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Montmorency
05-22-2017, 05:07
You too? Already Novice. Oh well.
<3, OMG, let's meet up on IRC.
Unvote: novice; Vote: Severing Viper
Montmorency
05-22-2017, 05:14
Isn't "Champ" a Pokemon?
That would have been a proper disposable vote. Too late now though.
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 05:21
How could Sooh's post effect novice's answer? I'm also unsure as to why you thought the question had value in the first place. I honestly don't understand the logic behind it. Feel like the answer would have to be some iteration of what he said, or else he'd look inconsistent. Are you always this antagonistic in games? Your posts give me that vibe, or am I delusional?
Because when you provide an answer for someone else, you provide them something to point to and draw from? Often when I ask someone something, I care as much about how they answer as what, if not more. And someone stepping in and providing an answer for them that can affect their response and ability to respond is bad.
Or put it this way: If my questioning/pressure could produce genuine results and that is hampered by someone intentionally or unintentionally coaching the one I'm asking how/what to answer, of course it's a problem, no?
As for what the point of the question was, I asked him that to hear about his voting habits, and to determine exactly what type of vote it was. Was he the type to decide a suspect early and/or was it a pressure vote? I felt his answer told me enough about that and moved on.
Dude, it's okay, you can just say "crapshoot," we're not that strict about swear words.
As long as there's someone in this game who's bothered by swears, I will censor them. That's a time-wasting issue I'd rather avoid entirely.
Montmorency
05-22-2017, 05:24
Because when you provide an answer for someone else, you provide them something to point to and draw from? Often when I ask someone something, I care as much about how they answer as what, if not more. And someone stepping in and providing an answer for them that can affect their response and ability to respond is bad.
What if this is the result we seek?
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 05:26
Unvote: novice; Vote: Severing Viper
Is this a "disposable vote" of the sort you mention in your next post, are you declaring suspicion, or both?
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 05:27
What if this is the result we seek?
If interfering with what I want to get out of the question and making me less sure of the results is really what you seek, hissssss.
So you saw Sooh's post as influential to your question/novice? I disagree, but to each their own. Mostly concerned with the tone of it all after the fact, rather than the question itself anyways.
Also, for my own understanding mostly, what was the purposed of going after Logic? What value did you gain from that interaction/argument?
I don't have a ton to add, except Csargo ???
I hope you'll have time to make some general reads on a few people to help me read you, Csargo.
Same goes for most tbh. Even if you're uncertain as heck about your reads and you probably will switch them around tomorrow, I'd really appreciate getting them before DL so I can use them to get a read on you. I'll get into and produce some sort of reads list when I'm home from work today.
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 05:53
So you saw Sooh's post as influential to your question/novice? I disagree, but to each their own. Mostly concerned with the tone of it all after the fact, rather than the question itself anyways.
Also, for my own understanding mostly, what was the purposed of going after Logic? What value did you gain from that interaction/argument?
No, I took issue with the idea of answering for others, not her answer specifically (because it had nothing to do with the question, but that's a past matter).
I started pressuring him because I saw an apparent contradiction that wasn't answered, and I push apparent contradictions that aren't answered. What I got out of it was that he's someone that has trouble conveying exactly what he means and that approach wouldn't do any good with him. The discussion was otherwise alignment-neutral.
(On an unrelated note, day phases are 48 hours, and d1 started two days ago at about 12:30 PM EST, so it would end early this coming afternoon for me, but the phase end time is set for roughly 6 PM, meaning it would end then, so how much time is there-
SeveringViper hurt itself in its confusion!)
6PM EST, so idk if that's a conversion you'll have to do or something.
3PM PST
11PM UK
midnight CET
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 05:58
(On an unrelated note, day phases are 48 hours, and d1 started two days ago at about 12:30 PM EST, so it would end early this coming afternoon for me, but the phase end time is set for roughly 6 PM, meaning it would end then, so how much time is there-
SeveringViper hurt itself in its confusion!)
For the record, I'd assume the 6 PM time takes priority myself, I'm just complaining =)
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 06:00
6PM EST, so idk if that's a conversion you'll have to do or something.
3PM PST
11PM UK
midnight CET
I'm in EST, so no conversions, just thought it was a little unclear.
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 06:08
I'm in EST, so no conversions, just thought it was a little unclear.
Especially since I'd been operating under the assumption the phase would end next afternoon for me until GH mentioning otherwise made me check.
I'm in EST, so no conversions, just thought it was a little unclear.
I think both because it started on a weekend, and because I know sometimes D1 phases are a bit longer on my home forum it's a slightly longer first day here.
No, I took issue with the idea of answering for others, not her answer specifically (because it had nothing to do with the question, but that's a past matter).
I started pressuring him because I saw an apparent contradiction that wasn't answered, and I push apparent contradictions that aren't answered. What I got out of it was that he's someone that has trouble conveying exactly what he means and that approach wouldn't do any good with him. The discussion was otherwise alignment-neutral.
(On an unrelated note, day phases are 48 hours, and d1 started two days ago at about 12:30 PM EST, so it would end early this coming afternoon for me, but the phase end time is set for roughly 6 PM, meaning it would end then, so how much time is there-
SeveringViper hurt itself in its confusion!)
Okay, I think I understand what you're doing now. Thanks.
Montmorency
05-22-2017, 06:14
Viper is combination of novice, Zack, and Jabbz?
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 06:15
Viper is combination of novice, Zack, and Jabbz?
I have no real overall idea what I'm doing and I'm poking at anything I think can produce even the slightest value to see what comes out, does that fit?
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 06:18
I have no real overall idea what I'm doing and I'm poking at anything I think can produce even the slightest value to see what comes out, does that fit?
Assuming that was an open question.
Viper is combination of novice, Zack, and Jabbz?
Maybe...
Montmorency
05-22-2017, 12:09
I yearn to rely on a stronger will.
I fear what I'm capable of in its absence.
Just played a quick game of catchup and I can easily say I'm floored at how active Sooh is on this site.
Good stuff.
Reads coming after coffee.
Logic - villager for earlier posts. I remember the few in the beginning about their playstyle and their history playing on the site. Also compared to French Rev I think they're definitely playing to their villa game.
GeneralHankerchief - Villager for most things, active and helpful ITT when he's around. Think he has a much higher chance of being a villager than a wolf.
Champ - Ok this is hard. I feel like he'd be a lot more active as a villager but I know that during my first .Org game I was really shocked by the tempo of the game and that was a little discouraging. I would say that Champ is probably one of my lighter scum reads this game.
SeveringViper - I read this dude like I would try to read Zack and I'm at like 51% chance he's a villager. I know they've been really active as well I just haven't paid nearly as much attention to them. Wanted to include them because I had thought about them as opposed to the other people I didn't mention.
Novice - This is probably a bad read but from what I've skimmed they've been super active so I'm willing to call them a villager. Also their entrance seemed to be pretty inquisitive in that they wanted to know how people played/what they were like (presumably to develop a better read on them).
Csargo - ily
choxorn - Odd push on me inherently. I'm sure it was a joke but I don't think we're on the same level of each other that would encourage joking around kinda play. That might sound weird but it's kinda like, I'd only joke around like that with people I'm good friends with, but maybe Chox is super cool and wants to be buds. For now he's in light scum w Champo.
Cuthillius - Playing exactly how he does as a villager (granted my only recent experience with him is in turbo games but I think he's doing the same stuff).
Sooh - Don't know about alignment but just wanted to say that I like how much she's posting. I think that with the volume read it's hard to not call her a villager, but I'm scared that my village circle is getting too big.
woop
if you want me to find posts lmk
I don't have a ton to add, except Csargo ???
I hope you'll have time to make some general reads on a few people to help me read you, Csargo.
Same goes for most tbh. Even if you're uncertain as heck about your reads and you probably will switch them around tomorrow, I'd really appreciate getting them before DL so I can use them to get a read on you. I'll get into and produce some sort of reads list when I'm home from work today.
I was trying to determine what SV was doing, mostly because some of his reactions and arguments seemed scummy to me, because I didn't see what they accomplished. I think I understand what he's doing, I don't know if it has long-term value, but we'll see.
As far as reads go I don't have much. Think Barto seems himself so far, khaan's sort of half in character and half ooc not sure what to make of that. I'm unsure of SV, but want to see what happens going forward. Not sure I've ever played with SV before. I'm not sure what to make of novice yet, I'll probably go through the thread again tonight and see if anything jumps out to me. Actually I'll try to look through it before I have to work, because the day will be over, before I get off work iirc.
To me some of your (Csargo) posts read almost like a defense of me, and that's strange.
To me some of your (Csargo) posts read almost like a defense of me, and that's strange.
???
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 15:48
SeveringViper - I read this dude like I would try to read Zack and I'm at like 51% chance he's a villager. I know they've been really active as well I just haven't paid nearly as much attention to them. Wanted to include them because I had thought about them as opposed to the other people I didn't mention.
Is just this a volume read and/or do you actually like whatever you have read from me?
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 15:50
Csargo - ily
Manasi lock town for this read. I'm only 50% joking.
Vote: khaan
Will put down reasons shortly, but this isn't a random vote.
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 16:10
This post:
Got tired of people wanting to lynch me for rp'ing.
khaan's most recent past games on the .Org, in reverse order:
- French Revolution Mafia: town, had a character schtick, not lynched
- Visor's Small Mafia Game: town (subbed in), sort of had a character schtick (speaking nothing in smilies, but only for a few posts), not lynched
- Tokens of My Confection: town, made two posts, not lynched
- Futuramafia: mafia, did not have a character schtick, not lynched (was vigged though IIRC)
- Polandball Mafia: town, made two posts, not lynched
- IKEA Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
- Bird Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
This goes back to March 2016. Does not compute.
Apologies for being AWOL. Typical weekend for me, unfortunately. I have read absolutely zero of the thread so far, so vote: Monty for purely random reasons. Will do my best to read and get caught up before end of day.
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 16:25
Just played a quick game of catchup and I can easily say I'm floored at how active Sooh is on this site.
Good stuff.
Reads coming after coffee.
i know right
dm too, actually
Montmorency
05-22-2017, 16:26
Doesn't inspire much sentiment. And Khaan has another semi-character here:
Csargo used taunt! It's a critical hit!
seireikhaan's anger point activated!
Back in my day we didn't have fancy schmancy things like "role reveals" or "information". We voted for people because they ate spicy meatballs and liked it! Nowadays everyone wants to push and shove and pull and prostrate. All you need to solve mafia is your gut and your heart and the Truth!
Vote: Novice for being on my lawn.
On the other other hand, this post is like his first Futuramafia posts in that he's complaining about certain tactical decisions for the early game:
I don't share no lawn, it's MY LAWN. YOU GIT YOUR OWN LAWN. And then we won't have no troubles, ya see?
On a more serious note, if you want to get into deep conversations and and analysis on day 1, that's... fine, but I'm not too horribly concerned about that yet tbh. Don't get me wrong I'll check back in on day 2+ and compare notes to days after, but I'm not too hot and bothered yet because it's pretty RNG on whether a mafia gets nailed unless they really mess up. Although, on the playstyle bit, I will note that the people from off-site have a bit of a different interpretation of town play on some level to what I grew up with. I'm a bit more used to *everyone* playing relatively close to the vest, yes, even as town. If someone's triggering your scumdar, maybe you poke around, maybe get them lynched off response, but I've never been a fan of these "here's my list, I think people's X, Y, and Z are innocent, people's A, B, and C are iffy, and people's 1, 2, and 3 are scummy".
