdxdGCdqhDQYH7K0rRi6-ebWERckDXsZ3x_VV64wafG73n4RVJpo5xgrZWe-o3QqGBDBTrUvfF7NRXW-PDedBuF5l5-4iWshlSgNXmN
3. @Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100377)
6. @BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273)
7. @novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100369)
9. @GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=16104)
11. @GamerDude (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100423)
13. @Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974)
14. @Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=98969)
16. @NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100414)
17. @Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057)
Day has started. You may post!
3. @Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100377)
6. @BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273)
7. @novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100369)
9. @GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=16104)
13. @Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974)
14. @Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=98969)
16. @NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100414)
17. @Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057)
Vote: Cuthillius because there is no reason for town to wait so long to vote someone they actually want to die and there is no reason to vote for someone you don't want to kill, so only mafia is served by voting at this stage.
Cuthillius
11-16-2016, 06:47
Vote: Cuthillius because there is no reason for town to wait so long to vote someone they actually want to die and there is no reason to vote for someone you don't want to kill, so only mafia is served by voting at this stage.
i think you misunderstand what i was doing yesterday
Cuthillius
11-16-2016, 06:50
i'm actually glad gamer dude flipped, i probably would have pushed him some today, although sooh did have some good posts wrt pizza
i still think dp's town
nac is likely clear but iunno
in order i want to look at gh>al>bsmith>newyn
vote: generalhandkerchief
and i promise i will actually do some work tomorrow
i think you misunderstand what i was doing yesterday
Ok then, what was your late vote meant to do?
Al Sipsclar
11-16-2016, 09:25
Vote: NotACop
Al Sipsclar
11-16-2016, 09:42
Take Pizza home!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPcq2yo-RjY
Interesting flip, was also ready to push Gamer today based on Sooh's play.
worth remembering there is likely 3 scums left(since it is standard to have 4 scums in a 17 player game, and this game has had 1 SK while having 18 players in total).
so important that we unite votes as much as possible, as we'll otherwise open up for possibility of scum sniping at EOD for a win.
Vote: NotACop
if you're town and keep that vote on me we're probably losing. So a suggestion is that you reconsider ;)
Worried about this lynch being so quiet, mafia might have parked their votes on someone they know is a SK and then avoided stirring the hornet's nest so that they can eliminate a threat without having to fight a counterwagon. Anyone want to hazard who the mafia are in this situation? I would probably be looking at NAC, BSmith.
I highly doubt you actually believed there was a chance of Pizza being SK there. Also dislike your sudden sponge of Al Sips impressively thin case on me(claiming I tunneled Hankerchief on days I clearly didn't, then when I confront him, he just changes it to "oh then you're scummy because you voted him carelessly", pretty much).
What's the case on BSmith?
i'm actually glad gamer dude flipped, i probably would have pushed him some today, although sooh did have some good posts wrt pizza
i still think dp's town
nac is likely clear but iunno
in order i want to look at gh>al>bsmith>newyn
vote: generalhandkerchief
and i promise i will actually do some work tomorrow
What's your thoughts on Generalhandkerchief currently? Like, why is he your top suspect?
Well currently, Pizza has claimed SK and another SK showed up dead this morning. Most people are voting him because the likelihood of 2 SKs is very low. That is the current situation, previously there has just been mislynching.
I mean, DP, I can see here that you were well aware that an SK had already flipped. If Pizza was a SK that would had been 5 NKs being blocked/protected throughout this game, which is so far from likely that it gives a hint of you not really thinking things through at all.
possibly even 6 NKs, as Khan had a 1-shot vig in his tool belt.
Would like to hear where you are at Newyn , can barely remember you playing this game
My top three suspects are GH, Cuthilius and BSmith.
GH has done nothing useful, and was the counterwagon to both Zack and Scarlett (or rather, they may have been his counterwagon).
The one thing I can say in his defense is that he was (to be brutally frank) pretty useless in the last game as well, as town jailer. I've gathered that he's a strong player but I'm really not sure what his contributions are supposed to be either in this game or the last one.
Cuthilius pushed a bad case on Zack on day 2, and disappeared for most of days 2 and 3. Pizza hard vetoed voting him with dubious reasoning. GamerDude covered this.
BSmith stealth lynched Zack on day 2 and has been mostly absent ever since. Pizza did not support the case, which I felt was and is very valid. In general it's a case that scum can credibly support if it's wrong, so its lack of traction is suspicious.
We do need to block vote today. Vote: Cuthilius for now.
NAC, this is the case on BSmith:
To reiterate my case on BSmith since nobody's even commented:
He voted Zack early in the day to "poke the bear". He said he would be around. He then did nothing.
After the lynch he says he left his vote on Zack because he felt Zack didn't push back hard enough.
This feels like BSmith "stealth lynching" Zack, i.e. silently leaving an unjustified vote on Zack and letting him hang, taking advantage of an opportunity to lynch a townie who could later prove hard to lynch.
I don't like how people ignore BSmith but are happy to jump on Scarlett and GH. The case on BSmith is more concrete, if you disagree with it at least say so.
Plus the fact that people are ignoring the case.
I mean, DP, I can see here that you were well aware that an SK had already flipped. If Pizza was a SK that would had been 5 NKs being blocked/protected throughout this game, which is so far from likely that it gives a hint of you not really thinking things through at all.
Is that a scum tell in your opinion?
Is that a scum tell in your opinion?
Probably it isn't, since scums rarely do stuff that are easy to prove as not making sense at all.
So it's more to see what kind of response he'll give(which probably won't be of much use as I'm stating this now).
My top three suspects are GH, Cuthilius and BSmith.
GH has done nothing useful, and was the counterwagon to both Zack and Scarlett (or rather, they may have been his counterwagon).
The one thing I can say in his defense is that he was (to be brutally frank) pretty useless in the last game as well, as town jailer. I've gathered that he's a strong player but I'm really not sure what his contributions are supposed to be either in this game or the last one.
Cuthilius pushed a bad case on Zack on day 2, and disappeared for most of days 2 and 3. Pizza hard vetoed voting him with dubious reasoning. GamerDude covered this.
BSmith stealth lynched Zack on day 2 and has been mostly absent ever since. Pizza did not support the case, which I felt was and is very valid. In general it's a case that scum can credibly support if it's wrong, so its lack of traction is suspicious.
We do need to block vote today. Vote: Cuthilius for now.
Except that I haven't paid much attention to BSmith(I'll read the case, 2 sec), I like this guess at the last scums. GH has had a bad vibe for most of the game, and haven't really put in any attempt at solving that I remember. Cuth's D1 was really weird, the way he threw around suspicion left and right and said "changed my mind" almost identically a couple times, with no elaboration on what changed his mind.
Fine point about BSmith.
I'll take a new read through the game, and see where it gets me
on page 8 now.
fairly confident novice is town.
also think dp101 is town most of the town here, despite I actually had him on my mind as scum when reading tonight, but that was a bit connected with my belief that Sooh was scum, which was proven wrong this start of the day.
GH still looking bad on this reread(go ahead call it tunneling Al Sips)
really
so lynching yourself would be just as good as lynching monty?
i'm assuming not
who do you find scummy
who do you find towny
anybody you're convinced about either way
tone in this post from Cuth in response to Dp101 does not feel like they are scum partners at all.
GH defending Cuth's one liner posts against El Barto on D1.
