Confirmation of Vikings

[Kraellin]

played some mp games today and was talking with yuuki in the foyer. he pointed out something in the 'era' listing. instead of early, high, or late, there was a game up listed in the era section as 'viking'.

guess the earlier rumors were right about the expansion pack being about vikings.

K.

[TheViking]

Nice hahahahaha....

Maybe im the only who thinks that... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[MizuKokami]

i don't know much about vikings, what would be the point of a viking specific expansion. ie...what did they do that rocked the world?

[FesterShinetop]

You're asking a guy named "The Viking" http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif brace yourself

I also have no real idea what to expect

[Cooperman]

Lets see, the vikings conquered most of the british isles, northern france, sicily and russia as well as exploring north america and all between 600 and 1000 AD.

There should be plenty of challenge to either replicate their successes or to try and defend against them.

[Knight_Yellow]

it was never proven that they got to america and they didnt conquer britian or france the closest they got was building a sandcastle on the beach before the county's army got there.
and ive heard that the scotts will get to have a go so i look forward to beheading any and all norsemen who dare set foot in my homeland.
Cmon the scotts

[Stormer]

lol i dont want a viknig expansion pack how boring, who ever the game "rome" is made buy im buying it.

[Cooperman]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Dec. 25 2002,08:19)]it was never proven that they got to america and they didnt conquer britian or france the closest they got was building a sandcastle on the beach before the county's army got there.
and ive heard that the scotts will get to have a go so i look forward to beheading any and all norsemen who dare set foot in my homeland.
Cmon the scotts
you forget the normans were viking descendants

[Knight_Yellow]

yes i do forget that ur point being???

but hey its christmas lets stop the fussin and just enjoy ourselves?

[TheDanesZandy]

I am a real Dane and a Viking , we did ruel most of Europe and England and some parts of russia and all of scandinavia.

France and roman impire was plundred on raids frequently and the vikings came as close as 20 km from Rome at one point .

The romans later tryed to counqer us but thier intire army wich came up tru Germany into Jutland was killed , no one did manage to rule us in the mideval nor later in histroy .

The Vikins did not use helmet with horns as many thinks and portait them in movies and infackt most vikings did not rage war they where farmers who now and then took on a raid as they belived in valor and mandhood reflected in our belive on Thor and Odin where only a Viking killed in battel shut sit in Walhalla next to Thor . The vikings where a cicilized bunch of pepole ,tradesmen and farmers most of all , but as many enemys had learned a very strong and frighting foe .The word going " beskerk " is danish and is from the vikings meaning a furious wild killing condition killing everyone around you .

The Danes Zandy

[Knight_Yellow]

vikings conquered nothing they raided and that was that the only reason no1 invaded viking/scotland homeland is simple WHY raid a underdeveloped low crop yield very cold part of europe?
it the exact same reason that the romans never invaded scotland they didnt want to and trust me if any1 seriously considered invading the viking lands it would have been easy theres just not enough of them to stand up to the might of other countries army's.
so dont go acting like the vikings where all conquering hardmen cos in reality they werent. they raided places thats it. name one war the "vikings" waged against any other country. and by that i mean more than a couple hundred men in boats burning down monastries.

[FesterShinetop]

Well, there is this terrible war between knight_yellow and some rebellious Danish vikings http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

I actually never played Shogun, so I also never played the expansion pack for that (duh http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/rolleyes.gif ). So I have no idea whatsoever what to expect from a Total War expansion pack Is it only some Historical battles with some new units thrown in? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif Or is there a chance there are some major changes to the campaign game as well?