But Khaan did always say the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe.
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 16:30
This post:
khaan's most recent past games on the .Org, in reverse order:
- French Revolution Mafia: town, had a character schtick, not lynched
- Visor's Small Mafia Game: town (subbed in), sort of had a character schtick (speaking nothing in smilies, but only for a few posts), not lynched
- Tokens of My Confection: town, made two posts, not lynched
- Futuramafia: mafia, did not have a character schtick, not lynched (was vigged though IIRC)
- Polandball Mafia: town, made two posts, not lynched
- IKEA Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
- Bird Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
This goes back to March 2016. Does not compute.
that is super super weak
clearly it's something he hasn't been doing that much recently either
so i don't think you can either make the case that his not having a character schtick is scummy or that saying why he stopped is
like
that also ignores what people said itt
there have been a lot of newcomers to the org, i'd be unsurprised if some of them were all "cut the rp or we lynch you" type deal
i completely disagree with your reasoning and evidence
but eh
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 16:30
Apologies for being AWOL. Typical weekend for me, unfortunately. I have read absolutely zero of the thread so far, so vote: Monty for purely random reasons. Will do my best to read and get caught up before end of day.
Welcome back.
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 16:34
that is super super weak
clearly it's something he hasn't been doing that much recently either
so i don't think you can either make the case that his not having a character schtick is scummy or that saying why he stopped is
like
that also ignores what people said itt
there have been a lot of newcomers to the org, i'd be unsurprised if some of them were all "cut the rp or we lynch you" type deal
i completely disagree with your reasoning and evidence
but eh
If khaan's town, and I point out his lack of character schtick is somewhat worrisome (believe that's the exact phrase I used), and that's his recent history, is that how he hits back at me?
Vote: khaan
Will share my actual thoughts later.
Montmorency
05-22-2017, 16:43
Tally plz GH is making a play for the badge.
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 16:44
This post:
khaan's most recent past games on the .Org, in reverse order:
- French Revolution Mafia: town, had a character schtick, not lynched
- Visor's Small Mafia Game: town (subbed in), sort of had a character schtick (speaking nothing in smilies, but only for a few posts), not lynched
- Tokens of My Confection: town, made two posts, not lynched
- Futuramafia: mafia, did not have a character schtick, not lynched (was vigged though IIRC)
- Polandball Mafia: town, made two posts, not lynched
- IKEA Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
- Bird Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
This goes back to March 2016. Does not compute.
Does not cover:
A. If he faced pressure/threat of lynch for RP in those games.
B. The possibility of his having played offsite and faced the above.
C. His responding to unfamiliar players by not wanting to potentially draw fire like the above.
Hm?
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 16:52
Tally plz GH is making a play for the badge.
Votes?:
Novice - 1: seireikhaan
Montmorency - 2: autolycus, BSmith
Manasi - 1: Choxorn
GH - 1: Barto
Sooh - 1: Raith
Raith - 1: Logic
Seireikhaan - 3: Csargo, GH, novice
SV - 2: Jabbz, Montmorency
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 17:00
If khaan's town, and I point out his lack of character schtick is somewhat worrisome (believe that's the exact phrase I used), and that's his recent history, is that how he hits back at me?
could very well be, yeah
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 17:03
If khaan's town, and I point out his lack of character schtick is somewhat worrisome (believe that's the exact phrase I used), and that's his recent history, is that how he hits back at me?
Khaan is not cuth?
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 17:04
Does not cover:
A. If he faced pressure/threat of lynch for RP in those games.
B. The possibility of his having played offsite and faced the above.
C. His responding to unfamiliar players by not wanting to potentially draw fire like the above.
Hm?
I was in most of those games and:
a) I don't remember the pressure being that significant.
b) He doesn't play offsite.
c) Can you clarify?
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 17:04
vote:Jabbz
less because i think he's independently wolfy, more that there are a lot of people i think are town
jabbz hasn't provided me with any reason to feel good about his alignment
What time does this day end
Oh 6pm
Ok I'll be home soon and read
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 17:16
Oh 6pm
Ok I'll be home soon and read
please
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 17:18
I was in most of those games and:
a) I don't remember the pressure being that significant.
b) He doesn't play offsite.
c) Can you clarify?
a. Alright.
b. ^
c. Not knowing a good few of the players, it's possible he was worried about getting attacked if he went fully in character.
What's your opinion on khaan SeveringViper ?
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 17:46
What's your opinion on khaan SeveringViper ?
Null, might be promising.
He's made two serious posts so far, mostly talking about play style and declaring he's going to be keeping his thoughts to himself.
vote:Jabbz
less because i think he's independently wolfy, more that there are a lot of people i think are town
jabbz hasn't provided me with any reason to feel good about his alignment
Yo. Narrator says votes must also be in RED to count.
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 17:58
host note: round ends in 5 hours.
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 18:00
Yo. Narrator says votes must also be in RED to count.
Just a heads up that I'm counting it, but yeah. If you want me to miss your vote entirely, with no automatic vote count script, a black vote in a sea of black text posts is a good way to hide it.
Bold, red, use "vote" or "unvote" plz.
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 18:01
I yearn to rely on a stronger will.
I fear what I'm capable of in its absence.
This counts as an unvote, as per the rules on voting.
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 18:06
This is what I have.
Logic votes Raith
Montmorency votes invalid
BSmith votes Montmorency
GeneralHankerchief votes Seireikhaan
El Barto votes GeneralHankerchief
Champ votes ----
Jabbz votes SeveringViper
Manasi votes ----
SeveringViper votes ----
Novice votes Seireikhaan
Csargo votes Seireikhaan
Autolycus votes Montmorency
choxorn votes Manasi
Cuthillius votes Jabbz
Seireikhaan votes Novice
Raith Kemmler votes Sooh
Sooh votes ----
Seireikhaan: 3 votes
Montmorency: 2 votes
Raith, GeneralHankerchief, SeveringViper, Manasi, Jabbz, Novice, Sooh: 1 vote each
5 non-vote
Let me know if I missed something.
Is just this a volume read and/or do you actually like whatever you have read from me?
More of a tone read. Haven't had much of an opinion either way on you specifically but I'm a fan of you being around.
What was a joke vote for Raith I cannot support with any evidence. He seems rather quiet, but I don't know if that is how he plays on D1, so he gets a pass for now. With what little I have seen from him, I give hime a slight wolf lean.
Both Seireikhaan and Montmorency feel like as good of targets as any, so I'm going to tie it up for the now.
Vote: Montmorency
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 18:40
what do you think is scummy about monty/khaan
in your own words please
Town read on Cuthilius for this, defusing a potential conflict.
hey manasi
hey champ
do either of you have any new and exciting takes?
wrt the novice discussion, i have a hard time seeing it as directly wolfy that he, theoretically, rands scum and consciously decides to ask people about what their meta is like
like simplest solution there is that he wasn't talking to the org people, but to the rest of the new people, and thus the reason he didn't do it the first time is because he didn't know anyone and didn't feel as comfortable in the environment
i wouldn't say it's particularly towny, but i really don't think it's ai
By "my first thought" I meant it was my first thought. It was the first thing that jumped out at me when I was catching up with the first glut of posts in the thread.
You kept going back to it, but on second thought I guess that could just be a natural extension of people responding to you and you furthering the conversation, which is stupid now that I look back on it.
Generally when people/myself say "not aligned" that strictly refers to "they're not mafia together".
I feel like half of the interactions people have been making with me/half the case on me has come down to pedantics, which is a dumb reason to lynch someone but then again I suppose I'm overdue to eat rope so que sera sera. Will try to put down some sick reads in the meantime.
(My bold). That second thought really should have been thought before making your initial post, IMO...
Still, you're doing some fine backpedalling off a bad case here if you're scum. I think scum would normally tend to be more confrontational and/or defensive in this situation.
Also, I think the statement Generally when people/myself say "not aligned" that strictly refers to "they're not mafia together" is just plain wrong, and not seeing/admitting that shows a townish lack of self-consciousness.
This is a villager posting:
Logic - villager for earlier posts. I remember the few in the beginning about their playstyle and their history playing on the site. Also compared to French Rev I think they're definitely playing to their villa game.
GeneralHankerchief - Villager for most things, active and helpful ITT when he's around. Think he has a much higher chance of being a villager than a wolf.
Champ - Ok this is hard. I feel like he'd be a lot more active as a villager but I know that during my first .Org game I was really shocked by the tempo of the game and that was a little discouraging. I would say that Champ is probably one of my lighter scum reads this game.
SeveringViper - I read this dude like I would try to read Zack and I'm at like 51% chance he's a villager. I know they've been really active as well I just haven't paid nearly as much attention to them. Wanted to include them because I had thought about them as opposed to the other people I didn't mention.
Novice - This is probably a bad read but from what I've skimmed they've been super active so I'm willing to call them a villager. Also their entrance seemed to be pretty inquisitive in that they wanted to know how people played/what they were like (presumably to develop a better read on them).
Csargo - ily
choxorn - Odd push on me inherently. I'm sure it was a joke but I don't think we're on the same level of each other that would encourage joking around kinda play. That might sound weird but it's kinda like, I'd only joke around like that with people I'm good friends with, but maybe Chox is super cool and wants to be buds. For now he's in light scum w Champo.
Cuthillius - Playing exactly how he does as a villager (granted my only recent experience with him is in turbo games but I think he's doing the same stuff).
Sooh - Don't know about alignment but just wanted to say that I like how much she's posting. I think that with the volume read it's hard to not call her a villager, but I'm scared that my village circle is getting too big.
woop
if you want me to find posts lmk
I like the post in general and I especially like how he has too many town reads and admits it. Creative play if scum.
Caught up finally, but still don't have a whole lot of time. I can say from what I've seen that SeveringViper style bothers me. There is a high post volume and they do seem to be engaging, which hints town to me. At the same time, the arguments being made seem to be more shallow shots than meaningful. Basically makes it a crapshoot, but for day one you can't hope for much more than that in my opinion.
This...is disappointingly shallow itself. I think we've all well established that d1 is a c***shoot and there's little to work with, now do you have anything to add? What do you think of the others that talked?
Agreed.
vote:Jabbz
less because i think he's independently wolfy, more that there are a lot of people i think are town
jabbz hasn't provided me with any reason to feel good about his alignment
Not a bad vote. I've misread and mislynched Jabbz a lot though, and was hoping to avoid that in this game. He's also maybe the player here who knows me the best, so I was secretly hoping we could form a town block. Doesn't look likely at this point. Anyway I think he's a fine lynch, don't take my misgivings as a defense of him, but I will try to look elsewhere for now.
To me some of your (Csargo) posts read almost like a defense of me, and that's strange.
I don't see it. Elaborate? Are you feeling under attack by the way?
As for Seireikhaan, Logic already mentioned his slightly forced vote on me, and Viper nicely sums him up as "Null, might be promising. He's made two serious posts so far, mostly talking about play style and declaring he's going to be keeping his thoughts to himself.".