I also remember that Pizza said he liked my list on D2, only commenting that he wasn't sure on Cuth though(who I had towards town at the list). Think that's a comment he'd make on a scum partner a lot more often than a town. As there would be little to no reason for him to throw that kind of shade on town!Cuth in that situation, as it did nothing. More likely an attempt at distancing.
so yeah, I think we'll find scums in both of Cuth and GH.
the votes on gh are literally
1.khaan
2.zack in response to
it's not only GH defending Cuth. Here's Cuth defending GH
Also in this:
monty is a bad wagon
gh is a bad wagon
al is a REALLY bad wagon
my wagon is even worse
and there aren't other options
this makes me depressed
If Cuth is scum, I think this looks good for Al Sips, as I doubt he'd use the "REALLY bad wagon" phrasing to defend a scum.
vote: Zack
I feel like poking a sleeping bear. It was either him or Pizza. Maybe I’ll unvote zack and then vote Pizza.
I don’t get the wagon on GH. (frankly I don’t think I’d get any wagon at the present time)
What I also don’t get: The writeup on Winston’s kill. I understand all of the words individually, yet when put together…. :crazy:
Ye this post from BSmith on D2 is pretty bad.
And he doesn't get the GH wagon, stating he probably wouldn't get any wagon at the present time. Strange thing to say regardless of what role GH actually has.
Vote: Cuth
Mainly because his case against Zack is bad.
Tinfoiling on Pizza because he seems towny even though he didn't kill anyone last night.
interesting post from Newyn on D2 if Cuth is scum.
Al sips also seems towny in tone as I'm reading through. Pretty sure he and GH are not scum partners as he comes in late on D2 and puts a fourth vote on GH so he could easily had ended up being the lynch instead of Zack, who had five votes.
BSmith and Cuth both parked their D2 votes early on Zack and had no interest in reconsidering.
Newyn voting Pizza early on D3 and Pizza responding with a vote on Newyn:
You believe I am scum and Cuth is scum and that I tried to lynch him d1.
You seem to be indicating you think Scarlett is scum, another person I have tried to get support for lynching.
I don't believe you believe that universe.
Vote: Newyn
Newyn then says he wants to lynch Cuth most of Pizza, Cuth and Alette:
There is almost no world where all 3 of you are scum together but you + Scarlett is entirely possible. I'm voting Cuth though because his case against Zack yesterday was complete BS. If he's scum, you look much better.
to which Pizza says:
Ok, let's start with Scarlett then.
I'm bussing Scarlett today. She's the wolfiest wolf, and I want to make myself look better. Then turn around and lynch me tomorrow.
Don't invert the order, because I'm a townie.
He suggests starting with Alette, having a preference of her instead of Cuth that he cares to say, despite he also cared to tell me on D2 that Cuth shouldn't be in town reads.
This looks really bad for Cuth imo
Cuthillius
11-16-2016, 16:53
Ok then, what was your late vote meant to do?
consolidate
technically i could have left my vote elsewhere with no point
that makes the vc uglier and the lynch i preferred didn't go through
"because there is no reason for town to wait so long to vote someone they actually want to die and there is no reason to vote for someone you don't want to kill, so only mafia is served by voting at this stage."
i was ok with pizza dying
i would have preferred gh
the same logic applies to pretty much everyone else who voted at EoD, but it's flawed
can you please look back at GH for me?
shortly after he says this:
You can do that or I can lynch you today, Newyn. Let's make something happen. Either get out of my way or help me lead.
Right after he says:
I'm not following you on Cuth, unless Cuth's name is against someone like NotACop for the lynch.
And I'll still think wolves are pushing v/v wagons in such a case. I'd probably call for a cfd, ineffective as that may be.
Again, I'm seeing a picture of him defending Cuth hard
Cuthillius
sorry you rolled scum mate
BSmith accused both me and Zack. He's very wrong, but he poked the bear. That gives him a pass. Well, let's see where he ends up voting today. but my first instinct on that is I don't think so.
Pizza wanting people not to mind BSmith, giving him a pass for really thin reasons.
Cuthillius
11-16-2016, 16:58
Cuthilius pushed a bad case on Zack on day 2, and disappeared for most of days 2 and 3. Pizza hard vetoed voting him with dubious reasoning. GamerDude covered this.
I pushed a case that was mostly founded around my understanding of Zack's meta
And I've barely been posting any of the days
I posted more on d1, but that was all in one chunk
so saying i disappeared after that is meh
and that's misusing the term 'veto'
Townies I'd consider letting myself hang first before I vote them:
16. NotACop
Pending entrance to that hallowed group:
17. Cuthillius
11. Sooh
Against
6. BSmith- Lean against
I can't read these people. They have to be a strong townie today or they're endgame lynchbait. Need to separate from the wolfpack.
2. El Barto- I have to iso and think.
13. Al Sipsclar- Dunno
5. Riedquat- Dunno
7. novice- Dunno
For the lynch:
9. GeneralHankerchief
3. Dp101
14. Newyn
15. Scarlett Aria
Pick em.
There's never not a scum in Cuth+BSmith here. This is on D3. He voted GeneralHankerchief mid of D2 while his wagon wasn't really serious, and now on D3 where GeneralHankerchief could easily become a lynch, he suddenly has 4 persons in his lynch group, with GeneralHankerchief being the the furthest away from bottom of those 4.
novice seems like your scum reads makes a lot of sense as the last scums - feel free to take a look at the points I've pointed out now.
Cuthillius
11-16-2016, 17:32
hardclaim desperado
let's talk about this
i can shoot someone, if scum they will die at EoD and if town I die at EoD
if they are the top wagon the next highest wagon will be lynched instead
so forth
novice seems like your scum reads makes a lot of sense as the last scums - feel free to take a look at the points I've pointed out now.
Thanks, NAC, that's a very useful recap. Your additional points all fit nicely.
hardclaim desperado
let's talk about this
i can shoot someone, if scum they will die at EoD and if town I die at EoD
if they are the top wagon the next highest wagon will be lynched instead
so forth
That's perfect. You should shoot GH or BSmith then.
You have to shoot today to prove your claim. I guess you should shoot the one with the most votes at deadline-1 hours or something, and if you don't shoot we lynch you.
Wait, we don't get the result until EOD?
Cuthillius
11-16-2016, 18:05
Wait, we don't get the result until EOD?
That is unfortunately the case.
We can test the claim by lynching one of GH or BSmith today instead, so Cuth can use his power on the other one.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
So, Cuth, you use your power on BSmith(at least that would be my recommendation).
If Cuth is actually town, my guess would be Newyn as the third scum, mostly based on having town reads on the rest and him being UTR for the whole game.
But we'll find out if Cuth is
Ye this post from BSmith on D2 is pretty bad.
And he doesn't get the GH wagon, stating he probably wouldn't get any wagon at the present time. Strange thing to say regardless of what role GH actually has.
It’s still early on D2 with zero real information to base any kind of wagon on. There is little evidence to support a wagon on anyone at this time.
BSmith and Cuth both parked their D2 votes early on Zack and had no interest in reconsidering.
As I already said, my vote was an attempt to generate a reaction. The reaction I got from Zack came across as more “meh” than indignant opposition. I was frankly expecting the latter. D2 I still don’t really care who gets lynched as there is still no info to make a real informed decision. I saw no reason to change my vote to anyone else as there was no compelling reason to do so.