[Brother Derfel]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Dec. 25 2002,17:07)]vikings conquered nothing they raided and that was that the only reason no1 invaded viking/scotland homeland is simple WHY raid a underdeveloped low crop yield very cold part of europe?
it the exact same reason that the romans never invaded scotland they didnt want to and trust me if any1 seriously considered invading the viking lands it would have been easy theres just not enough of them to stand up to the might of other countries army's.
so dont go acting like the vikings where all conquering hardmen cos in reality they werent. they raided places thats it. name one war the "vikings" waged against any other country. and by that i mean more than a couple hundred men in boats burning down monastries.
Perhaps you forget the campaign of 1066, when Harald Haadraada (too many a's there perhaps http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif ) and Tostig invaded England from the north with quite a considerable force. This was no mere raid, but an army send to conquer England and put Harald on the throne. They were of course defeated at Stamford Bridge by Harald Godwinson, but my point is that they were a nation that were organised and civilised. And do not forget that a Viking was eventualy King of England. I believe it was Canute (Sp).
They also conquered and settled much of Ireland, and the hugely rich port of Dublin was a powerful Viking kingdom.
As fo no roof of the vikings reaching Ammerica, again you are misstaken. There is plenty of Archaelogical proof of Viking settlements of North Ammerica, although a combination of famine and war with the natives wiped them out.
The Vikings also settled most of eastern Europe and Russia, and had extensive trading networks with the far east. This is no bunch of poor, :low crop yeilding" farmers that only ever raided in small groups from their longboats as the stereotype gows, but a highly organised civilisation that influenced much of the world at their peak.
Do not therefor dissmiss the vikings as mere barbarian tribes untill you do more in depth research on them.

I do agree though that a more interesting subject could have been chosen, but don;t judge yet till you see the finished product........ http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Brother Derfel]

Oh, and for anyone interested in the archaeological evidence of Vikings in america, there are quite a few sites out there on the net.
Here is one I quickly found:
http://www.pitt.edu/~dash/vinland.html
This has a good overview of the viking times in America.
I would also recommend the Osprey Mena at arms series on the Vikings and their Elite series on the Viking and Longboats as well. Very good books with fantastic illustrations and overview of these amazing people.

[Knight_Yellow]

i was joking about the whole viking's being "weak" thing but seriously it seems as if there could have been a better subject than the vikings.

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THE SCOTTISH
WAAAGGGHHH

[Stormer]

i tell you what if the next totalwar was rome and the did an expansino pack id be so happy the viknigs would be so cool i can think of better medieval periods but we dont make the rules or game so http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif look on the good side of maybe new units.. new maps, new buildings and maybe a slighlty new campagin map only focusing on United kingdom, irland and the shetlands (ther eabove scotland where viknigs mainly settled) and you have about 50 proveince sin britan irland maybe as britan u attack the viknigs http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif it be really good i think rember we can still have the old camapgin this like a new one plus it would be differant http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

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[Kas]

Viking add on can be very nice...not just because of the Vikings alone...but the era...the Dark Ages (500-1066 at about) is perhaps a new challenge for many of us.

Kas http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[TheDanesZandy]

The Vikings did discorvered the US , we have our old " sagas " books done by the vikings , they describe very clear the rout along island and greenland over to Alaska and the US long before Coloumbus discovred south America .

There has been several excavations on the east coast of the US northren parts / Cannada showing the remains and traces of us , its a historical fackt .

The Danes Zandy

[Swoosh So]

Vikings Urg how smelly and boring



SwooooOOOOOOooooooOOOoshOoooooOOOOowl


What tactics did they use?
Um none
How many different units did they have?
Um 1

I know nothing please correct me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


Id like to know http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Swoosh So]

Oh heya zandy havent seen u or annette here for a while, You guys playing online?


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[Swoosh So]

My high hopes are for the next mtw not the exp pack, Its just a quick money spinner http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif Might be interesting for scandinavian peeps tho http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Leet Eriksson]

the vikings had a major battle with englandbattle of hastings when Harald Haardrade invaded england with a huge army of huskarls and vikings,he lost but did give the chance for william to defeat the british. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[Brother Derfel]

Quote[/b] (Swoosh So @ Dec. 26 2002,06:02)]Vikings Urg how smelly and boring



SwooooOOOOOOooooooOOOoshOoooooOOOOowl


What tactics did they use?
Um none
How many different units did they have?
Um 1

I know nothing please correct me http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif


Id like to know http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
ok, Viking units that I can think of off the top of my head.........

Huscarl- The Warlords elite bodyguard, generaly better equiped and trained than the ordinary soldier.

Berserkir- The famed madmen that would work themselves into a frenzy of bloodlust before the battle and then hurl themselves on the enemy with no self regard, trying to cause as much damage as possible.