I've been toying with the idea of suggesting a straight policy lynch of a lurker today because I don't think we have that many reads to go on, and too many lurkers in general on this site. I would have liked to punish the lurker meta.
And then GH makes a case on Seireikhaan, so clearing GH is another possible benefit here.
So that's why I'm voting Seireikhaan currently.
I'll do a list next, but off the top of my head Choxorn and Montmorency also seem like decent lynch candidates. (And Jabbz.)
Fake edit: But first I have to deal with my kids.
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 18:49
that's a good post
you're town
[QUOTE=SeveringViper;2053748023
This...is disappointingly shallow itself. I think we've all well established that d1 is a c***shoot and there's little to work with, now do you have anything to add? What do you think of the others that talked?[/QUOTE]
This is not the response I expected, and I like it for that.
Response tone aside however, I don't see my analysis as shallow, but rather piecing together the limited information on someone who makes my spidey senses tingle. I admit out the gate it's a questionable conclusion, but trying to dismiss the entire set as shallow is kind of weak.
All told though, nice to see you've found your center here, I imagine you will find calm games more entertaining.
Mod, I cut a "]" off that last post at the end of the first line. Would you edit it back in?
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 18:54
oh hey look who's here!
vote:Jabbz
less because i think he's independently wolfy, more that there are a lot of people i think are town
jabbz hasn't provided me with any reason to feel good about his alignment
In my defense, everything I've been doing in game has been slapped together in a minimum amount of time. As I stated early I don't have much time for d1. Final inspection of my house is Tuesday at 2pm though, so after that I'm good. I promise to do better in the future :)
Honestly the only real argument I've made so far was about poking a bear to see his response, so I could see how I look less than stellar. Give it time though please.
Not a bad vote. I've misread and mislynched Jabbz a lot though, and was hoping to avoid that in this game. He's also maybe the player here who knows me the best, so I was secretly hoping we could form a town block. Doesn't look likely at this point. Anyway I think he's a fine lynch, don't take my misgivings as a defense of him, but I will try to look elsewhere for now.
I'm liking you so far novice, you seem engaged. With your brother being gone however, I'm not sure if things are the same or different when it comes to reading you, as the interaction between the two of you often gives some information. Time will tell I suppose.
As above, give me some time before you write me off. I've been lynched day 1 the last two games I played in a row. Not adding a third would be kind of nice :p
oh hey look who's here!
For like 5 more mins, if you have questions, make them fast and not too deep.
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 19:07
what do you think of monty/khaan wagons: reasoning on them, who's voting them
who do you most want to lynch today
I don't think any day one arguments have much in the way of merit except for on rare occasions where someone slips and does something horribly obvious. Today is not one of those days. I think those arguments as a whole are no more valid or crappy than others. Give what I've seen of their evolution I don't think it is likely that scum are jumping on either, but rather see that one or the other is likely to go down and are staying out of it. This makes me inclined to feel they are both bad lynches, but then again, my entire problem with d1 lynches and reads is that there isn't enough information, so the above is about as useless as anything else.
As to who I want to lynch, I'm pretty much apathetic in that department. I poked Severing to get a response, and didn't get the response I expected. Whether that confirms or contradicts my reading of the individual is yet to be seen, and no I don't care to share that reading at this time. Ask me again tomorrow about this kind of stuff and I'll likely have some different info, but for now that is what I have.
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 19:20
still planning to keep your vote on sev?
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 19:24
This is not the response I expected, and I like it for that.
Response tone aside however, I don't see my analysis as shallow, but rather piecing together the limited information on someone who makes my spidey senses tingle. I admit out the gate it's a questionable conclusion, but trying to dismiss the entire set as shallow is kind of weak.
All told though, nice to see you've found your center here, I imagine you will find calm games more entertaining.
And GH never set off your "spidey senses"?
Do you really think I was ever off my center?
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 19:27
I don't think any day one arguments have much in the way of merit except for on rare occasions where someone slips and does something horribly obvious.
The merit of d1 arguments (and a number of "meaningless" arguments in general) is that they increase the chance that someone slips. [Yes/No]?
the sirie votes are stupid
First I'd like to apologize for not having been around more today. It's not going to be one of my most active days game wise (seeing as how Manasi and Cuth both have noted that).
I'm going to go through what's new, and then I'll place my vote and probably go to bed if nobody has any immediate questions.
I don't see it. Elaborate? Are you feeling under attack by the way?He was defending or rather arguing that my commenting on D1 play (what Viper said I shouldn't do since the question wasn't for me) was completely innocent and had no influence on your response. When I read it it looked like a defense of what I did. And no, I don't feel under attack.
That being said, I didn't like Vote: GH 's reason for suspecting Khaan. It's very reachy IMO.
This post:
khaan's most recent past games on the .Org, in reverse order:
- French Revolution Mafia: town, had a character schtick, not lynched
- Visor's Small Mafia Game: town (subbed in), sort of had a character schtick (speaking nothing in smilies, but only for a few posts), not lynched
- Tokens of My Confection: town, made two posts, not lynched
- Futuramafia: mafia, did not have a character schtick, not lynched (was vigged though IIRC)
- Polandball Mafia: town, made two posts, not lynched
- IKEA Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
- Bird Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
This goes back to March 2016. Does not compute.
couldn't he have been playing mafia in other games
and by games i mean sites
By "my first thought" I meant it was my first thought. It was the first thing that jumped out at me when I was catching up with the first glut of posts in the thread.
You kept going back to it, but on second thought I guess that could just be a natural extension of people responding to you and you furthering the conversation, which is stupid now that I look back on it.
Generally when people/myself say "not aligned" that strictly refers to "they're not mafia together".
I feel like half of the interactions people have been making with me/half the case on me has come down to pedantics, which is a dumb reason to lynch someone but then again I suppose I'm overdue to eat rope so que sera sera. Will try to put down some sick reads in the meantime.
isnt mafia all pedantics?
El Barto
05-22-2017, 19:45
:daisy: Back in the olden days we were. The times when khaans changed their names every thousand posts. Those were stricter times...
He's still issaikhaan to me.
Isn't "Champ" a Pokemon?
Machamp.
El Barto votes GeneralHankerchief
Entirely, 100% true, as I promised my good friend Snerk.
isnt mafia all pedantics?
The correct word is pedantry.
Isn't "Champ" a Pokemon?
That would have been a proper disposable vote. Too late now though.
yes and yes
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 19:57
SeveringViper: By my count, khaan's played with everybody here (however briefly in some instances) except Champ. We'll throw Manasi and Logic in there too I guess because French Rev was a factional game and doesn't really fit in. Not really enough to get self-conscious about IMO.
novice: Re: your section of me in your longer post above, I was going to argue that your conclusion w/r/t your read of me is correct, but I feel like your reasons for reading me as such are bad, so I'm not sure what to do with you at the moment? but then I realized that most of the bones I had to pick with it were playstyle differences and thus not actual bad arguments.
Champ: As mentioned in a different post, khaan doesn't play games on other sites.
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 20:00
Another thing I want to make note of is in Champ's catchup just a few posts above this one, he jumps from my case on khaan (made earlier this morning US time) to commenting about my "pedantics" line (made last night US time), which strikes me as a bit unnatural way of catching up with the thread.
Another thing I want to make note of is in Champ's catchup just a few posts above this one, he jumps from my case on khaan (made earlier this morning US time) to commenting about my "pedantics" line (made last night US time), which strikes me as a bit unnatural way of catching up with the thread.
i always do that
El Barto
05-22-2017, 20:03
I will note posts #326 and #327 for tomorrow. :)
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 20:04
i always do that
Link to examples? IIRC the only game we played together on MU was Copless where you subbed in halfway through, so that's a bit different of a situation.
Roughly town to scum ordering:
Novice
Manasi - Few posts but got very good vibes from it/them
Cuthillius - Has a natural pro-town thread presence
Logic - Seems honest and open
SeveringViper - A for effort. More likely power wolfer than the guys above him
Raith Kemmler - Seems fine, just getting outshined.
El Barto - Objectively he's just a lurker, but he manages to come across as an active player. You could even chose to hold that against him. He should be lower on this list frankly.
Sooh - I like what I've seen so far but it should be well within her scum range.
GeneralHankerchief - Recovered somewhat from a bad start. Frankly gives off a better impression here than in many of his other day ones.
Jabbz - As discussed I'll give him some time.
Csargo / Champ - These two both seem somewhat active, but I think I'm confusing the two of them in my recollection of the thread, so I'll have to reread them.
Autolycus - Lurking but at least managed to sound like an honest lurker.
Montmorency - His thought processes are normally hard to follow, but in this game we haven't even been given a chance yet. I feel like he can easily do better, why is he holding back?
choxorn - So far he's not trying to be helpful
Seireikhaan - Trying to justify being unhelpful. Talks in generalities.
BSmith - One post so far? No opinion yet, willing to policy lynch.
Maybe I should call it a "won't lynch to will lynch" ordering instead. Typically you'll find a wolf amongst the top guys on a list like this, but I think it's the wrong end to start looking in.
That's kind of making me want to lynch Novice actually.
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 20:10
That's kind of making me want to lynch Novice actually.
Why?
Link to examples? IIRC the only game we played together on MU was Copless where you subbed in halfway through, so that's a bit different of a situation.
its most games
i look at the vote count and see who voted who and why
the sirie votes are stupid
Why's that?
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 20:12
its most games
i look at the vote count and see who voted who and why
Don't have time to look right now, but I'll take your word for it. Kind of a dumb way to be caught if you're mafia and you're smarter than that.
Why?
Quick little quips and comments. Logic as townie because he's being honest and open about who he has played with and not before.
Idk, it just seems too neatly wrapped up in a bow, if that makes sense?
what do you think is scummy about monty/khaan
in your own words please
I do hope you don't mind if I use all of Monthy's words as well:
I don't know what's going on. Just tell me who scans type.
Or Vote: novice gets it.
Forced joke. Feels a tad wolfish to me.
Two word Mafia.
Tell me what you see.
Null tell. I feel like I am missing some kind of subtext.
<3, OMG, let's meet up on IRC.
Unvote: novice; Vote: Severing Viper
Responding to Cuth: slight alarms going off here. Feels like a forced joke about breaking the spirit or the letter of the rules. If Monty turns wolf, I would not be surprised if Cuth is one as well.
Isn't "Champ" a Pokemon?
That would have been a proper disposable vote. Too late now though.
Comment's about casting throwaway vote based on username similarity on pokemon. Seems a tad wolfish to me.
What if this is the result we seek?
Slight town lean here. This feels more helpful than not.
Viper is combination of novice, Zack, and Jabbz?
Speculation that seemingly leads nowhere. Not helpful in either case.
I yearn to rely on a stronger will.
I fear what I'm capable of in its absence.
I don't get what Monty is going for here. I don't normally assume being poetic is a wolf trait, but it feels more like an attempt to look more sophisticated, and thus, less wolfy.
Doesn't inspire much sentiment. And Khaan has another semi-character here:
On the other other hand, this post is like his first Futuramafia posts in that he's complaining about certain tactical decisions for the early game:
But Khaan did always say the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe.