Pizza wanting people not to mind BSmith, giving him a pass for really thin reasons.
Pizza knows I am not mafia so of course I am deserving of a pass… It’s clear that Pizza was pocketing me. Frankly he could also have been pocketing Cuth too..
There's never not a scum in Cuth+BSmith here. This is on D3. He voted GeneralHankerchief mid of D2 while his wagon wasn't really serious, and now on D3 where GeneralHankerchief could easily become a lynch, he suddenly has 4 persons in his lynch group, with GeneralHankerchief being the the furthest away from bottom of those 4.
Paranoid town in me feels that perhaps all the song and dance with GH was a distraction. Pizza was probably always going to go for the alternative but is putting on an act with regards to accusing GH. Classic distancing. See the Scarlet lynch as an example. I get the sense that Pizza was always going to come back to Scarlet in the end.
hardclaim desperado
let's talk about this
i can shoot someone, if scum they will die at EoD and if town I die at EoD
if they are the top wagon the next highest wagon will be lynched instead
so forth
That's perfect. You should shoot GH or BSmith then.
Shooting me will result in your death. In a perverse sense it will resolve both of us at the same time though, so I can’t say I am totally against it.
I’m fine with vote: GH today given the above feeling; Cuth’s claim, and the avenue to resolve both me and Cuth today.
We can test the claim by lynching one of GH or BSmith today instead, so Cuth can use his power on the other one.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
So, Cuth, you use your power on BSmith(at least that would be my recommendation).
Cuth could be scum angling for a final mislynch. You didn't breadcrumb your role by any chance, Cuth?
Still, all things considered:
Vote: GeneralHankerchief.
I think it's wise to use our time during the night phase and re-examine Pizza's post, specifically within the last phase or two, from the viewpoint that he was expecting to go down - and then we should act based off that assumption.
I confess I haven't done this. Have you? What did you find?
If Cuth is actually town, my guess would be Newyn as the third scum, mostly based on having town reads on the rest and him being UTR for the whole game.
But we'll find out if Cuth is
Newyn also softclaimed a power role IIRC. Should we get a full claim? Should we do a mass claim?
I don't see the benefit of mass claims.
Al Sipsclar
11-16-2016, 20:11
Vote: Newyn Why are you still alive?
Vote: Newyn Why are you still alive?
Why shouldn't he be dead?
Sorry, meant to say why should he be dead.
Vote: Novice
El Barto
NAC
Is where I'm at in terms of who I think could be scum.
Still believe GH to be town.
Don't like Ak asking that question but I have him as town for other reasons.
Vote: Novice
El Barto
NAC
Is where I'm at in terms of who I think could be scum.
Still believe GH to be town.
Don't like Ak asking that question but I have him as town for other reasons.
So you have a confirmed town(El Barto)
Me(town)
and Novice(who's probably my highest town read atm)
as your scum suspects
:creep:
Tally as of post 886:
Lynch votes
4 votes: GeneralHankerchief (NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723820#post2053723820), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723827#post2053723827), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723834#post2053723834), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723836#post2053723836))
1 votes: generalhandkerchief (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723699#post2053723699))
1 votes: Newyn (Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723855#post2053723855))
1 votes: Novice (Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723870#post2053723870))
Voting history:
Cuthillius
generalhandkerchief
NotACop
Cuthilius
Cuthillius
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Newyn
Novice
Al Sipsclar
11-17-2016, 01:42
Sorry, meant to say why should he be dead.
Yeah, I'm not experienced enough to know if I should be discussing this or even asking that question at all, but he's been hinting at "other reasons" since D2, but mafia dudes seem to ignore him and kill vanillas instead. I'm likely tinfoiling.
Vote: GeneralHankerchief
I feel that 2 out of cuth/gh/BSmith are mafia, and the remaining one is between Al and New. Not ruling out NAC however, and never lynching Novice.
So you have a confirmed town(El Barto)
Me(town)
and Novice(who's probably my highest town read atm)
as your scum suspects
:creep:
Ok, so I'm wrong about El Barto but I still think you and novice could be scum.
hardclaim desperado
let's talk about this
Did you not want to talk about this now that we're no longer voting for you? Who are you going to shoot? Will we get any mod confirmation prior to EOD that you've taken an action?
Vote: Novice
El Barto
NAC
Is where I'm at in terms of who I think could be scum.
Still believe GH to be town.
Don't like Ak asking that question but I have him as town for other reasons.
Minor derpclear for this one. :laugh4:
Well this thread is quiet. Are we all set then on Cuth targeting BSmith, lynching GH, and then lynching Cuth if he is lying?
Cuthillius
11-17-2016, 17:18
Did you not want to talk about this now that we're no longer voting for you? Who are you going to shoot? Will we get any mod confirmation prior to EOD that you've taken an action?
there's not much to say
i will say that before eod
and no, like i said
Vote BSmith
I don't want to be second in the tally.
Vote BSmith
I don't want to be second in the tally.
This isn't optimal play if you are town.. It doesn't matter that you are second in tally, that doesn't get you lynched. But when you switch vote, reducing the leading wagon(who we hope is scum), you're allowing scums to snipe at EOD.
Also @Cuthilius could you at least place a correct vote? the one you got on GH is not counting(at least not correctly by bot).
Cuthillius should work now
Personally, think the GH wagon is been steered by wolves and Cuth is BSing to get 1 more mislynch.
Don'y expect anyone to listen but that'd my 2 cents.
I understand your concerns, and share them to a degree, but even if Cuth is lying we can just lynch him tomorrow.
I guess you're right, NAC. I'm probably not thinking clearly, having serious misgivings about Cuth's play here.
Vote: GH
If there's 4 wolves to start, today's lylo so I can totally see Cuth making this BS claim.
Even with 3, he forces us to lynch 3 in a row assuming GH is town.
Nah, if we assume 3 to start we only need to lynch 2 in a row, because we already got Pizza. Even with 4
Hit post accidentally due to mobile. As I was saying, we will be down to 6 tomorrow as we have 8 currently. I literally just realised writing this that if there were 4 to start we are currently at LyLo, so maybe we do need to go cuth.
I think 4 scum in a game this size is a little too high, and we already got 2 of them...
Mafia team size is 2-3 max in my opinion, meaning we only have 1-2 left.
GH hasn't posted all day from what I remember. Might be "mafia silencer- targets another player at night to prevent them from posting the following day. Player will be informed that they are silenced." in play if he is town here. But can't remember it being used on other days on anyone? so probably not the case.
All abilities can be x-shot according to the OP, so maybe it was only used today because it could only be used once. I'm starting to get really worried about this, BSmith reassuring people that it probably isn't lylo to keep this current plan going is exactly what he would be doing if he was mafia with cuth and GH was innocent.
Yeah, OK. There is no way GH hasn't been targeted by a silencer, and according to the OP there are no village sliencers. When I get to a computer rather than my phone, I will bring up a votecount, and then vote whichever of BSmith and Cuth have the most votes.
Synecdoche
11-18-2016, 01:21
Tally as of post 908:
Lynch votes
6 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723699#post2053723699), NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723820#post2053723820), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723827#post2053723827), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723836#post2053723836), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723904#post2053723904), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723982#post2053723982))
1 votes: Novice (Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723870#post2053723870))
Voting history:
Cuthillius
generalhandkerchief
NotACop
Cuthilius
Cuthillius
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Newyn
Novice
GeneralHankerchief
BSmith
GeneralHankerchief
(https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20161117T22&p0=179&msg=End+of+Day&font=cursive&csz=1)
Time Until End of Day 5 (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20161117T22&p0=179&msg=End+of+Day&font=cursive&csz=1)
Well crap, we lost. Vote: BSmith then. NotACop Al Sipsclar Newyn Get in here we are about to lose.