Hird- The normal foot soldier. Primarily armed with the spear and mostly only lightly armoured. A very few units

Sailors- The crew of the longboats formed togethr during raids and large invasions. Armed primarily with bows. Very few of these units.

I think that is basicaly it, there could have been more but I can not reember them right now.

I do agree though as fasnating as i find the dark ages, the tactics and troop types available are not all that exciting for a TW game and a better period could have been chosen. I will enjoy it anyway......

[Spino]

What about the other factions from the 'Viking' period? No Umayyads and Franks and their epic struggle at the battle of Tours? No Byzantine supremacy in the Mediterranean? I welcome the inclusion of Vikings and their conquests to the landscape in MTW but I'd hate to see the developers completely ignore the more important factions that were present during that same time period.

Despite their lack of contribution to civilization I can easily see how the Vikings were chosen as the subject matter for the expansion pack: BRAND NAME RECOGNITION. Everyone knows who the Vikings were and the mega-testosterone laden imagery associated with their culture and conquests. Tragically, few westerners even know who the Byzantines and Umayyads were despite the enormous contributions of their respective cultures. To put it bluntly folks; Vikings are exciting and excitement means sales.

[Brother Derfel]

Quote[/b] (Spino @ Dec. 26 2002,14:38)]What about the other factions from the 'Viking' period? No Umayyads and Franks and their epic struggle at the battle of Tours? No Byzantine supremacy in the Mediterranean? I welcome the inclusion of Vikings and their conquests to the landscape in MTW but I'd hate to see the developers completely ignore the more important factions that were present during that same time period.

Despite their lack of contribution to civilization I can easily see how the Vikings were chosen as the subject matter for the expansion pack: BRAND NAME RECOGNITION. Everyone knows who the Vikings were and the mega-testosterone laden imagery associated with their culture and conquests. Tragically, few westerners even know who the Byzantines and Umayyads were despite the enormous contributions of their respective cultures. To put it bluntly folks; Vikings are exciting and excitement means sales.
I agree with entirely with that. I mean are some people expecting only the vikings to be added and not other nations from the same period?

I can see alot of exciting possiblities for this expansion and look forward to it if no one else does

[TheDanesZandy]

My Dear Swoshhhhh


The Vikings had diffrent units and where an awsome enemy , The fact that the Romans invaded us with thier advanced formations and tatics after defeating the Germans ( c movie Gladiator )did not help them an entire legion and 3 war ships where totaly destroyed in Jutland by only about a 1000 vikings . The Vikings where clever and wise and used various tactics including long swords achers spearsmen battelaxe and some cav .

If there is Viking add on or not is not important , i think a Napoleonic total war is much more exciting to think about hope they make it ;o)

The Danes Zandy

[Swoosh So]

Next one is rome dear http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[SmokWawelski]

As somebody said, they are working on ROME already, so not a lot of work-hours went into the Xpack http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif

The Vikings actually shaped the military tactics and "science" of the middle ages, as feudal system was the defence mechanism to protect Europe from their raids. Vikings were maybe the most influential force at the down of middle ages.

I hope that the map will be focused on the northern Europe, or that a new period of time will be added before the current starting date. Anyway, I am saving from my paycheks to buy this thing... (Hope they do better job than Fireaxis with Civ3 Xpack...)

[Magyar Khan]

well if the devs rape the vikings like they rape my mongol horde than i doubt it u will have fun with them. besides teh artwork and sound/music ofcourse.

[chilliwilli]

Quote[/b] (SmokWawelski @ Dec. 27 2002,10:12)]As somebody said, they are working on ROME already, so not a lot of work-hours went into the Xpack http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif
Actually when Shogun: MI came out they had already started work on MTW I believe, so it is possible that they could have been working on this expansion for a while. I do see your point though and understand your fear as many expansions are just a lick and a promise. "Oh my 5 new units, 2 battle maps, and 1 new faction That just screams endless hours of gameplay" I don't think that will happen with Viking expansion though.

Actually what I'm wondering about is the historical battle editor that was supposed to be available for download after MTW's release. I wonder if they will include it in the expansion instead. It would definately boost sales thats for sure. If they improved diplomacy and added naval battles it could be one of the best expansions ever. Most expansions don't add a new dimension to games, they just improve upon the formula. I hope Viking expansion is more than that.