Attacking his biggest lynch competitor with what looks like weak reasoning to me. Could be desperate wolf; could be incensed townie. I get the feeling that Monty is a good player, so I think there is more to this than he is saying.
Tally plz GH is making a play for the badge.
The "Play for the badge" comment I am going to have to assume is one of those things under the avatars that GH seems to have already obtained several of. It seems weak reasoning for Monty to mention it, but I am suspicious of that comment in particular without more information.
Why's that?
almost no substance
just throw a dart that will be just as effective
Logic's posts are good and logical. I think he's town.
almost no substance
just throw a dart that will be just as effective
Seireikhaan has no substance, or the votes on him have no substance?
novice: Re: your section of me in your longer post above, I was going to argue that your conclusion w/r/t your read of me is correct, but I feel like your reasons for reading me as such are bad, so I'm not sure what to do with you at the moment? but then I realized that most of the bones I had to pick with it were playstyle differences and thus not actual bad arguments.
Just to make sure I'm parsing this correctly - You were going to argue that I was townreading you correctly, but for bad reasons?
But then you realized those reasons weren't bad, but just a bad/different playstyle?
(Stop me if I'm misunderstanding)
Wouldn't that still make the arguments bad, in your opinion?
Seireikhaan has no substance, or the votes on him have no substance?
former
Wait, if Khaan has no substance, then why are you so defensive of him?
For that matter, you don't have much substance, either, you've made a lot of one-liner fluff posts and the only substantial thing you've done is defend khaan.
Just to make sure I'm parsing this correctly - You were going to argue that I was townreading you correctly, but for bad reasons?
But then you realized those reasons weren't bad, but just a bad/different playstyle?
(Stop me if I'm misunderstanding)
Wouldn't that still make the arguments bad, in your opinion?
OK, I think I get it now. You're saying that I backed off of you with bad arguments, but that it's not suspicious because it's in my nature to make bad town reads. :)
Wait, if Khaan has no substance, then why are you so defensive of him?
For that matter, you don't have much substance, either, you've made a lot of one-liner fluff posts and the only substantial thing you've done is defend khaan.
bc there are better lynches but dont ask me lul
whats your point for the second paragraph
El Barto
05-22-2017, 20:23
OK, I think I get it now. You're saying that I backed off of you with bad arguments, but that it's not suspicious because it's in my nature to make bad town reads. :)
:inquisitive:
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 20:23
Just to make sure I'm parsing this correctly - You were going to argue that I was townreading you correctly, but for bad reasons?
But then you realized those reasons weren't bad, but just a bad/different playstyle?
(Stop me if I'm misunderstanding)
Wouldn't that still make the arguments bad, in your opinion?
You weren't misunderstanding. Some of the arguments in and of themselves are bad, but they're not necessarily scummy. They're just null in terms of alignment, which is what I care about more than getting into a playstyle discussion. Postgame for the latter, perhaps.
Also I'm not sure if I agree with Logic's case on Monty, but that's probably just from my inability to correctly read Monty in the first place. The case itself feels honest though.
I do hope you don't mind if I use all of Monthy's words as well:
It's official: "Monty" is "Monthy" now.
D*** typos. If you ever find a post of mine on the Playground that has not been edited, count yourself lucky. I retyped this last sentence 4 times to get the grammar correct, and I am a native English speaker.
Also, I'm not finished with Khan. (That sounds way more menacing than I intended it to be.)
My last break at work is wrapping up, and I don't have time to explain in the same detail as I did for Monthy
bc there are better lynches but dont ask me lul
whats your point for the second paragraph
Better lynches, like who?
The point of your second paragraph is that I think you're scummy. I thought that would be obvious.
El Barto
05-22-2017, 20:31
It's Khaan, Mr. Lhoghich. Khaan.
El Barto
05-22-2017, 20:31
Also, I'm totally voting for Champ tomorrow.
I meant to say my second paragraph, not your second paragraph. I accidentally mixed up a word there.
Also, I'm totally voting for Champ tomorrow.
why not today
Better lynches, like who?
The point of your second paragraph is that I think you're scummy. I thought that would be obvious.
:wall:
why not today
Good Question.
Unvote, Vote: Champ
seireikhaan
05-22-2017, 20:45
This post:
khaan's most recent past games on the .Org, in reverse order:
- French Revolution Mafia: town, had a character schtick, not lynched
- Visor's Small Mafia Game: town (subbed in), sort of had a character schtick (speaking nothing in smilies, but only for a few posts), not lynched
- Tokens of My Confection: town, made two posts, not lynched
- Futuramafia: mafia, did not have a character schtick, not lynched (was vigged though IIRC)
- Polandball Mafia: town, made two posts, not lynched
- IKEA Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
- Bird Mafia: town, did not have a character schtick, not lynched
This goes back to March 2016. Does not compute.
Really, dude? I've mentioned this before... a few times. Whatever. People got sore at me for having a schtick or for rp'ing because I "wasn't being serious". Now I don't bother and that's cause for alarm? Fine. Idek why I bother signing up.
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 20:45
vote:choxorn
seireikhaan
05-22-2017, 20:45
Vote: Monty
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 20:57
vote:choxorn
For the vote on Champ?
Vote: Monty
Why?
You're frustrated with GH's push, do you think he's just being dumb?
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 20:59
For the vote on Champ?
Why?
You're frustrated with GH's push, do you think he's just being dumb?
Yes.
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 21:04
Yes.
Ok.
I think I agree. Vote: Choxorn
Yes.
What do you not like about my Champ vote?
A selection of Csargo's posts:
It honestly took me a while to understand this...
You can click on the number of posts outside the thread and then selected whoevers # of posts you want to ISO, or at the top of the page there's a search thread -> advanced search -> input the username of whoever in the box and search. Both ways are a pain, and MU's ISO is far easier.
Sooh's fireworks post is the best thing itt so far. I have yet to fully digest everything that has been said by the top three posters so far. I've been binge watching netflix and I'm sick, so my brain is a bit scrambled at the moment. I'll probably get around to actually reading everything fully tonight, and post thoughts then. I've just been skimming the thread tbh.
This is an odd reaction to Sooh's post. Given how you've pursued D1 so far. I'm unsure of what you're trying to accomplish, Sooh was adding content to the thread, even if the question wasn't directed towards her. So why?
How could Sooh's post effect novice's answer? I'm also unsure as to why you thought the question had value in the first place. I honestly don't understand the logic behind it. Feel like the answer would have to be some iteration of what he said, or else he'd look inconsistent. Are you always this antagonistic in games? Your posts give me that vibe, or am I delusional?
So you saw Sooh's post as influential to your question/novice? I disagree, but to each their own. Mostly concerned with the tone of it all after the fact, rather than the question itself anyways.
Also, for my own understanding mostly, what was the purposed of going after Logic? What value did you gain from that interaction/argument?
I was trying to determine what SV was doing, mostly because some of his reactions and arguments seemed scummy to me, because I didn't see what they accomplished. I think I understand what he's doing, I don't know if it has long-term value, but we'll see.
As far as reads go I don't have much. Think Barto seems himself so far, khaan's sort of half in character and half ooc not sure what to make of that. I'm unsure of SV, but want to see what happens going forward. Not sure I've ever played with SV before. I'm not sure what to make of novice yet, I'll probably go through the thread again tonight and see if anything jumps out to me. Actually I'll try to look through it before I have to work, because the day will be over, before I get off work iirc.
I like what I see so far actually. Is sick so doesn't post, but still reads the thread, as evidenced by the first few posts. Then has a back and forth with Viper which reads as genuine investigation. More would be better of course, but so far I like it.
I don't like manasi
Vote: Manasi
I don't like manasi
Vote: Manasi
Why not?
Seriously, explain your thoughts a little more. One-liners don't say much of anything. Why don't you like Manasi, and why do you like Khaan?
My time is limited atm, could someone point a few post numbers to me that are making the major arguments against Chox? Thanks.
Why not?
Seriously, explain your thoughts a little more. One-liners don't say much of anything. Why don't you like Manasi, and why do you like Khaan?
i feel like she doesnt want to be here and isnt enjoying herself
she loves being town and her lack of engagement is nagl
i dont like khaan i just dont think hes the best lynch
Ok.
I think I agree. Vote: Choxorn
I don't like the vote either.
Choxorn, you seem more concerned with delivering a vote with panache than with actually picking a good target:
Does Vote: Novice count as two words?
Okay, I'll talk about you.
Unvote, Vote: Manasi
Good Question.
Unvote, Vote: Champ
More to the point, you're discussing Seireikhaan's scumminess with Champ, and upon noticing that Champ thinks Seireikhaan has no substance (which he uses as an argument for not voting Seireikhaan), you suddenly realize that Champ has no substance and is scummy for it? It makes no sense. What exactly is your thought process here?
My time is limited atm, could someone point a few post numbers to me that are making the major arguments against Chox? Thanks.
I don't think anybody has built a big case, he got votes just now for a dodgy vote on Champ, and he's come across as an unhelpful lurker. He seems to be delurking now though.
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 21:24
My time is limited atm, could someone point a few post numbers to me that are making the major arguments against Chox? Thanks.
His posts numbered 344, 351, and 357.
I don't like the vote either.
Choxorn, you seem more concerned with delivering a vote with panache than with actually picking a good target:
I admit, my first two votes were kinda jokey-random votes, the sort of early votes I do when I don't have any real feelings about anyone and just want to prod some people.
And I wasn't around for most of this day, for which I apologize- had a lot going on IRL over the weekend.
More to the point, you're discussing Seireikhaan's scumminess with Champ, and upon noticing that Champ thinks Seireikhaan has no substance (which he uses as an argument for not voting Seireikhaan), you suddenly realize that Champ has no substance and is scummy for it? It makes no sense. What exactly is your thought process here?
I wondered why Champ thought the Seireikhaan votes were stupid, as he put it. Honestly, I don't really like the case on khaan much either, but wanted to hear some more detailed thoughts from Champ on why he thought that.
I didn't really like his response, which prompted me to go look back through his posts, and then I noticed that he'd made mostly one-liner fluff posts before showing up to defend khaan, and he struck me as kinda scummy.
Champ: Seems like a strong player. May be self-resolving. Not lynching him today at any rate.
i feel like she doesnt want to be here and isnt enjoying herself
she loves being town and her lack of engagement is nagl
i dont like khaan i just dont think hes the best lynch
You literally made this up on the spot.
You know I'm in 3 games right now.
You took my scum read on you and flipped it to me and that's insanely unrealistic and inaccurate.
Champ: Seems like a strong player. May be self-resolving. Not lynching him today at any rate.
LOL STRONG PLAYER ded
LOL STRONG PLAYER ded
:laugh4:
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 21:30
I didn't really like his response, which prompted me to go look back through his posts, and then I noticed that he'd made mostly one-liner fluff posts before showing up to defend khaan, and he struck me as kinda scummy.
But he didn't show up to defend khaan. Nor did he defend khaan, either. Calling votes on someone stupid because that player hasn't posted any real content to vote them by yet ≠ defending the player. Khaan has done nothing of much value yet and in fact declared he won't for the time being, yet the votes are still stupid, based on stupid reasons (if any were given).
LOL STRONG PLAYER ded
Yeah, I don't really get that vibe out of him, either.
