Looted Florins

[Gaius Julius]

I'm playing the Biz.,early.
A Spanish Crusade went through Trebizoid, and looted over 20,000 florins from me.
Is there any way to get my money back? http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif

[Lord Romulous]

afraid not.

the only advise is do not let the crusade through your provence.

of course you need to have enough forces in that provence to kick the crusades ass but ...

crusades are a pain but done realitivly realisticly IMHO

[Mr Durian]

what do you exactly mean by that?

Did they took 20,000 from your treasury or from the province?

[Gaius Julius]

From my Treasury.

[Kraxis]

How many florins did you have?

[rasoforos]

it occurs very often actually. i saw it many times and it occurs both ways ( you can loot or get looted , it depends if the crusade is yours or the province is yours) , usually when i crusade stays in the area too much there is a high probability of looting. As a matter of principle (playing the byzantines) i do not let crusades cross ( lets not repeat an error twice http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif )

[Gaius Julius]

Just over 192,000 florins.

[Kraxis]

Quote[/b] (Gaius Julius @ Jan. 12 2003,10:02)]Just over 192,000 florins.
Ok, I feared it might have been 20k.

I have yet to experience it myself, so I don't know how much they loot.

[rasoforos]

kraxis try playing the byzantines and chances are youre gonna see it. and its gonna drive you mad...

[Kraxis]

Hehe... the Byz are the ones I play the most. But then again I am the one to get the Crusades down my throat.

[Mr Durian]

wut happens if a non-crusade army invades a Byz province. Will any money get looted from my treasury?

[rasoforos]

if a non crusade army invades then its a normal invasion mr durian. no difference than catholic or islamic

[solypsist]

looting depends on your zeal.
if it's high, you won't lose money to a crusading army passing through. this, of course, is in reference to Orthodox territories.

[David]

Byzantines cant let crusades go, they arent catholic.
And looting happens every time. when a province is taken, the message says how many florins are pillaged.

[Brother Derfel]

Quote[/b] (David @ Jan. 12 2003,13:38)]Byzantines cant let crusades go, they arent catholic.
And looting happens every time. when a province is taken, the message says how many florins are pillaged.
Actualy, i thing that orthodox factions can let crusades pass. it is only Islamic factions that have to be invaded. I have only seen looting dne to non catholic factions like the Byzantines, and only in provinces with small garisons.
I never let crusades cross when I play Byzantines for this reason.

[Cardinal]

Everything concidered, it is quite realistic. Remember that Byzanthium was sacked by the 3 or 4 crusade http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/frown.gif which initiated the downfall of the Byzantine Empire. The orthodox were not "real christians" so I assume everthing went.
Secondly Christian cities in Anatolia were sacked on numerous occations by the crusaders, so I find this feature rather tantelizing and a good realistic optional extra.

[Lord Krazy]

Just over 192,000 florins wow
you should have bought the crusade http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
Is it normaly around the 10% mark
that gets looted?
LK http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/smokin.gif

btw Cardinal what's a real christian?
I never had the pleasure of knowing one http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[_Martyr_]

what exactly do you mean by "real christians" ?

Yeah I hate crusades when im the Byzantines, mostly I dont let them pass...

However, in some situations they can help you. Say you are fighting the Turkish or the Egyptians, why not let the crusade pass (with the risk of losing a few 1000 florins) and then let the crusade weaken or destroy the islamic enemy you are fighting? Then you come in and clean up, gaining a province or two

[andrewt]

192,000 isn't that hard to get as Byzantines. You only need to expand early to Kiev and Khazar and make a trade empire. You have a lot of rebel provinces to conquer. Lithuania and Livonia are also conquerable. Even Norway and Sweden because the Danes don't always conquer them immediately. The main problem is the Sicilians and Italians being very belligerent and sinking your trade ships. The Egyptians are sometimes aggressive, too. You can safely eliminate the Turks as they don't have any port provinces. The English winning against the French helps as they are always at war and the French don't build many ports.


Lord Krazy, are you sure that's what George W. Bush said?
This is what I know he said:
"The problem with the French is that they don't have a word for entrepreneur." —George W. Bush, discussing the decline of the French economy with British Prime Minister Tony Blair

[Lord Krazy]

so http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif
how about this one.
I love this guy he nver stops making me laugh http://www.totalwar.org/forum/non-cgi/emoticons/joker.gif

[Vertigo10]

Quote[/b] (David @ Jan. 12 2003,13:38)]Byzantines cant let crusades go, they arent catholic.
And looting happens every time. when a province is taken, the message says how many florins are pillaged.
Well, um...yes, they can. They're Orthodox Christian, which is close to Catholicism. You can let them pass; also, if you couldn't, it wouldn't be very realistic. After all, how would the First Crusades have gotten to Antioch and Jerusalem? Paddle Boat? Besides, looting is different than the pillaging of florins when taking over a province; sometimes when your crusaders pass an orthodox factions' lands, you loot some of their money (also what happened many times during the First Crusades).

-Vert

[starkhorn]

Quote[/b] (Lord Romulous @ Jan. 12 2003,01:24)]afraid not.

the only advise is do not let the crusade through your provence.

of course you need to have enough forces in that provence to kick the crusades ass but ...

crusades are a pain but done realitivly realisticly IMHO
Yeah I agree that the crusades are done realisticly... especially post-patch as the wandering crusade bug has been fixed. i.e. going to the Holy Lands from Venice via Denmark.....

Remember the 1st actually crusade (although not officially endorsed by the Pope) was by Peter the Hermit. They pillaged and looted throughout their entire journey. I think they reached Edessa where upon they got slaughtered to the last man.

After that, the Byz Emperor wouldn't let anymore Crusaders through unless they swore and oath to him. They led to a major problem when the first 'real' crusade arrived at Constantiple as most of the frankish crusaders wouldn't swear such an oath and there was battle between the crusaders and the Byz troops. Eventually they reached an agreement and were shipped across by the Byz navy (I believe).

When you compare that to MTW, it's quite realistic. i.e. you let one crusade through and it loots and pillages your lands. So will you let the next through ? No chance. Also I've noticed that crusading armies can use your navy and ports to reach their destination (simulating the Byz ferrying across crusadering armies to the Holy Lands). Example, as French a Spanish crusade went to Provence from Aragorn. Then it went from Provence directly to Palestine...despite the Spanish not having a navy. The only country who had a trade route between Provence and Palestine was me...so I can only assume that they can use my navy.