[Magyar Khan]

ur a positive minded man chilli, history have shown otherwise.
they release their baby but dont care for its "education" and start making a new one.... its like poor humans do in most 3rd world countries. sex is a pleasure tho.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif and for condoms u need money.

in other words, teh games producers are money-driven and not quality driven.

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (Kraellin @ Dec. 24 2002,00:05)]played some mp games today and was talking with yuuki in the foyer. he pointed out something in the 'era' listing. instead of early, high, or late, there was a game up listed in the era section as 'viking'.
Don't tell anyone, but you can have some fun with this. There's some lines near the top of each startpos file which look like this:

cn_predefined::true
cn_title::"Early Period Title"
cn_short_title::"Early Period Short Title"

If you make a new startpos file, and change these to

cn_predefined::false
cn_title::"LOTR"
cn_short_title::"LOTR"
cn_predefined::true

... then starting an MP game with the "LOTR" era will make it show up as "LOTR" in everyone else's MP game list. If you send the startpos file to other people they'll be able to join the game too.

(Even better: all you need to do now is throw in lots of new units, do some new graphics, design a new campaign map, and decide where you want things to start, and hey presto you've got a Lord Of The Rings mod :)

[solypsist]

hehe http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Kraellin]

hehe gil,

i was going to add a disclaimer here, but my version of the disclaimer was going to be more like: 'well, you also have to understand that CA could modify the files to show ANYTHING in the era list, just to throw us off, so take all this with a grain of salt.' :)

K.

[GilJaysmith]

Quote[/b] (Kraellin @ Dec. 27 2002,16:01)]i was going to add a disclaimer here, but my version of the disclaimer was going to be more like: 'well, you also have to understand that CA could modify the files to show ANYTHING in the era list, just to throw us off, so take all this with a grain of salt.' :)
We're not that smart. Note how I only posted my message after this thread started.

[Zauba'a]

Quote[/b] (Knight_Yellow @ Dec. 25 2002,00:19)]it was never proven that they got to america and they didnt conquer britian or france the closest they got was building a sandcastle on the beach before the county's army got there.
and ive heard that the scotts will get to have a go so i look forward to beheading any and all norsemen who dare set foot in my homeland.
Cmon the scotts
Of course it was proven. There is existing evidence that they landed in Newfoundland (Canada). They built settlements, houses, the wrote about it, and they left behind some spearheads.

They did pretty much put their boot on the neck of the english and most other early kingdoms back then. Viking ownage--it was called the Danelaw back then.

The Vikings were centuries ahead of their time in terms of economic innovations and government. Their major contribution to history was that they were the catalyst that drove all those fragmented and frightened dark age factions to unite into strong kingdoms (because they had to defend themselves from Vikings), thus helping to start the middle ages.

So the real question is...what the hell did the Scotts ever do that was so amazing?

[falaffel]

Quote[/b] (GilJaysmith @ Dec. 27 2002,15:18)]Don't tell anyone, but you can have some fun with this. There's some lines near the top of each startpos file which look like this:

cn_predefined::true
cn_title::"Early Period Title"
cn_short_title::"Early Period Short Title"

If you make a new startpos file, and change these to

cn_predefined::false
cn_title::"LOTR"
cn_short_title::"LOTR"
cn_predefined::true

... then starting an MP game with the "LOTR" era will make it show up as "LOTR" in everyone else's MP game list. If you send the startpos file to other people they'll be able to join the game too.

(Even better: all you need to do now is throw in lots of new units, do some new graphics, design a new campaign map, and decide where you want things to start, and hey presto you've got a Lord Of The Rings mod http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
LOL This is evilly delicious

/Falaffel

[chilliwilli]

Quote[/b] (Magyar Khan @ Dec. 27 2002,13:50)]ur a positive minded man chilli, history have shown otherwise.
they release their baby but dont care for its "education" and start making a new one.... its like poor humans do in most 3rd world countries. sex is a pleasure tho.. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif and for condoms u need money.

in other words, teh games producers are money-driven and not quality driven.
Yeah your right. I guess what I was talking about is something to look forward to for the next TW installment. Even it may not happen. Oh and yes I am positive minded http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif.