Like would a strong player post something like this...
bc there are better lynches but dont ask me lul
And not really have any idea who these "better lynches" are?
Because that's really not a good defense of khaan- it's just saying "Don't lynch Khaan, there's better lynches, I don't know who they are but there's better lynches!"
:laugh4:
Hey qt3.14
How ya feelin'?
I've been sleeping all day so been super in and out of the thread.
Whatcha thinkin' besides your reads list up there?
But he didn't show up to defend khaan. Nor did he defend khaan, either. Calling votes on someone stupid because that player hasn't posted any real content to vote them by yet ≠ defending the player. Khaan has done nothing of much value yet and in fact declared he won't for the time being, yet the votes are still stupid, based on stupid reasons (if any were given).
It's not a hard, strong defense, but calling out the votes on khaan and arguing against GH's case on him is still a defense.
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 21:37
You literally made this up on the spot.
You know I'm in 3 games right now.
You took my scum read on you and flipped it to me and that's insanely unrealistic and inaccurate.
You have a light scum read on him for being less active than you'd expect while he's hosting a champs game, he scum reads you for seeming less engaged than he'd expect while you're in three games at once...
How about both reads are dumb?
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 21:38
It's not a hard, strong defense, but calling out the votes on khaan and arguing against GH's case on him is still a defense.
Fair enough.
Anyone have a vote tally right now? I think it's 4 on Monty, 3 on Khaan, 2 on GH, and 2 on me, but I'm not really sure.
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 21:48
Monty (4) Logic Bsmith Autolycus Seireikhaan
Khaan (3) GeneralHankerchief Novice Csargo
GH (2) El Barto Sooh
Choxorn (2) SeveringViper Cuthillius
Manasi (1) Champ
SeveringViper (1) Jabbz
Champ (1) choxorn
Sooh Raith (1) Kemmler
invalid vote (1) Monty
No vote (1) Manasi
Logic votes Montmorency
Montmorency votes invalid
BSmith votes Montmorency
GeneralHankerchief votes Khaan
El Barto votes GeneralHankerchief
Champ votes Manasi
Jabbz votes SeveringViper
Manasi votes ----
SeveringViper votes Choxorn
Novice votes Khaan
Csargo votes khaan
Autolycus votes Montmorency
choxorn votes Champ
Cuthillius votes Choxorn
Seireikhaan votes Montmorency
Raith Kemmler votes Sooh
Sooh votes GeneralHankerchief
You have a light scum read on him for being less active than you'd expect while he's hosting a champs game, he scum reads you for seeming less engaged than he'd expect while you're in three games at once...
How about both reads are dumb?
Rude.
Hosting a game only requires action at two points in the day.
He should be tres more active.
I made a few adjustments to the Vote Counter (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152304-Vote-Counter) (also useful for ISOing) plugin, I think it understands all the various vote and unvote formats now. Be aware that bold red text won't be counted as a vote unless it's also prefixed with Vote:
Unoffical tally as of post 385:
Lynch votes
4 votes: Montmorency (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748093#post2053748093), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748188#post2053748188), autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747798#post2053747798), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748128#post2053748128))
3 votes: khaan (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747732#post2053747732), GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748091#post2053748091), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748099#post2053748099))
2 votes: choxorn (Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748187#post2053748187), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748195#post2053748195))
2 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747721#post2053747721), Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748143#post2053748143))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748200#post2053748200))
1 votes: Sooh (Raith Kemmler (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747678#post2053747678))
1 votes: Champ (Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748183#post2053748183))
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748037#post2053748037))
Voting history:
Sooh
Raith Kemmler
Raith Kemmler
Novice
GeneralHankerchief
seireikhaan
novice
Novice
Montmorency
Manasi
novice
GeneralHandkerchief
GeneralHandkerchief
Unvote
Unvote
Severing Viper
khaan
Monty
khaan
Jabbz
Montmorency
GH
Champ
choxorn
Monty
Choxorn
Manasi
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 22:00
In one hour, one of you will no longer be able to continue on this journey.
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 22:03
Choxorn;
Novice looks okay, slight town lean on him right now.
Does this still hold?
You have Logic as town for logical posts, do you agree with his case on Montmorency?
Do you have any other reads?
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 22:04
I have no idea what to think about Chox anymore after I utterly and spectacularly misfired on him in his champs game.
I have no idea what to think about Chox anymore after I utterly and spectacularly misfired on him in his champs game.
Damn.
You ever thought that you were bad or something?
Hey qt3.14
How ya feelin'?
I've been sleeping all day so been super in and out of the thread.
Whatcha thinkin' besides your reads list up there?
Besides post 331 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748155&viewfull=1#post2053748155), you can check post 307 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748130&viewfull=1#post2053748130), 365 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748199&viewfull=1#post2053748199) and 370 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748206&viewfull=1#post2053748206).
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 22:07
Damn.
You ever thought that you were bad or something?
Nah, I know I'm bad but just don't let it bother me.
Since you're obviously around, what're your thoughts on Chox? IIRC you correctly read him in champs.
Besides post 331 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748155&viewfull=1#post2053748155), you can check post 307 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748130&viewfull=1#post2053748130), 365 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748199&viewfull=1#post2053748199) and 370 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748206&viewfull=1#post2053748206).
tbh I just wanted to have a conversation and not talk about the game but I guess you have other priorities.
Nah, I know I'm bad but just don't let it bother me.
Since you're obviously around, what're your thoughts on Chox? IIRC you correctly read him in champs.
CanI turn off sigs on this site
Also meh. I was really put off by his instant pseudo aggression towards me very early on for ~no reason.
I think he has a decent chance of being a wolf.
I only called him a villa in champs bc all you idiots were calling him a wolf.
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 22:12
CanI turn off sigs on this site
Also meh. I was really put off by his instant pseudo aggression towards me very early on for ~no reason.
I think he has a decent chance of being a wolf.
I only called him a villa in champs bc all you idiots were calling him a wolf.
Are you saying you're not a fan of my six-years-out-of-date sig pic?
Settings > General Settings > scroll down a bit to Thread Display Options > uncheck the box that says Show Signatures.
Fair enough re: Chox.
Are you saying you're not a fan of my six-years-out-of-date sig pic?
Settings > General Settings > scroll down a bit to Thread Display Options > uncheck the box that says Show Signatures.
Fair enough re: Chox.
Thanks sweetheart. <3
Choxorn;
Does this still hold?
You have Logic as town for logical posts, do you agree with his case on Montmorency?
Do you have any other reads?
Yeah, still got a slight town read on Novice.
Other reads:
Logic- town, I've liked all his posts so far. His case on Monty seems solid, although it tends to be hard to read Monty well, especially this early.
Monty- slight scum lean, but again it's hard to really read him well.
BSmith- null, he hasn't posted enough.
GH- Don't like his case on Khaan, getting some weird vibes from him but don't have any strong feelings about him yet. Somewhere from null to slight scum at this point.
El Barto- null, being his typical self.
Champ- scum lean, for reasons I've already explained.
Jabbz- null, haven't seen enough from him yet.
Manasi- slight town, her posts have looked solid so far.
SeveringViper- Sometimes I don't like your posts and sometimes I do, it averages out to about null right now.
Csargo- null, haven't seen enough to have much of an opinion on him.
Autolycus- null, hasn't said much which is typical for him.
Cuthillius- lean scum, partly for some things Logic pointed out between him and Monty and I'm getting weird vibes from him, too.
Seireikhaan- I don't like the case on him, but he hasn't done much to make himself look town yet, so I'd call it a null. Also, I find it kind of weird how much people have talked about him given how little he's actually said and done in this game.
Raith- null at this point, I've never been able to read him well.
Sooh- slight town lean, she looks good so far.
tbh I just wanted to have a conversation and not talk about the game but I guess you have other priorities.
Oh... Awkward.
Do you like word puzzles? Here's a cryptic:
I'm a fan, endlessly playing this game of deception and deduction (5).
What do you think about my vote counter?
I was curious how Monty got to four votes, as I don't remember much of a push on him. Here's how:
Me, I'm a lurker, especially in the early game, but come out with analysis in the late game that gets stronger over time. Basically, I'm a geodude spamming rollout.
vote:Montmorency
Apologies for being AWOL. Typical weekend for me, unfortunately. I have read absolutely zero of the thread so far, so vote: Monty for purely random reasons. Will do my best to read and get caught up before end of day.
What was a joke vote for Raith I cannot support with any evidence. He seems rather quiet, but I don't know if that is how he plays on D1, so he gets a pass for now. With what little I have seen from him, I give hime a slight wolf lean.
Both Seireikhaan and Montmorency feel like as good of targets as any, so I'm going to tie it up for the now.
Vote: Montmorency
Vote: Monty
Thought I'd share.
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 22:33
I was curious how Monty got to four votes, as I don't remember much of a push on him. Here's how:
Thought I'd share.
Do you have a conclusion of your own on this?
Cuthillius
05-22-2017, 22:34
ugh
i dislike the options at this point in the day, didn't realize there was that little time left
gotta run anyhow, think vote:khaan is realistically the most likely to flip scum
see you guys tomorrow, maybe
Raith Kemmler
05-22-2017, 22:34
What do you think about my vote counter?
I love it, but lazy, so y'know.
Monty- slight scum lean, but again it's hard to really read him well.
GH- Don't like his case on Khaan, getting some weird vibes from him but don't have any strong feelings about him yet. Somewhere from null to slight scum at this point.
El Barto- null, being his typical self.
Csargo- null, haven't seen enough to have much of an opinion on him.
Autolycus- null, hasn't said much which is typical for him.
Cuthillius- lean scum, partly for some things Logic pointed out between him and Monty and I'm getting weird vibes from him, too.
Seireikhaan- I don't like the case on him, but he hasn't done much to make himself look town yet, so I'd call it a null. Also, I find it kind of weird how much people have talked about him given how little he's actually said and done in this game.
Would agree with all this. Strangely don't like the Mont wagon though despite shady read. Seems like a fool's train. Not really hairy, but like it went in the lead almost incidentally.
To GH about meta question: Off the brief posters, they just stood on in my mind. Csargo mores from past difficulty reading him.
Interesting, looks we've got two semi-random early votes from lurkers, Logic making a serious push on him, and then what looks like largely a self-preservation vote from khaan.
Hey, autolycus, BSmith, do you have any more thoughts on Monty and Khaan or anyone else now?
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 22:41
20 minutes to go.
I really don't like that novice just left his last post hanging out there without attaching of an opinion of his own to it, but I'll give my own: I don't like the Monty wagon nor the people on it (khaan's vote is understandable but I'm independently suspicious of him), and I don't think he should be the lynch today.
Do you have a conclusion of your own on this?
Yes.
I don't like the Monty wagon nor the people on it (khaan's vote is understandable but I'm independently suspicious of him), and I don't think he should be the lynch today.
OTOH, think of all the lurkers we could clear by lynching scum!Monty.
I would agree with Raith that the wagon seems incidental.
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 22:46
OTOH, think of all the lurkers we could clear by lynching scum!Monty.
I would agree with Raith that the wagon seems incidental.
Disagree, I think BSmith and auto have both placed early RVS votes on scumbuddies in the past [citation needed]. BSmith is also a known busser.
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 22:48
Yes.
...and it is?
OK. Do you also disagree that the wagon seems incidental?
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 22:50
OK. Do you also disagree that the wagon seems incidental?
No, I don't disagree with that conclusion.
Why are you slowrolling this?
...and it is?
That it is most likely a coincidence.
No, I don't disagree with that conclusion.
Why are you slowrolling this?
I already said that I agreed with Raith that it seemed incidental. I just thought I'd share, and see what other people thought.
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 22:53
OTOH, think of all the lurkers we could clear by lynching scum!Monty.
I would agree with Raith that the wagon seems incidental.
What.
Placing a random vote on scum does not clear someone, even if they have multiple votes already, and Montmorency did not when the first two were placed. Or do you think scum would never put a joke/random vote on a buddy if they think it will go nowhere?
Unofficial tally as of post 414. You'll have to add GH and GeneralHankerchief, seireikhaan and khaan, and Montmorency and Monty yourselves.
Lynch votes
3 votes: khaan (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748091#post2053748091), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748099#post2053748099), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748240#post2053748240))
2 votes: Choxorn (SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748195#post2053748195), Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748251#post2053748251))
2 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747798#post2053747798), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748128#post2053748128))
2 votes: Monty (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748093#post2053748093), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748188#post2053748188))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748200#post2053748200))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747721#post2053747721))
1 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747732#post2053747732))
1 votes: Sooh (Raith Kemmler (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747678#post2053747678))
1 votes: GH (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748143#post2053748143))
1 votes: Champ (Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748183#post2053748183))
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748037#post2053748037))
Voting history:
Sooh
Raith Kemmler
Raith Kemmler
Novice
GeneralHankerchief
seireikhaan
novice
Novice
Montmorency
Manasi
novice
GeneralHandkerchief
GeneralHandkerchief
Unvote
Unvote
Severing Viper
khaan
Monty
khaan
Jabbz
Montmorency
GH
Champ
choxorn
Monty
Choxorn
Manasi
khaan
Choxorn
His posts numbered 344, 351, and 357.
Almost looks like he's shooting to vote for someone, but wants to be able to point to someone else later and be like "they told me to." Not exactly a subtle move tho.
For the record I still prefer a Seireikhaan lynch. Currently it seems tied at 4-4 between Seireikhaan and Montmorency, in which case one of them is randomly lynched.
seireikhaan
05-22-2017, 22:56
Vote: Choxorn
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 22:56
:00 valid, :01 invalid for votes.
Unvote, Vote: Seireikhaan
Not really a huge fan of either Khaan or Monty being lynched right now, but I could certainly see either being scum and I think Khaan's flip might give some more information based on how other people have talked about him today.
What.
Placing a random vote on scum does not clear someone, even if they have multiple votes already, and Montmorency did not when the first two were placed. Or do you think scum would never put a joke/random vote on a buddy if they think it will go nowhere?
That's fair, but it would still provide valuable intel.
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 22:58
I strongly disagree with the khaan lynch, but it looks like all I can do is let chance decide.
Vote: Montmorency
The Choxorn vote doesn't look good, but also doesn't look bad I suppose. I feel it more than the Khaan vote at least. Not feeling scum from Severing, so that seems the best place to put it. Sorry for the hedging, I'll understand if people call me on it later.
Vote Choxorn
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 22:59
Monty (4) Logic Bsmith Autolycus SeveringViper
Khaan (5) GeneralHankerchief Novice Csargo Cuthillius chox
GH (2) El Barto Sooh
Choxorn (3) , Manasi, khaan, jabbz
Manasi (1) Champ
Sooh Raith (1) Kemmler
invalid vote (1) Monty
What I have as of 424
Tally as of post 424:
Lynch votes
3 votes: Montmorency (autolycus (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747798#post2053747798), Logic (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748128#post2053748128), SeveringViper (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748264#post2053748264))
3 votes: khaan (GeneralHankerchief (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748091#post2053748091), novice (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748099#post2053748099), Cuthillius (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748240#post2053748240))
2 votes: seireikhaan (Csargo (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747732#post2053747732), Choxorn (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748261#post2053748261))
2 votes: Choxorn (Manasi (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748251#post2053748251), seireikhaan (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748259#post2053748259))
1 votes: Sooh (Raith Kemmler (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747678#post2053747678))
1 votes: GeneralHankerchief (El Barto (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053747721#post2053747721))
1 votes: Manasi (Champ (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748200#post2053748200))
1 votes: Severing Viper (Montmorency (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748037#post2053748037))
1 votes: Monty (BSmith (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748093#post2053748093))
1 votes: GH (Sooh (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692&p=2053748143#post2053748143))
Voting history:
Sooh
Raith Kemmler
Raith Kemmler
Novice
GeneralHankerchief
seireikhaan
novice
Novice
Montmorency
Manasi
novice
GeneralHandkerchief
GeneralHandkerchief
Unvote
Unvote
Severing Viper
khaan
Monty
khaan
Jabbz
Montmorency
GH
Champ
choxorn
Monty
Choxorn
Manasi
khaan
Choxorn
Choxorn
Seireikhaan
Montmorency
GeneralHankerchief
05-22-2017, 22:59
The Choxorn vote doesn't look good, but also doesn't look bad I suppose. I feel it more than the Khaan vote at least. Not feeling scum from Severing, so that seems the best place to put it. Sorry for the hedging, I'll understand if people call me on it later.
Vote Choxorn
???
You and I are going to have a chat about this tomorrow if we're both alive.
Raith Kemmler
05-22-2017, 22:59
Unvote, Vote: Seireikhaan
Not really a huge fan of either Khaan or Monty being lynched right now, but I could certainly see either being scum and I think Khaan's flip might give some more information based on how other people have talked about him today.
Hmm. Sure.
Vote: Seireikhaan
And Khan puts in a self defense vote.
Vote: Choxorn
What but why
Did you just read Novice's tally quickly and think this would put us in a tie, or something?
My plugin didn't count Jabbz' vote
SeveringViper
05-22-2017, 23:00
I strongly disagree with the khaan lynch, but it looks like all I can do is let chance decide.
Vote: Montmorency
Wait, no, that's why I hate voting with nicknames and CFDs aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
@GHC Basically I didn't want to vote on a guy I was not getting any scum vibes from, and I saw fewer problems with Khaan than Chox. Admittedly that might be because the Khaan case was developing over a larger period and I'm reading bits and pieces. I understand I'll be held accountable for it tho, just don't expect a better explanation, as my justification is weak. No vote or vote on anyone else would likely also get me questioned tomorrow anyway. GL all.
seireikhaan
05-22-2017, 23:01
Later, y'all. Have fun.
Khaan has a two-vote lead at this point anyway, it doesn't matter all that much.
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 23:02
Monty (4) Logic Bsmith Autolycus SeveringViper
Khaan (6) GeneralHankerchief Novice Csargo Cuthillius Choxorn Kemmler
GH (2) El Barto Sooh
Choxorn (3) Manasi, khaan Jabbz
Manasi (1) Champ
invalid vote (1) Monty
I think your vote plugin is missing more than one vote, novice.
In any case, round over. Checking vote tally...
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 23:03
Also, before I forget:
Stop posting plz. No night posts.
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 23:17
https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb225/askthepizzaguy/MafiaIMGS/Nuz_zpsnultvgeg.png
Day One
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/1/1b/Kanto_Route_1_HGSS.png
Route one.
The road to Viridian City should have been a leisurely stroll: The warm sun shining brightly in the sky, not a cloud to be seen, a few low-level Pokemon hiding in some patches of grass, a couple friendly trainers not even looking for a battle, free samples of health-restoring potions, trees spaced very close together and all the same height, same color, with all the leaves arranged in exactly the same way, in a grid-like pattern. But no. This wasn't a typical stroll. Instead of just the usual Pidgey and Rattata, our protagonist encountered all manner of pokemon, typically native to other areas of Kanto. There was no telling what kind of creature would appear.
_____
Squirtle was doing his best to weaken the wild pokemon, so his trainer could catch them. Already, he managed to amass quite a collection. But they were all low-level, and wounded from battle. They needed to get to a pokemon center soon so they could heal up, particularly Squirtle, who had been doing the bulk of the work so far. The others needed to stand guard for a while, and gain experience through battling.
The sound of jimmies rustling came from the bushes. It turned out to be a rodent that was at least a foot tall, with giant teeth that could definitely chew through bone.
https://img.pokemondb.net/artwork/rattata.jpg
Aw, how adorable. It looks like it wants to eat your flesh.
You decide to send out...
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/0/02/129Magikarp.png/600px-129Magikarp.png
Magikarp
Ah, an excellent choice. I can already tell this is going to go well for you.
You see, the thing is, you've got an advantage. The rattata may become so confused by your strategy, that it may make a mistake.
I'm not sure what kind of mistake, but let's just see how it goes.
http://weclipart.com/gimg/D72B819C4AE83A13/download-png-image-scratches-claw-png-image-FupsCD-clipart.png
And.... you've nearly fainted in just one hit. I'm frankly amazed that you're still here.
Perhaps it's time to put the fish away, as it is clearly unable to breathe on land and now has a gaping flesh wound.
What else do you have?
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/0/02/129Magikarp.png/600px-129Magikarp.png
Magikarp
Anothe-
Look, mate, this is very cute and all, but I honestly think that if you want to survive, you should probably start taking things seriously.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/0/02/129Magikarp.png/600px-129Magikarp.png
Magikarp
...
Okay. Fine. Have it your way. See what a fat lot of good this does.
Oh look, it's not working, why don't you try something else? Else meaning different, meaning not the same? Maybe something that can actually pull off an attack, or run away, with legs? ...Legs for running, ON LAND?
...
Wait, what's that?
I... I can't believe it. It's....
http://assets.pokemon.com/assets/cms2/img/pokedex/full/001.png
Bulbasaur
It came back! It's a miracle! Professor Oak must have used a full restore on the little guy!
It looks so happy to see you! Such a loyal, bright, brave.... with such a beautiful future in store for him....
http://weclipart.com/gimg/D72B819C4AE83A13/download-png-image-scratches-claw-png-image-FupsCD-clipart.png
*Critical hit!*
....
Bulbasaur FAINTED ....AGAIN!!! :sweatdrop:
....
Go! Go Magikarp! Splash, splash damn you!
The rattata is confused by the splashing. Okay, ditch the fish and get the hell out of there.
Wha... you're going back for the fish!?!? Are you out of your.... nevermind.
Go, get your fish. Have fun.
You ran from battle!
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 23:19
Seireikhaan fainted!
He was...
Bulbasaur, Level 5
https://imgflip.com/s/meme/Gasp-Rage-Face.jpg Third Party Survivor
Poor Bulby.
You... you monsters! You pocket monsters!!!
Begin Night One. No posting! Send orders via PM.
Askthepizzaguy
05-22-2017, 23:46
Ok I manually double checked the last legal vote from each person. Not sure if/where there's an issue with the vote counting plugin, just beware it was showing differently than my own count. I only used my own count this round. My count as it currently stands should be 100 percent accurate.
Edit: Could also be the names being split up even though the votes are counting. Monty versus Montmorency, for example.
Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2017, 22:55
Orders locked in. Writeup commencing. Do not post yet!
Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2017, 22:56
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Night One
Route one.
The protagonist made it to the PokeMart, and picked up a big brown package addressed to Professor Oak. Then, a quick stop to the pokemon center, and the entire party was healed up. Time to begin the dangerous journey back down the hill to Pallet Town.
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/3/39/007Squirtle.png/250px-007Squirtle.png
Squirtle
Squirtle was the one to lead the party back down the hill. He was the highest level pokemon in the team, and had moderately good defense. Everything would be fine as long as they didn't run into a grass or electric type.
Suddenly, one of the weeds along the path began to move...
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/43/043Oddish.png/250px-043Oddish.png
Oh hai! I'm an Oddish! Let's be friends!
I hope you're not allergic to the various kinds of pollen and powder coating me!
No wait, please, don't leaf me alone! I'm sure I'll grow attached to you!
Did you seed what I did there? Let's get to the root of the matter!
Please, pick me! Pick me! Weed be good friends!
I have a million plant puns and I'll never stop loving you!
The friendly plant began to hop closer to Squirtle, each bounce causing a plume of vile dust to shake off and contaminate the air. The powder was insanely poisonous, and soon, Squirtle found himself unable to move. The plant was poisonous! Worse, it was clingy!
Squirtle also didn't have any good moves to use against an Oddish, despite being a much higher level, so the trainer just began throwing Pokeballs at it in the hopes of catching it.
But disaster struck.
The ground began to shake. The cliff that they were battling on gave way, and many tons of earth and rock began to crumble beneath their feet. The trainer flew a great distance, taking a ton of damage.
And, unfortunately, one of the two Pokemon didn't survive, and got buried 10 feet deep in the ground, never to be seen again.
*Critical hit!*
http://cdn.bulbagarden.net/upload/thumb/4/43/043Oddish.png/250px-043Oddish.png
Oddish
ODDISH FAINTED!
You ran from battle!
Askthepizzaguy
05-23-2017, 22:57
Cuthillius fainted!
He was...
Oddish, Level 14
Townie with 1x Poison
Ashes to ashes, dust to dust. We stick this Oddish in the Earth's crust.
Begin Day Two.
You may post!
Montmorency
05-23-2017, 23:00
Vote: GH because I saw it all coming yesterday and I warned you so I roleblocked him tonight to stop him and now I'm played out with no powers but doesn't matter valiance unfold.
he's going after the No1 badge stop him
I even said that stuff about Khaan that I said yesterday and he was too afraid to say it to me too because he knew it deffat proved the innocence of Khaan and the suspectery of the insinuations.
Attacking his biggest lynch competitor with what looks like weak reasoning to me. Could be desperate wolf; could be incensed townie. I get the feeling that Monty is a good player, so I think there is more to this than he is saying.
I was tackling GH's case against Khaan in the post. That's important.
Second game I was scum and we won with three scum and three town remaining, and me being widely townread almost until the end.
Except by me, although I was lynched D1.
Now tell me who scans type so the rest of the scum can't hide.
I have no idea what to think about Chox anymore after I utterly and spectacularly misfired on him in his champs game.
I gather he was town and many of you spectating scumread him? Was this because of French Revolution? I'm town-leaning Chox but he could be MegaWolf-ing again. Renata's not with us; let's not talk about it.
Montmorency
05-23-2017, 23:04
Is Squirtle lvl99?
I think Vote: Raith Kemmler is scum, based on
I love it, but lazy, so y'know.
Would agree with all this. Strangely don't like the Mont wagon though despite shady read. Seems like a fool's train. Not really hairy, but like it went in the lead almost incidentally.
To GH about meta question: Off the brief posters, they just stood on in my mind. Csargo mores from past difficulty reading him.
and
Hmm. Sure.
Vote: Seireikhaan
I'm also willing to go back to GH.
I even said that stuff about Khaan that I said yesterday and he was too afraid to say it to me too because he knew it deffat proved the innocence of Khaan and the suspectery of the insinuations.
What stuff?
Montmorency
05-23-2017, 23:17
What stuff?
Doesn't inspire much sentiment. And Khaan has another semi-character here:
On the other other hand, this post is like his first Futuramafia posts in that he's complaining about certain tactical decisions for the early game:
But Khaan did always say the best way to play scum roles is to do that which the gut wouldn't believe.
faa
El Barto
05-23-2017, 23:18
OK, and GH should hang because…
Could you elaborate, Sooh?
Meh, I'm too tired to think or converse. See you all tomorrow.
Khaan flipping as not-scum makes me more suspicious of GH. GH's case on Khaan was weak, and his case on Novice wasn't great either- in both cases he seemed like he was reaching to try to throw shade and some people acting a little bit unusual, but not really all that scummy.
autolycus
05-23-2017, 23:31
Vote: GH ]because I saw it all coming yesterday and I warned you so I roleblocked him tonight to stop him and now I'm played out with no powers but doesn't matter valiance unfold.
Wait, you blocked GH last night, someone died, so now you want him lynched?
Now tell me who scans type so the rest of the scum can't hide.
And now you want a scanner to claim?
Vote:Montmorency
Could you elaborate, Sooh?
The blatant sheeping for one. It just seems like he picked someone and decided to stick like glue to said someone's reads and decisions without elaborating much on his own process.
Wait, you blocked GH last night, someone died, so now you want him lynched?
You really can't see why this would be?
El Barto
05-23-2017, 23:42
The blatant sheeping for one. It just seems like he picked someone and decided to stick like glue to said someone's reads and decisions without elaborating much on his own process.
This is compelling enough for me to feel sorely tempted to follow you on this vote. But it would then enable you to vote for me based on the same justification, which would be most vexing.
Conundra such as this one make life interesting.
This is compelling enough for me to feel sorely tempted to follow you on this vote. But it would then enable you to vote for me based on the same justification, which would be most vexing.
Conundra such as this one make life interesting.
Tell me a story Barto.
Montmorency
05-23-2017, 23:48
This is compelling enough for me to feel sorely tempted to follow you on this vote. But it would then enable you to vote for me based on the same justification, which would be most vexing.
Conundra such as this one make life interesting.
Conundrata.
El Barto
05-23-2017, 23:53
Tell me a story Barto.
You have one here, about the art of diplomacy and war (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152548-The-Art-of-Diplomacy-and-War). It is a good one, even if I do say so myself.
Conundrata.
You uncultured barbarian. How dare you make posts in such an inconsequential, superficial style?
Wait, you blocked GH last night, someone died, so now you want him lynched?
Another one of the scums could have killed Cuth even if GH was blocked.
Considering how Raith's Khaan vote was based on sheeping Choxorn, who first called Khaan null, and then decided to vote for him half an hour later in an OMGUS-y fashion, I'd say there are certain situations where sheeping looks worse.
Seireikhaan- I don't like the case on him, but he hasn't done much to make himself look town yet, so I'd call it a null. Also, I find it kind of weird how much people have talked about him given how little he's actually said and done in this game.
Would agree with all this. Strangely don't like the Mont wagon though despite shady read. Seems like a fool's train. Not really hairy, but like it went in the lead almost incidentally.
Unvote, Vote: Seireikhaan
Not really a huge fan of either Khaan or Monty being lynched right now, but I could certainly see either being scum and I think Khaan's flip might give some more information based on how other people have talked about him today.
Hmm. Sure.
Vote: Seireikhaan
The entire progression, basically from both of them, looks scummy to me.
That was mainly in response to El Barto's conundrum.
El Barto
05-24-2017, 00:10
Also, I'm totally voting for Champ tomorrow.
why not today
Good Question.
Unvote, Vote: Champ
Mr. Choxorn?
GeneralHankerchief
05-24-2017, 00:15
Jabbz:
@GHC Basically I didn't want to vote on a guy I was not getting any scum vibes from, and I saw fewer problems with Khaan than Chox. Admittedly that might be because the Khaan case was developing over a larger period and I'm reading bits and pieces. I understand I'll be held accountable for it tho, just don't expect a better explanation, as my justification is weak. No vote or vote on anyone else would likely also get me questioned tomorrow anyway. GL all.
Aside from the super hedgy tone, which I hate, why did you not mention/factor Monty into your analysis at all? He was always the other main wagon D1, and yet you presented it as a binary case between khaan and Choxorn. What's with that?
Monty, can you point me to where you were talking about khaan and how this implicates me? And yes, a lot of us (myself most certainly included) had incorrect scumreads on Chox and were pretty dead-set on him being mafia in his champs game.
Choxorn:
Khaan flipping as not-scum makes me more suspicious of GH. GH's case on Khaan was weak, and his case on Novice wasn't great either- in both cases he seemed like he was reaching to try to throw shade and some people acting a little bit unusual, but not really all that scummy.
You know khaan didn't flip town either, right?
El Barto
05-24-2017, 00:15
Monty (4) Logic Bsmith Autolycus SeveringViper
May I ask what were the reasons for voting in favour of the lynching of Monsieur Montmorency yesterday?
El Barto
05-24-2017, 00:18
Choxorn:
Khaan flipping as not-scum makes me more suspicious of GH. GH's case on Khaan was weak, and his case on Novice wasn't great either- in both cases he seemed like he was reaching to try to throw shade and some people acting a little bit unusual, but not really all that scummy.
You know khaan didn't flip town either, right?
We should also take note that, being a Visorslash Third Party Survivor, it is most unlikely that seireikhaan was coördinating anything with any other player, or engaged in off-thread communications.
???
You and I are going to have a chat about this tomorrow if we're both alive.
Looking forward to this part.
GeneralHankerchief
05-24-2017, 00:19
We should also take note that, being a Visorslash Third Party Survivor, it is most unlikely that seireikhaan was coördinating anything with any other player, or engaged in off-thread communications.
No, but his motives were different from town's, and that probably impacted his posting on D1.
El Barto
05-24-2017, 00:23
Looking forward to this part.
Seconded.
No, but his motives were different from town's, and that probably impacted his posting on D1.
Given that, when I am assigned a role in these games of the Innocent alignment, I tend to behave as a quasi-survivor, I wouldn't be too much against that.
Furthermore, it has often been pointed out that a Survivor can be forced to act as if his or her alignment were Innocent rather than Neutral.
Montmorency
05-24-2017, 00:28
@GH
Post 281, via Post 448 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748365&viewfull=1#post2053748365).
SeveringViper
05-24-2017, 00:41
Vote: GH because I saw it all coming yesterday and I warned you so I roleblocked him tonight to stop him and now I'm played out with no powers but doesn't matter valiance unfold.
Now tell me who scans type so the rest of the scum can't hide.
Nopeeeeeeee.
a. This reason makes no sense and I think anyone who seriously considered it should be ashamed (unless they're scum)
b. I'm counterclaiming.
Vote: Montmorency
Another one of the scums could have killed Cuth even if GH was blocked.
And how does that make it evidence against GH?
Considering how Raith's Khaan vote was based on sheeping Choxorn, who first called Khaan null, and then decided to vote for him half an hour later in an OMGUS-y fashion, I'd say there are certain situations where sheeping looks worse.
If you're saying my vote was an OMGUS vote, I didn't actually realize Khaan switched to me before I made my post voting him. That's why I posted a reaction to his switch after voting for him.
I voted for khaan, despite having a null read on him, because I didn't see Monty's lynch as great either and I thought khaan's lynch might give some information about the players who were either defending him or scumreading him, which there were quite a lot of.
SeveringViper
05-24-2017, 00:48
The blatant sheeping for one. It just seems like he picked someone and decided to stick like glue to said someone's reads and decisions without elaborating much on his own process.
His sheeping could be either:
a. His being scum who was too afraid/lazy to develop and show a case/process of his own and therefore picked someone else's and stuck to it.
b. The result of his not having much time and/or lacking a convenient way to access the forums and post with his laptop in maintenance, so he defaulted to sheeping a case he liked without elaborating.
So you think it's a.?
El Barto
05-24-2017, 01:18
Considering how Raith's Khaan vote was based on sheeping Choxorn, who first called Khaan null, and then decided to vote for him half an hour later in an OMGUS-y fashion, I'd say there are certain situations where sheeping looks worse.
(quoted posts)
The entire progression, basically from both of them, looks scummy to me.
Ah-ha.
That was mainly in response to El Barto's conundrum.
Very well, I might be persuaded to vote for Raith Kemmler. We have time.
Sup.
I'm here dw.
How are things going with you, my good lady?
b. I'm counterclaiming.
????
His sheeping could be either:
a. His being scum who was too afraid/lazy to develop and show a case/process of his own and therefore picked someone else's and stuck to it.
b. The result of his not having much time and/or lacking a convenient way to access the forums and post with his laptop in maintenance, so he defaulted to sheeping a case he liked without elaborating.
So you think it's a.?
Given that there wasn't much of a case, yes.
Ok I have to go to bed.
Back in the morning.
GeneralHankerchief
05-24-2017, 01:34
@GH
Post 281, via Post 448 (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152692-Pokemon-Nuzlocke-FireRed-Mafia-In-Play&p=2053748365&viewfull=1#post2053748365).
I don't want to waste time arguing how something was scummy from someone who's already flipped, but in this case khaan was clearly going along with the Pokemon theme whereas when he does character schticks (which is what I was referencing) they're usually unrelated to the flavor, such as doing a Bob Ross for French Revolution.
Sup.
I'm here dw.
Takes?
How are things going with you, my good lady?
Hi. I'm very tired. I've only slightly skimmed what's happened since the day has started. How are you? Have you had a good day? What'd you have for dinner?
Takes?
Meh. Nothing has really changed.
Surprised khaan was enough of a factor to anyone but I could have just inherently been skimming over their posts. Good survivor lynch I guess rip 3P.
Shocked you got RB'd though, I thought you were a villager all day yesterday and still think that today. I really don't wanna call SV a wolf though.
But I'm ecstatic to call Monty one.
My reads haven't really changed much. I've only really skimmed though so idk.
You have one here, about the art of diplomacy and war (https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?152548-The-Art-of-Diplomacy-and-War). It is a good one, even if I do say so myself.
You uncultured barbarian. How dare you make posts in such an inconsequential, superficial style?
This isn't what I was looking for Barto, not at all.
SeveringViper
05-24-2017, 01:48
Shocked you got RB'd though, I thought you were a villager all day yesterday and still think that today. I really don't wanna call SV a wolf though.
Not my claim. Role, not target.
El Barto
05-24-2017, 02:00
I don't want to waste time arguing how something was scummy from someone who's already flipped, but in this case khaan was clearly going along with the Pokemon theme whereas when he does character schticks (which is what I was referencing) they're usually unrelated to the flavor, such as doing a Bob Ross for French Revolution.
seireikhaan did complain, as I recall, about people lynching him when he performed his schtick.
Hi. I'm very tired. I've only slightly skimmed what's happened since the day has started. How are you? Have you had a good day? What'd you have for dinner?
I am sitting, I have had a most satisfactory dinner of meat, potatoes and sweet potatoes (not to be confused with yams) and am now contentedly digesting it. It has been a moderately good day. Now, where were you last night?
Meh. Nothing has really changed.
Surprised khaan was enough of a factor to anyone but I could have just inherently been skimming over their posts. Good survivor lynch I guess rip 3P.
Shocked you got RB'd though, I thought you were a villager all day yesterday and still think that today. I really don't wanna call SV a wolf though.
But I'm ecstatic to call Monty one.
My reads haven't really changed much. I've only really skimmed though so idk.
So what would these reads be? Please refresh my mind.
This isn't what I was looking for Barto, not at all.
I do apologise. What, then were you, my good friend whom I would have voted for yesterday had Snerk not asked the public to vote for GeneralHankerchief, asking for?
seireikhaan did complain, as I recall, about people lynching him when he performed his schtick.
I am sitting, I have had a most satisfactory dinner of meat, potatoes and sweet potatoes (not to be confused with yams) and am now contentedly digesting it. It has been a moderately good day. Now, where were you last night?
So what would these reads be? Please refresh my mind.
I do apologise. What, then were you, my good friend whom I would have voted for yesterday had Snerk not asked the public to vote for GeneralHankerchief, asking for?
Don't worry you can vote for me today, it still kinda works, I'm just not your first choice. Which is really messed up though tbh. Tell me a story about this game, in this moment, right now.
Also, did Sooh ever say why she called me defensive or whatever it was?
Hi. I'm very tired. I've only slightly skimmed what's happened since the day has started. How are you? Have you had a good day? What'd you have for dinner?
Meh. Nothing has really changed.
Surprised khaan was enough of a factor to anyone but I could have just inherently been skimming over their posts. Good survivor lynch I guess rip 3P.
Shocked you got RB'd though, I thought you were a villager all day yesterday and still think that today. I really don't wanna call SV a wolf though.
But I'm ecstatic to call Monty one.
My reads haven't really changed much. I've only really skimmed though so idk.
Why don't you like Monty?
autolycus
05-24-2017, 02:23
May I ask what were the reasons for voting in favour of the lynching of Monsieur Montmorency yesterday?
Mine yesterday was a random vote for a player I'd played with before. Today it's about the idea that GH being blocked last night is evidence of guilt on his part and because both the choxorn and khaan wagon feel like they could have been scum trying to save Monty.
Third Party Neutral Survivor? If only he’d claimed right away we could have avoided this whole mess. :clown:
May I ask what were the reasons for voting in favour of the lynching of Monsieur Montmorency yesterday?
RANDBETWEEN(1,17) told me to?
Nopeeeeeeee.
a. This reason makes no sense and I think anyone who seriously considered it should be ashamed (unless they're scum)
b. I'm counterclaiming.
Vote: Montmorency
And how does that make it evidence against GH?
vote: Monty because of the above this time. Extremely open to changing this though.
As for me, RL is even busier than normal and work (where I normally post from) is no exception these days. Don’t expect a lot from me. Policy lynch me if you must – I won’t fight it (much), but know that I am not lurker scum this game. I’ll do my best to keep up but I’ll likely be on the lower end of my activity spectrum this game. I won't directly claim, but will say it rhymes with Manila.
Not my claim. Role, not target.
So... what are you claiming, exactly?
SeveringViper
05-24-2017, 02:30
So... what are you claiming, exactly?
Might as well.
Mont claimed 1x RB. I am 1x RB.
SeveringViper
05-24-2017, 02:33
Might as well.
Mont claimed 1x RB. I am 1x RB.
And the nature of his specific claim of 1x makes me suspect I might have been rolechecked, further making me willing to claim.
Of course, there's the possibility of two 1x RBs, but I have to doubt that as odd, and the GH vote is still bad.
If you're saying my vote was an OMGUS vote, I didn't actually realize Khaan switched to me before I made my post voting him. That's why I posted a reaction to his switch after voting for him.
I voted for khaan, despite having a null read on him, because I didn't see Monty's lynch as great either and I thought khaan's lynch might give some information about the players who were either defending him or scumreading him, which there were quite a lot of.
I don't understand this post at all. What put khaan as the higher priority? What sort of policy are you working under? This makes very little sense to me.
SeveringViper
05-24-2017, 03:01
I don't understand this post at all. What put khaan as the higher priority? What sort of policy are you working under? This makes very little sense to me.
Good point...
I voted for khaan, despite having a null read on him, because I didn't see Monty's lynch as great either and I thought khaan's lynch might give some information about the players who were either defending him or scumreading him, which there were quite a lot of.
But:
[Logic's] case on Monty seems solid, although it tends to be hard to read Monty well, especially this early.
Monty- slight scum lean, but again it's hard to really read him well.
GH's case on Khaan was weak, and his case on Novice wasn't great either- in both cases he seemed like he was reaching to try to throw shade and some people acting a little bit unusual, but not really all that scummy.
So you didn't like Monty, who you said had a good case against him and you had a scum lean on, being lynched over khaan, who you had as neutral with the case on him being bad? And what info did you get besides GH being suspicious, hm?
To me some of your (Csargo) posts read almost like a defense of me, and that's strange.
I found it!
I'd say you're perceiving my actions incorrectly then. I didn't think SV's reaction to your post was warranted, so I questioned him about it. My goal was to understand his thinking, your post was just the example I used for my argument.
That being said, I have you as leaning town atm, for various reasons.
I found it!
I'd say you're perceiving my actions incorrectly then. I didn't think SV's reaction to your post was warranted, so I questioned him about it. My goal was to understand his thinking, your post was just the example I used for my argument.
That being said, I have you as leaning town atm, for various reasons.
argument/questioning would be more accurate.
Vote:Choxorn
Choxorn looks pretty bad to me at this point. His posts/vote don't lineup at all.
Why are people voting Monty for being Monty?
SeveringViper
05-24-2017, 03:16
I didn't think SV's reaction to your post was warranted, so I questioned him about it. My goal was to understand his thinking, your post was just the example I used for my argument.
Please clarify, were you questioning my reaction to that post specifically, or my policy of being that against people answering for others with that post just being your chosen example?
Or in other words, did you think specifically my reaction to Sooh's post was unwarranted, or would you have been just as willing to bring up my response to Cuth?
SeveringViper
05-24-2017, 03:19
Vote:Choxorn
Choxorn looks pretty bad to me at this point. His posts/vote don't lineup at all.
Why are people voting Monty for being Monty?
The vote on GH and claim?
Consider that Choxorn looks to be half-suspecting Monty while justifying his voting elsewhere, and easily following his vote today?
Please clarify, were you questioning my reaction to that post specifically, or my policy of being that against people answering for others with that post just being your chosen example?
Or in other words, did you think specifically my reaction to Sooh's post was unwarranted, or would you have been just as willing to bring up my response to Cuth?
I could have used your reaction to Logic, which I believe Cuth pointed out. Your reactions in general is what I wanted clarity about going forward. Does that answer your question?
SeveringViper
05-24-2017, 03:41
I could have used your reaction to Logic, which I believe Cuth pointed out. Your reactions in general is what I wanted clarity about going forward. Does that answer your question?
...No, because I never said anything to Logic about answering for others?
The vote on GH and claim?
Consider that Choxorn looks to be half-suspecting Monty while justifying his voting elsewhere, and easily following his vote today?
Yeah, I don't think this is terribly ooc for Monty.
His whole argument about choosing between khaan/Monty just doesn't fit to me. I have no idea why his vote landed on khaan at all tbh.
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