We need 2 people to switch off of GH and Newyn to get off of novice, but I know that novice can't switch because he's asleep, 2 of the people on GH are mafia, so we need NAC and Al to switch or we can't win at all, and if New doesn't also switch we will still have a 50/50 chance of loss. Sometimes I hate this game.
If I'm right, I feel I should apologise for not recognising this sooner, my waiting this long has probably cost us the game.
Al Sipsclar
11-18-2016, 02:36
http://e.lvme.me/ct6ozc1.jpg
GH is:
Mafia
Town
Consolidate
Keep playing
Lose
Split
and the other
Mafia
Keep playing
Lose
lynch target is
Town
Lose
Lose
Look, there is no way that GH would willingly not post at all, especially not as mafia. The fact that the mafia could have silenced them cannot be discounted, consolidating on him is useless. If we try to vote someone else, we at least have a chance, but if we stay on GH we always lose.
I'm this close to thinking you are cuth's scumbuddy, but given that you are here I can't afford to accuse you if you are town. Just please, vote with me here Vote: Cuthillius
Al Sipsclar
11-18-2016, 02:44
If we keep consolidated we have 50% chance of keeping the game. And if we lose, we lose as one, together.
If we split the wagons, mafia will snipe in 3 out of 4, and we can blame only ourselves.
If we keep consolidated we have 50% chance of keeping the game. And if we lose, we lose as one, together.
If we split the wagons, mafia will snipe in 3 out of 4, and we can blame only ourselves.
There is zero chance GH is mafia in this situation. The thing is, right now, we know 100% that the mafia must be voting GH (unless the mafia are New/GH, but the likelyhood of that seems incredibly low), so how exactly can the mafia snipe if we split the vote? They are already on the town candidate, and if the other guy is town as well then oh well, we were going to lose anyway. However, if the other guy is in fact mafia, there is no fear of a mafia snipe, because the mafia are already on their preferred target. Like, sniping is normally when the mafia haven't voted yet and there are 2 candidates, one town one mafia. In this situation, with the mafia already on the town, there is literally no way that they can switch to make a town more likely to die.
Al Sipsclar
11-18-2016, 02:55
Ok, I'll vote with you, vote:Cuth
Don't worry, if this all goes horribly wrong I will be happy to take all the blame.
Synecdoche
11-18-2016, 03:20
Tally as of post 919:
Lynch votes
4 votes: GeneralHankerchief (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723699#post2053723699), NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723820#post2053723820), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723827#post2053723827), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723982#post2053723982))
2 votes: Cuthillius (Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053724016#post2053724016), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053724019#post2053724019))
1 votes: Novice (Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723870#post2053723870))
Voting history:
Cuthillius
GeneralHankerchief
NotACop
Cuthilius
Cuthillius
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Newyn
Novice
GeneralHankerchief
BSmith
GeneralHankerchief
BSmith
Cuthillius
Cuthillius
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Time Until End of Day 5 (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20161117T22&p0=179&msg=End+of+Day&font=cursive&csz=1)
NotACop Newyn please be around, and know that I won't hold it against you if you are currently occupied with something more critical.
Cuthillius
11-18-2016, 03:40
i kinda want to shoot al
thoughts?
would be fine with voting bsmith
Cuthillius
11-18-2016, 03:40
in fact
vote: bsmith
i think this needs to happen
y'all can figure out hanky tomorrow, i'll resolve al, etc
Cuthillius
11-18-2016, 03:41
i don't think it HAS to be the silencer, but i agree that it could be
Oh god, my paranoia is going into overdrive, I'm terrified that my main scum is agreeing with me now, and voting the guy I most thought was their partner. I guess all will be revealed in 15 minutes. Take your pick of who you want to shoot, while shooting a mafia is better shooting a town at least clears someone.
Cuthillius
11-18-2016, 03:50
Oh god, my paranoia is going into overdrive, I'm terrified that my main scum is agreeing with me now, and voting the guy I most thought was their partner. I guess all will be revealed in 15 minutes. Take your pick of who you want to shoot, while shooting a mafia is better shooting a town at least clears someone.
dude
Al Sipsclar
11-18-2016, 03:51
Should we still try and consolidate? Vote: BSmith
Should we still try and consolidate? Vote: BSmith
Well, I guess anyone but GH. Vote: BSmith
Synecdoche
11-18-2016, 03:53
Tally as of post 928:
Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723820#post2053723820), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723827#post2053723827), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723982#post2053723982))
3 votes: bsmith (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053724031#post2053724031), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053724036#post2053724036), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053724037#post2053724037))
1 votes: Novice (Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723870#post2053723870))
Voting history:
Cuthillius
GeneralHankerchief
NotACop
Cuthilius
Cuthillius
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Newyn
Novice
GeneralHankerchief
BSmith
GeneralHankerchief
BSmith
Cuthillius
Cuthillius
bsmith
BSmith
BSmith
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Time Until End of Day 5 (https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/generic?iso=20161117T22&p0=179&msg=End+of+Day&font=cursive&csz=1)
Cuthillius
11-18-2016, 03:54
who would you like me to shoot if we did lynch bsmith
also vc please
Cuthillius
11-18-2016, 03:54
aorn bsmith and gh are both going to die
who would you like me to shoot if we did lynch bsmith
also vc please
Maybe Al or New? Probably New actually.
aorn bsmith and gh are both going to die
Nah, tie = rand.
Synecdoche
11-18-2016, 04:04
Final Vote Tally as of post 933:
Lynch votes
3 votes: GeneralHankerchief (NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723820#post2053723820), BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723827#post2053723827), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723982#post2053723982))
3 votes: bsmith (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053724031#post2053724031), Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053724036#post2053724036), Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053724037#post2053724037))
1 votes: Novice (Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152222&p=2053723870#post2053723870))
Voting history:
Cuthillius
GeneralHankerchief
NotACop
Cuthilius
Cuthillius
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
GeneralHankerchief
Newyn
Novice
GeneralHankerchief
BSmith
GeneralHankerchief
BSmith
Cuthillius
Cuthillius
bsmith
BSmith
BSmith
DAY 5 HAS ENDED. NO MORE POSTING!
Synecdoche
11-18-2016, 04:57
https://i.imgur.com/tMmOxU5.jpg?1
You soak yourself in cyanide for hours in an attempt to poison BSmith, but unfortunately your efforts are in vain. Instead of the human you expect to eat you up and die, convulsing as his lips frothed in almond agony, you realize... BSmith had been beside you in your shelf of the bakery the whole time...
You take the brunt of all the poison, and crumble away because of your attempt to protect your fellow baked goods.
@Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057) was:
Hi Cuthillius,
Cinnamon Bun
You are a cinnamon bun (aka desperado).
https://i.imgur.com/5aH2afs.jpg?1
Win Conditions:
[*=1]You win if all threats to town are eliminated, and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities:
[*=1]You have a flair for the dramatic. Your sugary rolls smothered with cinnamon and icing are probably overkill. Every day, you have the option to submit a target for a kill. You may do this at any point during the day phase. If you target scum (any role that is not town), your target will die. However, if you target town, you will die in a valiant show of heroism. R I P u
It was a real tossup, you thought. Either you or him. One of you had to be going down. You were certain that your innocence and the scent of your baked good soul would shine through to the rest of your peers, but who really knew?