I do still think that the historical battle editor that was promised will be included with the expansion though.

[Kraxis]

Quote[/b] (chilliwilli @ Dec. 28 2002,20:31)]I do still think that the historical battle editor that was promised will be included with the expansion though.
To believe or not to believe... That is the damn big question

But I too am a positive person and as such I trust CA to include it. That would make it much easier to mod battles and I could finally pull myself together and make battles.

[Galestrum]

I think the point that was trying to be made by yellow knight is the vikings were not nearly as omnipotent as some people here seem to think.

They managed to conquer a very fragemneted england for about 20 years, only parts of ireland, and normandy - thats hardly all of western europe as someone earlier made it out to be.

In the east they founded/ruled several great cities, established trade and helped foster the nation that would become russia.

Sicily was conquered by Normans - not vikings and yes there is a big distinction. The normans of William the conqueror and later were French (spoke french, lived there, had french names, fought like the french, etc etc etc.) Calling the Normans Vikings would be like calling americans english. While the normas had a viking heritage - they were french normans.

Militarily the vikings were not that great. Most of the great raids of the viking age were on undefended monasteries and villages - or poorly defended cities/towns. It took the vikings over a hundred years to take a fragmented england composed of over 20 petty kigdoms, and even then only ruled it for the life of Canute. Ireland was very much the same in circumstance and result.

When they actually fought "real" armies they lost as much as they won - nor were they ever able to really consolidate any gains - hence why there never was a "viking empire" in the military/political sense. The aforementioned Harald Haldrada, acclaimed as the greatest viking king lost his life in england and nearly his entire army was killed - hardly a "great" showing. Alfred the Great of england beat the vikings like clockwork. The Arab states and the byzantines defeated the eastern vikings regularly, and the list goes on and on. Point being, not that they sucked, but merely to say they were no mongol horde, huns, roman empire, or anything resembling a truly impressive military machine.

Only in their homelands, or in normandy and the east did they truly make a lasting political impact and even so, in normandy and the east they were absorbed within the local population and within a hundered years or so - they could no longer be properly called "viking".

Sadly, the truly great things the vikings actually did do, are often relegated to the back of the line. Most people focus on this fantasy concept of great warriors that were undefeatable - when in fact their military exploits would be the least important thing they ever did in my opinion. The exploration, trade systems, nation building in eastern europe, seamanship, etc are all far more impressive than the occassional sacking of some isolated monks or straw hut villages guarded by pitchfork wielding serfs in the middle of the night

[Galestrum]

Quote[/b] ]The Vikings had diffrent units and where an awsome enemy , The fact that the Romans invaded us with thier advanced formations and tatics after defeating the Germans ( c movie Gladiator )did not help them an entire legion and 3 war ships where totaly destroyed in Jutland by only about a 1000 vikings . The Vikings where clever and wise and used various tactics including long swords achers spearsmen battelaxe and some cav .

Could you please post a reference for this alleged viking-roman battle? I think that you may possibly be making a slight mistake - if not id love to read about it.

The romans never defeated the "Germans" - they never truly exercised power beyond the Rhine Frontier - and were abruptly stopped during the reign of Augustus when Varus led (3) roman legions to their doom in the Teutorburg Forest (sp) around 7 AD.



Quote[/b] ]The Vikings actually shaped the military tactics and "science" of the middle ages, as feudal system was the defence mechanism to protect Europe from their raids. Vikings were maybe the most influential force at the down of middle ages.

This is just wrong. The feudal system was a socio-political-military institution, not a "help us from the vikings" concept. The feudal system is loosely based upon the Roman patrician model - which was transferred to the concept of Foederate status given by the romans to allied germanic tribes within the borders of the late western empire.

The vikings were never as great a military threat as some would have you think - if vikings were 1/2 as bad as we make them out - there probably would have been a "western viking empire" - as it turned out they settled in normandy, and parts of england and ireland for awhile.