You closed your eyes and allowed the will of the baker to fall upon you.
There were 2 items in your list. Here they are in random order:
BSmith
GeneralHankerchief
Timestamp: 2016-11-18 03:18:05 UTC
@BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273) was:
Hi BSmith,
Banana Bread
You are a slice of Banana Bread (aka Vanilla Town).
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/nTBvP702GPgzQ22hEr405phzeXQbG2ZtgMzN-F7QAjRUW_8ySYNyprom2eiEk1kx8jHeJlybIVlzD5s0nPwmeg_NM4AgZFv128qe2EVQwiyUzqc2tg3KAqIhKXySzSg8v34OSb5O
Win Conditions:
[*=1]You win if all threats to town are eliminated, and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities:
You're the best thing since sliced bread. Lol jk. You have no abilities. Your minimal strength comes from your vote. Hopefully the bacteria you've picked up from rolling around on the ground have mutated far enough to give you intellect.
You were right all this time. You knew it! You wanted so badly to kill these pesky humans with some mold of your own, but alas, you had no such ability. But your baked good heart was in the right place. Too bad it got eaten.
@Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=98969) was:
Hi Newyn,
Raisin Bread
You are a slice of Raisin Bread (aka Vanilla Town).
https://i.imgur.com/1rgNg0C.jpg?1
Win Conditions:
[*=1]You win if all threats to town are eliminated, and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities:
[*=1]You're the best thing since sliced bread. Lol jk. You have no abilities. Your minimal strength comes from your vote. Hopefully the bacteria you've picked up from rolling around on the ground have mutated far enough to give you intellect.
You heard the cry of your fellow baked goods with a surprising amount of fear and sadness. What was going to happen next? Though you had been vigilante for many days, and perhaps had suspected that there would be humans who would try to eat your companions, you had no clue that you would be next!
@NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100414) was:
Hi NAC,
Rye Bread
You are a slice of Rye Bread (aka Vanilla Town).
https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/17-41gOijN8Nf9kAfiU8mq1PB_JWad2XVbU3UqTh2Lx2mhw-s76357H2etkEV936ozy4-DaLfD8Kv4XIbwcls5NKZBmBcz8MPoSGAPopDhCv6nGEeAQ_v2pfzrx1OqIhCHYLc3Il
Win Conditions:
[*=1]You win if all threats to town are eliminated, and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities:
[*=1]You're the best thing since sliced bread. Lol jk. You have no abilities. Your minimal strength comes from your vote. Hopefully the bacteria you've picked up from rolling around on the ground have mutated far enough to give you intellect.
Perhaps you were too young and naive for this world. You thought humans were the most beautiful creatures ever and never suspected that they could do any harm. That is, until, of course, one you trusted so very much popped you into his mouth and went, CHOMP!
@Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100377) was:
Hi dp101,
Sourdough Bread
You are a slice of Sourdough Bread (aka Vanilla Town).
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/FbiKbMibRrj0gYUcg4INF8Pxa0YHVJR6UsbISL1zRaNlqTx8RYtAlzFOkuW4IU6bJ8foPUjULVGpBKfLNLGQyj8o7vS3zhuqy03i A4YSFlj6Ok7Y3Ow9EUHP_lyHPUl4WIn7kUoV
Win Conditions:
[*=1]You win if all threats to town are eliminated, and at least one town-aligned player is alive.
Abilities:
[*=1]You're the best thing since sliced bread. Lol jk. You have no abilities. Your minimal strength comes from your vote. Hopefully the bacteria you've picked up from rolling around on the ground have mutated far enough to give you intellect.
You lot were happy, you greedy freaks! Humans were going to take over the world, one step at a time, of course. What better place to start than with baked goods?
THE MAFIA HAVE REACHED PARITY, AND THUS ACHIEVE VICTORY.
@General (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=3425) Handkerchief was:
Hi GH,
Child
You are a child (aka Mafia Goon).
https://i.imgur.com/RnQaH46.jpg?1
Win Conditions:
[*=1]You win if you eliminate all threats, and achieve parity (or if nothing can prevent the same).
Abilities:
[*=1]You’re a bit more grown-up than the infant, but you’re kind of still a spoiled brat. You probably need a stepstool to reach the baked goods you desire. You have no abilities besides your vote, and a basic child’s intelligence. You may eat baked goods (be assigned the factional NK).
@novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100369) was:
Hi novice,
Teenager
You are a teenager (aka Mafia Goon).
https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/g4uyGNAXheis2QFDBC5nNPC4wi_DkiQSVug6mEzW8ZUZ3wHh-2zrqIZQ_NHJFcKV5OBTgndvN1uOqvXNe7qQxYpdhOkkCbiDvdOzsyERiie2f_vyCd1ZRLnsNjqKjXDI58LmF4Jd
Win Conditions:
[*=1]You win if you eliminate all threats, and achieve parity (or if nothing can prevent the same).
Abilities:
[*=1]Oh, so you think you’re really cool now, huh? Though you’re still living off of your parents, you parasite, you still want to have your cake and eat it too. You have no abilities besides your vote, and a basic teenager’s intelligence. You may eat baked goods (be assigned the factional NK).
@Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974) was:
Hi Al Sips,
Parent
You are a parent (aka Mafia Roleblocker).
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/ASStFkf6Gw4KMV9j_jeMQMrbnTN-pNjbyNwFCh3M644-kBSVE2rES9bUjLoy68xryjuWcnlP5X6Agn_nqVZ6Q8FRIfWCH9q4WlZOmQfJyXEe1hC1LXLTda7SFaKsFWKpXe27xlB8
Win Conditions:
[*=1]You win if you eliminate all threats, and achieve parity (or if nothing can prevent the same).
Abilities:
[*=1]You certainly have the finances to pay for eating baked goods. Though you’re supposed to be a functioning adult, why are you still returning to this bakery every day and night? You practically live there; you shameless person. Every night, you may target one inhabitant of the bakery to stop all night actions they will otherwise take. You may eat baked goods (be assigned the factional NK).
Thanks for playing, everyone!
1. @Askthepizzaguy (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=23872)
2. @El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=93318)
3. @Dp101 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100377)
4. @Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=74339)
5. @Riedquat (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=13388)
6. @BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=94273)
7. @novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100369)
8. @Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=53365)
9. @GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=16104)
10. @Zack (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=59017)
11. @Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99877)/ @GamerDude (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100423)
12. @Winston Hughes (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=49887)
13. @Al Sipsclar (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=99974)
14. @Newyn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=98969)
15. @Scarlett Aria (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100062)
16. @NotACop (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100414)
17. @Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100057)
18. @seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=22831)
Mafia QT (https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/LPchKPWCq88)
Neighborizer QT (https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/rkjSTjun3vHF)
Dead Thread v. 1 (https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/M4aCFSzs3XUnq)
Dead Thread v. 2 (https://www.quicktopic.com/52/H/gNsAqCygqfb)
GG all, goddammit Novice how did you seem so towny. Thank you for hosting!
Cuthillius
11-18-2016, 05:02
uhhhhhhhhh
i'm almost certain gh was lynched there
Cuthillius
11-18-2016, 05:03
oh wait
i screwed up the mechanics
ugh
welp
Cuthillius
11-18-2016, 05:04
sorry about that guys
it would have worked fine if i had shot the maf and we had lynched the town
Montmorency
11-18-2016, 05:08
I effin called novice, and I had my suspicions about Newyn. It's all in the dead thread. :smug:
Good game. Don't feel bad, DP - I do the same thing sometimes.
Montmorency
11-18-2016, 05:10
Al Sipsclar, that is.
lolcuth
Well, I was right about 1 out of 3 on day 1, that's something, I guess?
Synecdoche
11-18-2016, 05:14
GG all, goddammit Novice how did you seem so towny. Thank you for hosting!
You're welcome.
Damn that's a lot of scums.
So yeah, I think I basically lost the game for us. If I hadn't jumped on what NAC said, the scum lynch would have gone on as planned and we would have lived another day. As it is, my panic led to catastrophe. Of course, even if I had lived, I still would have been pretty hard to convince to lynch Novice, especially after how I lynched him last game, so maybe I wouldn't have been able to find scum in the end after all.
GeneralHankerchief
11-18-2016, 05:19
Holy crap I wasn't expecting things to resolve that quickly. :laugh4:
Going to bed, will read the private stuff and comment in the morning.
Montmorency
11-18-2016, 05:19
Damn that's a lot of scums.
Other sites seem to skew upwards with Mafia count. ORG tradition - I've seen old games, large games of 40 or 50, with 3 or even 2 vanilla scum. And they can pull it off!
Here I would definitely expect/hope for 4 mafia in a smaller game to be counterbalanced by more town roles, such as in Futurmafia.
Montmorency
11-18-2016, 05:20
Of course, even if I had lived, I still would have been pretty hard to convince to lynch Novice, especially after how I lynched him last game, so maybe I wouldn't have been able to find scum in the end after all.
I believe you would have been convinced that no scum team would leave novice alive for LYLO. Maybe not the next round - BSmith would die, having been cleared by Cuth - but final 3 could never have town novice.
Synecdoche
11-18-2016, 05:21
Mod Spreadsheet (view-only) (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dv3shR697Uwrn_kwl-PFbR2hCzW-_bSKLk2XNLwayis/edit?usp=sharing)
Night actions and everything else are included.
If you have any questions about the setup or the balance, feel free to discuss.
In an 18 player game, 4 is standard. A 17-er would have also had 4 mafia.
There were 4 vanilla mafia and a RB, while the town had a great variety of roles that could have been a) clearing b) effective c) killed mafia quickly, and the SK really should have challenged the mafia along with the town.
I thought that the game was balanced, but due to the poor play of villagers, none of the roles were used well.
The 1-shot JOAT never used his ability. The desperado didn't shoot until it was pretty late. The neighborizer did choose the right villager n1, but took the advice of that villager and let in Mafia n2.
The mafia also never blocked correctly until n3, when they blocked Riedquat after trying to kill him the night before. It was a good thing, otherwise he would have shot Pizza. Before then, they blocked and killed all vanillagers.
The SK played quite well. He found the 1-shot JOAT early on and submitted correctly on Mafia to attempt to stop them from trampling town. However, he got shot and because he didn't die, Mafia thought he was SK.
a very deserved loss
nac played well though
Anyway, good news is I can finally chart my overall strategy in mafia games
1. Get out of RVS as quickly as possible, and make it clear that I am doing this and thus acquire town points
2. Keep trying to get people to make real cases, eventually making a mistake and retracting it to reach 100% town status
3. Get pocketed by the strongest alive wolf
4. Get frustrated due to rolling vanilla again
5. Lose game due to caring about roles and paranoia
Pretty sure the first 2 steps are decent, but from there I think my gameplan could use some improvement.
GeneralHankerchief
11-18-2016, 05:44
Anyway, good news is I can finally chart my overall strategy in mafia games
1. Get out of RVS as quickly as possible, and make it clear that I am doing this and thus acquire town points
2. Keep trying to get people to make real cases, eventually making a mistake and retracting it to reach 100% town status
3. Get pocketed by the strongest alive wolf
4. Get frustrated due to rolling vanilla again
5. Lose game due to caring about roles and paranoia
Pretty sure the first 2 steps are decent, but from there I think my gameplan could use some improvement.
Dp, I know this probably isn't what you want to hear, but you'll get better - a lot better - with time. These losses are embarrassing, yeah, and they hurt, but you learn from them and absorb the lessons into your overall gameplay. Hell, I've been around since 2006 and am still a dumpster fire at this game. :laugh4:
Oh, and one more thing (there will probably be another thing, but it's the thought that counts). Al, I feel you did an incredible job of faking a town being convinced, in hindsight the vote switch itself was scummy since it didn't seem like you should have swung around that fast, but everything else about it was perfect.
Montmorency
11-18-2016, 06:11
Oh, and one more thing (there will probably be another thing, but it's the thought that counts). Al, I feel you did an incredible job of faking a town being convinced, in hindsight the vote switch itself was scummy since it didn't seem like you should have swung around that fast, but everything else about it was perfect.
Yep, shades of Kingmaker. Needs refining, but get wary if he ever comes legit out of nowhere.
Well that was a lucky resolution for us. :) This game's outcome was still uncertain.
Thanks again for hosting, Synecdoche, you did a great job.
GG all. I enjoyed playing with you all, and I don't think anybody made a fool of themself.
Well that was a lucky resolution for us. :) This game's outcome was still uncertain.
Thanks again for hosting, Synecdoche, you did a great job.
GG all. I enjoyed playing with you all, and I don't think anybody made a fool of themself.
GJ being hard for me to read again, this game + 43 has cemented in my head that the more town you look to me the more scummy you actually are.
Al Sipsclar
11-18-2016, 07:57
That was exciting. Thank you for hosting, and thanks to all who came to play. Hope you come back again.
Oh, and one more thing (there will probably be another thing, but it's the thought that counts). Al, I feel you did an incredible job of faking a town being convinced, in hindsight the vote switch itself was scummy since it didn't seem like you should have swung around that fast, but everything else about it was perfect.
Thanks, I'd do this as a town as well, most likely, only because I usually come across scummy, but I want to be accepted as town, so I'll jump at every opportunity to cooperate. If I'm actually online, that is.
Al Sipsclar
11-18-2016, 08:20
Wanted to post this parody of Billy Joel, but couldn't find the video:
(one, two, one, two, three, four!)
Some bread, you can get bargain-priced
And every loaf you buy begins with a singular slice
But you know it will go stale again
Always does, it's just a question of when
I've lived long enough to have learned
The longer it stays in the toaster, the more it gets burned
But that can't happen to us
Because it's always been a matter of crust
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 08:23
I tried to rand town this game and I failed. My bad town. Though, to be fair, I'd probably have helped you lose even more efficiently if I were town...
(hug)
GG was a pleasure to put on a decent performance for you. Thanks to my scum buddies for taking it home!
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 08:33
If the SK gets even 1 correct kill against the mafia, we probably lose the game. It typically takes one of us going ham and then self-destructing to cause enough mischief in the opening to win, then that guy is obvious. Then lose another person... and the remaining 2 should be easy enough to find.
But we did a good job of preventing several correct w/w reads. People thought GH couldn't be scum with me or al, for example, not everyone, but enough.
If Cuth gets lynched there and kills a correct suspect town lives and maybe solves it. I wanted to kill NAC for a long while, but I always had someone more important to go after, namely the SK and the Neighborizer. I knew you guys would never lynch that person if pressed.
You say you suspected her/him, but as soon as two others admitted to being neighborized by her, that would have been the end of that.
Suspecting Cuth doesn't end the game, so his role was powerful. So was the neighborizer. And Khaan getting sniped very early was a big help to us that doesn't happen often.
If say dp101 happened to be one of town's power roles, we would have been in deep crap by the end of the game. No question about it.
Getting things so close to lynch or lose so early was super important for our team's success. Elimination of the town powers and especially the SK was crucial in the extreme.
Also, Riedquat, if a kill is missing, and I claim SK to drive the lynch, I already know who you are and you're no threat to me. Rare situation to be sure, but a townie isn't claiming SK very often.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 08:35
Can you rand town and can I rand town next time? I feel like I'm becoming Riedquat's nemesis. And I like the guy.
Pizza, why claim SK? It did nothing to divide the town, as the next day pretty much everyone voted you. You mentioned driving the lynch, what do you mean by that?
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 08:47
"Given that I was pretending to be a PR, I really hope it was the scum and not a vig who killed me."
Clutch play by Winston. You successfully made me think you were PR, and we wasted the N1 shot. We needed to be very very clutch for the rest of the game thanks to that play.
The Riedquat kill attempt, followed by block and kill, was how we saved the game. That takes a LOT of our time and strength to pull off, and it's still a huge part luck.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 09:02
"Pizza is the goddamn Prince of Fuckery!"
Now that is the highest praise right there.
BTW, how are neighbourhood chats normally used here? For planning? 1 on 1 interrogation of someone you think is mafia? I felt kind of aimless in there most of the time.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 09:11
Pizza, why claim SK? It did nothing to divide the town, as the next day pretty much everyone voted you. You mentioned driving the lynch, what do you mean by that?
Simple. I wanted to drive the lynch against Scarlett Aria, as my tunnel on her would almost always result in her being a vanilla townie lock clear if I happened to die at night.
Also, if GH lynched instead, the odds of the counterwagon getting lynched are lower. The order of lynches matter.
There's also something advanced as a concept that screws with townie minds in the extreme, which is that the order of scum goon lynches also matters.
Newyn aka Fleeing Coward was scum in a game, with a partner, who he had been soft-bussing all game but not pushing. As soon as there was serious suspicion on his partner, he pushed his partner hard. I immediately called him out for this, and explained their entire strategy in painstaking detail to a town who didn't care.
I said we needed to lynch him first, then his partner, or town would lose.
Town lynched his partner, never lynched him, and town lost. As predicted.
The order of scum goon lynches matters. Town never considers this, and their reads are often based on the flip of the person who died last.
If the right goon is lynched, you catch his partner. If the wrong one is lynched, you clear his partner incorrectly.
Between myself and Generalhankerchief, I know I always lynch, and Scarlett Aria never lynches, if GH gets lynched first.
If I lynch first, GH may not lynch, given some of the behaviors I did toward him earlier. And Al. That was all part of the plan. I also knew it risked GH, but Al and novice should have been cleared by those maneuvers. All we need is 1 receiver in the endzone with the football, not 4. I play for the touchdown that wins, not just points on the board followed by a loss. I know power wolfing is a thing, but against this specific audience, bussing and distancing plays are super effective.
Claiming SK under those circumstances was only slightly more risky than claiming a town power role. And, by the way, people believe SK claims, and if the SK is offering himself freely and claims to have already lost the game, town feels in control.
It was a psychological trick, to give people more confidence that my trickery all game would end, and they would resolve all their suspects.
It was an offer town couldn't refuse.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 09:12
bbiab to answer more q's dp
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 09:31
Also
Those post-dead comments publicly and in the mafia players qt were a little upsetting. Please avoid in the future.
I know you guys didn't mean anything by it, but live players could have seen both comments.
Oh, one more thing. Why in your posts here do you place such a big emphasis on PR hunting? You viewed Winston's diversion as a massive blow, and while I do think what he did was clever I fail to see how using one NK on a vanilla made it much harder to win, especially given that the PRs were kinda weak (Joat is pretty good, but desperado is either an unlikely dayvig or a trade of one dead town for one cleared town, and a regular vig can easily backfire).
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 09:33
BTW, how are neighbourhood chats normally used here? For planning? 1 on 1 interrogation of someone you think is mafia? I felt kind of aimless in there most of the time.
If you can neighborize town power roles, you can coordinate.
And yes, if it's only town in the neighbor chat, you can discuss your suspicions without tipping off the mafia. it has utility, but is limited.
Also, it doesn't hard clear the person doing the neighborizing, but it's usually a town power.
Also, mafia basically never neighborize just their own team, so if there is a mafia neighborizer, your odds of there being townies spewed from the choices to neighborize are very good.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 09:37
Oh, one more thing. Why in your posts here do you place such a big emphasis on PR hunting? You viewed Winston's diversion as a massive blow, and while I do think what he did was clever I fail to see how using one NK on a vanilla made it much harder to win, especially given that the PRs were kinda weak (Joat is pretty good, but desperado is either an unlikely dayvig or a trade of one dead town for one cleared town, and a regular vig can easily backfire).
Town powers claiming can disrupt all the work we do during the day to get a mislynch, switch up the wagons, and cause a mafia lynch instead.
And makes those pushing the town power look scummy. Pushing a vanilla townie has less of that effect. I'd rather be trying to mislynch vanillas, it works much easier.
And power role hunting with the murder prevents that, and prevents their powers from working.
Vanilla townies drawing the kill is almost always the best move early.
Thing is, Winston is also a really decent scum hunter. It was advantageous to silence him anyway.
Desperado is crushingly powerful. Even if town mislynches this person, they can function. That's why it's so powerful.
Town's strongest roles are vigilantes, followed by cops. If used correctly. Desperado is a vig type role.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 09:39
Like, I generally suck at villaging early on, but give me a vig-type role and you're almost guaranteed a dead scum. My track record as a vigilante is exemplary.
Giving any townie a vigilante power is roughly equivalent to being worth an entire goon, possibly two depending on the role. Desperado is only worth 1 goon.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 09:52
Desperado, SK, and joat vig, odds of all 3 not causing a single mafia death are pretty long. Don't let the scoreboard fool you, we got lucky.
Fun game. Congrats scums, well deserved!
Didn't get it fully right at any time, but at least I've only been voting scum/SK before all EODs.
Really good tone from novice and al sips :yes:
Did get a bad feeling when I saw the sudden change of novice though, but since he changed away from GH who I was voting, I felt there was no reason to act on it at that time(as if he was scum, he wouldn't change away from a town!GH at that time anyway).
Also, thanks for hosting!
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 10:15
GG all, thank you for hosting so I could play, Synecdoche.
Game was fun and civil and friendly, and that's always a win. Been a lot of rough games elsewhere, nice to have a friendly atmosphere even when we're lying and accusing one another.
I heart everyone here.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 10:19
Don't let the outcome discourage you too much, dp.
Actively trying to solve is good, and trying to solve for villagers within the current wagons is a real benefit to the village, it is almost always better than listlessly drifting after placing a vote.
In this example, the guy was scum. A lot of times it's going to be a town. Don't be too results-oriented.
Example, a friend I know busses as scum every game, on d1. He's won a lot. But it's generally very bad for the team. And now we're on to him, so he can't do that effectively anymore because it's too obvious and kills too many scums too early.
If you're results oriented only, you're going to overlook what's good about your game, and reward bad play that can be effective rarely. Keep developing, but don't get rid of what's good about your game.
Remember- it is a guessing game. Guessing wrong is not necessarily bad play. It's just an inevitable part of the game.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 10:23
Ah yeah the neighborizer is proven town according to the OP's rules. So it was even more powerful here.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 11:06
oh wait
i screwed up the mechanics
ugh
welp
Still confused what happened here. Who did you shoot?
But we did a good job of preventing several correct w/w reads. People thought GH couldn't be scum with me or al, for example, not everyone, but enough.
I didn't get that impression and I'd locked onto GH as scum on day 1, so once the actual serial killer died I thought "alright, Pizza and GH are definitely scum"
Had no idea on Al and Novice, though.
Note to self: Al is always the opposite of whatever I think he is.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 11:39
I didn't get that impression and I'd locked onto GH as scum on day 1, so once the actual serial killer died I thought "alright, Pizza and GH are definitely scum"
Had no idea on Al and Novice, though.
Note to self: Al is always the opposite of whatever I think he is.
Well, at lynch or lose it only takes one person hard clearing GH. At least a couple people alive thought it was possible.
Plus, if the people with correct reads are dead, we're fine. XD
Pretty much every death that happened, vanilla or not, was very good for our team. Lots of dead had ok reads.
Still confused what happened here. Who did you shoot?
He shot BSmith, so he killed himself, then it goes to a 3-3 flip and BSmith got lynched.
Desperado, SK, and joat vig, odds of all 3 not causing a single mafia death are pretty long. Don't let the scoreboard fool you, we got lucky.
Yeah I don't think town had too few power roles. Cuthilius claiming desperado was a very unpleasant surprise for us.
Riedquat, were you aiming for scum with your kills?
Montmorency
11-18-2016, 14:01
Pizza, tell me: when you said, "watch for deep wolves" before you lynched were you consciously directing the town toward novice and Al Sipsclar?
Riedquat
11-18-2016, 17:42
Good game everyone!!
Also, Riedquat, if a kill is missing, and I claim SK to drive the lynch, I already know who you are and you're no threat to me. Rare situation to be sure, but a townie isn't claiming SK very often.
I knew it! ;) Little mistake from our host informing me I was dead but I wasn't... I saw it coming but just wanted you dead by my hand and didn't wanted to align myself with these losers! :laugh4:
Mod Spreadsheet (view-only) (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Dv3shR697Uwrn_kwl-PFbR2hCzW-_bSKLk2XNLwayis/edit?usp=sharing)
Not that it matters with no blocking or tracking abilities in play, but for the record it was Al who killed GamerDude on N4.
That reminds me, thanks for subbing in, GamerDude. You didn't get to live very long but contributed nicely even so. Unfortunately we had to kill you since we couldn't let a confirmed villager make it to the endgame.
I believe you would have been convinced that no scum team would leave novice alive for LYLO. Maybe not the next round - BSmith would die, having been cleared by Cuth - but final 3 could never have town novice.
The silver lining of the desperado claim was that it gave us another confirmed villager to night kill before myself. And with a town NAC and a town Novice, one of us would have to make it to the final day. But yeah, Al and I would have tried to win it before the final three.
GG all, goddammit Novice how did you seem so towny.
It takes a lot of work... Many factors helped in this game:
- Not wanting to disappoint my teammates.
- Less general activity than I'm used to. Makes it possible to construct enough content to outWIM the villagers.
- No posting at night. Reduces exposure and gives mafia time to recharge.
- Being a relatively unknown player here.
I also think not being around at deadline makes it easier to go unnoticed. You can park your vote more strategically without catching flak for it. I managed to participate in multiple mislynches without taking any of the blame. :)
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 20:33
Pizza, tell me: when you said, "watch for deep wolves" before you lynched were you consciously directing the town toward novice and Al Sipsclar?
It's all WIFOM. I wanted them to second-guess their own hard cleared townies. Like NAC.
I often make comments as a wolf that allude to my correct partners, particularly the deep ones, in the hopes that people will think I'm misdirecting them.
If I leave it vague, it can be interpreted lots of ways. Once you start analyzing that, it becomes a red herring.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 20:35
That reminds me, thanks for subbing in, @GamerDude (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/member.php?u=100423). You didn't get to live very long but contributed nicely even so. Unfortunately we had to kill you since we couldn't let a confirmed villager make it to the endgame.
Agreed. Sooh was extremely busy IRL with her work, and could not continue playing. Town absolutely needed that clutch sub-in or else the game would have been over due to lack of people.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 21:12
Winston Hughes
Hardclaimed survivor on d1, did not live to see day 2. Coincidence? I think not.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 21:33
If you want, I can spin you a big fake BS case like I always do when I'm scum. How about I not waste anyone's time.
ISO each person and tell me what you think of them.
Me, I'm ready to flush. 2-3-4 scums there. Minimum 2. Help me lynch the right person.
I actually made a scum slip this game. 4 scums is not the norm on the org unless there's a SK and a cop or a vig or something like that.
Revealing I thought there could be 4 scums was actually legit scummy.
I don't often do something like this, so I'm noting it for the record. This was like the game where I called for a no lynch on day one. Some things I just can't explain away as townie thoughts. I could have been hammered good on this post.
Winston Hughes
11-18-2016, 21:53
Winston Hughes
Hardclaimed survivor on d1, did not live to see day 2. Coincidence? I think not.
Survived the lynch, broke the pattern, and the nk draw was fully intended. ~:cool:
Montmorency
11-18-2016, 21:55
I don't see it. We had the immediately-prior game for comparison, and off-board players would not take it as out of the ordinary. Or are you saying it could be scummy if directly linked to your later serial killer claim?
Winston Hughes
11-18-2016, 21:56
I have to take these slender silver linings, because I can't even remember the last time I won a game.
edit: Double x-post there and it almost makes sense.
Askthepizzaguy
11-18-2016, 22:17
Survived the lynch, broke the pattern, and the nk draw was fully intended. ~:cool:
I know about the latter part. Congrats, you duped me. That was why I killed you, your strat worked.
Winston Hughes
11-19-2016, 01:45
I know about the latter part. Congrats, you duped me. That was why I killed you, your strat worked.
The only thing I'm really good at in mafia is getting myself nightkilled as vt.
Askthepizzaguy
11-19-2016, 01:52
Bah, you made us kill you last game for calling out me and Monty as a pair. Every time you force the mafia to kill you because you're just too danged correct, you have to give yourself a personal pat on the back. It's a guessing game and guessing right is great.
Winston Hughes
11-19-2016, 02:14
It was too little, too late. You were there for the lynchin' that day, and I wussed out.
Hey at least you got the read right. I've been wrong about pretty much everybody in the games I've been reading since I came back. My first game for real is going to be a lulz-fest. :)
Askthepizzaguy
11-19-2016, 10:58
It was too little, too late. You were there for the lynchin' that day, and I wussed out.
Worry not, for I shall rand town soon, and then, I will be eminently lynchable that day.
It is known.
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