Aaas far as being influential at the dawn of the middle ages, the idea of a "western empire" like rome, was very influential, the church, charlemagne, the moors, the byzantines, etc etc etc - those were things that influenced europe at the dawn of the middle ages

[Major Robert Dump]

Actually, Indians discovered North America http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Forward Observer]

Quote[/b] (Major Robert Dump @ Dec. 29 2002,12:13)]Actually, Indians discovered North America http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Indians--what? The expansion is about the Indians now?---
Oh Boy, can I play the Fahgawee tribe?

Actually, I was hoping that the expansion would be about the Visigoths or maybe the Vandals. Just think of the possibilities with the Vandals. You hear a sound at the castle gate. You open it and there is something burning on the drawbridge. You go stomp it out, and get oxen shit all over your new chain mail slippers.

Then you hear giggling from off in the direction of the nearby woods, and look up to see your whole castle has been toilet papered.

Broken castle windows, rock riddled street signs, pilfered and broken gruel vending machines--the possibilities are endless with a Vandals expansion.

The only thing that might compare would be a Taco Bell franchise expansion, but that's already been done to death.

Cheers

[Kraellin]

lol f.o. :)

K.

[Lord Krazy]

Quote[/b] (Major Robert Dump @ Dec. 29 2002,12:13)]Actually, Indians discovered North America http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
I thought they Indians discovered India http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

[Swoosh So]

Quote[/b] (Zauba'a @ Dec. 27 2002,22:06)][quote=Knight_Yellow,Dec. 25 2002,00:19]
So the real question is...what the hell did the Scotts ever do that was so amazing?
adhesive postage stamps anaesthetics antisepsis artificial diamonds reaping machine
Bank of England latent heat Brownian movement Buicks chemical bonds
penicillin the decimal point documentary films Encyclopedia Britannica engineering sciences
fax machines first cloned mammal flailing machines geosciences golf
historical novels hypodermic syringes Kelvin scale percussion powder logarithms
Maxwell's equations marmalade mackintosh raincoats macadamized roads microwave ovens
colloid chemistry breech-loading rifle tubular steel quinine Sociology
pneumatic tyres pink bathtubs hollow pipe drainage Peter Pan radar
paleobiology polarization cure for scurvy King Arthur Halloween
refrigerators Neptune bakelite iron bridges solitons
the steam engine telephones thermos flasks/dewars the telegraph television
the stereotype sulphuric acid the steam-hammer cure for insomnia paraffin
Sherlock Holmes Toad of Toad Hall Long John Silver Jekyll and Hyde Auld Lang Syne
Whisky US Navy Chilean Navy Economics Cloud Chamber

The scots started all these things http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif

[Swoosh So]

Are they so amazing enough for ya?

[Swoosh So]

Has there been an official announcement of an exp pack at all? They are confirming totalwar3 next week seems strange to me that we havent heard anything about the viking exp pack.

[Kraellin]

swooshers,

i'm really going to have to teach you about commas...


Quote[/b] ]decimal point documentary films

that could be read as 'decimal point, documentary films' or as documentary films about the decimal point. now there's a hot topic that would rival lord of the rings at the theatres ;)

and no, i dont think there's anything official yet.

K.

[Swoosh So]

Lol sorry krae im in lazy mode after the hogmanay party http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

[Swoosh So]

So in essence if we hadent invented refrigerators for ya, youd have no cold beer for the new year boys http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/tongue.gif

[Swoosh So]

Sorry about getting humpty but im pissed off at people taking slight pops at my country, like english men saying braveheart is not true to history blah blah, Yes it aint true to history is Zulu, Robin hood, king arthur, bridge over the river kwai? no think not so do me a favour and stop nipping my ears.


Swooooooooooosh

[Emp. Conralius]

Lets admit it guys, the only reason the vikings were sailing all over the place and raiding towns was to find some booty Geese... http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif

[jas]

Quote[/b] (Swoosh So @ Jan. 02 2003,10:06)].. US Navy Chilean Navy ..

The scots started all these things http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/eek.gif
Is this a reference to Admiral Cochrane?

[Swoosh So]

Yes http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif

Sorry for freaking out abit guys i guess im still tired from hogmanay and have to work

[jas]

Quote[/b] (Swoosh So @ Jan. 03 2003,06:01)]Yes http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif
Wicked. My great (*n) uncle .. http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif